You're right Ocho that this a bargain stock, but just like your family and friends there are unlimited potential investors that would invest if only they knew the facts. All of you invested knowing the negatives like no revenue, etc., so why would we possibly keep new investors from making the same decision?

A pps of .30-.50, whatever, would solve a myriad of problems currently facing KBLB. A PC at Notre Dame could be the impetus needed to accomplish that, and more if media recognizes the potential uses for the public.

Doesn't matter if the pps is .10 or .50, when the home run comes KBLB will go thru the roof. But what damage to investments thru dilution occurs before that happens? Any investor that has to sell shares must do so at .10, instead of whatever, causing unneeded financial losses to someone that made a good faith investment in KBLB.

Guess it all depends on who's driving the bus, and how expensive the ticket's gonna be.

Really? If that's the case, then the information investors are getting from Kim must be negative enough to warrant not investing. If they're being told the future financial plan is to sell many millions of shares at around .10 to pay for operating costs, or tens of millions to pay for a production company, that's a big negative.

On top of that, if they're being told there's really no plan to lessen the dilution thru new investment, at least not until products are produced, that's a big negative considering any timeline will depend on further successes in lab.
Could be months, could be years, dilution of shares could be huge.

You're right about this stock not being for everyone, but it should be. I was one of the quiet ones for a year until I realized everybody that posted seemed pretty satisfied with the pps. I think there's alot of "quiet types" that have done their DD and are very unhappy with the pps. There's two camps here, yours that wants a low pps to accumulate shares and wait for the home run no matter how long it takes, and mine that wants a higher pps built on the true market value of KBLB. Pretty simple.

Scenario:

I'm an investor not happy with the up and down market, so I'm looking for a company with potential whose stock is still fairly cheap. I stumble on the KBLB website, see the video from the original Notre Dame PC, and realize exactly what the potential future of KBLB could hold. Shocked that it's a penny stock, I can only assume the science just doesn't support the claims.

Doing DD I find out a "platform worm" (whatever the hell that is) has been produced in the lab and is apparently a huge step forward toward the many goals of KBLB. Furthermore, I am impressed not only by the Notre Dame involvement but also by the intellectual board of KBLB.

After doing DD on the financials, the only questions I would ask before investing is why this stock is selling for .10, why I haven't heard of KBLB before, and since this company is supported solely by stock how much dilution will occur before any rise in the pps.

I would see that millions of shares being issued for operating costs, and the plan to issue millions, perhaps tens of millions at .10 or lower, would severely impact any investment.

Still, recognizing the potential of KBLB, I really want to invest. I realize the same facts that enticed me to KBLB would be the same for any investor lucky enough to discover KBLB. My main concerns before investing would be the reasons for the low pps, as well as the very fact I had to be lucky to even find KBLB among the thousands of stocks to invest in.

Something isn't right here, a company with this potential tied to Notre Dame should be besieged with new investment and media coverage. The pps should be much higher, lessening the dilution, yet it continues to be .10.

Bottom line, I can't get by the lack of exposure of KBLB, and why. What reason could there possibly be to keep it a secret from new investors other than the science is faulty or it's simply a scam, or perhaps the company is content with the low pps? Too many questions that could be answered but haven't, can't risk investment in a stock headed for unknown dilution without any plan for new investment. As difficult as it was to find KBLB, I can't see much new investment so I can wait for a few months, keep doing DD, and probably still pick up stock at .10. But the potential is incredible.

Let me get this right, I'm a like a little girl throwing a tantrum because I lost my Christmas money. Well, I'm either that, or someone who just wants a higher pps that will at the very least lessen dilution.

Well Retro, since you're here accumulating shares, I guess you weren't one of those investors to whom I was referring.

Hard to get a pop if you won't load the gun.

I wasn't referring to you, King, see you on here all the time. I have nothing to say about the rest.

What did the pro have to say? Capitalization cannot come from new investors? You keep saying the market is what it is, and nothing is going to change that until production of a product. Would the pro recommend to ANY company in the financial position KBLB is in just continue on the same course? Or would he suggest raising capital by presenting new successes and reminding the public of incredible potential uses of their product?

