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imho - Intel better be glad AMD didn't lead on that one, otherwise Intel's entire line would have been relegated to Celeron-hood!
(Except Itanium of course, don't think that could ever pass for a Celeron :) )
AAMD - Good news! New markets are a nice thing! :)
NaS - That did the trick - thanks! 8)
NaS - Thanks, that may be just what I was looking for! I'll have to test it tonight.
Paul
wbmw - That's rather a key factor to overlook, don't you think?
OT - Can anyone tell me how, or point me to a resource on how to allow CD-burning in Win2K without granting the user administrative rights?
Thanks,
Paul
wbmw - That doesn't change the fact that you're still comparing the power usages of an Intel mobile chip and an AMD desktop chip!
Paul
tecate,alan81 - I'm sure that's true for most companies, though one hopes as time goes on, that management gets better at weeding out the duds early on.
chipguy - Such constructive commentary. Reveals much about the source.
chipguy - Right, because Rahul Sood is so motivated to talk himself into a corner he can't get out of with his customers? Yada, yada, yada...
gollem - re"I think Intel is mad and will come out with some compelling products. The Pentium M is fantastic and Yonah (the next generation of Intel's mobile processor) will be really good, but it would be a mistake for them to think AMD is going to sit back and wait, because what they're working on for next year is phenomenal."
I like the sound of the part I underlined!
morrowinder - Battlefield 2 is one. It'll run with less, but more gives vastly better performance.
alan81 - re: "I would still like to know how they expect go get more money for HE parts when somebody can just buy standard and sort for lowest Tcasemax numbers, and RMA the rest."
Why would you think that AMD doesn't do that(sort) before packaging, labelling and shipping?
gres - Did you miss the future part? Vista?
Apparently the Spansion loss reaction stupidity is receding. eom
re: duel - Ouch!
Keith - The E4 is the one that so many folks have been talking about lately(great OCs at low voltages on air), apparently there starting to show up now in "retail".
Athlon 64 3000+ EOL'ed, New 3200+ and 3500+ E4 Stepping showing up.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2622
"For those of you who watch the Athlon 64 market very closely, you may have noticed the sudden dry up of lower clocked E3 Venice CPUs. According to industry insiders, AMD appears to have discontinued shipping the Athlon 64 3000+ to major retailers, although AMD roadmaps predicted this far in advanced. However, sources have now indicated that AMD has also stopped shipping the Athlon 64 E3 Venice 3200+ and 3500+ Socket 939 processors too. Higher clocked Athlon 64 chips, like the 3800+, are in allocation.
The halted shipments of the Athlon 64 3200+ and 3500+ are a bit of a surprise to most merchants we've talked to. AMD is already phasing in new "E4" chips, and pre-orders are already cropping up at various merchants. The E4 stepping has generally been reserved for San Diego, Venus, and Troy cores in the past, but the new stepping may steal some of the limelight away from AMD's exceptional Opteron 939 Venus since only the cache sizes are different now. Our price engine has already picked up the Athlon 64 3200+ and the Athlon 64 3500+ E4:
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3200+ 512KB Venice
http://labs.anandtech.com/alllinks.php?pfilter=4105
AMD Athlon 64 (939) 3500+ 512KB Venice
http://labs.anandtech.com/alllinks.php?pfilter=4106
The new E4 chips carry the "CG" code name in the SKU. For example, the new 3200+ retail kit is labeled as ADA3200CGBOX. Don't let this confuse you with the "CG" stepping of older Hammer SKUs; those were labeled as "AR" and "AS" in the OPN (SKU)."
pfosse - I imagine he meant a $99.98 system, with the European convention of the decimal being represent by the comma.
Sorry, ya got all it warranted.
re: "My son is a gamer and he buys Dell..."
Hee-hee-hee. Poor kid, I feel for him; he must get a lot of abuse.
"... but all of the gamers we know in Austin have Dells."
Perhaps you ought to expand your horizons a little. I'm sure Chris Tom can help you there. ;)
http://www.txgf.com/
morrowinder - What a load of hooey! eom
Petz - How can you root for those thugs? Go Denver!
I've never liked Dallas, they always used to kill Denver's chances back in the 70's & 80's(Denver was my team at the time), but I did at least respect them when Landry was at the helm! Since he left, I can't stand anything about them. So we'll be rooting for opposites, in football, at least! :)
Paul
Carolina Panthers fan now, by the way.
mmoy - Not being a Dell buyer, I can't be sure there, but I'm quite certain HP uses them, my daughter has one of them.
mmoy - You haven't forgotten that Asus is the #1 MB manufacturer, have you? Most of those tier 1 vendors use Asus in at least some, if not most, of their systems.
May be very nice AMD OC things coming with the release of the RD580 chipset if Asus can do this with the RD480 and a ULi SB:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2617&p=12
"The most important thing that the Asus A8R-MVP brings us, however, is not the competitive USB and SATA2 capabilities - they are just icing on the cake. The A8R-MVP is a monster of an overclocker - a mainstream board that proves that you don't have to spend a fortune to get incredible flexibility in pushing your system performance to new levels. This is the kind of board that serious overclockers love - a value-priced board that can be coupled to a value-priced AMD Socket 939 Opteron, for example, to get beyond top-of-the-line performance.
