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Agreed. However, did buy a few more only because of the recent insider buy.
If it goes to .003, I'll buy a few more shares of this shit as one can never have enough shit and I'll see if any other insiders have the cahona's to buy more of this shit.
Why buy shit? Because everything is basically shit. Except shit. Real shit that is. Real shit is warm, gooey and comforting. Well, except for the smell... real shit stinks.
Don't forget all the 'new' shareholders of the air purifiers that got taken out when VYST now 'owns'. They all were supposed to get nice, new shares in VYST.
I wonder what the reverse split numbers will be? 1 for 200 @ a price share of .0003? Soon I'll probably own about 2 shares in something that Doyle (ex CEO of VYST) at LEAST kept the stock price stable and boring.
Management, a nice note to you all: Go to business school and learn how to run a company BEFORE you ruin it.
Go VYST! Whoo Hoo! (thud)
Making a few hundred bucks ain't bad. some people probably have done that with dnrg buying at .0002 and selling at .0003.
I'm holding a few long-term shares myself and also wouldn't mind making a few hundred (bucks, thousands, millions, billions, trillions, zillions) but I'd be happy to at least get some kind of news from management. any news good or bad.
That would be nice, even if to gain closure. Wasn't there something about the Rubicon being outsourced and being available next Spring?
How true!
Refreshing to read reality.
Thought today about the shares being issued to the shareholders of the air purifiers.
Should be around this time. Maybe a scheme to lower the stock price for a ten day average so as to issue VYST shares to them. Whatever it is, the price suuuuuucks more than a vacuum cleaner in competition with a professional Vegas hooker.
Invested in this company for the latex and now reaping the rewards of having faith in shit.
Been in it long enough to get three years of long term capital gains. Definitely not gonna sell at this level and definitely not gonna buy any at this price as it is heading for a r/s probably early next year.
Might get lucky if the company announces some revenue but doubtful.
And, you hit it on the head about the POS management and their lies. I never thought I'd say I miss Doyle. At least he kept the price constant.
Been dreaming about vyst for years and now the dream is just about dead.
I've read, invested and followed this company for years. Much longer probably than anyone who has ever posted on this forum.
Was a bit confused about them buying and then selling the sleep division as that actually generated revenue. Though, the seller of that company was taken to the courts for some legal stuff (how many of the sheep knew about that? Ha! Bunch of sheep for sure)
Stock price has been stable for years and then along come the wolves to lead the sheep to slaughter... Just watch how the wolves have been buying and selling on the backs of penny flippers.
I think the product the company has is a great product. Have thought that way for years, yet, NO meaningful revenue. Why is that? Never got a good answer, especially from management.
Now, the company has new management and they are diluting the shit out of this 'dream'. More like a nightmare.
But, gotta hand it to the wolves and manipulators... make that money. Screw all. And then move on to the next feeding frenzy. It is after all, the American dream...
Exactly.
"Average daily price..."
Based on what? The past month? Look back past a month and see such how high the volume was. Some days, not one share traded. At the most, a year high in volume might be 100,000 shars.
Flash that average price today and millions of shares trading while the price is nothing.
I'll take the boring old days owning vyst where the price was much higher than the volume.
Wonder what the current share count is now. The next SEC filing will be very telling on where all these shares came/are coming, from.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
"news coming..."
"All time high..."
What an amazing exercise in herd mentality with the leader pulling the wool over the sheeps eyes...
First, along come some movers in combination with companies doing business with VYST exercising their conversion rights. So, shorty makes coin along with the converting companies (one in the same)
Insiders buy to try and stop the damage but the wolf already is banking coin.
NOW, there are the tag-alongs who've taken a position that will unload their holdings at .02 while saying, "This baby is gonna run!" and other nonsense to fool the sheep.
Bottom line: People are making money here. People who have the right to convert/short. People who had knowledge all this shit was going to happen. And people who will dump their shares for a 100-300% profit and move on to the next 'herd'.
After the dust settles, it will just be boring long-term investors remaining holding onto the possibility that VYST 'might' just actually sell something to generate revenue.
With years of owning this shit under my belt, if in the next six months there is no 'real' proof of revenue, I'll sell my shares in this crap saying, "I should have known better. What a waste of perfectly boring time."
A major change? Ha! For years the stock price has been stable. Low volume. Boring yet reliable management...AND then... new management with high hopes and all of a sudden, millions of shares start trading? Old shareholders are not selling their shares which means 'new' shares which means millions and millions of shares pumped into dilution.
If this keeps up there will soon be a r/s. Of this, I'm certain.
