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I'm a loser because I enjoy learning about this kind of thing?
People asking questions and looking for information are the only way you're going to find out what's REALLY going on with your position.
You're welcome, Miss Angel :)
I appreciate you digging that up for me- the original promo timestamps. So the latest news says that it started on the 8th and the SMA e-mail blast happened on the 12th ..
It's all very interesting
I also remember the SMA website showing the page about a "BOPT Report" existing and the actual report url being completely just missing
Sorry if none of that made sense, but I am very tired over here :)
My extremely uneducated guess would be that there was one of two things
1. The issue with the transfer agent made settling trades impossible, made share counts not add up, someone called into question the transfer agent agreement/details/etc or something along these lines which resulted in a halt
OR
2. There was a (supposedly) UNAUTHORIZED promotion which would NOT be okay and that caused the halt - as I (very loosely) understand the rules.
What in the world are they saying 170M short for, then? Ha ha ha.
That is the answer to everything on the internet- everything that has anything to do with any otc stock
Stock crashed? *** ****ed Short Sellers!
Stock went up? YaY it was a Short Squeeze!
Stock trading sideways? Get in before the Short Squeeze!
Stock trading sideways? Get out before everyone shorts it!
Stock exists at all in any way? Short sellers made that possible!
I still am very curious about how FTDs work and how they're tracked but I think NSS is far less of a concern than most people say that it is.. I asked earlier if this is traded on the Berlin Exchange and I don't think anyone knows
I looked for it on the bex by the ticker and by the CIK:
Sorry, your search for 0000905428 did not yield any results.
The post below is a summary of what's been discussed so far (I think) -- I AM NO EXPERT -- but someone replied and said I was a quick study and another person told me it was an excellent compendium
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=87181077
(I may be completely wrong about some of that)
I've been trying to follow all of this and have a few very still very relevant questions....
Does anyone have any clue or idea as to what the real actual float is? RIGHT NOW, I mean? The latest on OTCMARKETS.com says it's 40M as of mid April...
What is this 170M everyone is talking about? Were there 170M shares that were shorted at some given time or does 170M IN ACTUAL CURRENT SHORT POSITIONS exist right now at this time?
How could the price possibly trade between .02 and .04 today? Interestingly tight range! I'm assuming it only traded round cents because greys can't trade at .xxx or .xxxx?
How could the volume be so low? You would think any shorts would rush to close their positions and still other people who are long would rush to get the **** out ... why did neither happen? Due to still being halted on several online platforms? Still, wow, didn't these people call their brokers and make them trade it?
When EXACTLY did the SMA pump start? Was it on April 10th? Meaning, did it coincide with the HUGE selloff that started April 10th?
They sure are driving a hard bargain. I was high bid @ 0174 forever and now I came up to 0175 and they still won't sell to me
I got the 0167 yesterday so apparently I have not commited a "free ride" or "round trip" ... I think I am allowed to "get away with" 3 per week .... not sure if that means a calendar week, a 7 days, or what
PUNL
I am just in kansas (forced to be) for now and poor and bored to death and I wanted to sell .0199 and buy .0165 but that didn't work .. If I could trade freely (I'm under PDT) I could make a fortune though ... I have to hold positions overnight most of the time since our government is a crooked ****blocking ***** who likes to send a big **** you to anyone with an account under $25k and offshore brokers are pretty scary
Ha ha ha
PS: SOMEONE FILL ME @ 0174 would ya .. I'm high bid forever here
PUNL
PPS: To actually answer your question- no- I sold 14K .0199 I got for .0167 yesterday
Or was that today
I am getting old :))
No one wants to sell to me :( I am high bidder @ .0174 .. .
I've asked this question about WGAS several times, does ANYONE know what the actual float is? If the FLOAT went up 100M in a WEEK, how in the world is it not down lower than it's trading?
If 1.49B are AUTHORIZED and 350M are OUTSTANDING the only missing number is what the ACTUAL FLOAT IS and apparently the new TA doesn't disclose that? ? ?
Wow, you're right. Someone bought his 35k @ .0196 AND my 14k @ .0199 AND the other guys 175k @ .02 all at once
Someone sell me some .0166 now?? Pleeeez :))
PUNL
Well, I suppose that UBSS now is selling some @ .0196
I am no longer your best value otc dealer :(
PUNL
I have some for sale @ .0199!! Only 14k .. so act fast, supplies are limited!!
Brought to you by Scottrade + CSTI
PUNL
If only it were this easy, in court.
Thank you.
