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Common Shares Outstanding: 2,379,721,088 as of 5/1/10
Common Shares Authorized: 3 billion
I thought sure you were a BOT.
2.379 Billion shares is a joke. Wood is not a green technology.
This is a scam crap BS stock. Wood as Green Energy ? D'oh !
Common Shares Outstanding: 2,379,721,088 as of 5/1/10
Common Shares Authorized: 3 billion
http://www.laidlawenergy.com/investors.html
"And one of the greatest opportunities we have is in alternative energy and looking for ways to take what we already have, assets like pulp and paper mills and begin to transition them to create energy to lower the cost and put people to work. I think there is a great opportunity for using wood as a fuel of the future just like it was a fuel of the past [applause], and if we can provide the right incentives, if we can give people the extra help they need by tax incentives and other ways of creating new jobs, then we can begin to do this."
Hillary Clinton from the text of a recent speech in Berlin, NH
Huh ?
They're out to get poor Tara ? Who needs documentation when you have faith ? Really.
"This is exactly the type of situation where an organization like the SEC can make it appear (at least to themselves) like they are powerfull and doing something useful, and it doesn't require any intelligence or aptitude on their part. I would expect that they will take full advantage of this opportunity."
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/aljdec/2010/id401jtk.pdf
The Tara Empire looks like a cult of paranoid nuts and delusional 'true believers' who believe the financial world is out to destroy the Tara Empire - call your broker and explain to him why you want your physical certificates.
And, have a nice day while your government spends you into serfdom.
I want to see everyone "on tape" demanding physical certificates right next to Rich Biscan swearing he knows what he's doing.
MEXICO - FWIW
"Many months after we warned the investment world that a war is going on in Mexico, the Secretary of State mentions the problem. To quote an article by Paul Richter and Ken Dilanian in the Los Angeles Times about Secretary Clinton’s talk on the subject of Mexico last Wednesday: “ Clinton’s comments reflected a striking shift in the public tome of the Obama administration on the bloodshed that has cost 28,000 lives in Mexico since December 2006.” In less than four years, the Mexican drug war has seen more than six times as many deaths as U.S. Military casualties in Iraq since March 2003.
The U.S. has a huge problem and most Americans are not yet aware of the magnitude of the issue. As war for the control of Mexico is taking place on the U.S.’s southern border, the U.S. must take action to defend its territory and to stop the war and bloodshed from moving into the U.S. Currently, the drug cartels’ strategy is to buy police forces and politicians that will not prosecute the murder, kidnapping, intimidation, brutality, corruption, and drug trafficking. The problem looks to be accelerating and is going to spill over into U.S. border territories.
We believe that the major narcotics-smuggling cartels are opening a new strategy. It appears that their new strategy will be to continue their old style of functioning while expanding their influence by pretending to be revolutionaries and working to undermine the political framework of the Mexican government. We have no doubt that their ultimate goal is to gain control of the entire governmental apparatus of Mexico and to extend their power from control over numerous corrupt police forces and local politicians to control of the very highest levers of power in Mexico. Stay tuned. This will be a battle of substantial size and duration.""
http://jsmineset.com/
TT: Please don't take the name of Mamona in vain.
I'm not a basher; I'm a realist and have only ever sought to demonstrate the folly of 'the cult'. The cult can't take criticism of its practices and beliefs.
On a positive note, I think Rich thumbed his nose too long at the bosses, and they are out for payback; Rich is an ADHD jerk of a manager. But, I can't believe the SEC won't allow us dumb sucker TRGD shareholders a method to recover value from our tainted TRGD shares. I think Rich put the whole takeover thing together because he saw this coming.
The SEC probably will somehow conclude the TARM takeover is a good remedy for the idiots who held TRGD shares.
Then, you get to decide whether you want to believe in the CEO of TARM going forward.
D'oh !