Thanks 'new' ceo and gang of 'don't know what the (censored) they are doing with a publicly traded company.
I like their product though, too bad management did not attend 'accepting loans from sharks 101'. One side of the sharks shorting, the others, selling new shares. Win win for them... loss for the rest of the herd trying to invest in a company.
I like cheese! (and dnrg, especially if the price goes to .01)
and I like potato chips, and dip and fluffy penguins!
imo, .0005 will be the bottom then fluffy pr's a r/s. such as, "gonna get listed on the big boards" etc. 1 for 20 or something along those lines.
I know Doyle was boring but at least he kept the stock price somewhat decent for the investor. These guys care nothing but for their own.
This diluting and conversion will go on for a bit more...thinking.005 and then the next earnings report will come out showing little rev increase and then a r/s and some 'rah rah' stuff...so, old time shareholders such as myself get wiped out and for what?
Instead of a latex mattress maybe my next mattress will with stuffed with feathers instead.
This company officially sucks. Thanks new management.
Nah, the shepherd got ate by wolves which are now going to devour this company.
That said, enough sheep here will lose more money while the wolves feast.
Maybe next week the price will go to .005
Interesting to see the next SEC filing where there are probably going to be 500,000,000 shares issued and outstanding.
Probably gonna say, "We paid a promoter $10,000 worth of stock with conversions." That promoter will have then sold at least 300,000,000 million shares to get their money.
Now, I like this company. Been here for years. Like the products. Used to like the management, but it seems management got sucked into some sucker deal with the stock side and now are watching it all burn.
Probably gonna realize what they did and do a r/s, meanwhile the wolves feast and the sheep get slaughtered.
Amazing. Been here for years with a somewhat albeit boring stock price. Then, just before 'news' heavier than normal trades and THEN posters coming out of the woodwork like flies. And THEN the price falls like a rock on extreme volume.
What the heck are you doing management? Did you sell out the company to some scum sucking promotion companies?
Something bad has happened. Oh. Wait. Dilution. Conversion. Manipulation. And a herd of sheep...
Baaa Baaa BAaaaa.
Nope. Totally, and with absolute certainty... do not agree with your view of infringing companies.
The main reason is that the majority of ethanol companies (80% I believe) are using directly or indirectly, the technology that GERS owns.
But, to each their own. And I own GERS shares, which if the court appeal is successful then the majority of ethanol companies will have to come up with their own new technology or licensed GERS.
Now, I is no longer confused... Actually, I'm never confused. Oooh, looky, a pink unicorn eating a ham sandwich.
Huh? I is so confused...
If GERS gets an infringing company to be a customer that could be... dangerous?
Almost sounds as dangerous as removing a matteress tag 'under penalty of law' only weirder.
If GERS could strike a deal for ongoing royalties from an infringing company I would consider that a great achievement as no infringing company is going to be a GER customer WITHOUT acknowledging the right GERS has to the technology.
Of course, politicians do say "trust me" so maybe that's the comparison you're trying to make.
Oh trust me... I've been here waiting for years.
I do like the new management and their business plan but at least the old management and plan kept the stock price waaaaay higher.
Something stinks here. But I've lost my sense of smell.
No news is going to move this bbooooooorrrrrinnnnngggg stock except for one news release... That being an SEC filing of EARNINGS showing revenue increasing dramatically.
Will that happen in the next five years? Trust me on that one again... I'll STILL be here as I have no life and live with sex dolls that smell like the pudding Bill Cosby used to sell.
YUM!
If I'm lucky, the new VYST latex doll will go on sale with a two-for-one price and then it will be the good times! At least it will ease the pain of watching this most boring of stocks plummet on absolutely no other reason than conversion and dilution... Or, is it dilution and conversion?
Hope the sex dolls come in different colors. I'm partial to purple...yeah, purple. And feathers. Lots and lots of feathers. And smells... I hope they sell them that smell like flounder!
Go VYST!
No they won't. The company has LOTS of shares they can dump... well, not just the company, but the companies that probably were paid in vyst shares with little 'conversion' attachments.
Fun to watch people making money, while 'long termers' like me get squished!
Oh oh... smelling a new PR soon to be released, "Vystar announces a new latex sex doll. It is really nice and should retail for $29.99 in Best Buy or Walmart.."
If GERS succeeds either in court or in a stock chart showing zooming profits... I vote for a shareholder meeting in a fancy resturaunt such as Arby's or Sizzler Steak House.
Now, if GERS has a set-back in court or goes backwards in profits, I suggest we all go dumpster diving! Amazing what people throw away.
