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storm season is here, boys
Jabber can you point to a stock that is going through inverted shoulders program, and is going to break out into a triple like the one you mentioned?
I would find it most interesting to have you predict that
OT: no news?
hurricane chris forming in the tropics
"39 and change"
well, that about clears up that mystery
did he really say that?
what were his words?
39
and change could be 39 Billion
"and change" means what specifically?
could mean another 30-50 that's pretty subjective
oldbold
were you ever involved with BLTI stock board and yahoo! MB?
thanks
jabber
I can understand that you can point to the past, and say, "see? it happened just like it's supposed to"
the point is, there's no proof and it is impossible to think that you can do it forward looking....
period
andy
there was a report that showed that 107 % of the "float" of OSTK was shorted. Here is the link to that PR:
http://investors.overstock.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=131091&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=858225&highl...
Ok how does that situation relate to Grifco?
The recent short interest report show that the actual short interest for GFCI, which everyone has been creaming their jeans over is about less than 110,000 shares
here is the link for that:
http://otcbb.com/asp/OTCE_Short_Interest.asp
Now, the point, is for the stupid, uninformed or plain ignorant
that....(ready?)
THERE IS NO NAKED SHORT POSITION FOR GFCI STOCK
get it?
they reported and theres no short position. ALL THOSE SHARES HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED PRINTED AND SOLD BY THE COMPANY.
rock. solid. proof.
and yes I agree with you that any stock shorted without borrow and without borrow for 3 days much less 13 should be forcibly bought in, immeidately, regardless of david rocker's "extreme volitility" scenario.
I don't find any entry point by looking at a squigglyline
repeat after me
there is no such thing as timing the market
there is no such thing as timing the market
and again
....
you get the point
OT2
Well, I've never seen anythin that's going to "take off" because it crossed a line.
Can you point to a stock that's going to take off tomorrow, as it crosses a 200dma?
Or just an inverted head and shoulders, or triangle shape, can you show me one that's going to take off tomorrow or the next day?
Thanks I'm curious about how you go about finding one of these
'preciate it
...CHRIS SLIGHTLY WEAKER...
oh shit
http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/us/hurricane.html
thoth
it has been proven time, and time, and time, again
that there is no such thing as chart prediction, charts cannot predict anything at all and there is NO SUCH THING as successfully timing the market.
There has been study after study done, on the topic.
chart reading is bullsheet
complete and utter bull, nothing mroe, nothing less
the squiggly line theory!
Good one!
And I'm waiting till all this dumping stops before I get into more shares, the market valued wwen at .05 two weeks ago and I don't see any verifiable news that would change that. Now, if he tells the truth and the SB comes out in three weeks or less, that will be news and worth buying more into
haveaniceday
I pray Dial is just a slow learner and the third time is the charm. An otc bb would be great, and if he'd bought this one instead of litfiber well,.....And if Jarvis takes his 2+ million shares and goes long with the rest of us that would be great. However, if Jarvis takes those 2 million shares and starts shorting them after the big runnup on PR news, then you'll know Dial screwed the pooch for the 3rd time. 3 strikes and you're out
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This is a quote from the raging bull board. I wish that some of the people here understood market mechanics just a little bit better. First of all, the shorted shares are less than 150,000 in number. This means that there is NO fabrication of shares d/t the DTC printing them without borrow. There is NO false, or in common parlance here on this board, "naked shorting" being done. All the shares held, by all the people giving their numbers to BBB and to laserman are shares that have been issued and authroized by our one man BOD, da-da-da-da-dum DIALER!
Also, the above quote says that "jarvie-boy takes those 2 MM shares and starts shorting them",
If jarvie-jive has 2 million shares, he will be liquidating his long position as to "short" you need to NOT OWN the shares in the first place, and you don't need insider shares to "short" stock.
Please do some reading people, and you will understand the reasons that your account keeps going away like an ice cube left on the sidewalk, melting melting melting
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Cleverrox
I will answer that question, although 7 posts in two weeks is not a whole lot of time.
