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wbmw - Agreed that those two haven't been cooperative, but they didn't refute any charges, either. That NEC bit sounds a lot like Bill Clinton and "what the meaning of the word "is" is". It seems they'll have plenty of cooperation from others, though.
chipdesigner - Unfortunately, we(or at least I as an assistant moderator) can only remove posts for very specific reasons, and "off-topic" is not among them. I don't know if Keith has more latitude, but appealing to Matt is probably the best path.
Paul
PS. Y'all might do well to "IGNORE" some of these folks; as a mod I get the dubious joy of enduring them so I can make sure nothing really needs to be removed according to the guidelines I have to work within.
wbmw - Perhaps you ought to read the articles you linked to again. Those companies didn't refute anything, they merely objected to the subpoenas on technicalities.
Paul
tecate - I wasn't supporting anyone, just noting the irony.
tecate - re: "I realize quite a lot, but why waste bandwidth with droids?
A touch ironic don't you think, considering the post quoted(from) above and the next 5 posts were yours!
DARBES - But you have to keep all those folks warm that bought the Opteron systems! Granted, it'd be cheaper to use Xeons, but *the prestige!*
;)
DARBES - Combo Server/Space heater unit for the cold winter months, shut down during non-winter months?
;)
NaS - Perhaps his metric was "helps Intel".
Article with McGrath tidbits from Pacifica presntation.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1877794,00.asp
WT - re: pics - captions. Your comment is the earliest then that I've heard of 65nm CPU samples.
Paul
WT- AFAIR AMD didn't say before that they had made 65nm processors, but SRAMs.
The empty cleanroom shots are old, by the way.
Paul
wbmw - Perhaps you ought to check out GamePC a little closer before making such a judgement. Despite the name, they're not just a game PC company.
Paul
smooth - Ever heard of growth? I imagine Chartered will not be producing their high performance products, more likely Semprons; that will allow AMD to focus their own capacity and expertise on the higher-end stuff.
smooth20 - and you have assumed that they "need" to. Perhaps they have chosen to in order to take market share quickly and establish a position while they have such a strong hand.
No one expects the wide disparity between AMD and Intel to continue interminably. It will narrow or even close, but this time, AMD's position will be far deeper and more diverse than ever before. (And who knows, it may even come about that AMD eventually becomes the major player in the market!)
With increasing yields and capacities, they can take advantage of lower prices to spur new sales that wouldn't have come about otherwise for either side.
Keith - A large locked-in order?
alan81 - Well, I can clearly see that the packaging is different, notches in the substrate, different pin pattern and different layout and number of caps on the bottom. Whether or not that means a different die is still unknown from the pictures, though.
I wonder if Kyle has it in hand? A response below to my e-mail to him. The smiley makes me wonder. Well, if he does, we'll soon hear if higher speeds are supported, and whether or not it's official.
"Yes it would. :)
___________
Kyle Bennett
Editor-in-Chief
HardOCP.com
-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:20 AM
To: kyle@hardocp.com
Subject: re: M2 shot
Kyle,
Sure would be interesting to know if it will support higher speed DDR2,
regardless whether it's "officially" supported!
Paul"
aleph0 - Apparently that's socket F.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/09/amd_socket_m2_desktops/
First M2 bootscreen shot I've seen. A little typo there, I'm sure he meant to write 940, not 240 pins.
From HardOCP announcements section
http://wwww.hardocp.com/
"Posted by Kyle 6:51 AM (CDT)
AMD Socket M2:
Here are two pictures of AMD's working Socket M2 processor. This particular unit is running at 2.4GHz. You will notice the "extra" M2 pin bringing the total pin count up to 240. Just to note that we are not showing you a current 240-pin Opteron, you will notice that the areas that are void of pins are in spaces other than what you would find on a Opteron processor. This processor is also lacking the usual ceramic Opteron substrate. The second picture shows the POST screen where we have highlighted "AMD Engineering Sample" along with the noted DDR2-667 memory bus speed.
"
chipguy - Easy to do if you don't believe your **** stinks! Sorry I couldn't resist the setup. ;)
Paul
CJ - Nice that they're using up-to-date CPUs.
"Figure 14 shows the performance scaling of HORUS for an OLTP application.
We used a cycle-accurate performance model and a short sample of traces for TPC-C
benchmarks (version 5.1) at steady state. We assumed that Opterons were running at 2.8GHz and had a 400-MHz dual-data-rate (DDR) DRAM and a 1GHz HT link. The
HORUS core ran at 500 MHz, with off-chip RDC memory implemented using a 250-
MHz DDR-FCRAM. The estimated hit rate for RDC and Directory was 90 percent."