We would feel much more comfortable in our praise of the A8R-MVP if we had an opportunity to prove similar overclocking on another five boards pulled at random from retail shelves. There is always the possibility that this one is unique. But based on the Asus expectations being set very low for this board, and the genuine surprise that Asus expressed when we reported our results, I would venture to say that what we found is not a fluke. We also learned that the Asus Engineer responsible for this board design is a young professional, well-regarded for his creativity and promising design skills. Perhaps this is the first of many such surprises from this young Engineer."
Petz - I thought it was "one trick pony"?
Oops, I see wbmw already noted that.
mmoy - You'd be surprised at the sophistication of many of those young teenagers. They may not know all the details of why, but they're very aware via word of mouth(word of forum, really) what the "hardware to have" is, and for gaming, it ain't Intel right now. In many, if not most, cases AMD's lower end Athlon64 chips equal or outdo Intel's best.
Tom's has been no great friend to AMD, so these
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts-23.html are interesting in light of that.
Notice that the only thing Intel dominates is 3DMark05 Graphic. Considering it's supposed to be a gamer's graphics benchmark, tells you something about its validity in light of all the real-world game results that tell the opposite story.
There's really no comparison right now.
As Anandtech put it(emphasis mine) -
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2535&p=2
"
Gaming CPU and Motherboard Recommendations
While we are providing two Gaming system recommendations here, let's make this perfectly clear: the AMD setup will beat the pants off of the Intel setup in gaming. It's not even close, and what's more, the Intel system will cost a bit more. The future Intel processors (there's additional information here) have a lot to offer and should provide substantially improved gaming performance relative to today's Prescott parts, but the "future" is almost a year away. Some will argue that Intel is "more reliable", but that simply isn't our experience. Reliability seldom has much to do with the processor these days; the choice of RAM and motherboard is of far more consequence. There may be some specific applications that would have problems on one type of processor, but if there are, we have to admit that we haven't encountered them."
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2426&p=3
"Intel Recommendations
Intel Processors
There are always people who continue to prefer Intel processors for whatever reason. We feel that AMD has the upper hand right now - both in price as well as performance - but there are merits to the Intel platform. We've said it many times before, but let us reiterate that anyone interested in serious 3D gaming should just forget the Intel chips for now. It's really that cut and dry, unfortunately."
Seems if Intel's getting out of NOR, Spansion has a greater opportunity to grow than before, assuming they can produce compelling products in the space.
Maybe this Dell rumor may work inversely to the usual Dell rumor; not in that it necessarily means Dell is more serious, but maybe AMD can use it to tell HP and IBM, "Yo - get serious in pushing AMD-based products or we may have to let Dell take away your current advantage!"
I wondered if he was the same one.
Cantonese - Taiwan's President?
Ummmm.... no offense, cantonese, but I'll believe it when I see them.
CJ - LOL! Very good and correct in your guess and assessment.
bobs10 - I used to post on RB(rarely) as well, just lurked on SI back then, of course.
(Any thoughts on whom JasonBourne reminds you of? ;) )
Paul
PathScale promises major Opteron cluster boost
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/17/pathscale_opteron_ib/
Hmmm... interesting.
...PathScale plans to release a half-height adapter within 30 days, which will be small enough to fit vertically in 2U servers. The product will sell for $795 – down from $895 for the current full-size product.
PathScale's major claim to fame is that InfiniPath reduces latency issues in larger Infiniband clusters in a pretty dramatic fashion. The company has benchmarked the hell out of the product, showing us sheet after sheet of results. You can find a condensed version of the data here. Of real note is the 1.32 microseconds for MPI latency.
Industry watchers know that after a slow start Infiniband has taken off in the last year with the high performance computing crowd flocking to the interconnect. But while Infiniband provides solid bandwidth, it has continued to suffer from latency issues.
"As you scale and build larger clusters, the latencies get worse," Rosenthal said. "So, the larger the cluster, the bigger the advantage you see with PathScale."
Mellanox delivers competing gear and has one advantage in that it can play in the PCI-Express/Xeon server world too. PathScale's product currently plugs right into Hypertransport slots on Opteron-based servers only. In the first quarter of next year, Pathscale will fix this by delivering a PCI-Express product but thinks latencies will come in around 1.67 microseconds because of limitations in PCI-Express versus AMD's technology.
Also coming early next year is the OptiPath MPI (message passing interface) tools package.
"One of the problems with MPI is that you need a doctorate in computer science to program in MPI," Rosenthal said. "This will make writing MPI applications much easier...."
Computer Chip Market to Surpass 2000 Peak
Online Staff -- 11/17/2005
Electronic News
Despite stronger growth rates in communications systems, computer equipment will still account for half of the ICs sold in 2005, or about $96.5 billion, according to market research firm IC Insights.
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The Scottsdale, Ariz.-based market researcher forecasts the computer IC market to grow 7.3 percent by the time all is said and done in 2005, from $89.9 billion in 2004. That would mean the segment would surpass the all-time record for revenues of $90.4 billion set in 2000, IC Insights said.
http://www.reed-electronics.com/electronicnews/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&articleID=CA6284572
1st iteration of $100 laptop revealed.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/16/technology/laptop_fortune/
chipguy - Yeah, amazing what boatloads of money can do with a dog. (The marketing that is, not the chip)
wbmw - Confidence vs. over-confidence. eom