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that's 403.3 tons of gold, an eighth of the IMF's holdings.
the money will be put into an interest-generating account to pay budget deficits in comming years
IMF might be about to sell more than $11billion in gold
Well Spell, is that it on the gloom+doomers's run on the price of gold? You were yelling buy over $900, did you buy?
No Lamb pay dirt..... after how many years and how much of our $$$$?
What's your guess?
TGIF Mule, TGIF:)
BS Spelly, you think Hallibuton is getting 100% of the oil.
Sadr knows he can't win with guns. He tried a number of times and has failed EVERY time. If he wants to fight, his men will keep getting killed, in large numbers by Iraqi backed by US and UK forces.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041603115.html?nav=rss_world
Those that want the US to abandon Iraq hate that Maliki has convinced Kurds, Sunnis, and other Shi’ites of his commitment to democracy and central government control over all Iraq.
Iraq’s main Sunni Muslim political bloc has agreed in principle to return to the Shiite-led government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki nearly nine months after quitting the Cabinet, lawmakers from the group said Thursday.
Salim Abdullah, a lawmaker and chief spokesman for the Sunni Accordance Front, said that after “positive negotiations” with al-Maliki’s government, a deal in principle was reached under which the Front would hold five Cabinet posts, in addition to a deputy prime minister position.
More good news??? Sounds too good to be true. Check out the story on>PBR (the stock, not the beer) PPS seems to be building a base, let's hope results are good.
Ethanol sales in Brazil outpace gasoline.
If they can do it, so can we.
The Indian's corn can save the day.
GOOD NEWS, void of pessimistic adjectives and doomsday scenarios. Gas prices, tax credits and other incentives have helped spur record growth in the use of renewable energy.
This will help solve the many oil problems.
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WASHINGTON, April 17 /PRNewswire/ -- After months of intense effort to secure renewal of tax credits and other incentives which have helped spur record growth in the use of renewable energy, solar and wind power companies were rewarded when the U.S. Senate passed The Clean Energy Tax Stimulus Act of 2008 with strong bi-partisan support in an 88 to 8 vote.
The legislation was co-authored by Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and John Ensign (R-NV).
"Satisfying our energy needs and reducing our reliance on foreign sources is a challenge that we must meet, but that can only happen with the right incentives in place," Sen. Ensign said.
Spell, why China and not Cheney's buds??? I know, I know, we are doomed, war, pestilence, etc, etc.
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/08/Worldandnation/Cuba_seeks_oil_near_K.shtml
Cuba seeks oil near Keys
Sen. Bill Nelson wants to block exploration and drilling less than 50 miles from Key West that would benefit China.
By SUSAN TAYLOR MARTIN
Published May 8, 2006
Few Americans paid much attention last year when Cuban President Fidel Castro announced China would help explore potentially large oil reserves off Cuba's northwest coast - not far from the Florida Keys.
But now - with gas prices climbing above $3 a gallon - the prospect of China drilling near the United States has become a hot political issue as two of the world's largest economies vie for new sources of energy.
Some members of Congress warn that China and other countries could lock up oil supplies at a time when U.S. companies are barred from doing business with Cuba because of a 43-year-old trade embargo.
"We sit here watching China exploit a valuable energy resource within eyesight of the U.S. coast,'' said. Sen. Larry Craig, an Idaho Republican.
"I think the American public would be shocked - as this country is trying to reduce dependence on Middle East oil - that countries like China are realizing this energy resource.''
But Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, worried that a Cuban oil spill could hurt the state's environment and $50-billion tourism industry, wants to block drilling in Cuba's northern waters.
"Any oil spill 45 miles from Key West is going to absolutely devastate all those delicate coral reefs, the fragile Florida Keys, and would endanger pristine beaches all the way up to Fort Pierce,'' said Nelson, a Democrat.
Cuba pumps about 80,000 barrels of oil a day in Havana and Matanzas provinces, but it is of poor quality and meets less than half of the country's needs.
Thus there has been considerable excitement about fields off the northwest Cuban coast that could contain 4.5-billion to 9-billion barrels of oil - almost as much as in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.
