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They can load 2000 tons/hour.The Kriton carries 42007 tons of ore.
Yes sir. I also notice that ,for the first time,Sharon is the issuing name on the PR. I suspect that is partly to address the recent conspiracy theory that we never hear from Sharon-does she really exist etc. Even though we have seen her in some of the pictures.
Bullit69 said the 1st shipment would pay off the others who have skin in the game. Doesn't mean they won't still get a piece of the pie but that situation is better than many people recognize.
It should be even better than that. I estimated $175/ton spot at the time the contract was finalized. Another knowledgeable person says the contract price for 1st shipment was $184/ton.
Absolutely. I challenge you to find another penny that has done what CWRN has done in the last few months.
When the great recession occurred and a friend dragged me into this twilight zone because nobody could find a blue chip increasing in value(even the biggest retailer on the planet lost 2 billion that qtr-and major retail stores that were 90% finished were instantly mothballed) -and pennys have been known to buck the trend of the general economy,I researched thousands of pennies. Their financials always disgusted me-I had never seen such financials before.
Financials after this qtr will be very respectable. As I've said I haven't been able to find a penny stock w CWRN's expected next qtr income(especially net income and margin) below .25-.50
Yes we know. The ship and all the pictures and the almost unprecedented growth of the last few months is all just a mirage. We've heard that ever since CWRN's potential became obvious to certain groups as a good way to make money. Such groups pay no attention to stocks without potential-it would be great if nellies woke up to that fact. Whether they do or not, smarter investors not moved by these games will.
The one obvious thing that moves the market is money. Once a larger pool of investors discovers CWRN's growing fundamentals,the twilight zone of these games can be extinguished.
I've seen companies go from under .40 to ca 4.70 in just months without CWRN's expected revenue-all while dealing with the pinksheet situation you refer to.
Bob-remember to get the financials through 12-31 out to resolve the pinksheet matter as per the 2-28 PR.
Once that is done that will also increase the pool of investors.
At least they will have 118000 tons of inventory to show for the 12-31 qtr-compared to none for the previous qtr.
The back to back quarterlies will show the rapid progress(though it doesn't seem that way in the interim,largely due to these games)CWRN has made in the last few months.
What a relief. Good luck in finding another CWRN in the twilight zone of penny land. This is the only penny stock I've seen make this transition to substantial revenues since I've been in this twilight zone-after 1000 plus hours research.
I agree. Eventually logic and fundamentals have to win over manipulation. Otherwise the entire principal of the market is null and void. Ever since activity began last June that principal has been largely violated-many have noted over the last 6 months in an almost unprecedented way.
Substantial recurring revenue-almost nonexistent in pennys below .25-.50- should change that. If it doesn't, the market and historical principals of finance and "capitalism" no longer exist.
Thought I would be congenial and use a colloquialism-I do tend to be duty minded. Yes,better not get carried away huh old chap? Been holding and increasing my holding of CWRN since Aug 2009 and I know there are some here who have held for at least 3 years and possibly 5.
So it is good to see this last hurdle of the production process finally completed,especially after the 2nd worst manipulation by special interest groups I have ever seen since activity picked up last June-and their 1000's of reasons why it could not be done.
Yes-the site is a couple hours delayed- at least unless you have a company account. Last seen by their AIS now at 0217 hours. And shows the ship is positioned somewhere within the harbor now.
They have probably docked on schedule(0330 PST)because vessel tracker,which is 2 or more hours delayed,shows the Kriton has closed from 13 miles to ca 5 miles out in the last hour.
I believe so. At 2:55 am PST vesseltracker.com shows the Kriton about 13 miles from the port and vesseltrackers position is 2 hours delayed.
From the Nov 9 PR:
"The Ensenada Port Authority is in the process of dredging its bulk cargo dock to receive PanaMax vessels up to 75,000 Down Weight Tons (DWT). The P.A. advised CWRN and PanAm both on Monday that the dredging project would be completed before the end of December 2010. The company will still make its first shipment via Handy cargo vessel at 30/35,000 DWT; However, beginning in January 2011 all bulk cargo shipments will be made via PanaMax at one or two shipments per month."
The Dec PR indicated production of at least 100k tons/month by the 2nd qtr. They are likely producing 100k tons now.