The market is influenced by many factors, not the least being company recognition which leads to new investment. Guess what, we don't have any.

Well, when I keep posting for a press conference at Notre Dame and the opposition, including you, keeps referring to that as PR fluff, then I don't see how I can take it any other way.

I have answered EVERY question or argument presented, most of them over and over. To answer this question, I have no idea what investors would do with a .50 pps, either it would be sustained by the confidence of investors or it would fall according to the market. But it would be built on new investment, something that I perceive to be unwanted by current investors.

Fluff prs? That's your description of a press conference at Notre Dame?

If it's all about percentages, what percent of the investing public has heard of KBLB? Of them, what percentage have done the DD to find the real potential of KBLB? Oh that's right, it's redundant to share that information in the hope of attracting investment.

Right now, .50 could be the pps and it would be built the same foundation that .10 is currently built on. We don't know cause we won't try.

Really? I disagree that the market has decided this price, so why don't we try one simple thing to see who's right? With all respect to an earlier post, Notre Dame would be very pleased to claim credit for lab success at this point, especially of a procedure that could potentially revolutionize industries.

Who would ever invest in a company with one employee, no revenue, no end goal achieved? All of us is the answer, as well as multiple new investors if they're presented with the information we have.

Let the market decide the price. If a press conference doesn't attract new investors we haven't lost anything, if it does the new investment could raise the pps to record levels.

Here to stay, not gonna go away.

I have no intention of letting this issue die, not until someone presents an intelligent argument that justifies keeping the pps so low. What surprises me is the silence from the majority of investors in KBLB, doesn't anyone but me want to see a pps as high as the market will bear? Does everyone want to wait for Kim to buy a company for production, or the first silk dress to be made? Everyone happy with the time frame for this to happen,oh that's right, there is no time frame. Everyone happy with the future financing plan to sell millions of shares at .10 for operating costs, or tens of millions for a company?

What's happening is obvious, and I'll continue to educate investors on the facts until I get a satisfactory answer.

Not to worry, we may be down .005 for the day, but the good news is there won't be anymore lab successes for a while. Only wish I had funds to buy at this pps., picking up shares at this price will make some very, very, rich. Growing your shares at this pps is very smart strategy, but it's only limited to a few.

Keep r low and let r grow

Notre Dame put that prestige behind KBLB at the original press conference, think they wouldn't want the publicity that would follow a press conference by Kim to update the successes that have taken place there?

Yes, that information was new, just as it would be new to all those potential investors, and then some. I keep hearing that no new investors would be interested in KBLB, the market won't bear any higher pps, take advantage of these "buying opportunities", information is there investors just have to find it, etc. etc.

How about a press conference that attracts hundreds of investors? How about a pps higher than ever before? WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE?

Really? The only way I see a catastrophic drop in the ppps. is continuing on the present course until the dilution of shares ruins the company.

The question remains whether investors are satisfied with the current pps, or whether we want a pps that should be consistant with what the market determines? Since the potential commercial uses of KBLB are so many, taking it to the public could raise the pps greatly.

Again, press conference at prestigious Notre Dame is not possible for ANY penny stock other than KBLB, to not take advantage is not in the best interest of KBLB or most current investors.

Really? Millions of investors watching Kim present the successes of the lab and what future successes are being strived for. How do these successes relate to the unlimited commercial uses KBLB forsees for it's products? And this would bring in 10-12 investors? Hundreds of us were convinced by less information and greater risk, but apparently you feel new investors are wiser than us thus won't be enticed by that information.

The argument keeps being made of the cost of PR and KBLB doesn't have the money. Press conference at Notre Dame, not the usual penny stock PR, would cost nothing. Notre Dames' prestige in the public is a giant plus for KBLB, to not take advantage of this very unwise.

Go KBLB!! Down a little on the pps, don't worry when that first silk dress hits the stores we'll tell everyone it was KBLB. There's a couple of problems with the secrecy strategy though:


1) When will that finished product be made, 3mo.-6mo.-1-2 years? With the financial past of KBLB, how diluted will the shares just so Kim can keep the doors open?