I sold all but my last 20,000 yesterday to move into a hurricane runner- NLST - doing well so far
If I would have known about the current effort to fenagle management into some kind of move (lasermans' share count and upcoming trip) I owuld have waited another day because everytime anyone get's close to actually doing something about these guys and their seemingly crooked ways, they put out another surprisng twist pumping PR about something that no one would have expected and get the chatter going in another direction to throw off the hounds for another few weeks.
I'm guessing another pump in a day or two, probably so jarivs can dump another couple million shares and dialer can buy himself another few weeks of calling himself "CEO"
I have just enought to pay for a car if GFCI ever gets its act together and orchestrates a real P&D like FHAL has going on right now- that CEO has got brass balls for sure
go NLST!
Question:
does anyone know how much dilution has happened since the stock was trading in the 6-10 range?
thanks!
dimension
yes dd does involve a LOT of verification of facts
I'm jus curious why you're so pompus so as to assume that someone will actually take their own time to do yours, for you, instead of what most of us do, the hard work for ourselves.
Amazing that you come here and ask that someone just give you the answers........
I can almost guarantee that you won't find a benevolent soul wanting to "help" you out with anything in the way of dd, I know I sure don't feel like passing along anything I've found out, to some snot nosed punk that wants eveything done for him
but good luck, maybe someone will come along and just hand you the information for nothing in return
yeah right
dimension why the hell would anyone take one ounce of effort to do anything for you in term of dd for this company?
Are you serious? Asking someone to forward something to you for what purpose?
please forward to me the proof of the company's existence...
thank you
geeze this board has gone way down hill
I guess it's a double edged sword that yahoo f'ed up their message boards so badly
what is hsm? tia
What a f'in joke
Listen, barbecue boy; you're hiding from the feds in litvania or wherever the hell you have your pillow these days, you've admittedly failed at many things, yes there's still no humility in your words, actions, or demeanor. You're talking about suing someone? What damages could they possibly cause? Tarnish your reputation?
LOL
It was saturday morning at 7:15 AM
I doubted anyone would be there
I was mainly wanting to get a look at the address board in front lobby to see if they really were in the building
it was locked
stocks, yes I can assume that people have taped dial, telling whatever he told, and the right searches MIGHT turn up some trading in accounts connected to insiders, but there's no form 4 process, so there's no tracking mechanism etc.
Besides, of the people who DID'T put their life savings into this stock who the heck is going to pay for the attorney's to gather this level of information, and the people who have really lost their shirts, probably aren't going to mount the $$ together to pay the tens and tens of thousands of legal fees to try suing them.
Besides, if these guys are involved in some sort of illegal activities, they are also smart enough to hide their money, so any judgement against them will be impossible to collect.
Hopes of jail time and fines will diminish as time goes by and people realize how stupid it was to trust a bunch of anonymous people putting out riduclous PR's about millions and millions of dollars in revenue etc etc etc
yes they do, andy
in the event that there are NO SEC filings, NO edgar filings, and a bunch of PR's that are careelessly worded and really poorly put together
there just isn't a case for any legal action
imagine the jury hearing you, when the defense attorney (if you really take it that far) reads to you out loud the last 10 PR's word for word and asks to you to try explaining what they meant.
And you put how much of your family's money there? Into a company that cannot coherently put together three sentences you put HOW MUCH?
Certainly you knew you were gambling, right?
"yeah but BBB said that they had it all together and it was just a matter of time! He even said that Jim Dial told him on the phone of 37 million shares outstanding. He said it on the I-hub mssage board"
did you ever MEET BBB?
did you ever MEET Jim Dial?
do you know how unlikely it is for a little machine shop to get 30MM in business handed to them in a shell and then turn that into 100MM in revenue in 1-2 years?
