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unfortunately, yes!
odie, Germans, too funny.
Thanks tdj!
Groveswise, Balls of steel! GLTU
"KC and the Sunncom band" Good one!
What a pleasant surprize! Nice Sunngramm too!
Damn Sony!
BTW, This sucks!
Thanks gregg!
Why didn't MMXT go down?
Wow! Just in time for the holidays!
Hanging on by a thread at .02! This sucks.
Interesting, the failure to break .02 might just be good for a little reversal. This could be better if it was brought on by good news.
never mind! Was going to say it looks like a good adding point. Then I read what I wrote.
I also feel that the selling is drying up!
Nice to see adding at these times. The people who are complaining want free rein of the property that's not theirs to begin with. This will begin to show it's face to the people. I'm not worried, I think copymangement is the future.
Liars Drum's Not Dead
23rd November, 2005
Liars release their next album in Spring 2006, which features the recent single It Fit When I Was A Kid.
March 21st will see the release of Drum's Not Dead, via Mute. It is the follow-up to 2004's They Were Wrong, So We Drowned
The new album contains 12 tracks as well as a bonus DVD, featuring three movies made by the band themselves.
Sure would be nice to see our dvd protection on this!
Yea 1 added!
LIARS - Drum's Not Dead
What's the old saying "buy on fear sell on greed". If it ain't fear now I don't know what it is. This sucks.
"No one's come in and complained that their computer got a virus from buying one of these discs," Allen Lewites, the manager at the Amoeba store, said. "I don't think anyone cares what record companies do."
Sony sailing past rootkit controversy
By John Borland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: November 21, 2005, 12:42 PM PST
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Though Sony BMG Music Entertainment faces a torrent of criticism and lawsuits stemming from copy-protection software on some of its CDs, the so-called rootkit controversy has not yet had much of an impact on sales, according to market trackers.
Certainly, the pressure on Sony is mounting. On Monday, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott charged that the entertainment giant violated Texas' new anti-spyware law by releasing albums that secretly installed rootkit software that hid itself on computer hard drives. Rootkits can open a PC to viruses and other malicious code.
"Sony has engaged in a technological version of cloak-and-dagger deceit against consumers by hiding secret files on their computers," Abbott said in a statement. "Consumers who purchased a Sony CD thought they were buying music. Instead, they received spyware that can damage a computer, subject it to viruses and expose the consumer to possible identity crime."
Abbott's response is the latest in a string of protests, online and off, that have led Sony to an unprecedented recall of more than 4.7 million CDs and an offer to replace the 2.1 million that were sold.
But despite three weeks of stinging criticism and calls for boycotts, consumers appear to be buying and using Sony CDs just as they always have.
According to data from market tracker Nielsen SoundScan, the discs carrying Sony's copy protection software suffered little, if any, decline in sales compared with other medium-selling titles at similar points in their release cycles--at least up to the point of Sony's recall last week.
Sales of the title first and most widely associated with the problem, southern rockers Van Zant's "Get Right with the Man," actually climbed in the two weeks following exposure of the CD's security risks, according to Nielsen SoundScan data. Celine Dion's album "On Ne Change Pas" held steady at 300 copies per week throughout the controversy.
Several titles that were closer to their release dates, such as albums by Trey Anastasio and Puerto Rican singer Chayanne, showed more substantial drops over the same period of time. However, industry insiders said even these week-to-week drops were not unusual, close to an album's release.
Another measure of albums' popularity is provided by Gracenote, whose CDDB--Compact Disc Database--service counts how many times people put CDs in their computers using a media player such as iTunes, Windows Media Player or RealPlayer. These programs automatically look up the album name and song titles.
A representative for Gracenote said the company's data shows no appreciable difference in trends--and specifically no obvious drop-off in listening--between Van Zant and similar-selling albums that don't carry the rootkit. The same goes for several other recalled Sony titles, it noted.