Hey TJ guy :
I'm a stockholder and I got my lawyer in this stock and TARM years ago; my lawyer is expensive and since he speaks "pond scum" for a living, I've asked him how to exactly word my Email.
These "slip and fall" guys come out of the woodwork whenever something like this happens; I've seen it before. They probably have a 'search engine' trolling for NR's like this in the 'Pinksheet' stocks. Just like a 'class action suit', the lawyers get everything in the long run, and the people who backed the lawsuit, get pennies. Legitimate wealth and labor get destroyed and lawyers get a new Mercedes.
The really bad side of flaming a law firm is they expect it. What they really hate is if you appear to be smarter than them.
And, my opinion of Rich hasn't improved. Sorry. Like I said, when Bobwins smiles, I'll smile.
The "SHORTS" and "Tara hostile MMs" are boogeymen for the cult.
These are a 2 groups of "slip and fall" lawyers casting their nets. Email both firms and tell them to go have a specific kind of intercourse with each other. That's what I'm doing.
Good luck.
Well, that sounds a lot like that 'hope and changey' thing.
How's that working out for you, nuggetman ?
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Rich hasn't met ANY of his own published schedules in 5 years. We've got Dennis Kucinich for a CEO and the Tara Empire is Cleveland.
But there's always 'hope and change' ?
Just some gallows humor.
Reporting from Reynosa, Mexico — The meandering network of pipes, wells and tankers belonging to the gigantic state oil company Pemex have long been an easy target of crooks and drug traffickers who siphon off natural gas, gasoline and even crude, robbing the Mexican treasury of hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
Now the cartels have taken sabotage to a new level: They've hobbled key operations in parts of the Burgos Basin, home to Mexico's biggest natural gas fields.
Forced to defer production and curtail drilling and maintenance in a region that spreads through some of Mexico's most dangerous badlands, the world's seventh-largest oil producer has become another casualty of the drug war.
In May, gunmen wearing camouflage and tennis shoes kidnapped five Pemex workers as they rode to the front gate of the Gigante No. 1 natural gas plant in the Burgos Basin. One man was a mechanic, another specialized in pumps. All were dressed in their crisp khaki uniforms with the Pemex logo, ready for long shifts. They have not been heard from since.
The kidnappings, plus the reported disappearance of at least 30 other employees of subcontractors in the same region, have terrorized a community where jobs on the oil rigs and at the gas wells are handed down, father to son, for generations.
"The traffickers are establishing it clearly," said Sen. Graco Ramirez, a member of the congressional energy committee. "You collaborate, or you die."
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These are territories where the organized crime infrastructure, inside and outside of the police forces, has established power — a parallel power, a parallel government," Gertz said. "That territory is in the hands of a parallel power that has penetrated the government at all levels."
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2010/sep/06/world/la-fg-mexico-pemex-20100906
Somebody tell Rich.
I've had my communicationss over the past 4 years and they've been pointless; I know how to run a business; schedules matter; this is an ADHD run company.
Rich should be down in Mexico with a shovel and a bunch of pencils. And maybe some AK47s.
This is from another stockholder friend of mine about Mexican stock holdings; have a nice day :
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since pzg has a mexican exposure (and uxg, currently my biggest holding) things like the paste below catch my eye.
it's only an anecdote, but i've been feeling cocky about uxg lately and it's good to keep in mind how vulnerable miners are to this kind of stuff. and how the msm only sees it in the rear view mirror and here in xx we think walter huston still lives there.
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from instapundit.
A FRIEND EMAILS FROM MEXICO: “Shit’s about to collapse in MX and points south. It is frightening. I am seeing first hand, am traveling. Total anarchy and terror unfolding.” Well, that’s encouraging. All those counter-insurgency and nation-building skills we’ve honed in Iraq might come in handy closer to home.
UPDATE: A followup email:
The causes are complex and brewed over time… all I know is that all signs are pointing to a far worsening situation down there, and increasing impact here.
