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All of this bull.
to manipulate (or shake) the newbie and longs?
I bought a few shares a couple of months ago, and I am going to hold and see how this plays out. It should be interesting to watch. I understand the basics of pumping and bashing, but I am curious about their specific agendas. I am sure I will never know.
Thanks for taking the time.
No offense taken.
and no I am not any one of those characters. No flames from me.
I am new to this type of environment. I am just trying to learn what I can.
If you were to speculate,
What do you believe their agendas are?
Hello Goose,
I tend to agree with you. Mecator needs the pps to go up. Don't we all.
I am new to these boards and would appreciate your point of view as to why DD, allinone, and absoluttrader are there.
Hey Person...
Would you mind breaking that down for a newbie.
I don't quite understand what you mean.
opps, guess I'm not the only one.
He keeps pumping his microcap service with neom.
I received one last week and one today.
Scan yourself?
Soon you may be able to scan yourself to track your own health.
Call your doctor. "hey doc, things don't look so good". Doc replies, " yeah, according to your scan, you are dead".
Speaking of cryptic...
Always is not the only one that sends behind the scenes messages. I would love to have the opportunity to gain additional behind the scenes commentary.
I find it a little annoying when everyone else does it too.
Yes, me too!
I never heard from them. An email or a phone call would have been appropriate. Little businesses can turn into large ones -- as they should know.
No response sends a bad message.
A repeat of the Shelron press release
Associated Press
Update 1: Cell Phone Shipments Rise 24 Percent
01.28.2005, 07:51 AM
More cell phones than ever were shipped in the fourth quarter, with the industry growing 24 percent over the same quarter last year, the technology research firm IDC reported Thursday.
Nokia Corp.'s introduction of nine new models helped the Finnish phone maker maintain its market-leading position, although No. 2 Motorola Inc. grew at a faster rate on the strength of its own new models, IDC said.
Global shipments of mobile phones reached 194.3 million units in the October to December period, breaking the previous record of 164.5 million set in last year's third quarter, IDC said. Shipments increased 18.1 percent from the third quarter to the fourth.
Cell phone shipments also broke a full-year record in 2004, with 664.5 million units shipped compared with 513.8 million in 2003, for a 29.3 percent gain.
Nokia's fourth-quarter market share was 34 percent, with 66.1 million units shipped, up nearly 29 percent from the previous quarter, IDC said. Nokia's full-year market share for 2004 was 31.2 percent.
Schaumburg, Ill.-based Motorola strengthened its No. 2 market position with a 16.4 percent share last quarter and a 36.5 percent increase in shipments compared with the previous quarter. Motorola launched more than 20 new devices, including its heavily marketed RAZR V3.
No. 3 Samsung spent most of 2004 closing in on Motorola, but fell further behind in the fourth quarter with a 7 percent decline in shipments compared with the previous quarter. The drop left the South Korean company with a 10.9 percent share.
LG Electronics narrowly overtook Siemens for the No. 4 position, with a 7.2 percent market share to Siemens' 6.9 percent. Other cell phone makers combined had 24.6 percent of the market.
"Now that there is more clarity among the top three spots, the competition will continue to heat up for the final two positions," said Ramon Llamas, research analyst in IDC's Mobile Devices Group.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2005/01/28/ap1789375.html
It's getting old!
I receive them. Just got it yesterday. A little REAL news would be preferred.
Many of his stocks are getting hammered. Wait till they drop 75%, then buy.
Let's hope he is right about Neom. He is not keeping me in. The DD on I-hub does.
LONG
watafastazz
Thanks Orange.
Yes, that helps a lot.
If
Now that's good news.
Wasn't someone recently concerned these guys were competitors?
Looks like Shelron knows who has the patents.
Who's next?
From Pondering.
1/17/05
Symbian's Best Apps?
From SymbianOne Nokia, Sendo, Siemens and Symbian Challenge Finalists announced.