In February 2005, Castro announced that huge Chinese drilling rigs would be used to further explore areas in which a Spanish company had reported promising results. The Cuban government also signed a contract with China's oil and gas company, Sinopec, to work in areas around the island thought to contain oil deposits.
"There's been very little drilling offshore and there's uncertainty over how much oil there is,'' said Chris Schenk of the U.S. Geological Survey. "There's less than in the Gulf of Mexico, but from a Cuban perspective, it would be a lot.''
The offshore fields are also reported to have a higher quality oil than found onshore, making it easier to produce, Schenk said.
While oil has yet to be found in commercially viable quantities, Craig of Idaho told his Senate colleagues April 26 that the United States is jeopardizing its energy security by not letting U.S. oil companies explore potential sources in Cuba.
China, already the world's second-largest energy consumer, ''is using this area off our coast as a strategic commodities reserve,'' Craig said. The result could be "forever closing the door on those resources to the U.S. industry and drastically impacting our foreign policy in the region.''
Nelson fired back two days later with a bill that would bar the Bush administration from renewing a 1977 agreement with Cuba unless it agrees not to drill near the Florida Keys.
Under the agreement, which lets the two countries share control of the 90 miles of sea between the Keys and the island nation, Cuba claims the water 45 miles off its coast. That means it could drill within 20 miles of a U.S. marine sanctuary near the Keys.
To discourage foreign companies from drilling anywhere off Cuba's northern coast, Nelson's bill would keep company executives from entering the United States by authorizing the State Department to deny or revoke visas.
"These are multinational corporations that do business all over the world and that would start to bite them,'' Nelson said.
He and Florida's other senator, Republican Mel Martinez, have worked closely together to block oil and gas exploration within 150 miles of Florida's south coast. However, Martinez has not signed on to his colleague's newest bill.
Though worried about possible oil spills, Martinez is concerned that Nelson's approach "could present problems with the entire Cuban embargo,'' said his press secretary, Ken Lundberg. "There's no question there are some who might use this (oil issue) as leverage to reopen the entire situation.''
The 1963 embargo was designed to punish Castro's communist government and is strongly supported by many Cuban-Americans, who make up a key voting bloc in Florida.
Critics - including Midwest and Western lawmakers who represent agribusiness interests - say the embargo's main effect has been to hurt ordinary Cubans and to keep U.S. companies out of the potentially lucrative Cuban market.
"I think what Craig wants to do is break the embargo and have all his farmers send their crops to Cuba,'' Nelson said of the Idaho senator.
While continuing to push his own bill, Nelson said he also endorses legislation filed Thursday by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., that would impose sanctions on any person or company investing $1-million or more in Cuba's oil industry.
One expert on Cuban-American issues says it's not surprising that some members of Congress would seize on soaring gas prices and the U.S.-Chinese competition for oil as a reason to relax the Cuban embargo.
"In my research, I said we'd always be tough on Cuba because it never cost us anything and in truth it hasn't to this point,'' said Jonathan Benjamin Alvarado, a political scientist at the University of Nebraska. "But it may cost us now that energy has become the big issue.''
U.S. oil company executives make it clear in private conversations that they would like to do business in Cuba because of the newly discovered fields and unused refining capacity, Alvarado said. Cuba started building a refinery years ago but never finished it because the money ran out.
"I don't think Cuba is going to solve our energy problems, but there are a lot of other types of associated activities that would be useful and help diversify our refining capacity,'' Alvarado said. "If Hurricane Rita had hit Houston, we'd be paying $5 a gallon because it would have completely knocked out our ability to refine petroleum.''
Though he doesn't advocate normalizing relations with Cuba, Alvarado said cooperation on energy matters "only makes sense because we're going to continue to face an energy crisis.''
Other experts, however, say there are valid concerns about drilling along Cuba's western and northern coasts because oil spills could be carried along by strong ocean currents.
"There is a likelihood that anything you would put in the water in that location would indeed flow around the east coast of Florida and up,'' said Robert Weisberg, a University of South Florida marine science professor. "All the rafters that come and visit us know that.''
