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Must be meant for the next business day. But if you look out your window, do you see a man crawling on the wing of your airplane? Enter Rod Serling...
Shout out to Redji... Where are ya? Good news in the filing tonight. Audited financials to be filed by September 9. We're less than 4 weeks away. First time in a filing Eric has committed to a date. Only thing that could hamper it now is the T3000 issue. Not likely, but it's still a possibility.
Gonna be a great month for TDGI!!!
That's all that's happening here, sheople selling into the run ups. Maybe if you would take a little time to see that before throwing out unfounded accusations, your reception on this board may be a tad kinder.
No, not much info out there about Red Bear. Food for thought, they may be a newly created entity for a project such as this with little or no history to be had. We need more details on who are principals in that company. To me it's immaterial...
Kinda figured the film cost a ton to make and the profit was small. But still, they made millions in profit and still went under. It's a sign of the times...
Just an interesting observation from your post, Speckulater.
Halcyon Holding bought the Terminator franchise in 2007 for about USD 25 million and produced "Terminator Salvation," which took in about USD 371 million in worldwide box office returns last year.
A US bankruptcy judge in February ruled that the movie franchise could be sold to Pacificor, ending months of speculation after its former owner Halcyon Holding collapsed into bankruptcy in August.
So Halcyon grossed $371 million on Terminator Salvation and in the same year went bankrupt? Wow, talk about bad management. Glad we don't have that here!
The way I see it is even if Pacificor is in negotiations with someone else to do a 2D Terminator movie, why wouldn't they want to also entertain the idea for a 3D CGI animation Terminator movie? Two different target groups with lots of crossover. They don't have to do anything but collect the fee for someone else to make the film. They are a hedge fund and as such are motivated and solely exist to make money. With just this film, they could make two-thirds of their investment back. Imagine if they could do another film, they would be profitable on the franchise.
It's Pacificor's sole right to do as they please with the Terminator franchise, they own it. Put yourself in their shoes and think if you could get all of your up front capital back for a franchise you just bought, wouldn't you do it? Then ride the returns from there. Not a bad ROI in under a year if you ask me.
I really, really like the odds here, especially since we're dealing with a hedge fund!
Good clarification, EBL. I've been throwing around the term 3D as being synonymous with animation when in fact I am incorrect. CGI is what makes a film "animated" Regardless, EP has the rights to it and this will be beneficial to us all as shareholders.
You can't really believe what you wrote, can you?
Eric has the animation rights to terminator, which isn't worth that much if you think about it.
Rights to animation of Terminator movie isn't worth much. Not worth enough to have somebody place a $70 million bet on it? Someone doesn't fork out that kind of money on something that "isn't worth much."
And your quip about 3D films. I mean, really? Have you looked at the trending of what's coming out in the box office? How about the new line of 3D TVs? Jeez...
That's a great post! We've often wondered about uplisting and such. If EP has sold the or tendered those rights to HH, then that has significant value and will be reflected in the financials. Wow, even better than I imagined...
I seriously doubt there will be a legal battle. Consider that Pacificor bought the franchise rights for 29.5 million. Now they need to do something to get their money back. Since there hasn't been any rumblings of any other Terminator movies, I think it's a safe bet that Pacificor will agree to partnering with HH to roll out the movie. Why wouldn't they? Think about it from a business decision. They paid out 29.5 million in February of this year. They can get approximately two-thirds of their investment back immediately if they agree to this film. Hedge funds are all about money and mitigating risk. They'd be foolish to pass up a huge chunk of up front money on their 29.5 million purchase.
Also another possibility. And since we're talking possibilities, who here knows what TCF paid or agreed to pay for Twelve or any other *undisclosed* films they will distribute? Maybe we have a few million sitting in the bank right now that the audited financials will show. The game is changing and going to the next level, folks.
Your perspective is absolutely correct, BC. The playing field has been significantly leveled between a small indie film and a hedge fund. The more this sits with me, the more I really like how EP is playing this. Folks, if you can't see a CEO going to bat trying to land the mother of all film projects for our company, then I can't help you.
3D is animation, and EP owns the animation rights to Terminator. Pacificor is shafted without them since 3D is the way films and TV are trending.