Looks like they're going to call it "Scalable SMP Architecture"
From the Anandtech Phil Hester article
Horus coming soon.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26948
wbmw - I wasn't referring to cooling solutions, more the MB power delivery side of things.
chipguy - Yeah, keep whistling...
...through the graveyard
wbmw - re: "I've always wondered why AMD purposely makes their CPUs less competitive by giving them thermal design points that are so high above measured values."
Because they want their partners to have as few surprises as possible. This way they know they can design their MBs et al, for a given power consumption and generally be safe throughout the life of the given AMD product line.
Paul
TOS violations have been rampant here lately. Unfortunately, neither Keith nor I have had much time to deal with it. I've been dismayed by the dearth of maturity on display here.
It's really degrading the quality/usefulness of the board.And it's not just one "side" or the other, either. It would be nice if folks would get themselves under control and stick to the issues without name-calling.
Paul
alan81 - re: "Again, to reiterate a point from WBMW, Intel is supplying about 85% of the CPU market with 3 full factories (one of which is a smaller development factory) while AMD is supplying the remaining 15% with one full factory. The math I would do on that would say Intel is getting quite a bit more out of each factory than AMD is. Also, note that Intel builds a few things besides CPU's in those three factories...
--Alan
"
Isn't that a touch misleading, since Intel's are 300mm fabs, while AMD's is 200mm? Since the 300mm fabs each will give @ 2.25 the theoretical output of the 200mm? 4.5 x 15% = 67.5% at AMD's rate, without even counting the smaller fab. Sounds to me like they're not too dissimilar. Granted, that doesn't take into account the other items Intel makes, but it also doesn't take into account AMD's "wasteful" cache size.
Paul
Reseller Mike - Are you in the NC area? Couldn't hurt to know someone good to get stuff from. Just had a terrible experience with cyberpower!
Paul
Gotcha!
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/09/29/ex-amd_man_fined/
A former AMD inventory planner was yesterday sent to prison for more than three years for accepting bribes totalling $1m from Citiraya Industries, a Singaporean electronics recycler.
Ex-employees from Seagate, STMicro and 3M were also sentenced by the Singaporean court to jail terms of four weeks, 13 months and four weeks, respectively. The four - Johnny Seow Teck, Chang Kar Yang, Francis Wong Chin and Bobby Teh Ah Bah - were also fined between $11,800 and $945,600.
District Judge Wong Keen Onn at the Subordinate Court said the hefty fines, described by local lawyers as more harsh than usual, were intended to send a strong warning that corruption within publicly-listed companies will not be tolerated.
The convictions, reported by Singapore's Business Times, arose from claims that Citiraya principals had offered technology company workers financial incentives to turn a blind eye to the resale of products scheduled for destruction and recycling.
According to the paper, the four convicted yesterday were among 11 people so far charged over the affair. Among those who have yet to appear before the court are Citiraya CEO Ng Teck Lee and his brother, Ng Teck Boon, Citiraya's former assistant general manager. He faces 193 charges of falsifying accounts and bribery. ®
Smooth - The business community understands power bills quite well, wouldn't you say?
Paul
Smooth - No, no hate. Garbage backed by 300M of marketing $ is still just garbage. OK, maybe "garbage" is overstating it a bit. But it's certainly not cutting edge like they try to make it sound; it's a system born with a birth defect, and will die very shortly. While K8 and its follow-ons, as well as Intel's real plans for the future(not the dual-core junk they're pushing now), will thrive.
Paul
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Tom's actually had a relatively positive review of the HP nx6125! Will wonders never cease?
http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20050927/index.html
AMD has quite an ad running at news.com right now. It pretty much fills the whole display at 1024x768, then shrinks down to a more normal size ad after a bit. Interesting technique, I hadn't seen it used before.
It's a dual-core/"AMD in the Enterprise" online series Event #3 ad.
Paul
http://news.com.com/
BUGGI1000 - re: Itanic - amen to that!
Keith - Business is good? I hope AMD is involved! :)
Keith - Maybe mid-2002, during the Tbred A debacle?
b2l - AMD's doing better, that's what.
Asus TForce 6150 MB page active, but no pic or info yet.
http://www.asus.com/products3.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=210&slname=NVIDIA%20GeForce%206150%20+%...