Apart from environmental concerns, Nelson argues that there isn't enough oil in either Cuban or U.S. gulf waters to long satisfy Americans' voracious appetite for oil.
The United States, which consumes 25 percent of the world's oil yet has just 3 percent of its reserves, would be better served by immediately developing alternate energy sources like ethanol, made from corn or sugar cane, Nelson said.
"The oil industry wants to drill, drill, drill, but you can't solve the problem by drilling more.''
Susan Taylor Martin can be contacted at susan@sptimes.com.
Hi my friend, cheers!
I need to split, talk to you soon.
hog wash, plenty of oil here in the good ol' USA but noooooooo we might spill some. Our use of cars is not a dumb conspiracey for war.
My car only runs on gas. Most drivers can get 2X the MPG what they get now. This war is not>>>JUST<<<<over oil, or >>JUST<<< to drum up big military spending.
Well Spell, I guess we can call off all wars over water here in the US.
Make the time> right? For what you love most:)
TGIF>HAPPY HOUR WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO.
Hi all, thinking about you>have a great weekend.
Spelly, thanks for your time. Your post to me deserves more time than I have now...I will get back to you. Glad you are back safe:)
And W didn't get his goons to lock you up in a secret prison.
it's easy to plant seeds and grow a garden. I see plenty of food at ALL the stores..I see no shortage of food from all around the world here. So what's all this bunk that we can't grow more than we can eat. It's the price of the food, not if we will have it. If you have a need and you can make money filling that need, why not? You tell me. So we have a food crisis? Why not have faith that food will always be on Wall Mart's shelves? I don't shop for food at Wal-mart, I don't give a hoot. Worry about a food crisis is Spells job.
Spin, spins, spin>was apparently, thus indicating, almost certainly knew, appears to have been, allegedly connected, may have been a signal>>>bunk
BUNK! Hey Spelly's back. Fallon's resignation was after many great years of hard work, he didn't fall. That's just the spin from the bunk mill. Also the> now "all options" are back on the table< is a twist to make it look like we want to go to war. "All options" was never off the table.
Round 3 of UN sanctions is an option. Round 1 and 2 didn't get it. Are you OK with Iran getting a bomb? No matter, sorry to say...those Iran wants to blow up will not let them. Iran can come clean with the UN or push on and eliminate options till it is too late.
Spelly, nobody wants war with Iran but Iran, no kidding! War with Iran is way down the list of US options! It is, in fact, an option we want to try and avoid. They want it Spelly, not us, so hold the bunk.
Suggestions that Fallon's departure signaled that the US planned to go to war with Iran is "ridiculous".
If the US "planned to go to war" all options would not be on the table, would it? Nope, only in bunk spin it is. Spin, to project hardwork done by great Americans, as bad.
It is bad, it's hard work against the real bad people....that need to be delt with. You can't just blow it off as this or that they need to be stopped...all around the world.
Sad but true...blame it all on what you want and see if that helps one bit to keep you safe from things other than George Bush.
By now most people are aware that the founder of The Weather Channel, John Coleman, said global warming is "the greatest scam in history" last November.
On Monday, while speaking at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change being held in New York City, Coleman took his criticisms further by advocating that all those involved in the sale and marketing of carbon credits, including Al Gore, should be sued "to finally put some light on the fraud of global warming.”
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu5u.G9BHaG4AyaBXNyoA?p=Weather+Channel+Founder+sues+Al+Gore&y=Search&fr=&ei=UTF-8
Gloom and doomers, don't be dimayed, this might be a cool way to end life on earth. How is Al Gore going to save the world now!!!
What do we do with all of Al's credits???
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Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.<<<
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289
Who votes:Let Iran have a bomb? ...or> I trust Iran only wants nukes to generate electricity. Let's save money, and not worry...or better yet, find a way to blame the US!
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=14409
You didn't grill Lamb?
Yet, I hope!
Get to it!
Report back please.
What's the trick to your wing sauce?
Defense Secretary Gates in India>>WASHINGTON, Feb. 27, 2008 – Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates wrapped up a two-day visit here today after talks with top officials that targeted the continued development of a long-term relationship with India.
