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Good work DPS
There is no doubt that Tao is a spy - and one of his
tasks is to re-wire the captured Trans Canada engineers
who discovered the Truth About the Scam...then they can
become consultants to STWA (Global Lobotomy division)
Same old pattern...listening to fat-arsed minds
creaking away about funny smells coming from
somewhere and then never hearing the responses they
were never interested in anyway..
Bjorn was great in his time and in his way ..but has been
replaced by more senior consultants who (unwired by Tao) do the work
in less time..
Good work Pie
certified supplier sounds good enough to
me
is that new ?
talking of certification, when does communication
become certifiable as Spam ?
dizzy heights of 57.5..
Thanks Pandavoine
That is more than just one facet of the
long standing proof of our case...
scientifically, empirically, procedurally ...
mechanically...engineeringly..bureaucratically..
and legally...it all holds together...just as STWA and
Temple have held firm..
this AOT product is just one of the projects
which has been professionally steered into
financial and commercial validity...
Dr Tao might even win a big prize ??
FACT : CEO TALKS of 10-15% VISCOSITY REDUCTION
It seems fair to say that of all the positive remarks in 8k's or Updates etc, the most concrete reference to 10-15% reductions would have had to be in accord with Trans Canada's testing...maybe even
approved by their lawyers...and maybe only close to the actual
figures or to the stats in other circumstances..
I think I remember it being said that AOT performed outstandingly well in the coldest situations....the colder the environment, the better the savings..
the better the savings , the greater the secrecy ??
FACT : TRANS CANADA KEEPS THE TESTS GOING
after the initial time has been shortened...
in other words, despite all the other positive factors to the
same effect, there is no possible scope for mischievous ideas
that 'successful testing' might mean 'conclusive' testing and therefore 'possibly of a negative conclusion'
the tests go on...as do the negotiations and processes with
Kinder MOrgan and co,
FACT: TRANS CANADA ASKS FOR LESS TIME
IN the expediting of successful testing
and prior to re-negotiation of a new lease
or contract..
those being their words (for those of us who can
read)
there can be no misunderstanding or misinterpretation
about this
that's right ..and the TC engineers
kidnapped by STWA (because they knew the truth
about aot)..then escape from the captivity..
and expose the evil ploys of Dr Tao and the
sinister conspiracy...and the shares are
worthless
can you wait for the next instalment...??
Good work zero2200
I have no idea what you are responding to
but it is an appropriate response to anything and
everything within their repertoire....termination
of lease....cecil running off with funds....the invention of
LG ....oh...what about Elektra ? was that a fraud or a failure..?
|Or perhaps a project just sensibly put on a back burner?
thanks Zerosum
October 15 > October 25 = some kind of 10 day rule..or something
specific to this arrangement ?
I guess all the possibilities are alive still - with the worst of a very good range being that TC does it in elephantine steps - ie
we progress all the way to a new lease governing the next phase of
tests on a different pumping station...with another batch of
legalese - and no PO - for us to wrangle about
I suppose it is just about tantalising that Gregg gave this chronology before those first tests had led to a shortening of the tests...
Moorea9
I don't understand your question ...on a number of levels
I don't know but I don't think it was the general idea that the exact same AOT devices would be used for both tests..
and it seems as if the TC devices are not available on October 15th anyway..either they are being dis-assembled and taken to another pumping station..or they will stay where they are..since
there can be no need to remove permanently something that clearly has been successfully tested..
DO the Kinder Morgan tests not start until December ? My understanding was that the 4 months' trials would start in September....and be completed by January...in theory.
No doubt there will be other views !!
Zerosum
If that is the pre-arranged sequence of events in relation to
October 15 ..(that was explicit in the 8k?)...then I suppose the
moot point is again whether any kind of contracts/PO's can be
mentioned until these further tests at another pumping station are
completed...ie if nothing at all can be said publicly until
everything privately is entirely organised?
some posters seem to believe that some results (in the frozen north for example) could be extrapolated from those first hand results and that there need be no dis-assembling....or that 100% comprehensive data would not need to be the pre-condition of a first PO or Press Releases of a positive/commercial nature..
I guess the simple truth is that the full negotiating or bargain hunting cannot be optimised when there are gaps in the data
Maybe - in the interests of something called TIME - it is a question of hoping for announcements that are tantamount to a PO and which perhaps overlap with more definite news from elsewhere.
which 'elsewhere' is now perhaps more likely to be 'at any time'?
Joule Heating...?
well done Myrka.........who
put that together ? I am assuming it was you ?
you would have provided the link otherwise..
But thank you for that clarity, and
something new, or new-ish
Thanks SMAOTW.......but
I get the general picture..and the cumulative importance
of these paragraphs about the scale and nature of processes..
and their success..and that the stwa website is the place to
read about it.
I was more focussed on the NDA with Trans Canada and the fact
that Gregg is telling the world..and not just the investors..
that the NDA is being got around in reporting the test results
forthcoming...and with reference only to Trans Canada
Could this not be a way of saying that the NDA will not be needed
by the time of this 'getting around'of it...ie because the news of the contract will already be out ?