They know you'll look like a fool and won't follow up on it. Jarvis did something similar with LTBI and is he getting sued? NOPE
Andy,
Obviously, the company has NOT committed fraud. These people, dial, jarvis, lois, ryan etc are probably familiar enough with the laws to make sure they don't go over the edge. Obviously, since the attorney for dial got back to one shareholder, dial is being counselled, and all of the PR's are on the "forward looking" statement shelf. We hope. We aniticipate. We look forward to. In the coming weeks.
We make no guarantee, nor do we have the obligation to update shareholders on the unfolding of these events
Fraud?
Yeah right.
Besides, who is going to spend the time and money to sue them? They probably can tie it up in court for a long time, and like I said before, got good lawyers who are telling them exactly what can get them jail time.
If they are found to have commmitted fraud, they get a fine of $150,000 and cannot be CEO of publicly traded company ever again.......
would you take the risk of those punishments for a $19 million dollar paycheck?
I would surely consider it for a long while.....
Andy,
I have been giving running commentary on this situation for months and months now. At first I thought all the talk about the Jet Motor saving the oil industry with their 25% production increase per well, and $2 MM per month per each set of 50 rental units, was real.
I quickly became dis illusioned when there was no truthful talk out of shareholders or management about the realities of the situation, One, PR to the Next without follow through.
Here are my theoretical answers and opinions, (my opinions only, thank you) to your questions:
So I ask, what has happened to the buyout? There never was a legitimate buyout offer, or offers. If there were any on paper it was probably something someone's friends wrote down to make it stand from a legal standpoint. WHo in their right minds would offer millions and millions of $$ for a company without seeing their financial statements, and if they did see them without shareholders seeing them it would be fraud and the buyout would be nixed by the SEC.
When will I get my $2.25 per share of GFCI? never
Please give me the details of that very strange deal. see above, no one in their right mind would bid 75 Million or whatever blindly
What are the details of the several offers? there probably were not any offers in the first place. If they were they were fake , IMO
What is the status of our CTBG shares? Why have we not received them? you probably won't, IMO
What are the detaisl of the nebulous press release 2 weeks ago from Lyamec telling GFCI to wrap up the assets? Have they been wraped up?wrapped up and sold to you in a bill of goods that doesn't exist. you own a corporation, but that corproation probably doesn't own many if any real assets. And you don't know "how much" of that corp you own, anyways, You might own 1/37,000,000 or 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000 of it and Jim Dial will not tell you except from his own mouth. Nothing on paper,ever.
What is the oiffical share count of GFCI?you'll likely never know.
Who is on the board of directors?Jim Dial
who has Lyamec put on the board of directors as announced months ago?no one. They probably sold out of this nightmare a long time ago when they put out a PR and pumped the stock up to .30 briefly. Where do you think those 12 million or so shares came from?
How's that merger or buy out of the coil company going?they will pr the outcome by the end of the month (LOL)
I want to SEE THE BOOKS!I believe a shareholder asked to in writing and recieved notice from the attorney representing Jim Dial that no such thing would take place. IOW good luck with that one. You have no recourse. The money you spent on thsoe shares, is gone except for what you can get for them in the open market. Might get lucky and get another pump above 20, might now.....
GOod luck to you, sincerely
all of the above is MY OPINION
This is a really sad post. The fact that even BBB is desperate says mountains.
Give it up BBB, there's no riches at the end of this rainbow. Maybe an oily swamp you could filter for 1/74th of a barrel of texas sweet crude.
There is no evidence anywhere that jim dial has not been lying to you all along, and if there were, it would have come out already.
fringe
I have never even been aware of anything called EKWX much less had my a$$ kicked "off the board"
so I guess the answer would be, "NO" I do not remember
I am going to call the company this morning and ask about the revenue thing, because no one here seems to care
does anyone want to hear the answer?
ugh
what a trainwreck
I've been pumped and dumped again by a pinkie
when will I learn?
brikk, once again I'll speak to you any time.
It's not "proof",
it's PROOF!
I am calling your bluff.
