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What the F is going on with the trading?
My speculation is yes....unless a
payment is due q3 they should have operating profit.....
My guidance basically treated my $500 offer on basics on how to read filings regarding mslp hasn't given me anything (to be honest I think it may have come across as an insult...other than me being naive).
Common stock debt holders? Q3 cfp? Could be interesting??
gonna change my name to learning while red!
You do remember who your talking to? A 6 digit guy (low).
That's why asked you a personal question....were you humbled or did you have guidance? How much did it cost you? $? Time!?
To explain my mp feeling:
I see a lot of similarities in my biz and life (thinking I should cut life out of this speculation).
I run a 2star biz with 5star service via effort (I put in more than I should)....
I can only get at best 25% one year rev....the big players squeeze me saying who's gonna pay you and the little guys don't realize the value.
With a merger my biz is atlesst 75% rev today and I know I can sell for 125% or more when market is ripe...it's worth holding.....
What Fs me up with mslp is share structure and ownership...their competition has margins of 60%avg....at prime market that is 2000% current pps.
It's just like my biz it's values at roughly 35% of true value and 10% of prime.
Got that part already especially the capital red color.
But Ive always made it back 5 steps forward....then moved on....think I'm having a relapse with mslp based on what your saying.....been 5 years since I fell short.
By the time i get out of my biz I'll be up in experience (done with this industry), made a living , improved my depth....good and bad.
I only wish I was in that situation....I wouldn't be loosing money, but them I wouldnt have learned....and I would have walked around telling people how much I know when actually don't know sh$%....I know lots of people like this....especially my generation and younger (same as brad and Cory).
I've poorly managed my money....learning again the hard way (not good)....
My lifetime balance sheet could go red again - not good (32 different jobs I've had and i always find myself taking the first step backwards before going forward....if I could resolve this issue alone I would be up 500% min on life balance sheet)...and its happened again with a larger$number, yet the same weighted risk as before.....it's a bad habit like my rambling....always looking for the next....without completeing the first.....but my problem is I don't even really know what I'm looking for, but I sure am
Motivated $$-----down,down,down
So....I'll go with basics: my mother always said "good things happen to good people, but! You have to work to be good." I started listening to this after being humbled with my biz in 2007...waiting till the next industry pump to sell. I can only get 20% of its future value on a pump(of the industry im in) bit I can't even get 50% of its true current value if I sold today.
It's 50% with 955k shares at .0165.
My other 50% is with advisor...short term bonds (80%), and 4 ADRs (20%)vale, pbr, ewz, gol. Will sell gol on q2 2014....the other ADrs: evaluate as time goes (life term)
Like i said I'm paying dearly for learning to date, but I'm looking for new income to simplify livin in both cultures (brazil/my wife) or anywhere.... I love to travel.
Is the liklymess of zero anywhere near the chance of .01% (that's what the chances of meeting my wife were....and it happened)....I really can't fathom a bk auction price less the double the current pps fully diluted?
IMO - Codie actually made the only legit reply to this....that if they aren't in bk they can arrange their own terms?
I take your word as well as the pps as evidence that brad in not a bizman....Can not get financing via angel or public by stabilizing?
He sold and will sell to an optomistc 33% to 25% without looking back....and he sell a ton at 50% or more than he has a lot to sell at .008 just to retain his 25%.
But like I said "would he even look at the job".....assuming it is genuine inquiry?
Remember my head of ma post....in your eyes would he take the job (assuming he is looking for a retirement project)?
If he did...what you pps guess?
Or for that matter any major reputable finance public exec?
Mine is .05+ (on announcement alone) (pre)?
Your still here and I'm still learning....the hard way and I just don't have enough evidence to jump to the right or the left.
I'm not currently trading, just holding....I'm an emotional driven person....emotional person (keeps ethics inline-good thing) but it also (side tracks / causes wondering - not good or productive).
More directly: I'm learning to trade as well and in hindsight I should have, but I didn't see the value of the pps was solely based on the sentiment of ihub (meaning I didn't know the pps was propped up by conversation of 30+ mill)
I also see the pps with a fully diluted 2.5 billion at an auction price after bk at .025 as a worst case scenario.
Can warrants be hidden in 8k or previous s1? Seems like the conversion to common stock was an effort to alleviate any hostile control of pps....seems like debt holders are optomistic and went along wIth it? Or what is due q3 that keeps them from being q3 profitable?
In an attempt not to ramble....
As you have gathered I am learning trading and corporate strategy for public companies (this is me paying to learn...if I learn quickly I will get an exponential discount on cost of education....I've already learned that lesson the hard way).