2) How many investors that once considered themselves long are forced to sell against their will because the pps has been so low for so long. ? The fact that many current investors have added stock at this level, buying up those sells, belies the argument that KBLB wouldn't be attractive to new investment.

Don't need a explosion, just show new investors the smoke and they'll find the fire. Anybody else want to see the pps at .20-.30-.50 etc, where it should be depends on the market, let's let the market decide.

I would love to see an explosion, but barring that I would love to see some smoke at least. Not ONE argument has been presented that justifies keeping the pps so low, other than the "buying opportunities" a few can take advantage of.

"the potential is endless" Many thousands of investors have never heard of KBLB, I'm sure they'd like to hear about a company with endless potential and the science to succeed. It may be redundant to current investors, but that's no reason to refuse to present it to the public. I'm not going to keep posting what I'd like to see at a PR (press conference), just reaffirm the science and expound the endless commercial possibilities. I'll ask again a question that still has not been answered, what is the downside?

It's pretty difficult to set a market cap on a product with so many potential commercial uses, but then why don't we just trot out the facts and let new investors decide. At the very least it will entice investors to do DD on KBLB and maybe drive the pps to record levels.

You're probably right, but not much to be done about that now. What can be done is to attempt to raise the pps thru simple means so Kim isn't forced into anymore deals just to pay the bills.

Why did you first invest in KBLB? It wasn't because there was a finished product that you were shown. None of us were hard sells once we did DD on KBLB, so why would the market be so closed to the potential of KBLB? Why would we possibly refrain from taking action that could raise the pps to where it should be, and that's were the market will take it. The science is the heart of KBLB but it alone will not attract investors, it must be coupled with an explanation as to what that science means in commercial value. Kim has alot of expenses to pay, and I don't think diluting KBLB stock at .10 is very wise considering the lack of upward movement even after break-thru lab success.

You didn't wait for a commercialized product before investing, nor did I or any other current investors. Do you think potential investors will see KBLB differently than we did before investing?
If companies waited for a finished product before making an effort to raise investment very few would survive financially, especially paying for operating costs by unnecessarily selling shares at a low pps. Companies sell potential, and that is what we should be doing to raise the awareness of KBLB, not hide it. The worst that could happen in such a venue as Notre Dame is that no investment is added, but even that would at least put KBLB out there for DD. The best is new investment and perhaps attention from the media as to the incredible work going on at KBLB. I really don't see a downside, nor has anyone explained one to me.

"PPS reflects what the market is willing to pay for it and that depends on how they perceive it" Hey ZF, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Due to the silence from Kim regarding the potential of KBLB the market doesn't perceive it to be anything worth investing in. As long as we depend on lab successes to attract investors our pps will remain low, as proven by the last few days. And many investors don't have the income for "buying opportunities", and I for one would like to see a steady rise in the pps instead of waiting for months-years to hit a home run. Your understanding of the science is impressive, but potential investors need to "perceive" KBLB as a opportunity to make money and that is not being accomplished at this time.

Well, with all due respect Buck, I think all 4 examples deserve argument:

1. I didn't invest in KBLB because a product was sold, I did for the potential that it held. So did everyone else on this board, and it was that press conference at Notre Dame that sold the incredible potential of KBKB. Potential is what sells stock like KBLB.

2. This isn't advertising bought and paid for, simply a press conference that would cost nothing.

3. If true, then great, but it's no reason for not wanting a increase in the stock value.

4. This is a decision made by new investors as to whether they believe in KBLB, just as it is with current investors.

I don't feel there is ANY downside to this, virtually a win-win situation for investors.

Really? Well that's great news Red. Let's get that first PR conference going, I'm positive Notre Dame would fully support it and that would only add to the message.

"if the price today in unacceptable, don't accept it." That's exactly what I'm doing, and I also don't accept the present course that will keep the pps as low as possible. You propose we wait for sales? How long will that take, years? What possible reason could there be for not informing potential investors of the very facts and potential of KBLB?

Well thank you Red, for your support, but I wanted an e-mail so I could post his answer word for word so there would be no questioning the accuracy. But I expect a positive response and if not, then intelligent reasons why PR can't or won't be used to raise the pps.