Militarizing the border isn’t a solution, but having seen what I’ve seen, I’d be terrified if we weren’t hardening that border right now.
There you go, Harry. You're being negative; this is a positive message board.
Just sell your stock, and move on down the road to some greener pastures. Nobody needs your negative questions on this board.
Everything is fine here; the faithful will be rewarded.
I don't loath the company. I question it's operation. Is that OK ?
I responded to the notion that Glencore needed TARM for it's bottom line, and not the other way around.
Is it OK if I respond to foolish posts ? Or should I just sell my stock and move on down the road ? If I invest in another company, should I ask questions of it ? or will I be told to move on down the road by the faithful who only like foolish posts ?
I haven't seen too many intelligent posts about Tara lately.
My main question has always been, why isn't the mill at capacity ? Why isn't the primary objective of Biscan to see Tara Minerals running at 100% ? WHY !!!
Even Bobwins asks that question. Except, he is polite.
And I will be selling as soon as The Tara Empire gets it's nose above water with it's financials in place; this company will continue to stumble from excuse to excuse as it has for the last 4 years. Its called a 'corporate culture' mentality.
I'm sorry I asked a painful question that you had to answer with faith in Rich Biscan, tjguy; it is a cult, you know.
I'm sorry I brought it up.
Glencore should not have to have anything to do with improving the milling process of TARM. Whatever Glencore's faith in TARM is, is beyond me, and should be beyond any business responsibility Glencore might generously extend.
Let me apologize and butt out now.
I'm sorry I brought anything up. I'm sure everything will be fine.
<Still not sure how much of an impact we can have on Glencore's bottom line at this point, but I'm sure we can contribute.>
TARM is a pimple on Glencore's pet knat's ass.
You can't be serious. TARM is lucky to have Glencore's interest.
Does it have a truck ?
Would it like to buy one ?
This is a cult.
I don't think Rich is dishonest; he has a skill and it is more on the line of Jerry McGuire or PT Barnums. In terms of being a manager, he couldn't run a 7/11.
I've never claimed to own Adit stock. If I was Wheatley and was a middlesized fish in a big pond (Yamana) at his age, I'd go for the 'blue sky' venture too. I wish him and Adit well.
Any PR that comes out of 'The Empire' comes from PT Barnum himself. I get frustrated when I read posts from apparent grownup investors that continue to sound "cult like". Rich ought to grab a shovel and head to Sonora for a reality check; we need earnings.
Here's some stuff from mid 2006 - 2008 along with the link. You sound like 'Deja Vu' all over again. 'The Empire' needs to perform to get stock value; not endless promotion.
http://67.159.223.231/php/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=73574&sid=5f94d92205981c32f6e36d2cce432661
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Mr. Francis Biscan Jr., President of Tara Gold Resources, stated, "Tara Gold's growth is accelerating at the same time Gold and Silver are making new highs. Cash flow from production is expected to increase substantially as Picacho and Lluvia de Oro are scheduled to see production startups in the first half of 2008.
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Picacho, Sonora, Mexico
Gold and Silver Mine - plan to aggressively explore and produce in 2008
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Tara Minerals has filed an SB2 towards obtaining a public listing in 2008. It has also begun installing equipment at the Don Ramon and Lourdes project towards production start-up by Q2 2008. Cash flow from production will be used to start aggressive exploration programs in an effort to establish NI 43-101 compliant resources.
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On Tara Minerals, (lead, zinc, silver) the Mill is nearing completion as we speak. The equipment has been purchased and we anticipate producing by 3/31/08. We are operating the Mill ourselves and anticipate $.700M per month coming from Tara Minerals.
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Further, a PR campaign is beginning 1/1/08 to tell our story ... and what a story it is!
As I've said before, I'm very comfortable with my investment in Management and the outlook for Tara ... you should be too!
I wouldn't want to be short at this point in time.
How long have you owned a piece of the Tara Empire, pilgrim ?
Some folks around here have got 4-5 years in it, and have heard all they want to hear of what a great story 'The Empire' is.