The Series 60 Challenge, sponsored by Nokia, Sendo, Siemens and Symbian, generated 138 registrations in total from all over the world. Finalists have been announced with winners to be selected and announced next month at Series 60 Gala to be held in Nice
The Series 60 Challenge team, with the support of a team of experts, spent the first two weeks of January testing and analyzing the submissions. On Thursday, January 13, 2005, the Series 60 Challenge Jury selected the finalists.
The Series 60 Challenge team would like to thank everyone who took part in the competition. The majority of the submitted entries were innovative concepts and professionally done. It was an exciting and rewarding time to review the entries.
Best Media/Music App
Scanbuy Inc. - scanZOOM: scanZOOM is a solution that allows customers to access multiple content with their camera phone. By pointing at a bar-code with their camera, consumers capture and decode that information, then transmit it to the scanZOOM middleware platform that will obtain and reformat multiple content related to the product bar-code.
It's nice to see a mobile OS recognize this application.
posted by Vangorilla
From PonderingPrimate
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http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,6771,65120,00.html
Would this be considered a form of paid advertising?
Is Neom a Nokia Pro member?
Texas Instruments.
January 17, 2005 10:14:12 (ET)
DALLAS, Jan 17, 2005 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Texas Instruments today announced plans to deliver ISO/IEC 14443 compliant radio frequency identification (RFID) chips designed to meet the stringent security requirements for MasterCard International's PayPass(TM) line of RFID payment cards and tokens. TI expects to submit this product for MasterCard certification in the second quarter of 2005. Full production is planned to start in the second half of this year
TI's new 13.56 MHz RFID chip is the latest to be introduced in a series of solutions based on the company's ISO/IEC 14443 technology platform. This proven platform features products with universally accepted and standardized cryptography, using National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) approved crypto algorithms, including Triple DES and SHA-1.
The ISO/IEC 14443 standard allows for this increased level of security because it supports significantly faster rates of data exchange (up to 848 kbits per second), enabling more complex security information to be passed between an RFID card and reader without affecting the user's experience. As an added feature, read ranges for products based on the ISO/IEC 14443 platform are also limited to 4 centimeters (roughly 1.5 inches), further increasing the security of the transaction.
As credit and bank card issuers expand pilots throughout the United States and into other countries, the opportunity for TI to serve this market with its secure ISO/IEC 14443 solutions is significant. The December 2004 Nilson Report indicates that payment card manufacturers shipped 4.38 billion units to card issuers (Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Diners Club, Discover, JCB, and ATM cards) and retailers (both credit and pre-paid cards) in 2003. In the first half of 2004, MasterCard's customer financial institutions worldwide had issued more than 627.5 million MasterCard-branded cards, a 6.6% increase over the same period in 2003, according to an August 2004 MasterCard press release.
"The financial services industry recognizes that ISO/IEC 14443-based RFID solutions provide the stringent levels of security required for conducting payment transactions," said Shawn Rogers, director, wireless commerce and Tag- it(TM) products, Texas Instruments RFid Systems. "With our heritage in pioneering technologies in new markets, we're working with leading bank card issuers and credit card companies to bring these highly reliable and secure RFID solutions to this market."
About Texas Instruments
Texas Instruments is the world's largest integrated manufacturer of radio frequency identification (RFID) transponders and reader systems. Capitalizing on its competencies in high-volume semiconductor manufacturing and microelectronics packaging, TI is a visionary leader and at the forefront of establishing new markets and international standards for RFID applications. For more information, contact TI-RFid Systems at 1-888-937-6536 (North America) or +1 972-575-4364 (International), or visit the Web site at http://www.ti-rfid.com.
Texas Instruments Incorporated provides innovative DSP and analog technologies to meet our customers' real world signal processing requirements. In addition to Semiconductor, the company's businesses include Sensors & Controls, and Educational & Productivity Solutions. TI is headquartered in Dallas, Texas and has manufacturing, design or sales operations in more than 25 countries. Texas Instruments is traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol TXN. More information is located on the World Wide Web at http://www.ti.com.
Bad Boy what you ganna due.
NEW YORK, Jan 14 (Reuters) - Broker watchdog NASD said on Friday it fined wireless equipment analyst Walter Piecyk $75,000 for spreading a rumor that cellphone chipmaker RF Micro Devices' (RFMD,Trade) largest customer was delaying an order.