Stop insinuating a liar out of me
you have/had your chance
When investing, I always want to hear from people with opposing viewpoints. I want to know if there is anything I'm missing. After carefully dissecting the other side's arguments, I may have more conviction about my position which allows me to hold through short-term volatility or increase my position. Conversely, I may discover facts or arguments that lead me to reduce my position. If I were long this stock, I'd be picking apart the "bashers" reports until I was completely satisfied that their arguments are without merit. If I couldn't do that, I'd sell. That's just common sense. "Bashers" most of the time have very impressive track records. You may dislike their motives, but dismiss the message at your peril. "Bashers never bash a bad stock". How many times you hear that lately? Tell that to the families that lost millions and millions in ENRON stock. The bashers were all over that one.......It's not easy accumulating and protecting wealth. Isn't your money important enough to you to do everything you can to protect it?
I saw this on another board and thought it was fitting to all the criticism I got yesterday for asking a question that no one seemed to want to answer:
Where does the "book value" come from that they cited. Book value is usually the liquidation value of close to it. If we distribute cash, and sell the equipment, and sell the land and all the work in progress and raw materials, and sell the IP, how much is distributed to shareholders after the bonds (debt) is paid.
I have never seen purchase orders (or prepurchase orders) divided by the number of shares and called book value....
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Thanks and looking forward to a great day.
BTW if I wanted to do damage to the stock I could have easily changed my tone, demeanor, and questions when I was on the phone with Michael yesterday during the MN1 interview!
I'm long I just want to make sure my $$ is as safe as possible with a "pink"- i know it's an oxymoron but that's my goal.
Anyone?
well< I got a few questions in ;)
didn't want to piss you guys off by asking how they got $17 book from 1.7B revenues
25 employees
1.5 years to revs
2-3 weeks to filings
several opportunities for joint ventures
this next guy after me is kind of a dick,
IMO of course
hey lowman
i never said trust me
hell, don't trust me at all, i care not about that
But I would really care for some intelligent discourse on the stock and mybe pennies in generalcause i don't seem to know shit when it comes to how they act.......
you seem to be knowledgable, respected, and well versed in this company. you seem to have held through a wild ride from <.05 to 50 and back again and aren't looking to sell too soon.
that last thing by itself was impressive enough.
you stated yesterday that people chased it up and said that you wish you could teach them something that it would have closed obove .35
I chased it
I don't buy pennies usually
I was just asking a question.
ps bill the trill I cannot short pennies. I am sure though, that with the right broker, and enough money in your account, they would let you do just about anyting you wanted to do. I know hedge funds can, and do even the american born ones.......
I wouldn't if I could, though,that was my point.
lowman,
no
1)I am intelligent enough to realize that nothing posted anywhere, on a message board, can move a stock. (unless it's of course part of a coordinated attack)
2)I thought that's how the Pr read,and wanted some clarification. That's all.
3)I am long 10k shares, and want to either cut it loose or pick up more as it trends down. Not big money but obviously if it's going to .05 I want to wait as long as possible. my first 5k was .35 second was .3. I'm way underwater.
just a born skeptic I guess. I been burned by many companies with real revs and real S filings, and real big name CEO's. I don't short stocks and surely not pennies. there's too much downside.
just asking honest questions.......
stupid as they may sound
thanks
jabber, I asked 2 questions earlier:
WHat's to say that this isn't going to retrace all the way to .05 or wherever it did last time it made a run towards 50?
The revenues are being stated as "book value"? Do I have that wrong? They have letter of interest to buy 1.7B worth of this biodiesel fuel and the company states that it has 100MM SOS and therefore the value of the stock is $17?
the first one is kind of facetious, of course there's no guarantee, but the second one
they've got "prepurchase offers" for 1.7 B in fuel, right? How does revenue all of a sudden turn into "book value"?
1.7B/100M sos = $17 book value is how I read the PR. Just curious if the people pay w2 to take the shitoff their hands so much so that there nets out no COGS, SG&A etc etc...
