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RE: News That REALLY Matters.....
Here's the link....
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050901/15283.html?.v=1
Intel Donates $1 Million to American Red Cross in Support of Hurricane Katrina Disaster Relief Efforts
SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 1, 2005--Intel Corporation's philanthropic arm, the Intel Foundation, announced today that it will make a $1 million donation to the American Red Cross in support of Hurricane Katrina disaster relief efforts. The Foundation will also match dollar-for-dollar employee contributions in support of the relief effort during September.
Intel's support is not only limited to financial donations. The company is working with other companies and organizations to determine the communications infrastructure and hardware needs required for the relief efforts.
Formed in 1988, the Intel Foundation is funded solely through donations from Intel Corporation for the purpose of developing and funding educational and charitable programs. Its four-member board of directors is made up of corporate senior managers and is chaired by Intel Chairman Craig Barrett.
Gateway intros BTX-based server
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25872
Gateway said its E-9220T includes RAID 5, redundant power capabilities, and supports the Pentium 4, the D, and the EE. The chipset is Intel's E7230 chipset. The server starts at $599 and supports up to four S-ATA or SCSI hard drives, and comes with five expansion slots, three of which are PCI Express, and two of which are 32-bit PCI slots.
Intel 65 nano Pentium 643 pictured
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25868
As well as the chip pictures, there's also a CPU-Z shot, which rates it as an LGA775 chip at 65nm, and it also appears to support Vanderpool, or VT as we must now name it.
Global chip sales flat in July, says WSTS
http://www.eet.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=4CAXDKXQRWFIYQSNDBESKHA?articleID=17010246...
LONDON — Worldwide semiconductor sales in July were worth $18 billion, down 0.3 per cent from the previous month and flat on a year-on-year basis, according to figures from the World Semiconductor Trade Statistics (WSTS) organization.
On a year-to-date basis, the July figure represents a 5.8 per cent increase, down from the 6.4 per cent recorded in June.
Albatron debuts SLI-enabled Intel 945P motherboard
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20050823PR207.html
Graphics card specialist Albatron Technology recently unveiled its Intel 945P-based SLI-supporting motherboard (PX945P) for dual-core CPU and dual-graphics card solutions, with the company stating the product is scheduled to begin shipping in October.
News That REALLY Matters.....
Intel employee donations pour in for hurricane relief
With floodwaters and wind damage causing widespread suffering, hundreds of Intel employees have begun offering donations to help victims of Hurricane Katrina. The Intel Foundation has contributed $1 million, and is matching employee gifts. Intel is also exploring other ways to help those most in need.....
Apologies for the series of posts today:
Most are all addressed to Dan3, so ignore them if you are abject to his idiocies, and enjoy them if you like seeing Dan's imaginations defeated.
The second choice
It's posted on the AMD board.....
As far as how they post on that other thread, I think Rhett Butler said it best....
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
Intel August 2005 Technology Journal Now Available
http://developer.intel.com/technology/itj/
Itanium allies to pool development efforts
http://news.com.com/Itanium+allies+to+pool+development+efforts/2100-1006_3-5844877.html?tag=nefd.led...
Many companies backing Intel's Itanium processor are planning to announce a new alliance in September to try to make it easier for customers to adopt systems using the high-end chip, CNET News.com has learned.
This is an X-Scale processor, and given the above, it will dissipate less than a watt and scale to 1GHz. All on 90nm. Amazing.
There is nothing wrong.....
Oh yeah, I promised. I almost forgot
You could be sued for that as a violation of DRM! :)
Smooth
Yeah, Maybe for my "spelling abilities", no doubt
Intel hasn't even the hope of anyhing competitive for at least a YEAR !
Maybe..... Maybe not. In any case, the message that you obviously IGNORED, was, Enjoy It While You Can......
(With Apologies To The band The Monkeys)
Cheer Up Sweet Regine....
Oh What Can It Mean...
To A..... Day Dream Believer.....
And A, Home Coming Queeeeeeen....
Cheer Up Sweet Danny....
Closed Eyes Cannot See....
That A..... New Wave Is Coming.....
That you, don't want to Seeeeeeee
CHEER UP SWEET DANNY.....
LIVING IN A DREAM....
AND A, FALSE FALLCY.....
THAT YOU, REFUSE TO SEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Come On, Admit It. You Know You're Sitting There Singing It, Aren't You?
Brute force attack planned by Intel to blunt AMD's edge
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/24/idf_gelsinger_barrage/
Without doubt, the breadth of Intel's future product line does inspire. It has more than 10 dual-core efforts underway and another double-digit payload of four-core projects.