I figured the bigger market already new this, hence the pps moved down in low volume....my trading afterthought....it will come back up??
I also thought with limited rev they would be operating profit, which in my mind is game-changing, but I missed the extra in new exec compensation and Canada office....they were there...
And I do know I can be an emotional trader - not emotional about mp....trying to control this
Hunterdog do you use their products? Do you know the size of the their products?
Being a carpenter and all....how much space is need for 100mill in product? You know space and they filed the size of their lease locations.....how much product are they shipping for others????is it space for forecasted future sales? Is this why you are adamant about sale growing continually and them getting a better rate?
Cause I thought these location combined, from very rough estimates, could house 50 to 75 million in product at any single moment in time.
Did you mean that any amended agreements included are just that (amended)? And that any agreement not included still stands? Could there also be additional agreements or would those be an 8k, form 4...thus not being included on the S1a?
Hunterdog and juatlovethegame....I mentioned hopes for a Q3 operating profit and ou thought just not yet....why?
They were just shy last 2 q's due to increase in employees and the opening of the Canada location...what agreement that I haven't been able to locate from past filings is coming up?
This q without question should be 22mill in rev....maybe upto 30+ (personally I think 23-24)....so what is going to be the reason for non-operating profit this q? Last q I had forecasted correctly what the rev would be, but didn't account for new exec compensation, cost related to Canada office which I should have been able to put together had a paid enough attention.
So what is it that is due to be paid or whom?
What difference would that make?
Am I correct to assume that you mean you can see whether or not they have improved the value of such agreements in correspondence with the pps, thus the change is relevant?
Other than that the historical filings hold no current merit after the s1a?
If possible an example would be helpful.
Thanks for remembering me...I don't even remember the most recent questions or posed to you that were releveant to the stock? Just the few about a your learing curve and if you had positions available? The answer to those I assume were you won't say and NO job for you....I just don't understand why when I ask you a few real questions that you can't reply?
But then a comment like this and I'm the person that comes to mind.
I'm NOT in love with this stock...I just really dont understand share structure crapola...and my disability doesn't help.
I do understand black vs. red and I have a strong feeling about black (as minimal as it may be)
Here is a real question for you though: Do all filings prior to the most S1A become irrelevant (other than being a historical record of changes)? Do I actually need to attempt to comperehend prior events or is the S1A proof in the pudding?
How would you know if ou don't what the cost of the services rendered was?
Not saying your wrong....but without anti-dilution rights and few to any warrants wouldnt you actually need to know the actual cost of services rendered in exchange for shares??
My thoughts exactly. People tend to forget or don't know that coke owns NoZ and Pepsi owns Gatorade.
My only worry/unknown is how long are they willing to let mp perish?
I see them both as letting mp do all the "dirty" work....who jumps first? How high will mp make them jump?
I only hope the new managent is just as good at cleaning up this mess of mp decides to go it alone as they should be at M&A.....that's why I asked the head at amp to take a look
I am trying to figure that out as well....as well as how many warrants still exist?
"if" I understood correctly there are only 46 million warrants out there and the rest is common stock.....which means everything is liquid and the dates for selling can not be determined in advance....rather it is dependent on each shareholders individual risk limitation.
Some may need money tomorrow to keep their biz afloat, some may have a true valuation price point.
Overall it's a let's wait and see.....and like you I am curious about anti-dilution....and warrants in play
I will admit this could be true but I lack experience here....legally without rambling this theory hold some truth as mp has not entered bk....
Where is jltg? Ego?
Don't hide now? Any job openings?
I love it! I ask for a response from somebody else and I get you.....
And to br honest....I missed you so much! I wanted to congrAtulate you on how right you have been!
To date that is!!!!!
Keep going I'm listening!
Can I get an answer from the "ego" I called?
2 maybe 3 questions for you:
How long did it take for you o achieve the success and understanding and insight you have for business today?
Was it given to you? Did you just learn along the way? Or did you have to crushed and humbled to get to where you are today?
I ask because you have spoken at times as though many here are inferior....
I'm just starting to learn the basics of public companies and any company that operates with 7 digits or more....but personally I had to be crushed and humbled just to manage a 5 digit company.
And I do understand why you have choice responses....as it is your advantage....and nothing is for free....it just seems like your premium is exponentially high. Is it because of this environment?
You have any job openings?
Guess it was 7 or 8 questions....still a bad habit, but this is the place (ihub) for me to burn it off!
Edit:He gets to me the same way sometimes with his choice replies or lack there of.....
But in this case it is clear and he was trying to save you the time....which also pisses me off too because I like to learn and helps me to understand.
