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Maybe he wants to keep it simple so's not to attract your attention and thus your questioning of both his sincerity and intelligence. Apparently even that won't work.
I don't imagine it adds anything to the questions he asked but I wouldn't mind having the answers.
I agree.
"especially if the big one hits"
The big question, when will the big one hit? We all assume it's coming and view our investment with that in mind. But if you own only 100,000 shares in KBLB, many can't realize enough profit to warrant selling at .17 when the downside is abandoning your position if the big one hits.
But if you own 1,000,000 shares, your core is enough to enable selling for 20% profit thus increasing your shares. IF the big one hits before pps falls again you'll still have the 20% profit plus the core at whatever the big one dictates. That's fine, that's investing, but don't expect every other investor to be happy with a low pps so you can continue to buy their shares.
This is the strategy used by some, but since new investment is practically non-existent, it simply lowers the pps back down after any news that might increase it. Great for some, not for most.
If I have $1000 in stock and when I sell I have $2000, I made 100% and that's all that matters. Why would I be satisfied with your scenario of making 10% when I could make 100%?
The ONLY reason for not desiring a PR or PC is to keep the status quo, continuing to purchase the shares of those forced to sell for 10% or whatever.
As far as the science goes, I think we're on the right track too. Maybe on the business end Kim is on the right track also, but I just don't know.
But I certainly don't understand the business model that won't use the assets available to increase the value of it's stock. When you don't attempt to increase the value of your company, especially a company that uses stock sales to operate, then the financial aspects of pps and dilution negatively affect the prospects of that company moving forward.
Do you have any idea on the timeline, or how long you're willing to wait for new investment to raise the pps. Another month, 6 months, 1 year? I can easily forsee another year of arguing the science involved, financing, etc. until more "breakthru" news that drops the pps further.
Saying you're "long" on KBLB apparently comes with the premise that you are satisfied with the pps and arguments in favor of increasing it are not accepted as part of a "long" investor.
Two camps here with different goals, both on a short term and long term. My camp, which could apparently hold a meeting in a phone booth, desires a higher pps based on the true market value of KBLB. You all know what the other camp wants, the pps just where it is and wants no attempt to increase it until the home-run news.
Is that "news" coming soon, if it is then great. But I've waiting a year for news, and retreating back into a holding position is not acceptable. We are now back to arguing the science, the financing, etc., with conjecture dominating the arguments. Sound familar?
Pretty simple.
"The simplest answer is normally the right one"
You cannot read this entire post and not realize that there are some investors that DO NOT want the pps to increase at all, they are making money with a strategy that demands a low pps and any increase would cost them future gains.
That's fine, not all investors have to be on the same page, but when the wishes of a few trump the wishes of the majority then we have a problem.
Thanks, I appreciate the infor.
There's those same arguments again, ND won't do it and the effects of an increasing pps would damage KBLB. Really?
Really? Penny stocks scams are funded by holding PCs at Notre Dame, I never would have guessed. Guess I was wrong, prestige of Notre Dame is for sale.
How many R&D companies are fully funded from cradle to grave, I was always under the impression that many even had a publicity dept to raise capital. KBLB is NOT reliably funded when Kim has to raise capital by selling shares for .10 instead of .30 or whatever the market decides.
Guess we're all going to have to take the class again, I just wish we weren't all lumped together, I would have got an A on my own.
"I just wish we'd start making some damn money"
Well, if this were a college course and we were required to submit a plan to make KBLB a viable and profitable company, we would flunk miserably if our recommendations were to do nothing.
If, on the other hand, we submitted a plan to raise new capital by concentrating on KBLB's market recognition, this would definitely get the attention of our professor. Presenting a plan to accomplish this using ND as a stage, along with explanations of the upside of such a plan, would get us an A.
Farfetched? Don't think so, this is how RD companies are funded, to fail to do so puts the company in danger of severe dilution of shares and general collapse of the company.
Only meant that you and others, while trying to downplay the purchase of shares, just can't keep it to yourself that you're buying up shares at a reduced market price.
So, on that point, I rest my case.
Well I guess there's only a few of us that are impatient, the rest are adding shares in anticipation of the home-run. But at least the impatient ones that support a higher pps are able to provide humor for the others and makes it almost worthwhile to cash in our investments so others can pick them up, cheap.
I rest my case.
Yeah, that's what I meant all right. That's why I'm doing all this, just to damage KBLB.
Well if that's the way the production of the platform worm is presented by Kim in a PC then I might agree with you. I would think a far more positive outlook as to what that success means, and could mean in the future, would be more in line with attracting investment.
And to the point, what public perception? Most of the public hasn't even heard of KBLB and those who have are mostly us. Ever heard that "any publicity is good publicity", well that certainly applies here. If investors look at KBLB as a pumped penny stock, or scam, after doing DD then so be it, but they should have the chance.