One wonders how AMD will stack up against such an onslaught. Can it still brag about better performance here and there and superior memory management? Can it point to a couple charming products while Intel dumps loads of multicore dynamos onto the market? It's hard to imagine AMD enjoying the same bravado it does today a couple of years from now.
As one top analyst whispered to us, "Looks like AMD is heading back to where it started - a little cheaper and a little faster."
Brash AMD says server chip future is two years back
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/24/amd_quiet_idf/
Ashlee Vance
Near IDF AMD showed its knack for bluster by issuing a processor challenge to Intel in newspapers yesterday, but company representatives took a more reserved tone during meetings with reporters. In fact, AMD's staffers wouldn't budge on a single new detail about the Opteron processor line in our interview session.
So while Intel, which must talk about the future because the present isn't pretty, looks forward to numerous dual-core and multicore projects and promises stunning performance per watt products, AMD wants to look two years back. It's an interesting strategy for an underdog, but not one we're sure will win a war against the world's largest chipmaker.
Given the cloak and dagger machinations we had to go through to reach AMD's meeting while at the Intel Developer Forum, we'd hoped for some more information. A leak about the company's four-core plans would have garnered more free press than AMD's ribald advertisements.....
The signal got us to AMD but not any closer to answers
manufacturing is as easy as pouring the sand into one end of the fab, turning the crank, and watching the chips pop out the other end.
Shuuuuush, don't tell anybody..... That IS how it works
Intel shows running demos of 3 new 65 nm processors -- mobile to server. Meanwhile, AMD is showing a picture of a 65 nm die of undetermined type or origin.
No No No, Haven't you heard? according to Dan, and Andy Grave, AMD is ahead of intel in Process........ ing Pictures.
Intel to standardize small-size PC platform in 2006
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050804AB065.html
Intel informed its customers that in the first quarter of 2006 its next-generation architecture for small-profile PCs will feature similar CPUs as its next-generation notebook-use processors, the dual-core Yonah, according to sources at motherboard makers. Intel intends to push its “Mobile in Desktop Platform” concept for small-profile PCs including small form factor (SFF) systems, which lack space for heat-dissipation, the sources indicated.
Thecus introduces storage appliance based on Intel XScale Technology
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050823PR200.html
Thecus Technology, a company specializing in multimedia data storage solutions and wireless metropolitan area network (WMAN) access systems, today introduced the N2100 YES Box, an IP storage unit based on Intel’s 80219 processor supporting the XScale Technology.
Semi, you should see the reaction from the AMD thread every time Fleck's colleague Jim Cramer opens his mouth.
Tenchusatsu
I do, I just have no desire to comment over there, on anything :-P
Who is "ahead"?
My take is it depends on what you are talking about... Here is my assessment:::::
As I recall, the original Topic of the discussion disagreement, was who was "ahead" in "Process Technology".
Process technology: Intel is ahead, by about a year.....
So, thank you for agreeing with me.
Meanwhile, some commentary on what's been going on in the real, as opposed to the theoretical and/or future world:
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125123.asp
Reality huh? I'm not surprised, that it appears to be reailty, to Fleck, someone who shares your rose colored AMD glasses, not to mention a heavily demonstrated Pro-AMD/Anti-intel bias in all of his writings, so I guess that I shouldn't be surprised, to find you quoting him. Here, maybe this will help you understand the REAL concepts of Bias, and Alterior Motives, a little better.....
*****
At the time of publication, Bill Fleckenstein was long Advanced Micro Devices, Dell puts and Intel puts and short Intel.
*****
Just as I suspected. Simply, the distorted ramblings of another AMD Fanboy, desperately trying to convince themselves, and anyone who will listen, that AMD is ahead.
Intel Launches Global Wireless Initiative
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nf/20050819/bs_nf/37858
Never one to think small, Intel (Nasdaq: INTC - news) is enlisting the help of major I.T. providers in launching an initiative to deliver wireless broadband connectivity to cities worldwide.
Something Completely Different?
We look into the possibility Intel plans some radical changes in its CPUs and conclude we may be seeing (a much modified) Itanium Reloaded.
http://www.overclockers.com/articles00826/
This article starts by pointing out that some of the reasons cited by Apple to switch to Intel indicate performance/power ratios far better than turning off leaky circuits. It then goes into quite a bit of detail as to how Intel has gathered together all the pieces necessary to create a VLIW processor that can translate x86 code on the fly and thus get rid of a lot of circuitry.....
