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I asked you 3 questions. You replied with a 3 1/2 year old article about a man that bought land around Success loop to cut the wood and sell it.
I also have to ask (and pardon me if these question have already been asked) a few questions to you, Spencer (also to BNHR):
What is in this for you that makes you wish failure upon Laidlaw?
If you are so certain of Laidlaw's failure, why do you waste your time and efforts in this forum?
You do know that this is a forum for investors who are risking their (not yours) money in a company in which they all predict will succeed. You spend your time posting negatively about LLEG in an effort to do what? Persuade? What is the purpose? Surely, you are not a fortune-teller and are warning us of an impending doom and being a good Samaritan? Then what?
I really am interested in your reply.
Clear cutting? The only problem that I see is that the forests have too much high quality wood that might not be used for burning.
Where do you hear this rubbish?
Doesn't hold any weight. The Berlin Pulp and Paper mill, combined with the numerous other mills in the area all operated for decades on the same supply without any rumors of a wood shortage.
I just provided an actual historical scenario. You provided a JPEG.
As stated before, the Berlin area HAS supported a mill that was producing 1000 tons of wood product per day. This is in conjunction with the Groveton mill producing a similar wood product!
The Berlin area CAN and WILL support this project. It's a great time for investment!
Some PRO-LAIDLAW talking points for you all:
There has been a lot of discussion about the supply of wood in the Northern part of Coos county and in NH in general. Here's some food for thought: In the 80's when the current Fraser pulp and paper mill was James River Corporation, the two plants were producing up to 1000 tons of chips a day! Wood (Pulp) is broken down into differing categories: Softwood, Hardwood, low-grade, etc. But regardless, the source is still the same: trees. The Berlin area supported this mill for many, many years because of the great abundance of wood. Wood was brought to the area by rail and also by truck. There was never any supply issues or transportation issues. Also, while the Berlin mill was producing 1000 tons of wood product, the Groveton mill was also producing up to 600 tons of product! That is a lot of wood and there was never any talk of a shortage of wood.
This is all info from some old mill workers that have worked the gambit of companies that have owned the mills and have been employed by the mills for 35+ years.
They also talked about the rail system, which they said needs improvement on about 2 miles. That is not a big deal at all.
One question that I wish to raise is concerning the events after a transaction is finalized. What sort of steps will be taken after regarding and Environmental Impact Study? Who conducts these and how long do they take to complete?
Can you explain this concept of AUTO?
Sorry, I am an engineer first, investor second!
This question is merely my attempt at gathering the opinions of others.
If (when) news comes out that the Berlin transaction has closed and has secured financing, what sort of results do you think we will see in terms of market value?
Been hitting F5 on that page for awhile. MB (The big guy) summed up my feelings of that article.
Good read for anybody!
Someone sold 4+ million shares right at the closing... What would be the reason for this?
Enjoy all! Isn't it great when things just... work?
http://www.greenbayroute.com/2002difco.htm - Side Dump Cars
http://www.uprr.com/she/emg/rail_v_road.shtml - Efficiency of trains... (No brainer, I would hope)
Where are your links? You get really excited about thinking you have exposed some "hidden issue" when all you are is blowing smoke. BNHR, People on this board are dealing with facts and are conducting DD to make sure that their investment choice is a good one. I have not seen any of this DD that you are claiming, but mere regurgitation of talking points that you have caught hold of. In instances such as this one, everyone needs to take a skeptical and objective point of view. Yours is one of cynicism and bias.
Matthew
Well I can't find anything supporting your claim, but please provide a summary of your DD with sources of where you attained this information.
Because you refused to answer my questions, I will.
Insulated cars are available for the COLD NH months (Mostly Jan-Feb) if this is an issue.
Rail Cars are unloaded much more efficiently than a truck. (The rails take the cars to exactly where they need to be, no room for driver error.) Not to mention that there are cars that can be unloaded by the side (Whole side swings open).
Rail is much more efficient from a cost-savings perspective.
You have nothing on this issue and you still choose to be snarky about it. Give me something SOLID to chew on.
Matthew
This is twice now that you've spoken of frozen wood chips and it really seems to make you giddy.
What is causing these wood chips to freeze inside of a rail car? Could insulated cars not be used? As I recall, wood is a great insulator and also has a low heat capacity, meaning that it is easily brought back up to a heat that would thaw these so-called "frozen chips". Much less energy would be required to do so than to bring, say, water up to temperature.
Also, why would unloading a rail car be any more challenging than a truck?
You are loling a lot, but I think that is only because you don't have anything here that you can really sink your teeth into.
Get back to me with answers to my questions.
There is a rail system that runs right to the proposed plant. Oil transports used to use the system to bring oil to the paper mill. I had a friend that worked one summer unloading the oil cars.... Awful job from what he told me.
100mw or 100MW?
I can make 100mw in my basement... 100MW, not so much.
I do know that it is 6 miles from Gorham to the Maine line. It is 5 miles from Berlin to Gorham. That leaves about 19 miles into Maine.
Plus that 30 mile radius is very ambiguous. It easily could be 45+.
I have! I spent 18 years of my life as a Gorham, NH resident! He still remembers my mom when she was 18 and points that out whenever we see him!
Bobby Hagget? I've got a picture with that guy. He's a celebrity.
What about the the wood in Vermont and Maine? Don't forget that NH is not very wide in the northern part of the state. A 30 mile radius extends into Maine and also Vermont.