This can't be the only downside.
I don't ignore anyone's argument, and to interpret that sentence to mean so is, in your words, "just flat wrong."
Your current arguments are Notre Dame wouldn't want to do it and the market won't respond until we produce something.
I certainly considered these arguments, they been made before several times and I've answered every time I was aware of them.
Who at Notre Dame would object? Everyone from the Head of the Science dept. to the president of the Notre Dame would benefit from a PC announcing breakthru work being done in their labs. Even though you characterize it as routine labwork, I doubt if they would.
Your assumption that the market will respond to a finished product is certainly correct. But the market will also respond to a PC at Notre Dame, how much will depend on the DD that will inspire by new investors. Capital is out there waiting to be invested, why don't we give them a look at KBLB and let them decide?
I've answered your questions, please answer mine. What is the Downside?
Sorry to see you go, Z.
Sorry I missed it before, and for the record I agree with everything you say except for the reaction of Notre Dame. Work is being done in their labs that in a best case scenario could revolutionize industries. Since a private college like Notre Dame gets big money from private donations, you don't think they'd at least like to remind their alumni what their donations are producing?
This would be a win-win for both KBLB and Notre Dame, I just don't see a downside especially when the upside is so great.
I agree institutional investors would be great, but it all depends on Kim and what kind of PC he wants.
I e-mailed both Ben and Kim so they are aware of my suggestion of a PC at Notre Dame. If I call, nobody's going to believe me anyway, that's apparently why Red won't share his conversations with Kim.
I understand several people communicate with Kim and Ben every week, nothing of this nature was ever discussed? What do they talk about except making KBLB as profitable as possible?
I'm sorry if my posts are boring, but if I quit then so does my hope for a pps that should reflect the true market value of KBLB stock.
You make it sound like I'm suggesting a nationwide tour or something. Simple PC at Notre Dame with Kim speaking on what he knows best, don't need a whole new set of characters for that.
Prepare, 15-30 min presentation, take questions and wrap it up. See what happens, one thing I know won't happen is the pps won't drop.
I apparently have a great deal more confidence in Kim than you do, he would do great in that setting just as he did before.
Tell you what, Pedro, your ideas on the invitees certainly trump mine. Love to have those kind of attendees, but I was thinking on a much smaller scale mainly due to the original problem, name recognition. If we can attract institutional investors then great, but KBLB has been pretty much silent since the initial PC so I doubt it's too high on their list.
I was thinking just a PR announcing a PC at Notre Dame that would update KBLB's progress, and what we hope to accomplish. Let whoever wants to come, come, I'm sure it will attract local media at the very least and it being picked up by national media is possible. As far as I'm concerned, name recognition of KBLB would be the main plus, no reason to keep it a secret. Let potential investors do a DD and let them decide, but they've got to be made aware that KBLB even exists.
If you think having SIAL and SGMO there is a good idea, I agree. I've read so many posts that argued about their relationships with KBLB that I don't even know what it is, but if it's cool then their presence would be great.
Well, KC, I don't know what's going on in other people's minds, but I know what I would do if all I cared about was my own bottom line and had the funds to do it.
If I believed in the science and unlimited potential of KBLB, I would strive to keep the pps as low as possible and accumulate as many shares as I could. Being able to pick up shares at .10 means big bucks when the home-run comes, so I'd just settle in and wait, I got money and time to do so.
I guess "silence is golden" really does apply here.
Still don't see the downside.
None of us know what Kim has planned for his shares, or what avenues might open in the future that will requirement KBLB investment. But I know Kim's options are alot greater if he has to sell his shares at .50 than .10, it might well make the difference when choosing which avenue to follow.
As far as the large investor goes, it all goes back to potential. They'll look at the science and the potential, invest if they think it's a worthy gamble, or wait until there are orders on the desk and pay $2 a share. All I want to do is give the market a chance to consider KBLB on it's merits.
Look guys, I'm not here to cause trouble between investors or to bore you to death with my posts.
But the enormous effects of a PC that could be realized immediately in a upward pps, is an option that can't be ignored. Now, maybe some are opposed to a higher pps for personal reasons, but they don't represent myself who would love to see a pps of however high the market will decide.
Is it intentional that I'm constantly ridiculed for suggesting PRs, when I've made it clear what I suggest is a PC held at Notre Dame University.
You can't put a pricetag on the prestige that Notre Dame University adds to any message, much less a message that confirms the initial PC's claims. You literally can't buy this publicity, you have to earn it and KBLB has done exactly that. Why don't we use it, I'm sure Notre Dame would gladly agree, it would cost us exactly nothing to do.
Why is the resistance so heavy to this idea? There's no cost involved yet the upside of attracting new investment is virtually unlimited.
I've read all your responses and honestly tried to find a reason for not doing a PC, because I'm tired of all this posting. But there hasn't been any posted thus far, so I assume there are none.