The timeline was delayed due to extended delays in assembly of the custom magnetic separator(not received til ca 12-24-10,followed by Mex holiday to 1-6-11).Announcement of finishing of dredging was not made til mid-Jan.
So the expectation was for an average of 1 and a half Panamax /month by 2nd qtr-which they are capable of doing now by increasing trucks to 24 or 25.
Panamax ships assumed port dredging would be finished by the time such shipping contracts were made. CWRN may not have been sure of time for finishing port dredging,so at any rate began w Handymax-as the Nov PR stated-the Kriton is 42007 tons cargo capacity. It will be interesting to see what capacity the next announced ship has.
At the time this 32 million DLC was being finalized the port dredging was not finished yet-it was reported finished mid Jan. Official port depth increased from 40' to ca 48'(14.5 meters,w 16 meters in navigation areas),but probably had some infilling before dredging,so Panamax (average draft 39') were not allowed until the dredging was finished.
I'm not sure about the port reporting,but vesseltracker.com and marinetraffic.com usually don't report until the vessel is only a few hours out.
Somebody watching on a hill with field glasses could spot the ship sometimes as fast. I've heard the curvature of the earth is one foot per mile.
Interest seems to be growing. 5 mm at .0246, 2 at .0245. No delusional bids below .0199. Hasn't the # of mm's also grown? 15 now.
Thats because of manipulation by special interest groups. The 2-1 and 3-1 PR's had to respond to that manipulation instead of focusing on the progress. Thus the subject of the PR's was a letdown in expectations.
You conveniently exclude the 2-28 PR, which did or would have a positive response absent the manipulation of the bogus buyout offer,for which,as usual,special interest groups falsely blamed CWRN. Pattern-manipulation by special interest groups,who then blame CWRN for the results.
The next PR's will have large positives-shipping,removal of improperly applied pinksheet status,financials,reports of second and probably third ships in rotation etc.
I would tend to agree. Special interest groups have been so imaginative in their hundreds of reasons why ore could not be shipped and have made nellies so nervous that many wont believe til ship arrives or leaves.
Then we will hear the ship is a mirage etc. Interest groups have shouted fire so often that many have been afraid to go into the theater.
When substantial revenue occurs on a regular basis they will have to decide whether to leave the fantasy world of interest groups(ship lost at sea,not enough trucks in Mexico,the pics are fake etc)or join the real world and recognize the pps is undervalued because of the imaginative antics of special interest groups ever since real activity began last summer.
The cost will be small compared to the earnings-this usually is ignored.
Companies execute buy back when shares are undervalued. The pps has been artificially depressed for a long time by a barrage of special interest group manipulations. Buyback is a good thing.
They will also retire a significant # of insider shares in a structured plan combination.See my 12-17? post.
They plan on 60% buy back but buyback will probably continue beyond that. That is SOP. Big iron companies are buying back ca 10 billion stock this year at e.g. $65/share. Nobody complains about their cost of buyback because their stockholders know it is a good thing.
I agree. And after he presents the bill of lading to the bank as per the DLC for the ore loaded on the ship he wont have to worry about cutting corners. I think they would have already increased the trucking if it weren't for the delay in the shipping-didn't want too much ore just sitting dockside.
Yes cap is only 57 million. As masscommuter noted in his recent calculations,if they ship 100k/month(very doable w 24 trucks at specs noted by pesquero)210 million gross and 105 million probable net income/year.
They are probably already producing 100k ton/month at mine and trucking ca 70k ton/month. Just need to increase trucking and shipping to match production.
Yes. But eventually logic and experience dictate substantial recurring revenue will be reflected in the stock price,even aside from all other considerations.
The 1st ship rev of ca 7.5 million alone vaults CWRN over a decent % of penny companies and after a few shipments...
And very few penny companies have CWRN's inventory of 300-500 thousand dmt- ca 82.5 million at the spot price.
Tianjin,the ores destination at lat of 39'08" N is equivalent to lat of N.California. Long 117'11" E.
Ensenada 31'47"N;116'36" W.
So 5624 nautical miles from Ensenada to Tianjin.
At the time you posted this the price had opened .0247,risen to .025 and fallen to .0249 or .0248. Which is essentially a stable price-that in itself is nothing to worry about.