Oh, and don't forget that EP has the funds available to show Pacificor that they can do this film. Are you starting to see we're not dealing with a typical pink sheet stock? Name one pink sheet company that has $70 million they can bring to a table... aside from the pinkies that say they have hundreds of millions of funding coming from foreign countries.
And they need his blessings. Major gaff on the part of the legal eagles doing due diligence for Pacificor when they picked up the rights to the Terminator franchise and missed this. You can choose to think of it as we need Pacificor, or inversely you can see that Pacificor needs us. Pacificor is not just going to sit on their huge, millions of dollar investment. Realize, they need EP's rights and permission and blessing to do anything regarding animation of any Terminator movies going forward. Tell me 3D isn't the way to go for the future. You see that, don't you?
Are you starting to see the ace up Eric's sleeve here and why he's been so awfully confident over the past 8 months? I would too if I owned the rights to something that could make me tens of millions of dollars of profit.
We haven't been let in on it yet. But as we're seeing Eric keeps some mighty large things close to the vest. I never know what to expect Eric is going to do.
Many months ago people wanted there to be surprises here since many are known for their great DD on this board. Well, we've gotten a few surprises lately with TCF and Terminator3000. I can only imagine the info for the business spinoff/uplisting/Amex or whatever it will be is going to be equally as clever and surprising.
Who could leave the party now?
You're right, CK. T.O. said it best, Get your popcorn ready...
This is a classic case of life imitating art. Seriously, this story is more compelling than most movies I've seen lately. This situation has no legal threat to TDGI. In fact, it serves to do more good rather than harm. No way you take on a hedge fund if you weren't equipped for it. Eric has shown he's holding many things close to his vest that none of us know about.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and let this situation play out. No reason not to. I'm here for the long haul, and I'm intrigued on how Eric is going to school us on how to take on the big boys. He holds some pretty darn good cards with the animation rights to Terminator per the PR. I'm not going to bet against Eric at this point. I know shrewd when I see it...
In light of the latest news about the cease and desist letter, I see EP as a very, very shrewd CEO. He reminds me of Mel Karmazin, CEO of Sirius satellite radio. The way this is playing out has the makings of a brilliant move by a motivated CEO. I think this was planned to create a meeting that wouldn't have otherwise happened when EP wanted it to. Rather than twiddle his thumbs, he outmaneuvered a hedge fund. That's brilliant. You have to wonder how the lawyers for Pacificor are going to explain to their client that their due diligence at the time they bought the rights to the Terminator franchise didn't uncover this huge legal right EP has to the animated rights for Terminator. The lawyers can bark all they want publicly, but some heads are rolling right now as I'm sure Pacificor as a company is furious at its legal counsel for not uncovering this.
Eric has an end game here, you can be sure of that. What it is remains to be seen. But this didn't happen by accident, that's for sure. This is cutthroat business at its finest. We're in for another exciting chapter in the TDGI story my friends...
I think we're all scratching our heads too. We know this news is a good thing. We know the recent corporate developments are going to develop major value for HH going forward. Maybe this is what Eric meant in an email that you never know how the market will react. But I'll bet he's still grinning ear to ear because he sees the big picture - oh yeah, and he has 90 million COMMON shares that will one day be worth significantly more than they are now.
It's laughable how some just want to paint a negative picture of TDGI at this point. Is it really inconceivable that Eric could pull off a $70 million film with a partnership without knowing all the relationships and details? To some it may be. It seems more like a sour apples comparison to some here.
We will stick to the facts, and the facts are as we know them that HH is putting together a $70 million film. Whether we think there's enough detail at this point yet or not is immaterial. They PR'd it, so it's a fact.
Point is well taken about the poor showing of Twelve and RD. Ever consider that these films were never the prize some made them out to be? Has their whole story been written yet? Quite the contrary. Tunnel vision can be dangerous...
You and Gordon are spot on with your comments. Unfortunately, too many people use MMs shorting and such things to justify why a piece of junk stock trades the way it does. But that does not negate the truth which is that MMs have to make a market, and when there's no shares to create liquidity they do so any way they have to. I don't believe there's a vast conspiracy that MMs or a seller is playing with TDGI exclusively, but you can't ignore the points you both made about MMs, their motivation and methods of making a market.