It's been argued that we can't sell potential, we need a finished product. Nothing could be further from the truth, we bought potential and the pps should increase as that potential is realized with successes in the lab. But the pps is not increasing, there's no new investment, there's no plan to attract any. Why?
Still don't see a downside to PC.
You're sorrow for those that bought in at .15 or .20 is admirable, I'm sure they're satisfied with waiting another month or two, or a year or two, for the home-run. "Patience is a virtue" doesn't really apply here, patience means a .10 pps for the foreseeable future and that's unacceptable to me when KBLB has the opportunity to change it virtually overnight.
Well, KC, I've waited in silence for a year now, waiting for news, waiting for rise in pps, waiting for those that post regular on the board to suggest "something" that would raise the pps.
I'm done waiting. What started as a simple statement suggesting something to raise the pps has grown into a solid belief in a PC at Notre Dame. This is a great opportunity, one that very few companies have, and to ignore the idea is to accept a pps that is not market driven. Alot of companies artificially inflate the pps thru PRs, KBLB is kept artificially low thru lack of public recognition.
Still don't see a downside.
Exactly Pedro. Unless there's a good reason why not, and I haven't heard any, a PC at Notre Dame could change the financial dynamics of both investors and KBLB. I truly don't see a downside, heck if I didn't read this board I'd have no information on what was happening the past year except for a couple of PRs. Every excuse for not doing the PC has been presented, and not one is even reasonable. Keeping the ppps low, for whatever reason, may be great strategy for some but for many current investors it forces selling stocks instead of holding in hopes of profit.
Still don't see the downside.
I apologize, there's just times your logic and your statements are a little hard to grasp. Sorry.
But I just asked questions, I didn't jump to any outrageous conclusions. I might add you never answered those questions.
So, do you think the appearance of the platform worm is significant or not? That it isn't a major break-thru toward future success? I don't know the science involved as well as you so I'm just asking.
Oklahoma St., Oregon, Oklahoma all upset. Maybe we can pull an upset and get the pps going up!
As soon as the PC can be done, KBLB should be flush with money and be able to buy a company to do so pretty quickly.
Really? You mean if Kim had a PC at Notre Dame, and say just gave out the information from the first press conference, you'd sell all your stock? What if he added that the platform worm had been produced, would you still sell all your stock? The prestige of Notre Dame would add credibility to the message, but you'd still sell all your stock?
Companies give millions for the publicity a PC from Notre Dame would give, KBLB gets it for nothing. Heck, I don't want Kim to give away any secrets, just an honest evaluation of the science and potentials.
Maybe Kim is busy, though apparently abandoned by the advisory board, and hasn't thought about the tremendous upside of a PC. I don't know, but apparently Ben and Kim reads these posts and I can get an answer to my e-mail sent to them.
Please indulge me, Long, are PCs ever given to increase public recognition, or to raise new investment?
If the honest prediction that the science appears to be as good, or better than presented at the original press conference, then this is news that would be of great interest to investors. If Kim can then honestly predict the commercial uses of various KBLB products, depending on the labwork, then this reaffirming of the potential uses would move discussions among new investors from "what the hell is KBLB" to "Gotta do DD on this, right now!"
Not too hard to believe, is it? If the science is good, it all depends on that.
KBLB, Mike, KBLB.
Scenario (cont):
Following KBLB, I see Kim is going to do a PC at Notre Dame. Watching, Kim explains in laymen terms what the production of the platform worm means toward the total success of the science. He also reaffirms the potential commercial uses that KBLB products could produce, and makes sure the public understands that the extent of these products depends of the continued success of the lab.
My concern about the low pps, dilution of stocks, lack of recognition, etc. have just vanished. This is a stock to be invested in now, before the pps raises significantly. If the science continues to be successful, this stock will continue to rise until hopefully the end goal is reached. If so, this stock's final pps will be huge.
Going to invest, going to tell others also after I get as many as I can at .10. Saw PC on Hannity last night, he had a segment on KBLB as a potentially huge job creator. I'm gonna be golden.
DON'T SEE THE DOWNSIDE YET?
Apparently you talk to Kim and Ben on a weekly basis, what could they tell me that you couldn't.
Are they confident in the science, you must know that? Are they happy with the pps, any plans to increase investment? Have they even suggested a plan to increase KBLB recognition by the market? I assume these are the subjects you talk about, what else is there?
Information is wealth, so why not share it?
What happened to the advisory board, that was a big part in my investing decision? I thought there was business experience there, along with ties to relevant industries.
But for me, I don't need to see a marketable commodity, I need to see Kim tell me and the public if he's confident of what those lab successes actually mean to a commodity. If he thinks it all good, then the Notre Dame PC would be huge to attract new investment.
Boy, you're just full of good news. I feel like selling now.