Not too much emphasis should be placed on such short term pps when the fundamentals are there. Very few penny companies have any fundamentals. Probably 300-500k tons of ore in inventory would be as much as $82.5 million at todays spot.
(Some of us have been holding for years. If we were as nervous as some here we would have committed suicide long ago).
The 1st ship has been confirmed as arriving 3-24 8 pm and leaving 3-28 5 am loaded with ca $7.5 million in ore.
That 1st shipment alone elevates CWRN over a good % of penny companies in the gross and net income category and very few pennies have that much inventory.
http://www.mbironoreindex.com/Article/2792580/MBIO-Index-23-March-2011-164.98-tonne.
For 62% ore to China. Our ore has been reported as 59-63% prior to separation so should bring some premium over prices quoted on a 62% basis.
I agree. They had processed(except for the delayed custom magnetic separator received ca 12-24-10)118,000 tons of ore by the end of December.
They already had a provisional or completed Documentary Letter of Credit for 32 million by the 12-30-10 PR,so they fully expected all the ore mined in Nov and Dec to be shipped this 1st qtr-thus translating Nov/Dec mined ore to revenue.
They expected to have the ca 175,000 to 185,000 tons of ore covered by the DLC to be shipped the 1st qtr.
Nov/Dec PR's expected ramping up to at least 100 to 105k tons shipping/month-it is believed they are mining at least that much/month,and w 24 trucks and pesqueros specs re R/T and net loads they could truck 105k/month. Last we heard they had 18 trucks.
Unexpected negotiations over details(such as price of fuel mentioned by PR)and late arrival of the custom mag sep delayed trucking until ca Jan 11(the reported date stamp on the 1st trucking pics).
Delays in the shipping process and the learning curve in dealing with shipping sharks delayed the shipping.
Every step of the process dealt with difficulties,many of which could not be foreseen. Such as substantial delays in the custom separator which were not even foreseen by the company putting the separator together.
This is par for the course in any start up operation. The other penny stocks I've had have had worse delays and none of them have made this transition to substantial revenue. This is the only stock I've followed to make that unusual transition.
So I shake my head in looking at the stalled pps the last 2 plus months(largely as a result of some of the most imaginative manipulation by special interest groups I've ever seen)and wonder what do people expect?
This transition is as good as it gets.
The promised updated financials should come soon and once any shipping bugs are resolved they could ship the 100-105k/month they expected in PR's.
For those who don't know this pictures ca 7 CWRN trucks waiting for customs to open at 7 a.m.-like a similar pic supplied by pesquero weeks or months back. They take advantage of pre-rush hour traffic to arrive minutes before port customs opens and continue trucking til customs closes at 10 or 11 pm. The roofed semi is the only non-CWRN truck it would appear.
Many people had evidence that the 4-24 date was a mistake and that has now been abundantly confirmed,inter alia, from vesseltracker.com(ontoprofits post above) and an email from the KRITON's captain.
But no amount of evidence is sufficient to special interest groups who claim the pictures are fake etc.
Shouting fire-such as Kriton lost at sea(not true)is not funny. Always some outlandish claims/fear tactics by special interest groups. To reassure nellies, jokes re Bermuda triangle or aliens by longs were just that(jokes re comments by special interest groups)-I say that because many millions believe in those things and nellies might believe it.
Many people indicated the 4-24 date was a mistake and just days ago temeku posted the following email sent to Bob by the captain of the KRITON,indicating the KRITON's arrival March 24 to pick up CWRN ore,as I said in the first line of my post:
temeku999 Member Profile temeku999 Share Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:28:08 PM
Re: None Post # of 34150
Bob just sent me this. Looks like he got confirmation on the ship. Im not talking about 10,000 ships, just one, our ship!
The following is the 7 day notice given frm the Captain of MV Kriton..
FM:MV KRITON
TO:PORT AGENT
CC:COSFAR
CC:NIKATOR NAVIGATION
MARCH 17, 2011
GOOD DAY,
THIS IS 7 DAY NOTICE, ETA ENSENADA 24/03 2000 LT WP YR MSG RCVD AND NTD
BRGDS/MASTER
looks like it will be there next thur. at 8pm Pacific Daylight Time or Mountian Standard Time(My time LOL)
The 42007 dmt KRITON is due this Thursday as per the captains email posted on this board.