“We’re not looking for quick results or big leaps forward, but rather a steady expansion of this relationship that leaves everybody comfortable,” Gates said during a roundtable with reporters this morning.
During the visit, Gates’ first to India, the secretary met with the country’s ministers of defense and external affairs, its prime minister and members of parliament with hopes of strengthening bilateral defense and security relationships that have become increasingly stronger in the past few years.
Gates said that his discussions with India’s leaders were positive and likeminded.
“I encountered only enthusiasm in all of the leaders here I talked to,” he said. “I think ... they see it as we do -- a long term enterprise by two sovereign states. We are mindful of India’s long tradition of non-alignment and are respectful of that, but I think there are a lot of opportunities to expand on this relationship, and I think that was the feeling on the part of the Indian leaders that I met with, as well.”
Gates talked with Indian leaders about the country’s expansive military modernization program under way. India has several billion-dollar deals in the works, and Gates said he would like to see defense trade expand between the two countries.
The secretary said he was pleased with India’s January $1 billion purchase of six C-130J Hercules aircraft from Lockheed Martin, a U.S. defense contractor. He also told Indian officials the United States is eager to bid on 126 multi-role combat aircraft for the country’s air force. The deal, estimated at about $10 billion, would be the world’s largest single external defense procurement in history, DoD officials believe.
“I indicated that we obviously are interested and believe we are very competitive in the selection of the new fighter, … and we ask no special treatment,” Gates said. “We simply are pleased to have a place at the table, and we believe that in a fair competition that we have a very good case to make.
“One of the virtues of the C-130 sale is that it gives us an opportunity to demonstrate not only the quality of our equipment, but the quality of the service and maintenance and follow-on activities that go with these sales. So we’re very encouraged, (but) we’re at the beginning of this process,” Gates said.
While the secretary did not discuss any new joint exercises between the two country’s militaries, he did discuss details of a logistics agreement that would allow expansion of their military-to-military relationship. The agreement is largely administrative in nature, detailing how the countries reimburse each other for expenses, such as fuel, during training.
Gates said he also talked with Indian officials about the so-called 123 Agreement, which would bring into effect the U.S-India civilian nuclear deal that would allow the U.S. to send nuclear fuel and technology to India.
Gates said the deal is important and that time is running out to get it before the U.S. Congress. The Indian government is in negotiations with the International Atomic Energy Agency, a key step in completing the agreement.
“The clock is ticking in terms of how much time is available to get all the different aspects of this agreement implemented,” Gates said. “The real key is providing time for … our Senate to ratify the final arrangements. And with this being an election year, there is an open question about how long the senate will be in session beyond this summer.”
Gates said he thinks the agreement serves the best interests of both countries and that it “has positive global consequences, as well.”
When questioned about the U.S.’s overall intentions in Asia at a time when China is also strengthening its ties in the region, the secretary said that the U.S. relationship with India is not influenced by India’s neighbor on the eastern border.
“I don’t see our improving military relationships in the region in the context of any other country, including China,” Gates said. “These expanding relationships don’t necessarily have to be directed to anybody. They are a set of bilateral relationships that are aimed at improving our coordination and the closeness of our relationships for a variety of reasons, including those that I’ve just indicated.”
Gates complimented India’s efforts in Afghanistan. He said that India spends about $800 million in economic and civic reconstruction efforts there. The subject of increasing India’s contribution there did not come up in the meetings, Gates said.
Gates said he also talked briefly about missile defense. He said talks on the subject are in their “very early stage” and that they focused on conducting a joint analysis of what India’s missile defense needs are and how the United States could cooperate.
So much for global warming http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
A twelve-month long drop in world temperatures erases global warming
Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
Meteorologist Anthony Watts compiled the results of all the sources. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to erase nearly all the global warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year time. For all sources, it's the single fastest temperature change every recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.
In the North we have great big husky men, real men. The women in the north are real men tooo. We all look alike..lol.
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Hard ass way to make do;)
Mary can do it;)<have a good one Mary. What's the first thing you see in the spring to know Winter is over? The street? Your mailbox?