In August 2002, Piecyk, a Fulcrum Global Partners analyst in New York, told at least eight clients by instant messages and telephone calls that RF Micro Devices' largest client, Nokia ((NOK1V.HE)) was delaying equipment orders to the company, the NASD said.
Nokia of Finland is the world's largest maker of mobile phones.
"Piecyk's failure to conduct a reasonable inquiry into the rumor and his circulating the rumor to his firm's clients constituted a (rule) violation," the NASD said in a press statement.
Fulcrum declined to comment. Piecyk, who could not be immediately reached for comment, still works at Fulcrum.
Piecyk neither admitted nor denied the charges, the NASD said.
The NASD said that when Piecyk circulated the rumor, he sold short 3,000 shares of RF Micro Devices, in a trade that bet the company's share price would fall.
RF Micro Devices' stock price declined during the morning of Aug. 22, 2002 by about 10 percent, due at least in part to the rumor, the NASD said.
The company denied the rumor in the afternoon and its share price recovered before the end of the day.
Trading volume in RF Micro Devices on August 22 was over 23 million shares, more than double the average daily volume of over 10 million shares during the preceding six months.
In October 2002, Piecyk closed his short position, earning a profit of $7,815, the NASD said.
Small World.
I'm sure it's here somewhere.
I was looking at Qpass who says Telecordia is one of their top three competitors.
This brought me back full circle to… http://www.neom.com/people/jsivis.jsp
(SAN DIEGO and PISCATAWAY, NJ) November 18, 2004 -- Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) today announced the signing of a definitive agreement to sell its subsidiary Telcordia Technologies, Inc., a leading provider of telecommunications software and services to Providence Equity Partners (Providence) and Warburg Pincus (Warburg) for $1.35 billion in cash. Providence and Warburg are equal equity investors in the transaction. The completion of the sale is subject to customary closing conditions, including regulatory approval.
Telcordia, based in Piscataway, N.J., is the leading provider of enabling software for communications networks. The company's solutions handle the complex tasks required to develop, maintain, monitor and fix today's carrier networks carrying over 80 percent of U.S. telephony traffic.
"Telcordia consistently has proven itself a leader in the telecommunications industry and a solid contributor to SAIC," said Kenneth C. Dahlberg, chairman and chief executive officer of SAIC, which purchased the company from the Regional Bell Operating Companies in 1997. "SAIC recognized that a new owner could provide Telcordia with opportunities to expand its global footprint to benefit its customers and the industry as a whole. We look forward to continuing our work with Telcordia as a business partner on both government and commercial opportunities."
"For the past two years, Telcordia has been transforming itself to help its customers automate their business and improve their bottom line," said Matt Desch, chief executive officer, Telcordia. "Providence and Warburg, both long-term growth investors in technology, media and telecom companies, have domain expertise and excellent track records in the communications industry. Providence and Warburg have the resources available to enable us to reach our full potential, capitalize on our market-leading intellectual capital and secure a global leadership position."
"Telcordia is a world leader in creating innovative telecommunications technologies," said Mark Pelson, managing director of Providence Equity Partners. "We look forward to working with the company to expand its domestic and foreign customer base."
"With a heritage of providing the critical software that runs the domestic telephony network, Telcordia is exceptionally well positioned in the industry to help telecommunications carriers deploy the new services their consumers want," said Larry Bettino, managing director of Warburg. "They have the scale, knowledge and experience to integrate these new services while preserving carriers' investments in legacy systems."
A global leader in operations support software and network services platforms, Telcordia offers consulting, systems integration, research and development and network planning services. Telcordia helps communications companies mesh complex networks and add new high-speed technology on their existing networks in order for them to be able to sell valuable, high-margin services. The completion of the sale is subject to customary closing conditions, including regulatory approval.
JP Morgan acted as SAIC's exclusive financial advisor in connection with this transaction and delivered a fairness opinion to its Board of Directors.