It'x a jump or leap of faith of course (self-serving in my case!)
because there could always be test results before a contract..more likely than vice-versa..but it is the fact that Gregg is telling us that he wants to be seen to be getting around the NDA that
has prompted my...er..thoughts..wishes....projections etc
what say you..? or other folks ?
Smile
Where is that quote from ?
what do you make of the fact that Gregg is telling investors to keep an eye on the STWA web site for the test results...because that is where we will find information that is forbidden by the NDA?
this testing must be TCanada related. Is it normal to tell investors and/or to use a web site for such information ..ie information protected by an NDA ...and while advertising the
burden of the NDA..?
I am wondering if this might...just might..indicate that the
releasing of this information might not be simultaneous to a contract ,,,,does that sound way off ?
STWA is telling us a lot , as much as they can,...until the
absence of an actual contract looks ridiculous ??
shi468
That is a good thought, and a realistic one, surely
I cannot believe the TC matters are proceeding without many
tracks ....we are not dealing with a real elephant, one step
at a time..lots of things must be happening at once..
Surely, with those first results good enough to change the
contractual framework and with TC needing less time, that has
set up a whole range of possibilities which can be developed
independently..
it seems reasonable that AOT could be moved and re-tested and without effecting these first processes (or at least substantively)..
I do still wonder if TC will go slowly in order to put pressure on the shareholders re a take-over bid - but surely they can see that
there is plenty of reason for that bid to be resisted successfully.
And I ****** wish they would get on with it !!
Mainer
It's worse than that I am afraid
STWA replaced the engineers who questioned the scam
these good men and women were switched for mutants
created by STWA and Dr Tao...
these mutants have stwa technology installed within their
cardio-vascular system...it reduces the viscosity of their
blood which suits them to standing for days and weeks ..guarding
the pipelines and AOT against being proved a scam..
wait for more news soon
the quietest day ever
so far, over all these years
and, it seems, we have never been so close to the storm
let's hope there are no more trades today!!
Proof !!
Kinder Morgan featured in the Marketwatch
of 9 days ago
The reference to KM was contrived - ie in the context of waiting
for those approvals in 2016 (I think) the lack of which approvals had been legally got around by Enbridge...
this contrivance told me that KM have other interests in AOT...ie why would they sign an NDA for only some future/possible approval
in 2016?
The inclusion of this red herring of a kind was a strong suggestion to me...that KM have stated a general interest in
AOT..with many possible applications
Good post Armour
do you intend to discuss them ?
thank you Footer
it is good to see that sequence of photos
which proves on its own
what had been finally proven beyond all doubt
before it was assembled into its commercial model
and the very best wishes for you and your mother
as she is re-assembled and with a re-calibrated heart
a very swift and total recovery for her...
i would suggest you check all the
available documentation
if your interest in a Purchase Order is genuine...
your references to termination etc do not
warrant a serious answer..
so this dialogue is certainly at an end.
yes, we all got a termination letter
It was pink and written in a child's
handwriting...and TC said sorry it had to be
terminated but thanks for everything...
do you want to see mine ?
your time....
and any further tests and delays by TC will be construed
as an act of Aggression ...
I can't believe they have changed
the timeline in 'expediting the successful testing....' and with 10- 15% improvements etc etc... just to have another teddy bears' picnic with a second AOT
I wonder how it would have been if another company had led the
way...maybe exactly the same..
Here comes Autumn
tomorrow
no...sorry, i meant the next day
about 11.30
just my personal view that it won't be a Thursday or
a Friday...
No comments on yesterday's Update
except by Whacky
The Minneapolis/ quoted newspaper talks about
Enbridge schedules - the 27% increase being expected
by the end of September..with all its bypassing of government
protocols being accepted as legal.
I repeat: the mention of Kinder Morgan in this context seems
contrived - ie. why mention a KM project awaiting approval unless it is to suggest that their recent contract with STWA is focussing on other KM pipelines?
Footer - are you following this in a blonde sort of way! ?
Whacky
so : our share is now Up by 0.001
and this is one tenth of a cent ?
Yes. Because what happens after the decimal
point measures the fractions of a dollar.
we are now UP by one thousandth (3 0's) of a dollar
which is one tenth of a cent.
phew...for a moment there I thought I had lost
the point
wow. one tenth or one hundredth
in one and a half hours
to match this dynamism : an equally dynamic question
what are these sums of money in words : 0.001 ?
or these : 0.011 or this 0.101 ?
therefore...what is the difference between
0.699 and 0.70 ?
I say a tenth of a cent...cf 0.0101
or between 0.6909 and 0.70...
a hundredth of a cent?
what high powered fun !
Enbridge now in the frame for the first time
and would Kinder Morgan have signed anything with STWA
only in relation to a project awaiting approval ?
Good use of material by Gregg/STWA - and a fine opening
paragraph using David Ignatius
It seems pretty clear that everyone is responding positively to
AOT
FML2013
Another PR this week : well, I am hoping for something about the
Upstream Installation - scheduled for development during 3Q
It's a guess, but this project seems less bound up in NDA protocol;
maybe because it must be rather hard to be secretive about something
that sounds and looks very conspicuous and which can hardly be based
on doubtful information.