We just have to bear with it and know that until the audited financials hit and the rest of the news rolls out that verifies all of what Eric has been saying, some nervous nellies will continue to spoil the party. I think we really only have 1 or 2 persistent sellers. Once they run out or can't drive the price down lower and load up and do it again, their influence here will be done.
Who ever thought a $70 million film was in the works? Can't even hazard a guess now what the next three connected items are. I wouldn't want to be flipping or selling single share at this point...
Worth the Wait
If the library can get valued at $100 million - $70 million film + books + legacy library - then where does that put our PPS? We only have a market cap of $20.3 million at .044. It will be worth the wait...
Amex is where we'll be. We've kinda been shortsighted with Twelve and Racing Dreams because we had nothing to go on besides that. Just goes to show you that it's all a matter of perspective really. Who knew that a $70 million 3D film was being worked all these months? I know I didn't.
Like I've stated a few times here tonight - and really can't say it enough - this PR today was much, much larger than the words in the PR. There are far reaching effects this is going to have on how the business plan will now only take 1 to 3 years rather than 3 to 5 years.
Great post. He has really been pretty transparent with his intentions for this company. The PR today validated many, many things he has said. This is bigger than the words in that PR for sure. Don't let the naysayers say otherwise.
And you too Voodoo. Haven't seen you post for a while. Glad you're still here!
This news is really bigger than I think most understand. Think about the ramifications to the corporate plan with a $70 million film. Think about the people who are backing this little indie company's endeavor to roll out a $70 million firm. Consider the value a $70 million film adds to the library valuation.
.06 seems like a small bump in the road from my perspective at this point.
$70 Million Budget Film and its Implications
You have to think to yourself for a minute, will that $70 million film they announced be rolled into the library valuation at this point? We know it will at some point. This $70 million film translates into HH being able to achieve their corporate plans they estimated would take 3 to 5 years in only 1 to 3 years.
Also consider that this $70 million film opportunity did not suddenly arise a month ago. It's been known for months now, maybe even before they went public. That being the case, there must be agreements in place and DEEP, DEEP pockets sitting behind Eric and HH to be willing to put up $70 million for a film. And we thought $16 million was impressive before!
If the $70 million film gets added to the TDGI library valuation at present, we will have nearly a $100 million library, coupled with the legacy library and books.
Further think to yourself where that leaves the PPS with filed, audited financials, a no dilution policy and a $100 million library with a current market cap of only $20.3 million...
We don't have an official expected date, but we've been waiting for them for 7 to 8 months. We've found out months ago they were delayed due to "corporate opportunities" that had arisen. Now we know the first piece of the corporate opportunity that has arisen. A posted has an email where Eric states within the last few days that the financials are essentially done.
So any day now we can expect to have them filed. And like many of us have been saying for the past 7 to 8 months, when those financials get filed the PPS should take off.
Maybe it's better that Tom O. is pursuing things separately through his own company and only consulting with HH rather than us partnering with him?
I know it's been difficult waiting for the audited financials, but as we've all been saying, Eric has had very acceptable reasons to delay the release of the financials. That doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of other pinkies say the same things but never follow through. But as each piece of the puzzle keeps coming together here, it's becoming as obvious as it can be what is shaping up here. It's just like we had it all along, but even better than imagined.
Now, when those audited financials hit any day now, we'll no longer have to even talk about transparency and legitimacy issues here. We already know HH is the real deal. The financials will be the spark that lights the fuse on this stock. Many of us have been wondering why the PPS has floundered. The key piece of the puzzle was put out there today. Once those financials hit, coupled with the positive momentum this news just gave us, the PPS should start to go parabolic...
What happened today? Only have phone access. Thumbnail sketch, please.
It's like the movie groundhog day with this seller. It's enough already, just hit market order sell and let's get this over with...
Jeez, you'd think they're about done after ETMM selling almost a million shares between .037 and .038 yesterday. Now the key is to not let the bashers do their thing and try to bring the price down so they can do this again and again and again.
You're right, that's what we've been waiting for is the volume to come in and knock this out of the park. I have a feeling it's coming today. I woke up to a Yahoo alert on TDGI today - something I never get - but there was no news.... at least yet.
Go TDGI!
So you're the white knight today. Thanks for sharing with us, it was a mystery. I'm personally glad those 1mm shares are in your hands and not of those less worthy:)