I agree whole-heartedly, the energy crisis is not a red or blue problem, but OUR NATION'S PROBLEM!
New Hampshire has always been the most Red of the New England States.
I am not at UNH campus today or tomorrow. I will return on Thursday morning.
You know that sounds like a great idea and I think I will contact him.
Too bad Nesmith is a dump!!!
Woooo just found this little number in the Berlin Paper!!
Page 17
http://www.laconiadailysun.com/BerlinPDF/2008/8/8B.pdf
Dean's list!!!
Well it is taking an objective study and making conclusions based upon facts. I go to UNH, have access to all resources here and I still have yet to see any numbers to back-up the claim that Northern New Hampshire cannot support the proposed Biomass Power plant.
I do not see any problems with that objective analysis! Great work!
I love facts.
It is very true. It is important for Berlin (and its residents...) to understand the rich history of Berlin and understand that it is industry that has got it this far and will be industry to further enhance Berlin! Gorham was founded because of its proximity so close to the Presidentials while Berlin was founded due to its proximity to the Great North Woods and abundance of loggers.
Laidlaw will not put Berlin into an age of stagnant tourism. Berlin is already in one and bnhr SHOULD understand that by now! An ATV park will not help one bit (How many jobs will that provide?!), no one will finance a resort, and the Master Plan for Berlin should be simply to get it back on its feet!
I have a great feeling about Laidlaw from what I have read from the CEO and also about analyzing the situation in general. Berlin has the capability to support this project. It has the wood, it has the workers, it has the space.
I really do think bnhr is delusional. The common people of the area do not share his beliefs, nor for a second should you think that they do.
I hope everyone enjoyed the pictures. I took all of those and found them in my archived pictures folder.
Go Laidlaw!
Please do!
Sorry, Berlin guy, but there isn't a site in Berlin where you can get a view like you can from my back yard in Gorham :)
You'll be a happier person when you realize it is futile to try to make Berlin into a tourist area.
Cheers all!
Would have posted it earlier, but I didn't have it on my laptop!
GN all
Matthew
I'd be glad to show anybody the North Country. Truly wonderful people here that would bend over backwards for just about anybody! Now let's get these people some JOBS!
Offtopic: Pictures of Gorham and the Surrounding area part 1:
Taken near Conway, NH:
This is Gorham, NH (hometown) from atop a nearby hill:
Frozen Androscoggin River in Gorham:
Note: The building of the Laidlaw plant would not ruin ANY of these views.
Enjoy! If anyone cares for more, I shall post more.
As Tom says, Patience.
Found this little number in the Berlin Paper from a few days ago, I am going to try to hunt down the other three.
Some nice PR for the locals. My parents told me that they (and their friends in town) all support Laidlaw's proposal to build the plant.
There is definitely some sentiment on this board that does not accurately reflect the local's interest in this company's plans to move forward at the Berlin site.
It will be exciting to see who Laidlaw names. However, I am unsure about how another project will affect the project Laidlaw is already working on. This is a company yet to turn any words into revenue. If it all works, then even better! I am just hoping they understand the value of putting time and effort into one goal before venturing out into another. Maybe that is the engineer coming out in me and not the venture side!
So far, so good!
Matthew
This is meaning that Laidlaw will partner with this company, Suez? Can anybody clarify this?
This is all just speculation? Or has someone actually heard something?
I do absolutely realize that. The Noble project's windfarm is proposed further north in the Great North Woods region, around Errol.
Thanks for looking out, though!
It is true... The proposed farm apparently on Mount Jericho has been scrapped.
Tim, I am new to this board as of yesterday as I myself invested in LLEG. I was a resident of Gorham, NH for 18 years (From when I was born until, well, I was 18).
Also, for those of you who did not know (Thank you, Tim) you can keep up on news from Berlin with the link Tim posted. Just change the numbers around for the corresponding date that you wish to read.
Great!
WIND POWER IN NEW HAMPSHIRE:
http://www.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/windpoweringamerica/pdfs/wind_maps/nh_50m.pdf
I am interested to know more about Noble's proposal for a wind farm in NH. As my suspicions were correct, the only viable place for a wind farm would be atop one of NH's 4,000+ footers, all of which are protected National Forest.
Interested to hear more about this. It is still more viable to see a Biomass plant on zoned industrial land than a wind farm on top of nationally protected land.
Any ideas about this?
Also, I wanted to ask about what the effect of a deadline extension would have on Laidlaw? It seem that the news is not negative and, unless we are being lied to (doubtful!), then plans are moving forward just taking longer than expected. These litigation take time, and everyone just needs to have patience and not jump the gun as soon as a delay is reported.
I would also like to share a few articles with you all (proponents and foes alike).
http://www.westcoastdiesel.org/files/news/InsideGreentech_120806.pdf -Use algae as a biomass source! Very cool, but very far out.
http://www.des.state.nh.us/ARD/pdf/NHCPS.pdf -an article stating NH's claims to reduce emissions. Mentions Wood-burning a "benign" source of power in terms of CO2 emissions
http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/etaac/meetings/012508pubmeet/comments_received_since_12-12-07/turley2-nh_lca_report_05dec07.pdf - A UNH study about recycling Construction and Debris wood and other scrap. Very promising in terms of the life cycle of scrap wood to be reused as an energy fuel source. (Low pollutants with a positive yield! New Hampshire is going to like this)
Looking forward to reading more!
Matthew