Hoping to say goodbye permanently to the 60's today. one tenth of a cent to go!
DPS - good to see that language again
that matter of fact language about what happens
when AOT is deployed
all of which can only originate in what NDA's have had
to protect, as well as in the years of R and D
the trials are on-going..but it is a niggling worry for
me (with my deadlines) that TC might be intending to move
the 110 tons up to the Frozen North or another site
WHile they already have enough data - and evidently have not objected to the 10-15% figure etc - I find it hard to believe that there are not extreme conditions within the TC empire which
cannot be reliably or predictably subjected to any extrapolations etc
another green day, I hope. 5 cents would be ok !
Alkaline
terminating the lease
It is clear that analysing all the available details within one set of documents and circumstances - plus all possible extrapolations - does not bring total clarity...especially when one unknown - are they going to move the AOT or not - can start the whole debate again.
Which means it's more sensible to look at other factors to achieve that clarity...e.g the Kinder Morgan invitation followed by a signed contract, to go back no further.
My response to your specific question could be detailed or vague and stand an equal chance of being accurate.
I think they terminated the lease for a host of detailed reasons which are confidential and which go back years and about which we now know the CEO has said he cannot say more; a significant
development in its own right,
But I also think it was the only way for TC to express the success of things, given the monumental tangle of legal, technical and commercial factors: did they have a great deal of Choice about how to express (Total?) Success ? A way of doing it that would meet all the criteria?
What else could they change contractually ? They had to say something.
They are the first, they are competitive, it is a revolution and a green one,it will change the entire industry for perpetuity,the monies involved are staggering..
every step and every word in every document has huge significance...and so every billion dollar step in this exciting direction is shrouded in protocol and bureaucracy...
how else could the progress at this stage be..signalled ?
contract with a shorter test time
Extrapolations
well, I guess it is possible to cover all the possibilities
once you have established all the variables and there is a clear
pattern which creates predictable outcome...
and I guess there can always be clauses written into contracts
which deal with grey areas
but Frozen North strikes me as a very different proposition altogether.
Anyway, one step at a time. And thank you.
Is the USA on holiday on Monday ?
wen160
but if the AOT is going to be installed in different
weather zones - ice and snow included - surely it has
to be moved there - ??
It might be academic - because it works in all conditions - but if it is not actually moved there, how can things be measured relatively and then priced into a contract ? etc
It's been in this one place all the time?
How many kinds of oil can it have worked it ?
what about the different conditions - some colder or coldest
places for example ?
Thanks Tpsully
Kind thoughts
Things do seem to be changing or speeding up
I think Gregg is saying as much as he possibly
can a
and there are so many hints and points on the map which
can be joined up to show the success of AOT...
things are beginning to speak for themselves
good weekend to one and all
I don't see it either
I will write to John Valenti and see what's what..
This is an Update though - not a PR - so it can refer to
meetings and like many professional people know, there are
meetings and there are chats around tables with cups of coffee
I have no doubt that a meeting would not be mentioned unless it
had a senior significance . Most people agree that STWA's
understatements have had value in the long run.
Zerosum - who said that last quote ?
By the way, I would indeed be ludicrous to sell
once the industry was bound to adopt the AOT
but my point was that I have no choice about the
selling - I have had to borrow in order not to sell
shares and those borrowings are due for repayment
by the end of October.
No choice - but the crucial factor is the price of
the shares and how many will need to go...leaving
however many or few to justify the years of waiting
...that's one way of having some excitement in one's life !
Very many thanks for that clarity.
Plus, I suppose, October 15th must always have
been an approximation or a date which allowed for
a little extra time, or for a maximum extra,
and which has now absorbed the delayed start...
Memorable moments from this morning - the huge
surprise of that information sheet. The elation.
Bizarre that it is so meaningless where it is now
but might
actually be meaningful when seen in a more public public
place
Another question Zerosum
Your enthusiasm is a great energiser - so now I am
going to exploit you/ it!!
I like your thoughts about AOT selling just ONCE - it seems we
are truly owed a boost that is totally symbolic of its overall
value, going back years - not just its proven monetary value.
I need to be totally clear about October 15..as that date happens
to feature largely in my repayment scheme to the Bank or rather
Banks !
If this date - or my use of it - does not prove crucially upward for the share price (well, up to October 30), then I am going to have to sell a truly painful number of shares.
On October 15, as I see it - the TC lease expires/ this phase comes to an end.
Thus, if all the testing and general prep is done, there is no reason
why the announcement cannot be made at any time before then.
Nothing is gained by delaying - unless - as Alkaline has pointed out - Greg wants to line up any more institutions.
Simple it seems - but is that true to what the contracts/documents say in your view : given that even these documents can leave some room for angles and variations??
Sorry - very sorry - same old stuff - but I do need to be clear.
Thanks
Enough cash till June 2015
was,I think, the latest calculation
leaving aside any new income to come before then
If it is allowed, thanks Zerosum for the ongoing
repetitions of STWA's documented position
great that you have the stamina and time