Watch and learn; after 6 months of production out of DR, maybe the stocks will be taken seriously. (BTW, the Picacho Mine has been sold and bought since the 1890's.)
The reserves 'The Empire' claims on all it's properties couldn't get institutional money to invest in it. 'The Empires' real business plan, after it built its mill, is to 'drift' the properties it has the rights to. That's not the normal reason for building a mill; normally, reserves are "proven" before money will be invested in a mill.
All of 'The Empires' reserves are 'inferred'; not 'indicated', not 'measured', not probable, not 'proven':
http://www.cim.org/committees/cimdefstds_dec11_05.pdf
You need to show some respect around here, pilgrim.
There has been more promotion of TRGD in Germany over 5 years, with 2 different business models, that I'm surprised 'mein volk' still pay attention. If 'The Empire' paid more attention to running a business and less to promoting itself, we might have a better stock value by now.
Rich needs to hire a CEO or COO and get out of the way.
The new CEO/COO needs to hire a Yank like George Patton to run Don Ramon. Rich needs to play on E-rides in his Disneyland and stop promoting crap until George Patton gives him something to promote.
Rich is Mr. Bean in spades.
I don't trust anything promotional the new IR says. What a bunch of crap.
It's supposed to haul Tara's ore somewhere to ship to a buyer. Contracted Mexican trucks get lost and show up empty at the wrong port with Alfonso Bedoya behind the wheel.
They bought a truck.
The Tara Empire has bought a truck, so maybe it can disguise itself as a successful Mexican trucking company by buying more trucks. You can't ship bullion without trucks, so maybe bullion will follow; lead, zinc and silver bullion.
Or, maybe not; but we'll have the trucks if anything in Mexico needs to be shipped. It could be the the beginning of a Tara Empire Transportation/Mining Conglomerate in Mexico.
An agile business mind like Rich Biscan's would see this as a possibility.
Investors should not hold Mr. Biscan to any rigid plan for the Tara Empire; clearly, he is a man of great vision, and has demonstrated that for the last 4 years (while not concerning himself with the petty gains of the stock value).
Why limit a great visionary to the limited scope of turning a profit by building a mill in the middle of nowhere, drifting undefined veins, and not having trucks to ship the goods to bankable buyers (where is Glencore these days).
Mr. Biscan needs to buy a shipping port in Mexico for a vertical integration of his plan. This may take time.
Patience everyone. There is probably a 'grand scheme' you have not been able to understand. TRGD being in the 'grey market' may be a disguised tactic.
Wait for the a huge breakout.
LOL.
DO YOUR OWN DD AND BE CAREFUL OF ALL POSTERS!!!
Yep. Definitely.
Loonie:
Maoners didn't imply Mexico was responsible for anything but a near failed state; I don't care what the reason. America had a demand for alcohol during prohibition, but when turf wars broke out and innocent folks died, even the gangsters knew that was bad for business. Americans didn't put up with it. The Mexican state is powerless.
And Mexico has always been a cash economy - it's the way to get things done down there. Rich should spread some cash around Choix to find out who the local 'jefe de jefes' is, and things will run much smoother. It's kind of like building a tunnel in Boston, but a lot cheaper.
I can only guess the problems TARM has operating in Mexico. Why do you think we aren't shipping ? Think of all the logistics and what a little 'goodwill' would do up and down the channels of operations.
Big piles of stuff ?
I guess having big piles of stuff getting bigger is better than no piles of stuff.
With a big roll of $100 bills, I reckon I could go down there and put some deals together. Hey folks, it's Mexico.
Money talks; you've got to know who you're dealing with. Even the Mexican arm of Glencore would move faster if a few thousand Yankee dollars got passed around to a few key people who really ran things.
We're a bunch of pilgrims in a CIA defined "near failed state" depending on contract law and honest businesses ?
It's MEXICO !!!
GLTA.