Online outrage
News of which CDs were carrying the rootkits took a varying amount of time to circulate. Van Zant's album was named as a rootkit carrier by Nov. 1. Albums by Anastasio and Celine Dion were on a list circulated by the Electronic Frontier Foundation a week later, while Chayanne's album and dozens of others were identified by Sony itself last week.
Reader response
What should Sony do?
Debate how the debacle will
affect the label's policies.Online, the response has been deafening. A sampling of the 255 reviews of Van Zant's album on Amazon.com reveals the angry response provoked by the Sony news.
"Do not purchase--Installs dangerous software on your PC," says the first prominently displayed consumer review on Amazon.com's Van Zant page. The posting has been judged "helpful" by 741 of 745 people who rated the advice.
"Forget boycotts. Prosecute Sony," reads another long, articulate Amazon review posted by an IT professional.
Brick-and-mortar record stores have seen a less obvious reaction, however. A manager at Berkeley, Calif.'s Amoeba Records, one of the biggest and most successful independent record stores in the country, said he had seen no backlash whatsoever.
"No one's come in and complained that their computer got a virus from buying one of these discs," Allen Lewites, the manager at the Amoeba store, said. "I don't think anyone cares what record companies do."
In other news:
New DVDs to use old video format
Open channels for software
Banking on virtual economy
Wall Street agog over Google
Hard-disk jockey spins electricity
Regardless of whether mainstream consumer market response is slow to develop or is simply muted, Sony looks like to see a backlash for some time.
The Texas attorney general's civil lawsuit seeks $100,000 per violation of the law. Class-action suits have already been filed in New York and California, and others are expected. At least one federal legislator said the issue should be impetus to pass a national anti-spyware law.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation also announced Monday that it and two law firms would file an additional class-action suit against the record label.
Sony itself has launched an exchange program that offers consumers a new CD, as well as MP3 downloads, for anyone who sends in a CD that has the copy protection loaded. The company has also begun working with one of its chief critics in the security research community, Princeton University Computer Science Professor Ed Felten, to ensure that it releases uninstall software that is safe to use.
Think about how low the volume is during all this fiasco. If there was going to be serious issues you would see an exodus of tens of millions of shares in a day. Once again JMFO
They also said Merger was on track and financing was halfway complete. Asked if we would be taken to the cleaners with these lawsuits and they said we wouldn't be affected.
P.S. I feel Kevin has a DVD deal lined up. That's why he's pushing us to get one out. JMFO
Yes, the whole music industry is slow to put out releases during the Holiday Season. Expect more in beginning of Feb.
Called IR this morning and was told something very similar to what sting posted. This is a slow time for new releases to be added to the list. When a new release gets put on the list it doesn't mean it's been released (Corey pointed this out earlier). The uninstaller problem was fixed and those who were affected were patched.
LOL! We need some news about all this. A CC is in order!!!!
Joke, right steh!
I will let everyone know as soon as they post another CD on the list. So far, this fiasco seems to have halted anything being added. We should all watch these lawsuits as carefully as possible. I would appreciate ANY info you find.
Good one flydoc! LOL Happy Thanksgiving to all. Even you Kenco.
Volume does tell the tale. Yesterday's volume was decent right? I don't know what to make of all this. After the dust settles I hope we are still a consideration.
Keep an eye on how much is being sold at the bid and at the ask. If this is accumulation you should see a big difference. Could be a sign of good things down the pipe.
Can I get on that email list? I'll be your best friend.
Where did you find this?
Exactly!
Baptism of fire - lol eom
Down on really low volume. I think people are waiting to see who will still be standing after this. My guess Mediamax standing tall! As for a buying op I can't see this going into the .01's.
One things for sure. It's not hurting the SP. This is a terrorist attack! IMO
I think Halderman-MVSN, (I give you the slash MVSN because I think he's somehow related to MVSN); have friends in the press and this is their way of trying de-face the competition. This should be investigated IMHO!!!!
If we get a "Spyware-Free" Certification our SP will go through the roof. Think about how many people have been exposed to this.
1 added today!
Donel Jones - Journey of a Gemini Sampler