TIA
kewlman eaach time someone posts something like that, there's another downtick and often a new LOD
thanks a LOT!
LOL
thank you brikk
there's always one in the crowd
FYI I've bought a very small position and trying to evaluate the buyers remorse that ALWAYS, for me, follows a purchase of a risky investment.
I have been very successful (by my standards) investing over the last 8 yrs but still have a LONG TIME to come learnings and growing, and LOT to learn.
I have come to realize that the more HOSTILE the environment on e message board when someone questions basically anything at all, the MORE emotional the investment tends to be for people, and by hook or by crook the WORSE the investment turns out to be! case in point, go the fhal board and say that you've heard this might all be a scam. if your post isn't simply deleted, you'll be told to go shove it by at least 35 people!
SO, for all of those here being polite, answering my questions, and most of all being grounded in TOTAL REALITY that this stock might not hold .15 or even .10, but it probably will do quite well over time,
I gratefully thank you!
thanks for all the help, really people.
and just for you, brikk
GO F'IN W2! TO THE F'IN MOON WITH YOU BAD BOY! WHOOOO- HHOOOO!!!!!! $5 BY WEEKS END $100 BY SEPT!!!!!!
well, living, it hit .50 on what seemed to be "lesser" news.
That's what has me confused. If they've got a confirmed process, with patent protection, for really truly maing fule for .17 per gallon, then it's worht FAR more than what it's trading right now.
FAR MORE.
But, either the market doesn't believe them, or they are very undercapitalized and will need to go to the markets for more money, which is always dicey for a pink. OR they will try doing a R/S to get the mimimum bid up for a run at a AMEX listing.
Certainly should be acting better than this if its the technology they claim it is.......
despite the "MM shaking the tree" claims and the "MM LOADING UP" claims all I'm seeing is a slow bleed.
All IMO, of course.
but maybe I should be trying to find short positions rather than longs, I am much better at finding stocks about ready to go DOWN then UP, LOL
This stock is doing the same thing it did in May, when it went from .03 to .50.
Someof the same people here today were talking about "buying oportunities" when it got below .30 on that run, then it proceeded to get back down to $.05 again.
Are you people SURE you're not into a pump and dump scheme here?
I know that Lowman, et al are respected posters and knowledgable, but I see all this
"MM's just loading up for the big run" and
"smart money buying here for the next leg up"
and I saw that same stuff here in May
Just M.O. but I am beginnning to think that this talk is just optimism.
There's not any news of revenues for months and months to come.
They do NOT have the minimum bid for an AMEX listing, they are in Canada- known for it's pump and dump penny stock outfits.
AND the stock is going through a slow decline with very little signs of any support. Millions and Millions of shares were lured in on a triple in the hopes of a follow through. Isn't it possible that there was just a TON of shorting with only panic selling to come as these disgruntled "investors" try to sell and find their way to the next "big thing"?
thanks for answering honestly, I'm just trying to get the "big picture here"
I suspect this game is almost over
Oilstrike
how dare you doubt the good doctor
look here!
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=12191164
as for chez I don't want "instant gratification" I want the CEO to do something other than bluster and post on IHUB and threaten to sue people.
get the filings done like you said
answer the questions
truth shall set us free!
Yes, I do as a matter of fact.
I've got about 30K stashed away for "alternative investments"
things that could actually take a flyer and make HUGE returns.
I've got a thousand or two into this one because of the energy crisis (peak oil, simmons, kunstler, Leeb etc, and all) and this one looked as good as any.
For the person who called me "weak of stomach", sorry if I offended you or anything but insulting me didnt really help you did it?
I just wanted an honest answer to the questions.
I've seen it lots.
"This thing doesn't appear to be all that on the up and up, here's why __________"
"Then why don't you just go away and not post here and waste our time you stupid basher"
or something like that.
Does anyone want to help me understand this situation, please?
Pretty please?
thanks