The price for FIRST load was somewhere between $169-184/ton. Masscommuter indicates $184/ton. That is $7.1 to 7.7 million. Only a small % of penny companies even have that gross per year.
Once shipping bugs are resolved,if they use 42000 dmt vessels,they will probably have three vessels in rotation,so shipping occurs twice/month.
The trucking,as per net loads/round trip times provided by our port man pesquero,can truck ca 3375 tons/day with 18 trucks,which would fill a KRITON every 2 weeks,as pesquero said months back.
Increase to 24 trucks and truck 105k dmt/month,as PR's indicate CWRN planned.
Just 18 trucks would be 15 million gross and 7.5 million net per month. I doubt you could find another such penny company with CWRN's O/S for under 25 to 50 cents.
Amazing. Days away from first shipping and special interest groups still control much discussion with the same recycled questions designed to raise doubt(without proof-shouting fire in a crowded theatre,which in the real world can be a crime).
They aren't diluting. Somebody received communication some(not much)buyback already began(because last we heard under budget). .
Recent info from Bob and Bullit69 is that first shipment will pay off the debt and buyback will occur on a ship by ship basis(See PR's) .
Insider shares will also be retired in a structured plan-see PR's and my previous posts.
The usual interest groups employ the usual magicians misdirection to distract from this almost unique penny breakthrough with the usual cries, all of which have been abundantly asked and answered.
They are and will be buying back. TA agents are gagged for many reasons,including at their own request because they don't want to be deluged by queries(and imo often don't respond even if not gagged),just like company lawyers.
A/S is not the same as O/S. Last known O/S-posted on pinksheets-is 2.308 billion. Last known float 299 million last spring. We know they issued shares since but the vast majority of financing was accomplished via much more economical debt -deep pocket investors clear from PR's including investors willingness to back much larger ventures(2-28 PR),including new larger mine in S-central Baja CWRN will operate(2-28 PR).
The sub is a private creation of CWRN's and has no issued shares of its own so all profit goes to CWRN shareholders(see my previous posts).
I've never seen so much made out of ce-asked and answered scores of times-see my Jan 13-14 posts. Ce alone will not hold back price as much once substantial revenue begins. I saw one company go from forty cents or less to $4.70 pps while under a ce in only a few months- without CWRN's expected revenue!
Delays are the name of the game and occur with even the biggest blue chips-but our last delay prior to substantial revenue-shipping-is almost over.
Wring your hands in absolute fear nellies,crawl into your bomb shelters and default the coming pps increase-thats the message you receive with ANY stock with promise. The only penny stocks you will not hear that re are stocks with NO potential because nothing is happening.
see this post by masscommuter:
masscommuter Member Profile masscommuter Member Level Share Friday, December 10, 2010 11:16:12 AM
Re: i.t.m.d. post# 12723 Post # of 34125
Scottrade: customer service explains no-buy CWRN restriction
Bottom line: if you want to buy at Scottrade, ask for Compliance Desk & just persist with questions. I think they will buy CWRN.
Their stated reasons for"no buy" restrictions are bogus, invalid, won't hold up in Scottrade's customer-centric culture. Just keep questioning.
Scottrade's Compliance guy (customer service) first told me that DTC[C] had placed a "Global Lock" on trading CWRN.
I called DTCC (888-382-2721, hit 4, then 3).
The lady who looked up CWRN, via CUSIP # 221737 307, said: "There's no 'chill' on this. No problems, no recent problems, CWRN is trading A-OK."
On my call back to Scottrade, I learned that they have CWRN flagged with the code "NSCC Illiquid."
I explained that DTCC has No Problems with CWRN.
Compliance guy couldn't answer why it's restricted, talked about "additional capital requirements" but agreed that didn't make sense with DTCC's clean bill of health. He said he'd look into it.
NSCC regulations do call for "additional capital" when a broker has a threshold percentage of unsettled trades. If that's the case at Scottrade, maybe they're behind the massive short volume in CWRN.
To be technical, the email forwarded by Bob to Temeku March 17 from the KRITON captain indicated the KRITON would arrive 8pm on this Thursday the 24th,though we probably won't know the exact time til ca 10 hours before arrival.
Amazing! Days away from one of the rarest events in pinky land-transition to substantial recurring revenues-
-and the special interest groups who fraudulently accused CWRN of a promotion and therefore got CWRN slapped with an undeserved ce are still controlling the discussion.
