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jj, you said this is your first pinky play.
May I ask how you heard about this stock, and when?
Thanks dealerschool2006.
You took it the right way, and I appreciate that.
It would be stating the obvious to say that timing is also very important.
For SLJB two weeks ago, and even still now, the timing is absolutely perfect, and the DD is there.
We will have our day soon enough.
XXXXXX shares limit sell @ $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
Great question Bizzyboy2.
That's just exactly the point.
Longs *are* staying long. They've done their DD, they're patient, understanding, and tolerant. They play the game the way Warren Buffett says the game should be played.
If you know the company in question is otherwise solid, when people dump out of fear, you buy, and when people are getting greedy, you sell. If most people you know in the penny game have lost their shirts, then you will be best served by doing opposite of what most people will do.
In fact, longs are continuing to scoop up the shares from the weak, which has already provided significant support to the PPS over the past week. SLJB won't "tank" under any circumstances.
Might go down a little, and if it does, then I will continue to add to my position.
NITE trading with himself for a good portion of Friday afternoon is what we've already seen. I call that short covering. Less shares in the pool + longs continuing to buy and hold + company pulling 50M certs + "short seller captured capital" = tighter float = less supply = PPS support = greater upward pressure when we get the fins.
And I have no question that we *will* get the fins soon enough.
MM's only cover shorts when they *know* time is running out.
Basher's only come out when they *know* time is running out.
To the penny flippers, daytraders, impatient, and ignorant who think they're going to use SLJB as just another baseless quick penny play, I say "Get lost, I want your shares."
XXXXXX shares limit sell @ $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
No question in my mind.
This company is real.
<big, giant, monstrous YAWN>
And BTW, I don't respect the opinion of anyone when their opinions are simply not qualified, like yours. I respect *your right to voice your opinions*, but I don't have to respect your opinions, and the advice implied within them.
I hold a B.S. in Computer Science from the #2 engineering university in the US. I am a published author of a highly regarded and pioneering document, and I'm well known and respected as one of the best at what I do in my fields of expertise.
I'm not claiming to be the best at penny stock investing (still learning), but to have you, Tortured Investor, question me about my debating and writing skills, when at no point did I think I was engaging in an official debate, is totally ludicrous. You want to get hung up in semantics? Then you have yourself a ball.
Please, get on with your dead roadkill bashing nonsense, and your incessant whining about having lost 80-90% of your investment, and stop wasting your time with the likes of me. It's not helping you make money. I hope you'll figure that out.
May UPDA reward you all with profits.
VV, IGGY for you. I say GOOD DAY.
I'm stating that I don't take investment advice from people who lost 80% of their investment in a stock, and then stuck around in the same stock thinking that stock was somehow magically going to perform better than that in the short term.
Learn how to take a small loss like a man and move on to one of 1000's of other stocks with more immediate profit potential, my friends, and then, I'll respect your investment opinions. Prove to me that you have a strategy for making $, rather than losing it. Show me that you understand that your time is better spent on doing DD and researching other, more profitable investment opportunities, rather than hanging around bashing the long dead roadkill, and I'll respect your investment opinions.
Do I have compassion for those who have made such investment mistakes? Absolutely. The implication that I don't have such compassion and understanding is unfounded. We've all made such mistakes at one time or another. It sucks. But I move on, and that's the investment strategy that has kept me from losing more.
My sig should say it all.
VistaViewer, if the shoe fits, then wear it.
If it doesn't, then you have no reason to take offense to what I just said.
You can put me back on Ignore now, VistaViewer.
You don't understand why an obviously paid basher wouldn't want to make his $ for the day?
You don't understand why the shorts wouldn't pay someone to help create Fear, Uncertainly, and Doubt on a stock that is about to take off?
You don't understand you a short wouldn't consider making up his own fake ID and doing the FUD posts themselves rather than paying anyone to do it for them?
Here's what you shouldn't understand if you are interested in investing in this fine company after having done your DD and easily verified that this company's stock is *severely* undervalued:
You shouldn't understand why anyone would create an ID yesterday, for the sole purpose of posting their retarded stock sale strategy. If a person buys this stock without doing their proper DD to verify that all is generally quite kosher, then they are not a wise investor. If that same person gets on the board and says "SELL SELL SELL, I'm doing it ASAP, you should too," then what *you* shouldn't understand is why you should take any advice from this foolish person whatsoever. This should raise a red flag of credibility on that person, and you should simply put them on Ignore without a second thought.