I don't agree with the action that was taken against the stock, but it's not quite as stupid or wrong as I thought it was. I appreciate that it was explained to me and that I was not simply ignored. While I may not agree with a lot that goes on around here, I definitely get the "vibe" that the board is run with good intentions and more intelligence than I thought it was.
PS: This guy IH Geek [Dave] - I like this guy. He is well written and blunt and can be just as forceful and offensive as the person writing to him- and yet he manages to do it without coming off as an a*****. I have respect for this guy even though I was real mad and angry, at first. If you'd like to come and represent me in court, this morning- I'll make some coffee for you and give you a free automobile to take home with you.
:)
The irony is almost comical; I'm going to court in the morning and may actually BE in jail sometime tomorrow. Your jailhouse doesn't scare me, I suppose :P
So this apparently lasts forever until I beg some IHUB God to make me worthy again, or what?
I won't do that- but- if there's another way, that'd be nice. I suppose. Just be warned that I am going to be competition someday- whether you play nice, or not :)
For the record, I would beg the Judge in court tomorrow, if I thought it'd keep my half dead *** out of jail! Ha Ha Ha
11 MMS bidding over .007 / Only three MMS left with shares @ .008
VFIN & VNDM & VERT all on BID side
GO EVSV
Daddy needs new shoes and a plane ticket ... FLL or MIA or MCO or SNA or DFW or ATL PLEASE
Was this traded on the berlin exchange? I'm told that one can short the good hell out of anything there.. also,
Most non US brokers allow one to short without the $2.50 I think
Tiny float + uplist + news = BLAM .. Huge .0081 bid now looking thin to .0249 .. forget .008 how about .01 .. it's coming.. new HOD
I bought a stock that does not suck, I think! Happy Christmas Time. This needs to go to .91 so I can escape the midwest and be somewhere with foxy broads and shiny automobiles and palm trees!!!!
evsv
Holy god .. HUGE bids .. 008 is going to break like eggs thrown at a 19 year olds ass out of a tennis ball machine
GO EVSV
WoW, uplisting today? Good NEWS :) Huge stacking @ .007-.0076 bid side .. ask showing very thin .008
Good morning vietnammmmmm
evsv
.0075 now .. 007 BIDS STACKING .. .008s up on ask
I hope this goes like it looks
evsv
007 LOOKS THIN - 208k @ 007 right out of the gate
evsv
DING DING DING .. NEWS OUT .. BUY ;)
EVSV
What does it mean when someone puts $EVSV instead of just EVSV?? I see them doing that for other stocks sometimes too
Share buybacks are a great idea
That means they're serious
EVSV
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE- No stock in the world on IHUB is more popular!! This stock could go to the moon with rockets attached.. I can't believe the float is so low and they're uplisting it soon and all of that!! Record volume, today!
You never know, we could hit .014 or more, who knows .. 0220 would be even better than that! I am actually glad I got into a stock, for once.
Rank Board Rate* Posts Today News Quote** Last Change Chg% Volume
1 Enviro-Serv, Inc. (EVSV) 2,750% 440
Ticker Buzz Cloud (24 hours)
Time Interval: 24hr | 12hr | 6hr | 3hr | 1hr
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Ticker Buzz Cloud (1 hour)
Time Interval: 24hr | 12hr | 6hr | 3hr | 1hr
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Rank Board Reads
4 Enviro-Serv, Inc. (EVSV) 5,790
EVSV
LII is level 2 quotes ... with it you can see ALL of the market makers and ALL of the bids/asks
I'm not too sure about that.. I've been seeing my scottrade orders routed through CSTI on most OTC stocks lately ... I guess they could be retail AND not retail? Still learning
EVSV
***If anyone needs LII*** it's free through TDAmeritrade - (even on otc stocks) - I opened an account, didn't have to fund it and I can see LII through their "Trade Architect" under "Grid"
Usually seems to be realtime, too, I can see my orders within a half second most of the time.
evsv
I use scottrade and some or my orders route through NITE and on other stocks through CSTI ... Someone told me scottrade is using CSTI more and more often and won't be using NITE soon.... Could you elaborate a bit on your post? I'd love to know more about what is going on with that
Thanks!!
EVSV
If she's a woman, I'll volunteer for THAT job, and I promise you that she will BEHAVE from now going forward.