I agree with everything you say, but the initial press conference at Notre Dame should be considered vital. If he can reaffirm the success of the lab, and what those results possibly mean to the average person who will eventually buy Monster silk, etc. then new investors will see the potential of KBLB and the pps will skyrocket!

Well, somebody's strategy is working, picking up 80k and lowering the pps at the same time.

Almost a million shares traded, pps down slightly. Since this is on the heels of ground-breaking news from lab success, the pps is totally unacceptable.

My opinion that KBLB should be more aggressive in attracting new investors, most who have no idea of the potential of KBLB, was not received well on this board. I would suggest that apparently many feel that keeping the pps low will enable current investors to accumulate stocks at a reduced price. Never mind the dilution of stocks to pay operating costs, something that could be drastically reduced with a higher pps. Never mind that many KBLB investors want a higher pps, something they counted on when investing. There is no reason what-so-ever to keep the potential commercial uses of KBLB from being presented to investors, other than a desire to keep the pps as low as possible. Current financial problems have investors looking for investments that are relatively safe and potentially profitable, which KBLB has proven to be. I e-mailed Ben and Kim with these suggestions, and hope to hear that they agree with the win-win idea of a presentation at Notre Dame expounding the future of KBLB.

Do you have Ben and Kim's e-mail addresses, tried to find them but couldn't. It's not the corporate e-mail I assume. Appreciate any help.

I'll do exactly that, but does anyone see a downside?

Is there anyone other than me that would like to see some sort of presentation from Kim, perhaps at Notre Dame, that would not only reaffirm the lab successes of KBLB but also talk about the potential commericial uses that are possible. What could it do other than attract new investors, driving up the pps not on the usual penny hype but on facts? I think new investors would love to invest in the potential of KBLB, we just seem to want to keep it a secret. I would think Notre Dame would fully support a presentation on ground-breaking science that was done in their labs. This is a win-win idea for everyone involved, especially for investors that want to see a higher pps that will continue to go up as new investors take note of the potential of KBLB.

If the goal of KBLB is to keep the pps as low as possible then following your strategy is logical. If we don't want new investors, or try to establish public knowledge of KBLB, then your strategy is logical. If you want the pps low so we can all accumulate more shares then your strategy is logical. I can only assume you are very happy with the pps, but when I invested in KBLB I didn't do so with the expectation that the pps would be kept low due to lack of exposure.

Maybe I missed it, but the last time I saw Kim present any PR that promotes the commercial uses of KBLB science was the initial presentation with Notre Dame. KBLB is not selling the science to investors, it's selling the potential commercial uses. There are thousands of stocks and companies to invest in, trick is to get potential investors to take notice of KBLB and do DD. You're not going to get that without the PR needed to put KBLB before the public. Can Monster silk be turned into silk dresses, shirts, etc. that will last 10x longer that normal silk? If the science continues to be successful, what is the potential in the areas of medicine, etc. It's not what we know about KBLB and it's potential, it's the information prospective investors are presented with.

What does the success of creating a "transgenic silkworm" mean to many investors? To expound the successes of KBLB lab work is fine, but that alone doesn't grab the attention of investors as would a PR from Kim that explains the potential commercial uses he expects that science to attain. Textiles, medical, etc., the potential of KBLB is limited only by the success of the science. Kim puts the science out to investors on a extremely limited basis and maybe that is smart, but doing PR that honestly represents KBLB's future commercial uses would draw the attention of investors.

The apparent success of KBLB in regards to the science involved is only one aspect needed to draw investors, another is a layman's explanation of the potential commercial uses. Kim doesn't need to give away any secrets, just another PR with a explanation of what he sees as the future uses in textiles as well as other industries. Most investors dont know squat about silkworms, but they can certainly understand the commercial potential of MonsterSilk, etc.

What would be the strategy in holding the pps down, other than buying more shares at a slightly lower price? Low pps means any funding Kim deems necessary will require a significant higher dilution than it should be, lowering the share price for everyone. Maybe keep the pps low, buy Kim's offered shares which will further lower the pps, then buy all the shares of investors that have to sell at a drastically reduced pps. Make sense to anyone?