Either way is a 'win win' situation.
Gonna go finish a half eatin burrito I found next to some plastic flowers and an old lawn mower.
It was nice to read the letter Kevin put out on the Greenshift official website. There it is, available for every shareholder to read.
The letter explains in detail many things and cleared up many things. Better to read actually than a dry SEC filing.
As I said, trusting people is usually a big mistake and for sure trusting posts on a public forum, but Kevin came through as some believed he would. Now, I'm in the camp of believing.
I'm glad Kevin stood up to the bullies. Those accusing him without evidence.
If I don't have to pay a lot of taxes to the IRS in a couple of weeks, gonna try to get some more of GERS and maybe another stock I've got my eye on.
Thanks Kevin, as a shareholder I appreciate the communication.
Interesting. I'm definitely not computer savvy or an internet guru but I do know that I clicked the 'news' tab and saw a new 'new's release on the Greenshift website. It did not stay there long and I did not take a screenshot of it because it was what was already posted elsewhere. And, if you go back in my history of posts you'll see the day it happened as I wrote about how nice it was to see new 'news' on the website.
Lots of things happen on the internet. Lots and lots of things. But, no matter. The main news is the appeal is filed.
The next important things for GERS, in my opinion is clarity of news on the companies website, SEC filings (or at least updates made by the company and not third parties such as Attis)
And most importantly, get a whole lot of investors to start purchasing GERS shares so the stock price goes up.
And, as one who enjoys marijuana.... uh... mm, investments. Yeah, that's it. GERS investmet in the marijuana industry. Maybe some news on all those pretty pictures Ihub shows regarding GERS and the marijuana industry.
Yeah, you're right... the caves around here get the 'connect to the net' via huge spiders webs and little squirrels that run along the electric wires carrying messages. But at least it beats 'dial-up'... Around here, dial-up is where a bridge troll wakes up and whispers in an ogres ear and...
And another yeah... I can smell anything! Anything and everything! And in return you can smell me upwind... Phewwwww ewwwwh and yuck...
For a person pretending to be the CEO of Greenshift I'm confident they would not have the mental capacity to write such a response. You answered my questions in a way that is not only understandable but should put to rest some of the past speculation on dilution by the company such as, "Kevins personal piggy bank."
It is true that in the age of Google searches and internet access; the investing world in turn has increased in leaps-and-bounds regarding access to news. So, Ihub, Yahoo, Skunk, whatever are indeed sources of news with one huge caveat... they are also filled with lies, trolls, and misinformation. It would not take much to start an account, use an alias, and with the aid of others, do cross-corroboration. Happens all the time...
Thus, I for one, will be glad to see more news, data, or anything pertaining to Greenshift be posted on the official company website.
Ihub, Yahoo, and other sites are entertaining. So much fun to see the workings of peoples minds but SEC filings, Pacer filings, Official company website filings... there is nothing else that comes close to the truth, that is unless management of various companies post information meant to deceive. On Ihub I can say I'm Howard Hughes and own half of GE. I would not be punished for such. But if GE wrote an SEC filing stating that Howard Hughes just took a positions in GE to 50% ownership and it was not true... (yeah, Howard is dead, and owning 50% of GE is crazy but trying to make a point)
One point that raised a red flag for me though is that when the news of the filing came out I went to the Greenshift website. I clicked on the news tab and saw a release by the company. I went back a few days later and that release had been removed. Was the Greenshift website hacked? The link to the filing of course, still exists.
It all does not really matter on who is who and what is what. The future of Greenshift is going to happen. If it's in the best interests of the shareholder/management, then great. If not,such is life in a world of lies and manipulation.
I'm wondering why the Ihub was used (if legitimate) by the CEO of Greenshift to present a letter to investors.
The question why is why not the company website? And why did the last company news release be removed by the company website?
Did a really quick search and found this. https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2013-2013-51htm
Interesting that the SEC allows publicly traded companies to use social media as long as shareholders KNOW where to look.
So, lets say I live in a cave (close)and am not social media savvy but know enough to click on my stock trading platform or find the company website. How would I know about Ihub, Yahoo, or the skunk blog?
Definitely not a 'rah rah' sort anymore as I've been burned too many times by optimism, but IF it really is Kevin writing and such, then great. It will be interesting to see what the future holds.
Interesting.
Some questions.
1. One, on a message board we are getting information from a CEO of a publicly traded company... Is it possible that I wrote as if I were Kevin? If so, this is dangerous. If not, this is dangerous.