About Providence Equity
Providence Equity Partners Inc. is one of the world's leading private investment firms specializing in equity investments in media and communications companies. The principals of Providence Equity manage funds with over $9 billion in equity commitments and have invested in more than 70 companies operating in over 20 countries since the firm's inception in 1991. Current and previous areas of investment include cable television content and distribution, wireless and wireline telephony, publishing, radio and television broadcasting and other media and communications sectors. Significant investments include VoiceStream Wireless, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Warner Music Group, PanAmSat, AT&T Canada, eircom, Casema, Kabel Deutschland, Language Line, F&W Publications, ProSiebenSat.1, and Bresnan Broadband Holdings. The firm has offices in Providence, New York and London. For more information please visit www.provequity.com.
About Warburg Pincus
Warburg Pincus has been a leading private equity investor since 1971. The firm currently has approximately $13 billion under management, including $3 billion available for investment in a range of industries including information and communication technology, financial services, healthcare, LBOs and special situations, media and business services, energy and real estate. Warburg Pincus also has a long history as a leading investor in the information and communication technology sectors, including investments in Avaya, BEA Systems, Bharti Tele-Ventures, Harbour Networks, NeuStar and VERITAS Software. The firm is an experienced partner to entrepreneurs seeking to create and build durable companies with sustainable value and has an active portfolio of about 115 companies spanning the entire spectrum of scale and maturity. For more information please visit www.warburgpincus.com.
About Telcordia Technologies, Inc.
Telcordia Technologies, Inc. is a leading global provider of telecommunications software and services for IP, wireline, wireless and cable. By delivering on its Elementive strategy of providing flexible, standards-based solutions that optimize complex network and business support systems, Telcordia enables customers to aggressively reduce costs and grow revenues. Telcordia is headquartered in Piscataway,N.J, with offices throughout the United States, Canada, Europe, Asia, Central and LatinAmerica. (www.telcordia.com)
About SAIC
SAIC is the nation's largest employee-owned research and engineering company, providing information technology, systems integration and eSolutions to commercial and government customers. SAIC engineers and scientists work to solve complex technical problems in national and homeland security, energy, the environment, space, telecommunications, health care, transportation and logistics. With annual revenues of nearly $7 billion, SAIC and its subsidiaries have more than 44,000 employees at offices in more than 150 cities worldwide. More information about SAIC can be found on the Internet at www.saic.com.
Virgin, Nokia...
Advertisers.
So, who wants to bet on what the next Neom PR will be.
check post #.
4408
4891
http://www.lightoffers.com/partners_tech.htm
Not the list I saw.
Is it me?
going up on low volume
this appears different
Thanks for the reply...
Just thinking out loud.
If this venue is as important as it appears and Neom does not have a booth, then one can guess that at this point they don't need to be out front.
They may be in negotiations.
The venues in 2004 got the attention Neom needed.
This is why everyone says 2005 is Neom's year.
I have to ask.
TS implies that he will see Neom at Las Vegas. Yet, Neom is not registered. Or did I miss something? There has been contact with Neom today, yet no one is talking about whether or not they are there.
what is being held back?
anyone care to share with if?
Can mean only one thing.
should be buying more shares.
well after...................
13:07:44 2,000 0.2450
13:00:00 8,000 0.2450
12:59:43 2,000 0.2450
12:59:43 2,000 0.2460
he/she posted on ihub first at 1:05
well on it's way back
maybe MMs last effort
nice of TS to step in
thanks JP
A good day indeed
first MMs take us down
then insider
what an interesting world
makes you wonder about the next PR
Opps! sorry beeh
Who said $1 by Jan 10?
Has anyone played with Google's SMS & Froogle?
Paperclick's and Google's UPC for Nokia and ISBN for Harry Potter have very similar links. It is fun to try it in both.
http://www.google.com/sms
Can I access the web using Google SMS?
No. When you use Google SMS, you're sending Google a specialized query, and Google returns text-only results. There are no links or web pages. You're not actually accessing the web when you use Google SMS.
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November 14, 2004
Dear ChangeWave Reader,
The stock I'm writing to you about today- -- and I've written
several times before- -- was UP 40% this week!
