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1st time in a while we've had the bid and ask above the price of the stock.
Yes, time bar would take care of all of this nonsense? It's just that simple. Sorry, Bungie you filed late and rules are rules. Wifi one says so. There's no need to look at anything else. Hello Judges, are you listening? You're making this way harder than it has to be.
Thanks
Are the release of these decisions always between 10 am and noon or can they happen anytime during the day?
Thanks. after Worlds wins, You can send me your Christmas list. (sorry no yachts)
My family and I are up for adoption. I'll send you our Christmas list. lol!
Almost? If your car payments are that high then you either got ripped off or I'm way out of your league.
The ptab first denies Worlds their right of discovery to get Bungie thrown out from the contract agreement with Activision. Next, Wi-fi one was supposed to be our saving grace to get Bungie time-barred. That didn't happen. I agree with you that these things do need to run their course, but to wait this much time just for the judges to come back and say we need a remand would be one giant slap in the face. Like the saying goes "Justice delayed is justice denied" is so true in this case. End of rant.
With the amount of time that has passed, it does seem as though the Judges are waiting on something. Some sort of guidance and not wanting to set any kind of precedence like Madprofit was saying. This would surely put things on hold.
I think Captart7 has a point. Why/how would Worlds consider a buyout without the court fixing the patent date? It would give Worlds a tremendous amount of leverage and puts them in a position of power. unless you are thinking along the lines that Worlds and Activision have already taken that into consideration on their own. I also doubt that would happen. Activision has tried to bankrupt worlds along the way. I don't think Thom would forgive so easily. The patent date needs to be fixed before any talks.
Now that wifi one has been ruled on, It looks like the Judges have decided to let Bungie stay in the game after all. Otherwise, this thing would have been settled already since Bungie actually did file late. I'm also wondering if coordinating vacation time between the Judges and staff may be why the extra long delay. Almost 5 1/2 months already.
Sorry to hear. I understand how you didn't get the shares. Your first post mentioned you placed the trade at 12:38 am. Which if placed at that time, you probably would have got your fill. Best of luck getting them shares early tomorrow before the big blast off. (wishful thinking)
Then you did get screwed. I would call my broker and ask them why. They may give them to you if there was a mistake. Looks shady indeed. Good luck.
Did you have your order in for all or none? I did that once and learned from my mistake. The order filled for lower than my price but for fewer shares than I was looking for.
Thanks for answering my questions Mad and ABCD12. I appreciate your patience and understanding as I am trying to get the process and terminology of the court system as it relates to patent lawsuits under my belt. The links really help a lot.
In your opinion, if the Judges ruled in favor to vacate, would Bungie be entitled to appeal on the grounds they were denied a chance to show they have/had evidence(discovery) to refute the contract? which would mean even more delay time. Is the decision even appealable? Or are the Judge's decisions final? And is that the main reason you believe this is a remand scenario. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the parties would agree to all decisions of the court.
What I wished would have happened at the hearing was for the Judges to have asked Bungie, is there any evidence at all that you have or eventually could produce refuting the contract instead of wasting the courts time.
I guess that would depend on certain factors. One being if can they get the patent date error corrected it would extend the time infringers would pay a licencing fee. Another question, if worlds does pull this off will it become a dividend stock or will/would Thom partner with someone to create a product? Someone also once or twice mentioned blockchain technology. Sounds pretty interesting but how would that work in the MMORPG world?
Will MRMD help prop worlds stock price up if it is a remand? Or will it go near .10 like someone on here suggested? That's a tough call. This thing looks range bound between.24 and .28 until a decision. I'm guessing 2-3 weeks.
I am still hoping your prediction comes true for an end of day decision. At least it would get this case going. Whichever way it goes should cause the price to gap. Up would be a pleasant surprise. Glta
Place your bets people. What are your guesses as to when we finally get a response of a remand or a vacate? I got my money on the week of Aug 6th. Just a crazy feeling. Glta.
By "their discovery" I was referring to the contract. When one of the Judges asked why they(Bungie) didn't submit a declaration between Activision and Bungie as it relates to the IPR? Bungie's only defense was "We didn't think we needed it". Do you think it would have been a good idea for them to bring proof that there was no control(privity)? They certainly knew worlds was going to present the contract as evidence. Does anyone here believe a declaration even exists? Who can tell better than the judges whether this is a game being played? They should have brought their evidence to court.