The following is some of the info from my posts Jan 13-14,upon learning of the ce game(that's what it was -part of a larger game):
I called OTC trading services(otcmarket.com-212-896-4420 or 1-800-547-8682) when the ce was slapped.
They told me the reason was a PERCEIVED PROMOTION.
That companies without current filings for which there is a perceived promotion may receive the CE symbol.
OTC said they look at a number of things-especially price changes and market activity.
Special interest groups(who had artificially and substantially depressed stock price for many months in a seemingly unprecedented way) complain because they lost control and were being killed by the price rise.
OTC sees no current filings and sees the dramatic volatility, volume and price rise-which in pinky land almost always is the result of a paid promotion by multiple stock newsletters. Neither I nor anybody else has had evidence of such.
The stock was not only gapping day to day but intra-day.
So as a caution they issue CE until they can determine what is going on re promotion-and until current filings are posted and current pinksheet fees paid.
The PR re presumed 1st quarter revenues when the company had no current filing may have factored into this as a promotion.
[We now know that CWRN had a Documentary Letter of credit(DLC)-finished or in process pursuant to a contract-for 32 million. But OTC didn't know that and they don't investigate when the sudden multi-day gapping etc LOOKS LIKE a promotion- because in most cases such multi-day gapping is due to a promotion].
What OTC did not know was that many had just discovered CWRN was about to achieve substantial recurring revenues as a result of ongoing "full production" since Nov 5,2010.
He said they have no knowledge of any fraudulent activity.
This OTC matter has NOTHING to do with the SEC,as special interest groups keep trying ad nauseum to suggest.
The special interest group knew there was no promotion.
So ask yourself why they sounded the alarm under false pretense. It is always easier to take advantage of the culture of fear they've created in a recession to destroy than it is to build.
The false accusers know they win temporarily in this smear campaign-the pink elephant syndrome.
Thus the constant obsessive CE postings as part of a larger smear campaign-every type of manipulation by special interest groups has been used because this transition to substantial revenues is such an unusual event.
These groups thus steal your money,which would be a felony anywhere but the stock market.
As itmd says the stock will recover because the fundamentals-actual production w multiple shiploads of stockpiled material-are there and the company will soon have substantial revenues-unlike 99.9% of companies with a ce.
Most of you have traded many CE stocks to $5 plus/share because hundreds of companies promoted by newsletters had the CE BEFORE any promotion,for reasons other than a PERCEIVED promotion.
There are over ten thousand stocks in the grey market alone(otcmarkets.com)-a class below CWRN's recent no info status.
Nobody has yet to provide any evidence of a promotion and the company has denied any promotion. The only "evidence" is the 12-30 PR -which was backed by the DLC and contract,finalized or not at that time.
The pinksheet fees have been paid. Now CWRN needs to post current financials through 12-31 to have the ce removed. The 2-28 PR indicated the ce would be resolved this month. The ce has helped keep the pps greatly undervalued.
I agree. That prep will actually begin if they post audited financials for the second qtr. Financials are not due til 45 days after a qtr ends(and annuals 60 days),but they have said they will have audited financials by mid-April.
Presumably the accountant has prepared the quarterly reports since the last quarterly was filed Oct 7,2009 through 12-31. When financials are posted through Dec 31,2010,they will have "current info" status.
If they post audited financials and comply with any additional requirements they could have OTCBB status via the OTCQB classification.
If they achieve and hold a pps of ten cents or more for at least 90 days and comply with all transparency requirements(they will easily exceed the asset,income and market cap requirements)they can get into the highest OTCBB class-the OTCQX,which has only about 150 companies and is scoured by institutional investors.
CWRN's project manager "Bullit69" said in post 31525 on 3-2-11 that the first shipment will pay off the debt.
I had estimated the ca 27 pieces of equipment that I knew of at $3 to 3.6 million if all bought new(I think the 3 or 4 mag separators for the 1-3mm ore are used).
Someone said 1st shipment would bring $7.1 million. For the 42007 ton KRITON that would be $169/ton. I had guessed contract price at $175,which would be $7.35 million.