The run's run is not over- -- not by a long, long shot.
We've got a "perfect storm" in the market right now. The election
is settled. The guy Wall Street wanted to win...won. The economy
is growing- -- job growth for October nearly DOUBLED consensus at
337,000 new jobs.
It's a "perfect storm." And you're gonna earn a blizzard of
profits. In fact, many of our ChangeWave Investing stocks could be
20%-30% higher by Inauguration Day.
But if you'd really like to make up for lost time...and position
yourself for truly stunning, life-changing gains over the next
several years, I urge you to consider our favorite microcap stock
now.
I've written about this stock- -- and our premium MicroCap Investor
service- -- several times before. And I've attached the full
message below.
But I've got additional HUGE news about this company- -- and your
good fortune- -- now.
You see, the first leg of our $5 forecast price by 2007 for this
10-cent stock has happened right on schedule. The company just
announced- -- as we told you it would- -- the startup of their
PaperClick registry with Fortune 500 company Science Applications
International Corp. (SAIC).
When you read on, you'll see why this is such a big deal.
When Vodaphone, with 40 million users, starts offering the service-
-- and Cingular, Deutche Telecom and Verizon climb on the bandwagon-
-- it's a $1 stock.
That's a ten10-bagger from here!!!!
After a likely deal with Microsoft or Google, it's a $2 stock.
That's a twenty20-bagger!!!!
And I'm talking stratospheric profits after that. And it only takes
pennies to play. Just a few thousand ventured can make a small
fortune. So if you have ANY risk capital lying around, I urge you
to take a good hard look at this one NOW!
___________
Questions:
1. Does Google infringe any Neom's patents with their SMS?
2. Can Google use a cellphone scanner to access their own database without infringing Neom's patents?
3. How much would it cost to buy Neom now?
4. Would they sell or prefer to generate revenue through licensing and WordRegistry?
5. How does Neom's management want to play this out?
6. How far in advance did Neom register for Cebit, etc., last year?
Assuming the patent infringement cases are a non-issue, then a buyout from Google or MS would make the most cents for them. This SAIC deal(?) sure raises the value of Neom. I guess Neom is worth more if management's plays it out as TS describes.
If this hits, I'll sign up with TS for life.
Perhaps
a major deal is the reason they can't register, or need to attend.
Will Neom?
I bought more today.
koko
Sorry for thinking out loud. I was thinking along the same lines as nut. I don't see NEOM listed yet at any of the venues JP (if I may) listed. Although, I do see Digital Rum at 3GSM, and the 2005 Cebit exhibitors list is not available yet. It would be nice to know where Neom will be, and if not, who will be marketing their technology at which venues.
Are they changing their name?
No More W3
is this called covering?
are we going back close to .3
I'm green. How do they pull this crap off?
I won't sell 1 share. Has anyone really dumped? Are they trying to bust through stop losses?
Talk about an impulse purchase.
All the more reason to own a cell phone.
I just emailed them to find out what they can do for my business. Pretty exciting.
I was just playing with the Paperclick site. I was having a lot of fun. How cool is it to have everything in the palm of your hand.
I own a very small business. An art gallery. I am thinking that if I were a big retailer, I would want to jump on board as soon as I could.
This could be useful even to my small business. Sell a painting and stick on a code that could tell about my business, the artist, etc.
Say one of my paintings is hanging in a corporate office somewhere and the person looking at it wants to know where it came from and about the artist. Cool. Go to my website and buy one for himself.
From now on you can swipe the code in the museum to bring up information about what you are looking at. Who needs those stupid rentals any more.
Looks to me like Neom is ready to ROCK. No wonder there are so many bashers around.
The Basher's Handbook
Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.
Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?
Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.
IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
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WHO BASHERS PREY UPON
Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.
The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.
You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.
Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!
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Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey". BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.
DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!
This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0
Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.
A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!
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Rules for Successful Bashing:
1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.
8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
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Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.
Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.
Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
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LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?
Golden Rule:
IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .
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HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER
1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.
2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.
3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..
4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.
5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.
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The Basher 'Pack' Mentality
Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.
Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.
Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.
Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.
What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.
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