It's a good piece of detective work, however, it downplays the simplest explanation as to why Intel might want to do this: In a word: Itanium. Well, to be more accurate, Son/Grandson of the current Itanium. It seems like everyone has dismissed Itanium except Intel. This may not be a good idea.....
Finally, there's one old reason that's the best reason of all for Intel: Cutting AMD Out
Put simply, AMD has the legal right to use x86. It has no right to use IA-64, or any derivation thereof which isn't x86-based. If Intel throws out a fast code-morphing Descendant of Itanium for the desktop, AMD has a BIG problem.....
When Apple announced they were switching to Intel, the timing of the switch puzzled many. The cheapy models were due to switch in 2006, but the heavy-duty items weren't supposed to go until 2007.
That didn't make sense at the time, but if something like this is in the cards for Intel, this staggered switch makes a lot of sense. Machines like the Mini Mac will get a 65nm Pentium M, while PowerMacs owners will be among the first (if not the first) kids on their block to get this x86 (MacOS X?) code-morphing chip.
Yet another reason to pay close attention to what come out of IDF.
Dell R&D center in Taiwan may double in size
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050819A6029.html
Dell plans to strengthen the R&D facilities at its Taiwan Design Center (TDC) by increasing the number of staff from 200 employees presently to 300-400 by the end of this year, according to Josephine Tan, TDC managing director. TDC works with Dell’s Taiwan partners to help shorten the “time-to-market” of products under development, and the center is putting much of its efforts on dual-core technology products, which are expected to take off next year, said Tan.
China electronic & IT makers: 29.1% suffered losses in 1H 2005
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050819AA067.html
Of the 15,156 enterprises making up the electronic and IT industrial sector in China, 4,405 or 29.1% posted losses for the first half of this year, a year-on-year increase of 3.9 percentage points (pp) from 25.2% for the first half of 2004, according to statistics recently published by the Ministry of Information Industry (MII).
Well somebody some amdddddster may get it....
You would think so, wouldn't you? Boy, this was a "difficult" analysis.....
Prescott on 90nm process = Sucks
Pentium M on THE SAME 90nm process = Fabulous
Gee, that commonality thing, must be too tough for some, I guess
Design problems :)
Stretching the WMT/NWD pipeline to 31 stages and adding
an AMD64 compatible 64 bit ISA extension all while trying
to shrink the design cycle time with unprecedented use of
EDA is a one huge problem. In hindsight it is amazing that
Prescott didn't turn into a complete fiasco.
There is (was) nothing wrong with intel's 90nm Process..... It's the design.
Sorry, I just HAD to say it one more time. No more, I promise.
You don't make any sense. They may or may not fall behind in the future, but they are currently well ahead.
The only thing AMD can get "further" is ahead.
I'm not surprised that I don't make sense to someone who has demonstrated time and time again, a willingness to twist reality to fit their own particular concept of things. The bottom line is, I have direct hands on experience, with cutting edge semiconductor manufacturing process technology, and you don't. Therefore, as far as opinion on process technology goes, I think everyone not only this board, but that other one too, is well aware of which of the two of us, more likely knows what he's talking about, and which of us has demonstrated a willingness to twist reality, and even go so far as to make stuff up, to fit their own perspective, based on what they've read.
Since it so clear to you because you "do it".......could you make it clear to me with some reasonable sort of comparison between AMD's and Intel's current 90 nm processes and both companies upcoming 65nm processes. Since you say it is so clear AMD is falling further and further behind, I would expect your comparisons to show that. Let's see.
Andy Grave
Simple. Intel is talking about funtional 65nm devices being sent out to developers, IBM/AMD is showing pictures of (cough) some sort of alleged 65nm devices. One process works, the other doesn't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, just opening my eyes.
And No, you're not fooling me, at all. I have a feeling that like me, you are also already well aware of the advantages of intel's 90nm process technology, over the Widely Reported issues that IBM/AMD have been having with their similar SOI process in Fishkill. As a matter of fact, I thought that everyone was aware of it. Guess not. If not fixed yet, never mind 65nm, ya better hope they just get 90nm fixed soon, or else they'll be in Big trouble, with intel reportedly already having funtional 65nm devices. Way to go, IBM.
Secondly, I really have no desire to dig through intel's developer pdf's in order to educate you on intel's 90nm processes, there are plenty of documents available to anyone who was truely interested in bettering themselves through education. They don't need my help to find them on the intel web site.
Of course, if on the other hand, the request was simply an attempt at displaying the type of mean spirited, sarcastic, and bitter type of posts, that some people, have historically seen fit to grace this board with, then the only thing I'm sorry about, is wasting this typing time.
obsfuscating.....