2. Two, it was pointed out by said letter that the reasons there has not been more dilution is because there has not been SEC filings... why does this make a difference? If a lender wants to convert without SEC filings by GERS, what's stopping them?
3, Three, why was a recent news release on the GERS website taken down almost immediately after being posted? Yes, the headline for the filing is still there but the recent 'news' article posted under, news, is no longer there.
Verification goes a long way to trust. I trust company news articles posted on THEIR websites. I trust Pacer filings with the court. I trust in SEC filings. I do NOT trust any information posted on message forums or other internet unless they can be verified with real documentation.
Oh, and the part about notifying Kevin via email anytime... How many here other than Nobody has received a response?
And if I sign off on this post...
Yours truly,
Kevin
(does that make it real?)
I trust no one. Not one human is worthy of my trust. It will be nice one day to be proven otherwise.
Well written. An obvious display of experience with writing.
Word usage was concise and proper adjectives used to form the message of personal feelings by the writer.
An emphasis on detail of past/current process of Greenshift from the writers perspective.
Sifting out the facts it becomes obvious that there was a balance of 'we' and 'I'. Team player is portrayed.
Some objectivity as stated that show one side of dilution taken by the company in the past and backed up with reasons. (though, for past investors at the time of dilution and r/s, any reason does not matter as their investment was wiped out)
Overall, a good piece of writing with logical intersteps of information/reasoning for current and past decisions.
As a past and current investor, I enjoyed the read. In my opinion the company will persevere and 'we' just might reap some profit and 'I' for one, will be glad to see that.
For those taking a position in vyst recently, congrats. You've entered the realm of boredom as vyst is most indeed, a boring company.
Let me fill you in. They once had a sleep division and a lawsuit and they did away the that division. They have been involved in latex for a long time creating lots of hopeful products: condoms, balloons, mattress,
The company has a good product and now, good management. Doyle is out but Osborn is buying.
They now have a good business plan in my opinion but it will take time to show that most important part of being a company... REVENUE. For all the progress and talk the company has little revenue.
Maybe the new management will guide the company to sales, increased sales... and REVENUE.
Now, for years, very little trading with the exception of that pump-and-dump a few years ago by some penny stock dump site. Go back through the posts, you'll see what they were talking about a couple of years ago, the same old "going to the moon!" stuff.
Recently volume/posting has increased dramatically. Thus, the question: Who is selling at these low prices? Not me, not a lot of long time investors. So, is the company diluting or are some of the companies doing business with vyst be paid with new shares of vyst and then dumping them to get 'paid' (cash is not bad even if the shares are worth .02)
So, welcome one and all. Talk about charts, fibo numbers, hockey sticks, rolling averages, but be prepared to either profit IF the company comes out in a few months with an SEC filing showing REVENUE or more and more months of boredom and lackluster stock prices.
good news, gonna have to get me one
Yep, nice to see Osborn buying. But answer this? Where are all these shares everyone seems to love so much coming from?
Not too long ago, the price was much higher and the volume much lower. Now all you wonderful people show up and the volume soars to over 5 year averages with millions of shares trading...
A bit of a disconnect but hey, go for it. All my shares are so long-term capital gains I'll have to vacuum the dust off of them before selling.
And yes, while recent news is great, so was the news months ago, last year, years ago and yet we have way more shares floating out there with a stock prices near the bottom. Millions of shares trading. Does not make sense. Wonder if management is behind it all... or, more likely, a core group of 'wonder' traders adept at manipulating the market prices for stocks.
Maybe the filing with the 'case participants' stuff is similar to modern day health privacy?
Lets say the doc tells me, "Yes, the tests came back positive. Eating those Ethiopian snails are going to cause your head to fall off."
Now, the doc can't release that to the public verbally or with written documents supporting it but I, a 'participant' can yell to the world, "Hey world! I ate Ethiopian snails and now my head is going to fall off! Here, look at the test results yourself."
The 'fact' that GERS announced to the world that they filed means they were the 'patient' and had the right to do so.
I don't see much benefits for the other 'patients' (infringing companies) announcing to the world (and their shareholders) "Hey guys, gals or whatever gender you choose, GERS filed their appeal against us. Whoohoo! Now we get a chance to go to court where we could lose and our stock prices will plummet."
But what do I know... I just ate some really great tasting Ethiopian snails.
Ha! What a joke.
Something is going on and it is not good.
Good news comes out but just BEFORE the news came out, there was larger-than-normal trading. And then new posters. And then HUGE volume. And for all this the stock price is miserable.
And now, a whole slew of new posters...