I'm big husky and bearded, matie! But I'm going to the beach.... I'm done for the day!
Will miss happy hour_here, have fun! Love ya!
Cheers Bibiche! +Mary+Chevy+Spell.
Congratulations Spelly, on your new(to me) BWNR position!
Ask the Native Americans. HEY MARY> fyi it's TGIF:)
Coffee cheers>Have a great Friday all+++++++++++++++++++
I take that back>>
the next U.S. brigade combat team will redeploy out of Iraq next month. It will be the second of the five brigades that will come out without replacement. After that a brigade will leave about every six weeks through July. At the end there will be 15 U.S. brigade combat teams or their equivalents in the country.
But the brigade combat teams were not the only U.S. forces to be part of the surge. Combat service and combat service support units accompanied them. When those units will redeploy is part of the on-going assessment in Iraq now, Ham said. When those forces come out of Iraq will be part of the recommendations from Multinational Forces Iraq, U.S. Central Command and the Joint Chiefs of Staff in April.
Before the surge, there were about 132,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. The number of U.S. forces in Iraq after the last brigade leaves in July will likely be a bit larger than that.
“The important thing to remember is that everybody, from the president on down, has always said that the force posture will be based on conditions on the ground,” said Sattler and Army Lt. Gen. Carter Ham, the Joint Staff director of operations. “And those are, as you're well aware, ever changing.”
The needs of the Iraqis also must be taken into account, Sattler said. The coalition began building the Iraqi military combat forces first.
“We always knew we would provide the enablers as we grow their logistics capacity and capability, their artillery, all the other supporting arms and combat support elements,” Sattler said. Even as Iraqis grow up toward 600,000 for a total security force, the coaltion still will be required to provide support for some time, he said.
Only in America the FAT: where people worry about being over weight, pay big in related health care, Goldman Sachs plays the commodities and makes big bucks, and people still starve.
What the?
It's easy to grow food. Cost is low, if you know how. It's the best you can put in your body to not be fat or skinny.
Most don't care:(
Go gardeners!
V for veggies;)
BS Spelly, is riven OK by you? The Iraqi want the violence to stop for the Iraqi, not to put a feather in Washington's cap. The bombers killing Iraqi are very effectively hunted down and taken out by troops from around the world with tips from CLCs. Again, not to put a feather in Washington's cap.
Get real Spelly, terror and not just in Iraq is a big problem the world faces and you can't just blow it off as a made up Washington plot.
The surge worked and numbers of troops are now back to pre-surge levels. If they need to go back up, they will. We should all be on the same page, get combat troops out ASAP!!
Train and assist as needed.
To get out now and let the hard earned progress turn to_________(<you fill in the blank)will only help the terrorist wanting to take over with force and terror acts.
Terror acts on the Iraqi, the Iraqi want it to stop, and Libs want the US to not help.
Hey Spelly hope your Valentine's Day was free of virus-laced e-cards! Happy hour soon, let's all oingo boingo, if you know how.
TGIF Mary, no kidding!
Cheers Bibiche>like it's 1999, OK?
Same to you Spelly and Chevy>like it's 1999;)
Wish you were here>Dinner at 6:30>>>big time>>>to die for>>hot wings..
reverie bliss;)
~burp~
love ya
Max
>>>---Happy Valentine's Day---->
We made it>XOXOXOXOXO all;) MIGHT BE OUR LAST!
Get your~burp~fill+++++++NOW!
Got'ta love it!
OXOXOXOXOXOX
Give me more:)
Cheers Bibiche, enjoy before the world ends;)
Black holes give me a headache, I try and stay away.
Make plans>eat it up>>love week> 14th Thur>>>:)
Great>do it< week all!
Max
Just one? How about me? It's your turn~burp~to buy!
When's Jane due back?
Why'd she take that job, she's never home.
You can Expect $15 a Gallon Gasoline, a Financial Collapse and Mass Poltical Chaos Within Two Years<<<<<oh my, is that all?
Till then, better live it up!
Have a great day SpellZ, thanks for your time.