Some have had a difficult time understanding that net profit is about 50% in this bullish industry,so there is plenty to go around,especially with debt paid off from first shipment. The big producers have cash coming out of their ears so they are spending ca 10 billion this year to buy back their stock.
If you look at historical iron prices you see why.
Until 2003,iron was only about $28/ton. This year it has ranged from ca $162-191 or more/ton. Its not likely to go below $150/ton,for,as Agmetalminer said 12-13-10,Chinese domestic cost of production at $150/ton for the Chinese poor grades of domestic ore(averaging only 30% iron and declining)sets a floor for ore prices.
As pesquero pointed out months ago gravel producers make a profit at $15/ton.
An email or other source from Bob some weeks ago said the share buyback would be on a ship by ship basis-i.e,indicating some proceeds from each ship would be allocated to buyback. Don't forget about the similar retirement of insider shares,as noted in several PR'S(see my past posts).
The 2-28 PR indicated CWRN'S deep pocket backers were willing to back bigger projects also,presumably such as the new,larger South central Baja mine,for which CWRN will be the operating partner, and has already paid the concession fees.
My experience so far with those sites -e.g vesseltracker.com- is that the vessels are often out of range of their tracking until within 24 hours of arrival. Don't know why when gps is universal but people with ship experience have debated that on this board. KRITON will probably be out of range until 3-23--though some have sometimes found earlier information.
Bob PR'd 12-30-10 about the 32 million because he had a documentary letter of credit(DLC)for 32 million-it wasn't just a wild forecast and it wasn't a promotion since he had the DLC-and at the time it was a reasonable assumption the 32 mill would be shipped in 1st qtr-they already had 118k of a possible 183k(based on my guess of spot at time of signing) in the contract already processed.
Then apparently there were unexpected changes(not all terms of a contract have to be specified if there is a reference to verifiable outside indexes such as spot and provision for such changeables etc)because of rapidly changing spot,the rapidly changing nature of iron contracts,and even over items such as fuel costs(as noted by the PR).
He PR'd about the contractual date for the ship and the PR mentioned a substitute ship may be used-that was the shipping companies discretion. The shipping company switched ships on them and caused the delay and Bob wasn't happy about it and couldn't give the name of the substitute until he was positive about it-not just 90%.
As previously mentioned more frequent blogs-semi monthly would help at this stage-and probably reduce Bobs email workload-but he couldn't tell us what he himself did not know about the shipping.
As Bob stated in his email to me they will be more careful in the next shipping contract re what leeway they allow the shipping company.
Btw the larger(57000 dmt vs 42007 dmt KRITON)faster(15 vs 11.3 knots)newer(christened 5-2010)IOANNIS THEO rents for only 13k to 14k/day-and the cost I imagine would be a fair amount less.
Of course by now Bob, by way of Temeku, has confirmed the KRITON arrival 3-24-11.
If one looks at other emails from Bob on this board they would notice Bob uses "lol" a lot. I didn't notice the commas because it wasn't my sentence.
I was just glad to get confirmation of soon shipping and thus continued trucking.
I've never known another CEO that personally responds to hundreds of emails either. But Bob does,though many,including myself, think he should put out at least semi-monthly blogs or updates now that they are producing and imminently shipping.
I use a lot of commas also and have held similar positions.
They still have more room at the port. They are still trucking and will keep trucking because the first ship should arrive next week.
The KRITON holds 42007 tons if I remember correctly,is 179 meters long with a beam of 31 meters.
vesseltracker.com reports IOANNIS THEO 140 miles from Ensenada ca 2 a.m with Ensenada as its immediate destination but it is not likely our ship, as seemingly confirmed by the following email from Bob after market yesterday:
"March 17th, is the contracted date of cargo vessel landing; however, they do have late days and apparently, the vessel will not be here until next week, which by the way, is not considered by us as a delay???? ...Next contract will be worded a lot better, ship chances will not be allowed unless its dry docked or sinks.. LOL.."
I think Bob means by "not considered by us as a delay" that there were no penalties in the contract for this amount of delay-one week from the contractual 17th. Like all learning curves they will be better prepared to deal with the shipping sharks next contract.
Bob doesn't mention the ship name but the KRITON is apparently due 3-24,as reported by others, not 4-24.
I've signed up for alerts at vesseltracker.com, but if my experience is typical, these vessel sites don't alert you until the vessel is practically on top of the port.