Yep. A joke. And it is not good.
Hopefully management is not behind it, but suspecting massive dilution going on. Guess I'll see in the next filings.
Looking more like some kind of game going on with certain people regarding VYST
Getting hit by good news is waaaaaaay better than getting hit with a rock!
Interesting how quiet the company has been for so long now. Sent an email to Quality Stocks and did not receive a reply. I asked if DNRG was still in business.
So, yep, getting some good news would go a long waaaaay.
exactly.
they are here to play and make money.
such is the market. buyers/sellers.
what has me curious is how the stock has languished only to have the regular good news that is preceded by larger-than-normal trades BEFORE the news is released...
Thinking the company is diluting or has some conversions taking place.
Now, thinking the classical 'pump and dump' by some of the usual characters...
but, I'll take whatever comes profit wise.
What fun!
All of sudden the Ihub players are playing.
Charts. Fibo numbers. rah rah rah...
Okay though, been here a long time. News is good. Recent insider purchase a couple of days ago. A good product. Good management, better than Doyle.
Fun to watch the 'player' make money while leading the sheep to their designs. Good for them.
Rah! Rah! Rah! (thud)
Nice volume. Best volume in months. Stock price though, not as good. Almost like someones converting or the companies diluting.
Noticed another poster with many followers. Could it be some of those people decided to buy some VYST? Nice, either way. Good to see someone else even a bit interested in this most boring of companies.
If the company is diluting or someone is converting, definitely not good.
Also, in case anyone reads this and has not followed this company for years... Keep in mind, the insiders have stopped buying. The old management used to do a lot of insider buying yet not now.
Thinking the company has a good future based on this years news but, we'll see. I'd buy more but I have way too much invested already.
You're correct. POS board only has 66 posts with the last one being 6 years ago.
Thanks for sharing. Never knew POS was an actual entity.
DNRG however, had a good day today. When it reach .10 I'll be very happy indeed.
You're close... I am guided by nothing of this world, in fact, I bow to nothing of this world or actually, many worlds. 'Misguided'is a connotation of 'straying from the truth or common held belief in a situation/belief' or in this particular discussion, 'the future of GERS as it now goes to court in pursuit of appeal'.
One 'thing' I'm very good at doing is placing 'myself' inside the minds of others... So, in the case of those many infringing companies, even those 'protected' by their 'big brother' I would/am sweating profusely with the very great potential of losing a lot of capital at an appeal.
History of court settlements, commonly known as 'out of court' settlements occur very, very, often. Thus, If I knew my financial survival could be at risk of destroying my company, I most definitely would seek a settlement with the person/company going after me.
Many have stated they felt the mediation attempt was a failure and waste of time... I disagree, for many reasons.
Now, the company has officially entered the appeal arena. Great! Good news! I truly desire the company to win and profit immensely so we all (investors) can profit greatly.
The appeal could fail. It could succeed. At least then, all venues of satisfaction would have been explored.
I disagree with your assessment that if any companies reach a settlement with GERS, that the industry-wide validity of the patents would not be upheld. We already know the US patent office HAS already upheld the validity. A winning of appeal or settlement by SOME companies along the way to the final decision by courts... that would not only be good entertainment but profitable at the same time. Now, if you'd care to clarify your statement with reasons as why, it would be appreciated.
Settlement. Royalties. Winning the appeal... all sound sound and excellent to me. Capitulation. Vindication. Profit. Success... Those words too, are excellent.
Thank you for thinking and opening your mind to me, it provided me a reason to state some opinion on my part.
And, as I've said to you many times over the years, good investing to you.
Okay, okay, men mayhave gone to the moon but what if Armstrong secretly thought he was a woman instead?
As for GERS going to the moon... I'd settle for it if it made it to Detroit, maybe even some exotic place such as Franks BBQ Grill and Steaks located in Tulipilo Mississippi.
Total destruction... Now that sounds fitting for the times.
Dutch, the map you showed showing Holland(s)... Did you see the way the blue lines drew the head of the Teradactyl eating the soul of Florida? Government conspiracy I'd say. Maybe the SEC should be alerted?
And finally, I personally would like to thank you for the link to a very eye-opening video... I was an orphan dropped at the doorstep of a home; left in a shoebox. My adoptive parents were great but I've been searching for my family roots... and YOU found them! I always have wondered why stuff came out of my fingers, especially after drinking a lot of beer...
Seriously though, it will be interesting to see how GERS now weaves through the appeal process. I'm thinking infringing companies,(individually) will start to offer a settlement. But, we'll see. Oh oh, my finger is...