You shouldn't understand why anyone like that should care about the investments members of this board make unless they have alterior motives. You shouldn't understand why a person, just coming onto the board, who hasn't made a single personal connection with anyone, would want to go out of their way to save you from your supposedly past unwise investment decision. This should raise a red flag of credibility on that person, and you should simply put them on Ignore without a second thought.
You shouldn't understand why you should respect a person who would recommend that you join a group of panic sellers, and try to dump ASAP at any price, causing you to minimally lose far more than you should have to. That person would be giving you seriously bad investment advice, because any panic dump by weak hands at the open, for stupid, short-term reasons beyond the control of the company, would only be followed by a major bounce of support from those like myself who will drink your spilled blood with glee. This should raise a red flag of credibility on that person, and you should simply put them on Ignore without a second thought.
What I don't understand, is why seemingly knowledgable and experienced IHUB longs continue to reply *directly* to obvious bashers, helping them along with their agenda of providing easier exposure to their posts by embedding links to the bashers' disruptive post within your own.
What I don't understand is why people don't make good enough use of the Ignore feature on this board to filter out posts from people who obviously don't have the same investment strategy, credibility, value, or sentiment that you do.
What I don't understand is why anyone who has done their DD, and is invested in this stock, would spend any amount of time addressing obvious BS, rather than using that time to do either more DD on this stock to gain better assurance of their investment, or more DD on their next investment opportunity.
What I don't understand is why anyone would feel that subsequently posting that DD on this board wouldn't be more beneficial to the overall good of the board then just simply responding to another basher's worthless and repetitive sentiments.
That's what *I* don't understand.
Stupid remarks from an obvious paid basher born yesterday, I understand that *perfectly*.
Post of the night!
OK, Greenie, I think it's tiiiiimmme for another poll.
Should ________ be banned for persistent personal attacks and childish behavior?
Very educational, Buckeye.
XXXXXX shares limit sell @ $50.
Ya better try harder if you want mine, Shorties.
Oh Mr. Wallstreet isn't that CUTE.
Just got your account in the last half hour and posted that just to let us know..... Thanks buddy.
IGGY FOR YOU.
XXXXXX shares limit sell @ $50.
Try, just try to get some, shorty.
Greenspirit is *the man*.
That's all I have to say on that.
That post makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Simply smiling.
Whoa... I just realized that a statement I made there was a little ambiguous. I know what I was thinking, but reading it back later, what I mean't didn't fully make it into the words written.... and if taken out of context, it definitely would not have been what I meant.
I said:
"No PR from the company can be devastating to the company proper."
What I meant was:
There is no PR that the company that could ever put out about the financials being delayed that would be devastating to the company proper.
Just wanted to clarify that.
for you, maybe.
NITE selling to himself for a good portion of Friday.
Don't you think we already witnessed some covering?
Covering, and throwing shares into the bitbucket.
Less shares for sale now, + stronger and hands continuing to buy more, makes the PPS much more stable than people realize.
The price has not "tanked", and the price will not "tank".
Might go down some, but certainly will not tank.
Fools that put in stop-loss orders are probably most likely to blame for any acute dips at any point in time.
No PR from the company can be devastating to the company proper.
Some might perceive a potential PR (or lack thereof) from the company as devastating to the stock (certainly not I), but anything (planned or unplanned) that ultimately shakes out the weak, and shakes out the shorts, will only make the stock stronger and more resilient to message board B.S. as well.
Good post Luvtradin1.
XXXXXX shares limit sell at $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
What I don't understand is why you or I should respect the opinion of anyone who is still holding onto a stock that is currently trading at 9 cents (or 4 cents for that matter last week) when they bought in at 45 cents. What I don't understand is why anyone would stick around a board and spend any amount of time posting on that board if they lost a pile of money in that board's stock, unless that poster has a completely different and twisted agenda. Said time would be better spent researching other potentially better stocks, and so, to those posters unwise enough to waste time and make poor investment decisions as a consequence, I say, you obviously don't have a clue.
I know what I understand, and indeed you don't "no"
Great post WallSt.