The pps has no reflect on the share distribution of ownership.....the only hupothetical way for them to take advantage in your scenario would to buy on the open market, and that's a shitload of shares to buy....and the pps would rocket with them holding the bag.
Also like a bk - a fair value is decided by a judge, not the pps. And the judge looks at competition, not the way a couple of idiots give themselves free ownership. In this case a judge would force them to dissolve a major portion of their ownership.
For quick money makers a bk would still make you happy if your average is anything under .04.
I've been through a company bk as an owner....however not public
Im not the best at interpreting filings but I imagined the S1 as a real meeting where heads were smashing and voices reached a fever pitch.
Previous mp execs (3 stooges as called here) stood up and yelled "if we follow your advice there in NO way we will give anti-dilution rights....especially if we don't get them"
Something is on the way.....I've tried to go through a ton of penny company filings and have yet to see one that is speaking so clearly with the sec all the while leaving us in mystery land
Edit:I thought I read in the S1 that all compensation had been accounted in the OS after the issuance of the 305 million shares?
I thought those agreements were terminated? Except for the recent agreement of services to be rendered, which is why I thought they had te mini pump to get them to execute??
Sorry I cant point to anything specific as still on vacation.....till Monday.
I can't see....how do you know it's fake?
I blinked twice and it was back to .012 to .011.
Can anybody tell me where sunr is sitting on the bid and ask?
4 positive posts in a row....guess I'll have to sell
I think = speculate. Year over year q3 is the best. Shares issued for compensation of new execs ha already been accounted for (if I read the S1 correctly)
I was very happy with the brazil info I got....no discounts being applied here (atlesst none to the public) and its definitely becoming more popular....problem is I cant figure out when the distributors make their buys.
My speculation is also based on why the massive effort to become more transparent with the books? Yes the made some pretty errant PR's, but what true investor, angel, or private equity firm listens to PR?
They read books.....why does mp make horrific pr statements....then increase their transparency of the books???? The PR's were meant for the like of me, the tell when to buy, whem to run for the hills....but the books - those are for INVESTORS, NOT the likes of me (I can't honestly say I cant comprehend any filings completely let alone 50% if I get some help here on ihub).
Pr or lack there of are telling the likes of me to get lost....why? Cause investors like me are a hassle?
I include myself as a pain in the ass as an investor as I first came to make a quick buck and this my first stock ever.....I'm learning quickly and in the hardest and most costly way....
I did.... Looks like it took all day....next buy .01 for 250k.... Don't think it will get filled.
I honestly think q3 is operation profit with rev in the 23 mill range
Not a lot of time to do that IMO....I expect q3 of 23 to 25 million with an operating profit of 1 million plus.
How many shares you trying to get back?
I've been tryin to buy......0111 for another 75k....fill me up please..
If I were to guess any sellers (depending on the amount) under .015 will have to pay more to get there shares back than what they sold them for....very frustrating....
Keep bashing....maybe someone will sell to me....I'm up next
I don't ignore anybody....for all I know it's your alter ego....not saying it is.
My point being; awknoledge the ego not the text.....
This guy post so eloquently, yet provides no information....he is an ego....a controlling shareholder...or a wanna be.....
For example he has replied with such haste that I doubt he is even american (which I could care less as I have married a Brazilian and am open to culture- yet he post with incredible linguistics), while his post are very demonstrative of a different culture (orderly)...he is either a non adaptive american or an alter-ego with an agenda.....both require my attention....not necessarily my blessing.
I can sit with the best of them until I open my mouth and my experience (casual use of language) leads people to believe my intellect is sub-par....or I show my lack of education in the trading world(especially in regards to pennies).
I have openly posted my if ignorance (read my posts), but my attempt to learn something new is not lacking....I could squash this guy in 2 seconds in a meeting with execs.....unless he's an alter ego...(then this may be an example of his ability to know and understand the value of his comments better than I)....
I've been honest from day 1...that's whys biz is only 6 digits and not public rather than 8 to 10 and public.....
It's all speculation.....and speculation is liquidity.....
My question is why speculation was so minimal for q3 that somebody paid for liquidity????
Who's buying or dumping more shares?
I'm as lost as anybody, but I speculate it's to buy
Thank you for the trading post! Can you post price?
I'm knew at the trading side of the game.
Thank you for the trading post! Can you post price?
I'm knew at the trading side of the game.
" I think" the game is getting harder to play. If I've learned one thing it's buy on no vOlume and sell on volume ...irrelevant of pps.
I'm loading
Can anybody tell me where sunr (mm) is sitting?