That said, in all seriousness, VERT lost THIS round. I don't see him with a never ending 10k ask on THIS one.
evsv
Well SOMEONE bought 15M shares today
That's a huge percentage of the float
That shouldn't happen for no reason
I think it must be a good sign
Not that I am an expert, at ALL.. :)
EVSV
I know that they don't actually trade after 4:00 but I'm trying to understand what actually goes on with after hours "prints"
It looks like actual trades that happened at or before 4:00 can print up to 90 seconds late, and then, something I don't understand yet can show up several minutes late
EVSV
Interesting T-Trade 7,400,000 @ .0061 not reported till 4:06:10 .. they're supposed to be in within 90 seconds and something about something else is supposed to happen within 3 minutes, anyone know how that works for sure?
What's also interesting is that 7,499,999 went through at .0062 at 2:48PM
Now, does that mean that the 2:48 was actually a 15M order or what?
Why would they let us see half of it, and see it all at once, if they didn't report this other one until 6:10 after close?
Here we go:
From http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=86019838
1. Those with a time stamp within a minute and a half after closing are just normal
90-second delays.
Rule 6620.1 OTC Market Makers shall, within 90 seconds after execution, transmit through ACT last sale reports of transactions in OTC Equity Securities executed during normal market hours.
In this case the market makers may have conducted a trade within seconds of closing, but is delayed in reporting until after closing it is showing up a minute after closing. This delay, which is permitted, is often misconstrued as manipulation. I don't believe this part 100%- I think that the MMS can close it wherever they want to close it. Also, I think they can use the 16:00:53 20k .0062 print from today to make the "close" .0062 since it was reported within 90 seconds .. that means it counts as the last real trade for todays session, I think ... If I am wrong please correct me, as I'm still learning here.
2. Then we have trades later than 90 seconds after closing. These trades fall into two categories and typically involve larger size lots.
a. The first category is sometimes used by financial institutions that are non-market makers to report larger transactions that actually occurred during market hours, but since they do not have access to the ACT (Automated Confirmation Transaction Service) use Form T to report. In essence, bypassing the MMs.
MMs are basically prohibited from these "Off Market transaction" as spelled out in:
A pattern or practice of late reporting without exceptional circumstances may be considered conduct inconsistent with high standards of commercial honor and just and equitable principles of trade, in violation of Rule 2110.
These ”Off Market” trades are typically used by larger investors to buy larger lots at prearranged prices without risk of driving the price upward or downward.
b. The second category involves so called “ex-clearing” lots. Certain transactions may clear and settle outside of the regular clearing system ("ex-clearing" transactions), where two dealers make an arrangement to settle trades between them outside the clearing system.
The process used to balance street side transactions depends on the type of comparison generated and the settlement method for the particular trade.
Trades Comparison is accomplished in one of two ways:
1. Electronically through the use of an automated clearing house such as the NSCC. This the normal way
2. Manually via Ex-Clearing. Ex-Clearing is a manual comparison process that is performed by the brokerage firm’s Purchase and Sales Department. Unusual short coverings can end up settle this way
3. See http://www.brokerage101.com/ for further education
EVSV
Last trade 13k @ .007 .... I haven't really noticed, but is the "CLOSE" determined by the last real trade or can they use t-form trades to make the close artificially lower??
SEVENS PRINTING 41K JUST NOW
EVSV
0084 ASK .. W o W
Well 007 now
Still, sixes were thin, I hope
EVSV
Close strong!! Let me be in a good one ONE TIME, damn it.. Do it for the duck!!!
Let's try to close it high, that'll make tomorrow REAL nice
evsv
The float is small it's trsding nicely I'm high bid for 15 minutes THEN the SECOND I manage to get printed the bid AND ask downtick blam blam blam
They filled me 3000 of a 38k order THEN I had to pay a second commission to raise my bid up and actually get filled
I am so god **** ****ing tired of everything I try to buy immediately ****ing falling. I know I'm new to trading and it'll be months or years befor I get good at it, and that supposedly happens to all new traders, but christ it's getting ridiculous
That said,
I ended up in for 33025 @ .0068 and 3000 @ .0066 which is not too horrible. It's been trading .0071 real nice today. I still don't love how they refuse to fill me when I'm high bidder at 66 and then BLAM I get filled and a pile of 65s fall from heaven THEN, seconds later, you know? Would be nice to get a hold of the MMs sometime and teach them a thing or two of a LESSON ;)
I think this could turn out real well and it's trading VERY nicely today so:
GO EVSV
Pure genius
Well
It may turn out to be a solid company. . I figure if he's got the b***s to say **** shareholders, he must not NEED them, so that could be good
But still- wow- the b***s on this guy