Well, where is the revenue stream ?
Where's the updated spread sheet showing EPS and 2010 projected income ? They were all over here a few months ago ?
We'd be better off with a factory supplying lead weights and galvanic corrosion zincs for Mexico's fishermen. The silver could be used for decorations sold at the local markets. This sucks.
I don't want to play with the 'piles' metaphor, but that's what Tara has: piles of stuff.
Where's Glencore ? Where are the trucks and the ships ? Where is the market ?
I ask business questions and now I'll get bashed. Stupid frigging bashers.
"Tara Minerals believes that it is making steady progress towards consistent quality production of marketable concentrates and that both cash on hand and revenue from mining activities will satisfy its working capital needs for 2010."
It looks like they are making steady progress toward creating the biggest piles of zinc, lead, and silver in all of Mexico.
Is there some 'working capital' cash prize for the height of those piles ?
You ought to talk to mudpuppy on the Yahoo board. He thinks there is a conspiracy by 'paid bashers', to trash this stock. Not only that, but that 'the shorts' commanded the SEC to suspend trading on TRGD. And you must know the power of 'the shorts'.
I know a guy who's a 'paid basher' and he makes good money asking difficult questions on stock boards. He used to be a lawyer but found asking questions about stocks was more lucrative than being in a courtroom where absolutely everyone lies.
He doesn't consider himself a 'paid basher'; he thinks of himself as more of a 'for hire' gadfly.
He also acts as an ombudsman when 'the shorts' need to be placated. He'll talk to the CEO and look for concessions so that 'the shorts' will back off. He may have caused the appointment of this new CFO. Maybe 'the shorts' will be appeased by this 'paid basher' paladin.
You know, the poring of oil on the waters of disillusioned stockholders whom you think have no rights to their opinions.
So, what are the revenues these days, Mr. curious ? I believe FORE and I want to know.
Yep. Shorts and bashers.
You ought to talk to mudpuppy on the Yahoo board. He's on top of the conspiracy to destroy this stock by the paid bashers and the naked shorts who are just waiting to cover after the stock is traded on the grey market, which is really a black market.
You both can see past the Matrix. BTW: Are you Oliver Stone ?
SEC had their porn taken away. Nothing else to do now but 'cold cases'.
http://www.upi.com/Daily-Briefing/2010/04/23/SEC-porn/UPI-61591272027395/
WASHINGTON, April 23 (UPI) -- High-ranking workers at the Securities and Exchange Commission allegedly spent hours at work surfing Internet sites for pornography.
"Here come the bashers and the shorts."
A suspended stock can't be shorted. And what good does bashing it do ? It's already suspended.
Printout the arguments disillusioned posters have made, take them to your room and study them.
Rich has run TRGD like a personal empire with no institutional accountability to the stockholders.
Do you feel obligated to pay your taxes on time ? What happens if you don't ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming
I won't be surprised if TRGD can't be sorted out and we'll all eventually end up being TARM shareholders, somehow, someday.
So much for todays liquidity, if you needed it. Wouldn't you like to have known ?
One more scenario to consider from the article is this:
"Glencore is eager to secure its sources of metal, coal and oil by buying commodity producers -- and it is issuing debt to do so."
That could be good or bad for TRGD, depending on if you were a Glencore shark lawyer and looking for opportunities: in weaknesses or strengths.
The article is from mid 2007 so opinion updates are welcome.
It was a FWIW. Glencore is a privately held company and operates like one; unfortunately, TRGD has been operated like it's one too.
"Moody's Investors Service and Standard & Poor's both give Glencore bonds and bank loans their lowest investment-grade rating."
Maybe it will all be OK. I hope so.
