Y'all keep laughing and hoping, but that just may come back to bite you in the *ss.

mas - They were samples, not actual sale processors.

wbmw - My mistake, I was just looking at an interesting 3 socket Opteron MB and got myself confused. Thanks for pointing out my error.

spaarky - Why ludicrous? With tricore, the latencies will all be single hop to any core, which will be very desirable.

:)

cg - If you read the article, rather than the quote you replied to, you'll see it refers to Clovertown and integer intstructions, not energy instructions.

"If you look at floating point instructions, Barcelona is about 30 percent faster than Clovertown. However, if you look at integer instructions, Clovertown is about 30 percent faster than Barcelona," Dell said.

Of course, it may be they edited the clueless interviewer's text since you read it, too.

Gb - What sheer hypocrisy! Intel does it and all's well with the world, but if AMD had done it, they are to be pilloried. Amazing.

Gb - Really? What makes you think it would be any more problematic than the dual-socket MBs that only attached memory to a single CPU?

smooth - Again, they show up fine for me, both in the list and as individual posts.

wbmw - The Asus Arctic Square ain't that good of a HSF, though it may look impressive. Even at its high fan speed, it only rates 16th in Frostytech's list of reviewed K8 HSFs.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2124&page=4

But, there may still be some validity to your point.

wbmw(edit: smooth20) - mas's messages appear fine for me.

Gb - re: "In retrospect it's easy to see that their choice of integrated memory controller precluded doing a dual die approach."

Based on what? Just because they chose not to do it? There's some very weak logic there. There are numerous reasons they could've chosen not to; maybe they didn't turn out to be good ones, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it was a technical incapability.

Proesterchen - It's no worse than Centrino, which looks suspiciously like a drain fly.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Urban/images/mothfly2...

Since y'all are so enthralled with the toilet seat idea:
http://tinyurl.com/264pa7

Thank jay101 for pointing the site out here(I'm sure you'll enjoy his more):
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=23825889
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=23825894

cg - re: "They won't realize until it is too late that a home run in AMD's "T-ball" league is far different from one in
Intel's brand of hardball. "

You mean the Barry Bonds, Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe / "Black Sox" brand?

wbmw - More like the PIII 1.13GHz, but without the "issues".

ATI patches "purple pill"

24 hours from start to fix

By Charlie Demerjian: Sunday 12 August 2007, 10:40
THERE IS A VISTA exploit called Purple Pill that targets Vista through graphics drivers. It made a lot of news last week among the security and hacker communities, but how the affected companies responded is quite illuminating.

The way it works is if a vulnerability exists in a driver, since the driver has kernel level access, a moronic design decision on MS's part that we will all pay for over the next few years, attack code can load into the kernel and run rampant. Without getting too much into the joke that is Vista security window dressing, lets just say from that point on, there is pretty much nothing you can do.

The current exploit was said to be a flaw in a graphics driver, and was later revealed to be an ATI driver flaw, specifically an exploit in the installer. The interesting point is not that a graphics driver, or any kernel level driver flaw can expose a system, it is how quickly ATI reacted to it...
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41638

Elmer - OK, let me get this straight, AMD and their customers both now say there is no issue, but you still insist there is? Watch out for those black helicopters!

Elmer - Is this enough to finally shut down your silly Inquisition?
http://www.dailytech.com/False+Alarm+Defective+Radeon+Report+Completely+Untrue/article8374.htm

Maybe because Charlie, unlike the "Chicken Littles" running around here, knows it's a non-issue.

Windsock is it so hard to understand when they've stated from the beginning that the problem was an improperly applied BIOS? Now there may be a problem with the process there that AMD has some measure of fault in, but they said nothing about a BIOS patch, it was a matter of re-applying the BIOS.

Elmer - It does say "AMD's official graphics card diagnostic and validation software"

Elmer - Why should they recall them all? It's just a matter of reapplying the BIOS, not a flaw in the chip itself.

LOL! Good to see you back.

fpg - Hey there! Where've you been?

cg - re: "BTW, if a 4% frequency increase in the same process is a wall, WTF is a 33% frequency drop even with a full process
shrink? An onrushing freight train?"

A new design with issues to work out yet.

Elmer - Mothballing? Hardly.

Elmer - http://www.bsd.org/

http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=23655188
BSOD, hanging, etc.

Lack of reliability, apparently.

wbmw - Dual cores, yes, but HT? Please. LOL!

CJ - Yup. Doesn't mean they don't still need a great performing Barcelona NOW, but when all you have is "lemons", finding a way to make lemonade is always a good thing.

BUGGI - The 35W EEs were essentially unavailable. Apparently the slight nominal bump to 45W, along with the Brisbane design, will make it far more plentiful. A lot of folks are looking for something for their HTPC type machines, or just want a quieter PC; it'll do quite well for those folks.

BUGGI, wbmw - Here's why:
http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_be2350/
Final Words

It is certainly not performance that is the highlight of the BE series of CPU but in terms of power consumption and price, there is a good chance that the new low power offerings will take off. Green computing is a major buzzword nowadays, especially in the corporate environment and world of integrated systems where cutting edge computing will neither increase the type speed nor enhance the Solitaire experience. Given the fact that this market segment comprises about 90% of the total available market, the strategy might just work.

At the same time, even if the BE series consistently scored at the bottom of the charts, the CPUs are no dawgs by any means and will suffice to drive most applications at a reasonable speed. Granted that there are differences, especially in some games that are heavily relying on CPU performance to get the max out of artificial intelligence, those differences are primarily apparent at low resolutions where there is no bottleneck in the form of the graphics subsystem. Realistically, nobody wants to play at those resolutions anyway and once all the eye candy is enabled, the CPU almost becomes the least of anybody’s worries.

Overall, it appears as if AMD is on the right track with the BE series. For one, the TPI rating-based name is finally gone, second, the price is right, third, the power is right. That makes the issue of not supporting a 1T command rate almost negligible.

Elmer - Get off it already, AMD has already demo'd more than task manager.

Elmer - re: "More vapor"

Breathe deep and enjoy.:)

cg - Yup, Intel's integrity is for sale. ;P

mmoy - You may be interested in this:
Barcelona Optimization Guide
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/40546.pdf
http://www.aceshardware.com/forums/read_post.jsp?id=120080241&forumid=1

Elmer - Get off the indignation and grow up. You can disable cookies. He should disable folks being able to donate to the site to spare you the "inconvenience"?

mas - T.A. Day - when?