OK, fess up, who told you about my middle name.
Excuse me while I de-lurk, but I can't help but notice that Dan seems to have taken a trip back in time about 18 months when everybody was assuming that Prescott was a watt-monster because of the process, when in fact it was the design that was the problem. I thought Dothan's success would have proven that to be the case, but I should have known that AMDroids could come up with new math that would explain how 5% more transistors for EMT64 would result in a 2x-3x increase in power budget.
Welcome Mr Geek, I don't know how long you've been a Lurker, but thanks for materializing. If you were around way back when you may recall that I stated "There is nothing wrong with intel's 90nm process", so often that I think I probably made most people around here sick of hearing me say it. I 'm guessing some believed me at the time, some didn't. Nice to have a second source.
(as opposed to pie-in-the-sky dreams like Prescott, which only made it to market thanks to countless engineering diving saves that nobody here will ever know about....
Well..... I wouldn't exactly agree with saying "nobody"
WARNING: Profile Update Alert!
I just KNOW that all of ya have been just DYING to know more info about me, then my previous nearly blank profile indicated. Far be it for me to disappoint my "Fanbase"
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/profile.asp?User=14985
I don't think that picture was ever identified as coming from AMD. It might have been but it could have been IBM's too. Can you imagine... not even being able to claim a picture of a 65nm test chip is actually your's?
Hey, I know, I've been told that I take some pretty good photographs too. Maybe I can score some sort of "technology sharing agreement" with AMD, like IBM did?
Oh man, I'm so funny sometimes, I slay me.
Sure it is. Just like strained silicon solved let them get to 5ghz on 90nm.
Intel's big at promising huge gains 2 to 4 years down the road.
How about now? How about next quarter? How about 2 quarters from now? What about all those promises they made 2 years ago that were supposed to have come true by now?
You're looking at the past. I'm looking at the future. What I can't help noticing, is that your posts in the last few days, in particular, even more then "the rest" of the usual AMD cheerleader crowd, have begun to display the desperation that most likely comes from the growing realization that hoping for another intel process technology screwup, ala 90nm/prescott, is wishful thinking. Clearly, at this point in time, AMD is falling further and further behind intel in process technology, despite their desperate move to get help from IBM, or anyone else that can bail them out, and despite the pathetic attempts by "some" to paint the intel vs. AMD process technology comparisons otherwise.
Those that do it, know it. Those that don't do it, don't.
that will be the deciding factor if there is one and looks like you are set fair for the forseeable future.
No No No No No. Haven't you been paying attention to Dan? IBM/AMD, is billions of light years ahead of intel in process technology, and has already been manufacturing 65nm pictures, ummmm I mean features, for quite some time. All you need to do is go over to that other thread, and ask "Mr Process Expert", how IBM/AMD efforts are going. I'm SURE he will be be happy to Bullsh.. ummm I mean, tell you
High-k Metal Gate and Future Logic-Process Technology
Thanks for the posting. I was already aware of intel's work with High K substrates. BTW, All that article says is that those materials can/have been made. That does not mean that those materials are cost effective, or high volume manufacturable, or even if those materials will actually be implemented at all. I just posted the article, without comment, not because I wasn't aware, but because I just thought, that it would not be wise for me to post any personal speculation, on status, or implementation potential, for any of intels possible future process technologies.
It looks like things have degenerated into absurdities over on the AMD thread. They must not like all the recent news over there.
Sound worried, don't they? I guess that since the AMD expected, "Corporate Jump On The Bandwagon To Get Intel" doesn't seem to be materializing, and with AMD's need to sopena their vendors, some of the Fanboys are beginning to realize that AMD is going to have to go it alone, and may win some small battles, but lose the war. Hey, I know, maybe ole Jerry Sanders can contact Bill Gates, and ask him to come testify, and be AMD's bitch, like Jerry was for Microsoft?
I guess pissing off your vendors, and cutting off your nose to spite your face, doesn't appear to be a smart corporate strategy, after all. It even appears, that some over there, are about to burst a blood vessel over it all. Actually, I think observing it is all very entertaining. IMO, The funniest part was the claim that Otellini is going to quit
I liked the chipguy Easter Bunny/Santa Claus response the best
I would suspect new gate materials......
Yes, I'm sure that there are many things going on. I guess that I just wasn't as interested in going as far as you did, with my speculation on the details.
I will be very interested in hearing what Intel has to say about this next week!
Me too. If this report is true, then my guess would be, that there may have been some significant progress/advances made in Substrate Materials R&D.