Glencore and Marc Rich
Glencore International AG (management buy out of Marc Rich & Co AG) is a Swiss-based company, which is one of the world's largest suppliers of commodities and raw materials, and is also among the world's largest privately held companies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencore
Controversial involvements
According to an Australian Public Radio report, "Glencore's history reads like a spy novel".[3] The company was founded as Marc Rich & Co. AG in 1974 by billionaire commodity traderMarc Rich, who was charged with tax evasion and illegal business dealings with Iran in the U.S., but pardoned by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[4] In 1993 and 1994, Rich sold all of his majority share in Marc Rich & Co. AG back to the company.[5] The enterprise, renamed Glencore, is now owned and run by his inner-circle of associates, including former Glencore CEO Willy Strothotte and present CEO Ivan Glasenberg.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a61f8N1S5cIs&refer=home
Ivan Glasenberg, a coal trader under Rich who has been chief executive officer of Glencore since 2002, gave his last published interview -- to an industry publication called Metal Bulletin -- in 2003. He refused to allow any of his employees to be interviewed for this article and denied access to his trading floors and industrial plants.
Close to the Vest
``Glencore is a company that plays its cards close to its chest,'' says Jonathan Pitkanen, an analyst at Aviva Plc's Morley Fund Management Ltd. unit in London, which oversees 55 billion pounds in fixed-income assets, including Glencore debt. ``The fact that they don't give out that much information is a negative.''
The veil, however, is now lifting because Glencore is eager to secure its sources of metal, coal and oil by buying commodity producers -- and it is issuing debt to do so. Glencore has raised $6.5 billion in the bond markets since 1996, when it first sold debt, forcing it to disclose financial details to investors and rating companies.
Moody's Investors Service and Standard & Poor's both give Glencore bonds and bank loans their lowest investment-grade rating, citing the risks it takes in Russia, the company's continuing penchant for secrecy and the allocation of most of its earnings to a company profit-sharing plan that is a drain on cash flow.
Gotgold:
It's hard to know who we are talking to on these boards; I've got 3 years of complaining about Rich. Bobwins has been more polite over those years with similar complaints, and I won't speak for him.
I don't think Rich is dishonest; but I do believe the Tara Empire's cheerleaders are a cult with reactionary instincts to defend 'the man' who runs the Empire.
Rich needs to get slapped around hard by the SEC because he's a renegade CEO operating like a Texas horse trader; so I agree with you about the HALT. TRGD needs transparency.
Meanwhile, I hold a lot of shares and hope this will play out favorably. Again, I don't think Rich is dishonest; he needs to meet his obligations to all TRGD shareholders, even it's fanatical cult.
I don't doubt anything Rich Biscan has reported to any stockholder; I don't think he lies, I don't think he doesn't believe what he says.
I know Rich believes he will have financials in May. I have it on 2 confirmed fronts that he believes that.
Bobwins has posted on this board that Rich stated TRGD financials would be done in 2005. He is the moderator of this board; check with him.
I really don't care what Rich Biscan says: he has little to no credibility when it comes to meeting schedules or responsibilities. Do you think he pays his taxes on time ? That's an obligation, but so is a company's fiduciary duty to it's shareholders.
Who cares whether Rich was warned by the SEC. Does the IRS warn you ? He has a fiduciary duty to keep the financials current to the shareholders of TRGD. Just like he does to the IRS.
As to Mudpuppy, if you listen to anything he says, you are immersed in the cult of Tara. He doesn't even know what time dimension he's in.
And to close, I can't sell TRGD at these prices; the SEC won't let me.
You wouldn't know a well run business if it was a horse *ss and it sh*t on your foot.
From the Tara Empire Cult's Talking Points Minister of Crap:
"I think mudpuppy on another board may be near the truth in his extensive analysis of manipulation."
Full Disclosure: I am a paid basher, a SHORT, an MM, and an enemy of this stock; Rich Biscan cannot be held responsible for my hard nosed tactics in attempting to destroy the Tara Empire by informing my friends in the SEC of a mere paperwork problem.
BTW: You're an idiot.
The SEC has some nerve. Don't they know Biscan intends to file some day when he gets around to it ? Hurumph.