For all who read charts. Does anyone see a small cup and handle forming on the 3-month chart? It started shortly after the CAFC hearing. Some will say charts have nothing to do with cases like this but hopefully, soon there will be a decision which if it is in favor of a vacate, would validate the chart. Just an observation. Anyone? Just tryin to liven up the board a little while we wait.
Exactly. The Judges only have to ask themselves what would be accomplished by remanding this thing back to the PTAB when Bungie already told them "we got nothing, your honor".
I agree.
Worlds lawyers brought their discovery to court and Bungie had no explanations to contradict it. How much more proof do you expect Bungie to provide? If they had any they should have provided their reasons for why they need more discovery.(This was World appeal after all) The Judges will see this for what it is, a stall tactic. Am I missing something? By saying, because that's just the way things work really doesn't provide a good answer.
Hey Trade, When you say full duration do you mean 20 years? The patents technically have expired am I correct? If worlds does pull this off, Will/do the courts give the patent holder a whole new stab at collecting future royalties?
Thanks for the link Long term. I've seen snippets of this hearing but not the whole thing. Worlds lawyers definitely put up the better argument. It Seems like forever ago.
Can someone please explain how the patent expiration with Worlds works as it pertains to the mistake made by the patent board? If they indeed find they erred, Does it extend the life of the patents or would damages be finite since they have already expired?
Like I was leaning toward. The Judges have the online contract as evidence. (I believe someone on here said these judges were experts on deciphering contracts.) Did they have a chance to go over it yet? who knows? If the contract is what worlds lawyers say it is then, in my opinion, more discovery is moot and simply a waste of time. De novo should be used.
This is kinda what I was leaning toward when I Pondered my question to Mad. These judges should have had a feeling (according to this interview)after the hearing, for what was needed to proceed to the next step. I feel discovery should have been a super easy decision if they were leaning that way, for them to clear this case off their schedule. I believe the longer this takes The better our chances for vacate. Hope I am right. GLTA.
Thanks Mad, I understand the backlog for the Judges can be tremendous at times. I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of the PTAB violating a party's due process by denying discovery in the first place. I'm really sorry to say that I'm not rooting for you on the remand thing because these games have gone on for too long. I'm more of a fan of de novo here when looking at the big picture. I know you're a big fan of procedure but I believe discovery was proven with the contract. Why have a do-over when one is not needed. I hope the Judges can see through that. But if we must wait, I will still be here. I really appreciate all the advice and input you've given to all of us over time. Glta, Thanks.
Mad, if you believe a remand is in the cards, then could you please explain to me your thoughts on what could be taking so long for the Judges to make their decision to go back and do discovery? This does not seem like a rocket science decision and should be considered a no-brainer. They could have very well thought of this almost as soon as the proceedings were over. Is this normal court proceedings for a simple decision(as discovery) to be dragged on and on and on?
Are you here to cry about your losses? Nobody cares.
Thanks for the replies Mad and abcd12, This board is getting pretty stale waiting for something to happen. it's always good to get different points of view.
I'm ok with privy the way you explained it, thanks. As for procedure, and as far as discovery goes, you"re right it is subjective. I thought all the info provided by Worlds attorneys in the cafc was pretty powerful stuff and de novo would help put an end to this 3 ring circus. It is so obvious that this is only a stall tactic. To remand this would only look like another way for these Judges to pass the buck.
Mad, I'm still confused with the privy vs control and why one is preferred over the other in this case. Also if you believe procedure supersedes all else then when would de novo ever work in any court. I still think the evidence speaks for itself. Sorry, still trying to wrap my head around the way things work. Thanks.
The fact that ATVI had a spot on Bungie's board means they wanted some sort of control over goings-on. Not to mention the contract that Worlds Attorneys found online between them. All the discovery needed is right in front of their faces. Bungie even told them they had no defense when it came to the RPI. And Just because one of the judges brought up privy doesn't mean they have to go with that. So, I agree with you that relevant evidence as a reasonable mind (which should apply to all the judges here) might
accept, seems as though it does apply here.
I know the courts are slow, but now that oil states has been ruled on, it would seem to be a fairly easy and quick thing to write a motion telling worlds that they need to go back and do discovery since that is what some posters on here say is the next thing that should happen. I would have expected this decision to have come out already.