Made my day.
Great to know I'm not the only one that thinks this way.
We do have a good group here, when the squelch knob is set properly. I don't care what anyone says.
XXXXXX shares limit sell @ $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
Wow.. what a history he has.
Every single post is either confrontational, negative, or inciting.
And the iggy list grows.
BTW, anyone here who is tired of weeding through the garbage here should PM me, and I'll give you my iggy list to date.
What an original opinion.
So glad you took the time to inform us of that possibility.
I don't think we would have heard that otherwise.
IMO, REAL shareholders don't give a damn about delays in the first published audit of a company they were previously convinced to get into by way of solid due diligence.
REAL shareholders are:
1) A bit more tempered in the way they invest, both in getting in, and in getting out.
2) They do good research before they get in, they believe in their investment and the company they've invested in, they are tolerant of minor mistakes that a CEO might make.
3) They are patient and understanding of the real situation at hand, and have keen insight into all possibilities.
4) They don't shift their investment strategy with the abrasive winds of pumpers and bashers.
5) They don't invest $ they can't afford to lose when investing in more riskier stocks, are more tolerant of peaks and valleys in shareholder sentiment and price per share.
6) They don't imply that their expectations of how a stock should perform on a daily basis should ever figure into the company's true motives or bottom line.
7) They understand that they, individually, are but a small piece to a much bigger puzzle, and they incorporate that understanding into their investment decisions.
8) They do not flip for quick profits, therefore decreasing their tolerance for dips in stock price by raising their stop-loss. They stick to their original plan and the vision that they developed in the company they invested in based upon solid DD, and have patience to see their original plan come to fruition.
9) They don't hang on every word ever said in PR's, and they realize up front that their investment strategy needs to allow for a certain margin of error along the way.
10) They don't spend time bashing when they don't get their expected returns in their expected timeframe, and decide to get out. Instead they put their efforts and time into doing more DD on other companies that they feel might be better suited to their investment strategy.
et cetera, et cetera.
XXXXXX shares limit sell @ $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
m0m0mey0
GREAT post Allmanchase. Right on the money.
Ketel One and tonic here.
ZZZZzzzzz.....
Nice connection!!! Makes sense.
If the two items were never planned to be connected on purpose, it sure does sound like a logical prospect.
I hope you're really onto something there.
Are you asking if I want a R/S like AWYB?
Hell yeah!
A chance to get 1/3 back is better than my current chance of getting zero back any time soon.
Plenty of 3+ baggers out there in the near term to make it back on. I'm not asking for too much, am I?
I guess some would think so.
BTW, stocks with billions of O/S shares generally don't come off the ground ever, no matter what the news, without a R/S or a buyback. When I buy a .0001 stock, *I expect* a R/S.
FWIW, the biggest reason I want out is because the management of this company, with their piss-poor attitude, just doesn't deserve the reward of using my $, and I don't trust their ability to have the demeanor to be truly successful in doing anything other than buying out foreclosed properties from people who have no choice but to get whatever they can for their assets. Their people skills are obviously severely lacking, and they're too busy blowing your $ on fancy eye-candy websites rather than keeping their eye on the ball.
Not because I don't think there's profit potential in Ethanol.
Using Microcaptrade.
that giant number was just a bunch of smaller trades all rolled into the same time and reported in bulk.
My point exactly. The fins could come out a month from now, and I wouldn't sell a share.
XXXXXX share limit sell @ $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
His profile says he's an insurance agent.
Go figure
A problem solved with two clicks.
Click on userid, click on Ignore this Poster.
I'm not even looking at the bashers now.
Top of my page says "Ignores On"
Fewer, though, I'm sure of it.
Fewer basher's, fewer flippers.
Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm looking forward to the advancement of common sense with the advancement of PPS.
I love this!
"The Stock Market,a place where money is taken from the impatient and given to the patient."
XXXXXX shares limit sell @ $50.
Try, just TRY, to come and get it now, shorties.
You know, I have have to know...
Do you really own a single share in this company?
And if so, why haven't you sold yet?
That one was more about raising their stop-loss and not making as much as they thought, and losing the level of comfort that I have for not having to worry about losing principal anytime soon.