TGIF Mary, no kidding;)
You too Bibiche<Coffee cheers_here> to friends
btw> i think your Wall Street Expert's full of BS, way off. No way gas can get that high, $3 is breaking our backs.
Mary, how about late night here? I think 4-5 is too early on a Fri on this side. Most people are still at work on the West coast.
What time is it happy hour in the Great White North, Mary??
Take good care!:)zzzzzzzzzz
Max
Thanks for the times, only one hour. Most bars it's 2-3 hours. OOps on that TGIF>so sorry....if it helps I bummed myself out with that it:)
Take care, over and out>>>>>
hello Max, I am just grand.<<<
Just? as in nothing new:)
Good to see you, Mary.
OOpsZ, it's not Friday:(
Oh well, I guess I'll need to take that TGIF back:)
Hey Mary, tell us again, when is Happy Hour here.
Hi Mary, how you doing;) Great I hope++++++++++++++2U
Cheers>TGIF all!
Because we're foolishly trying to save big oil when it doesn't deserve to be saved< That is not why we are fighting in Iraq.
Those we are fighting don't give a flip about the Iraqi's oil. If so, why does a suicide bomber blow up Iraqi? So the US stays and takes their oil? Get real.
Now that we got your>>>Ok, al-Qaeda hates us.
How will a surrender to al-Qaeda in Iraq help? Kill US oil, is that the plan? Gas at $6.
If you wan't to see some bad times to post about:
Let al-Qaeda have Iraq's oil to fund their dirty deeds and let Iran have a bomb. <<<My guess is you are ho hum on Iran too...
I know, I know that IS part of impoverished big oil's master plan;)
Again I'm not mad at you Spell, I just think it's nuts and unpatriotic to blow off the push by radical Islam....with all their mass murders, AROUND THE WORLD....as some US insider plot to profit on oil and war. Our Brave troops are better than that, you play them as fools in some twisted plot and refuse to see what they do> help the Iraqi.... hunt down those doing the cold blooded killing....train their police and army...provide protection till they can!! And they are, more and more!...The death rate is dropping, is it not? Iraqi are moving back, are they not?
What good will come from giving up after all the hard work?
Because we're foolishly trying to save big oil when it doesn't deserve to be saved< That is not why we are fighting in Iraq.
Those we are fighting don't give a flip about the Iraqi's oil. If so, why does a suicide bomber blow up Iraqi? So the US stays and takes their oil? Get real.
Now that we got your>>>Ok, al-Qaeda hates us.
How will a surrender to al-Qaeda in Iraq help? Kill US oil, is that the plan? Gas at $6.
If you wan't to see some bad times to post about:
Let al-Qaeda have Iraq's oil to fund their dirty deeds and let Iran have a bomb. <<<My guess is you are ho hum on Iran too...
I know, I know that IS part of impoverished big oil's master plan?
Again I'm not mad at you Spell, I just think it's nuts and unpatriotic to blow off the push by radical Islam....with all their mass murders, AROUND THE WORLD....as some US insider plot to profit on oil and war. Our Brave troops are better than that, you play them as fools in some twisted plot and refuse to see what they do> help the Iraqi.... hunt down those doing the cold blooded killing....train their police and army...provide protection till they can!! And they are, more and more!...The death rate is dropping, is it not? Iraqi are moving back, are they not?
What good will come from giving up after all the hard work?
we should leave and say we're sorry? You will be saying that for a long long time if we give in to al-Qaeda in any way.
Sorry for what, blowing off Iraqi people when the surge is working? Sorry to all the troops and Iraqi because all their hard work will be lost? Sorry to your kids when they face a stronger al-Qaeda with nukes because "!NUTS!" suspected, with no proof, Chaney and his oil buds helped this government create al-Qaed and ignored the ramifications of submisson to the Islam *NUTS!!*
Admit it Spell, EVERYTHING AMERICAN feeds al-Qaeda's hate. Face it now, or sit on your hands and your gold and say it's this or that, and face it on their terms, when they are stronger.
http://www.islam-watch.org/AliSina/Why-Fight-Islam.htm