I'm ready to pay taxes.... next year. I sincerely doubt that there's a single person here that was in from LFWK days that sold a single share in the past two weeks. So my comments could only apply to people who bought and flipped recently, who just can't seem to keep their eye on the big prize, and think that the small prize (minus taxes) they have outweighs the risk, and the much greater payoff that awaits the patient longs who know how to hold.
XXXXXX shares limit sell at @ $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
WHEEEEEEEEEEE!
Are we having fun yet? I am...
LMAO at all of these weaklings selling.
Shortsighted trigger-happy flippers that bought in the .07's, flipped and raised their stop loss points, and now owe Uncle Sam taxes this year to boot.... hahahahaha
Moron bashers born yesterday... bwahahahahahaha
Impatient daytraders playing a stock symbol they know nothing about. hahahahahahaha...hoooooooiiiieeeee.
Phony phone calls to KPMG and Petar..... wahahahahahahaha
'Fraidy cats that can't understand the meaning of "mid-september", who don't have a clue how complicated an audit of a multifaceted, international company can be.... haaaaaaa hahahahahah
Can we get this sucker in syndication on Comedy Channel?
Oh damn, I'm bustin' a gut here, can't catch my breath....
Only thing that's giving me pause in laughing is the fact that my funds haven't cleared yet to mop up the blood so I can add another X to my closing statement below.
(tee hee heee, oh no, here I go again.)
XXXXXX shares limit sell at $50.
Come and get it, shorties.
m0m0mey0
If their product or service was any good, they'd be one of the 10% of the companies whose shares after a R/S actually held their own.
Bottom line, there are many other companies out there who's stock value rises, and don't write condescending emails to the people who helped them get started. That's where I'd rather put my $, thank you.
Nothing fun about it.
Minimally, this is the most bizarre board and stock I have ever seen on the IHub. The moderators aren't really personally interested in the stock, calling it a scam, majority of posts tend toward bashing or at least negativity, and all the while a week goes by with what would appear to be a bunch of mostly green days in a row, and obvious buying pressure and $ pouring in.
I thought I had seen it all.
If I didn't know any better (and I'm not sure that I do),
I'd think the board was set up specifically to benefit the shorts.
Exiting the twilight zone now.
My sincere apologies to Vista and all here for my "stop whining comment." I'll agree that my argument there was definitely not articulated well.
My point was simply to say, any perceived dilution definitely doesn't seem to have a major impact on this stock's movement this past week, so let's see more productive dialog here. And I'll take my own point well as well.
If anything, I'll blame that negativity on my perceived contradiction between contents of the IBOX and the latest positive movement on this stock, and my frustration as such.
I have also PM'ed lowman, the assistant on this board, asking for a bit of attentiveness to the current state of the board, the stock, and the IBOX.
What do you say we have some real dialog here about this stock that doesn't continue to harp on suspected detrimental dilution?
Vista put me on iggy for saying something positive where negativity seemed to abound here. Again, thanks for the reply Vista, and someone please forward this to him for me since he's now ignoring me.
Thanks.
m0m0mey0
Ahhh, just now read that email.... doing things a little backwards today.
I liked this company a lot, and really believed I was part of something that was a give and take. I felt valued by the company, and I felt they were giving me value in return. I had intended to much more seriously invest in this stock next week with significant coin, not to slight the significant coin I already have in it.
And *then*.... I read that email.
Taylor, my man, you just put your giant foot in your mouth.
That was single-handedly the most condescending email I have ever seen from a company who's *only avenue* of obtaining non-insider investment is the penny stock they chose to have listed.
He's basically saying, "how dare you suggest you should have the right to get your money back after letting me borrow it, in order for you to be able to feed your family in a crisis."
Taylor..... Reverse-split, buy-back, produce revenues and real financials, or otherwise significantly provide more concrete evidence of progress beyond one picture of a stairway and forklift operator on the website that is a little too fancy for me at this stage of the game.... *something* to create liquidity, or you will be shorted into the ground with all of the other .0001 stocks out there. Or at least suck it up and treat your market cap providers with a little more respect in the meantime.
He's basically saying that he doubts the value of his company, and he knows his company isn't worth the market cap. If his company was worth the market cap, then he shouldn't be afraid to do an R/S.
I hope this guy uses some of the market cap to buy a clue.
no offense taken here to dd, jgbuz.