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Thank you for providing that link. Kal Mahli and company, whether we originally trashed talk them or not, has assembled an ALLSTAR cast of players in their companies. Breathtec has two of the world's leading scientists in Yost and Haick.
Go to Breathtec's website for the Na-NOSE and see that it says Haick was featured as one of the top 100 medical scientists in the world by multiple sources. That's no joke. (See quote below). Cannabix will benefit too, because of the money that feeds back into Yost groups pocket for furthering FAIMS.
What's even better? This is taken from their website. See the underlined part.
The evolution of BTH and BLO is actually interesting, in retrospect. Here's my 2 cents:
They went from having a P.O.S. alpha technology, to using their fund-raising abilities to hooking up with Yost to work on FAIMS (a technology Yost has shown works for compound detection, but needed the Vancouver boys to bring in the $$$ for testing). They create two companies, one more likely to succeed (BTH) simply given the nature of the compounds being detected, but the other (BLO) having a opporunity to score massive if first to market. They hook up with Dr. Haick with Na-NOSE and BOOM, now they have a medical technology that could be worth billions and it's being tested on patients and has government support and will be fast tracked to market. They take that money from Na-NOSE and feed back into creating empires out of BLO and BTH.
Load up, because after 3 years of rollercoaster rides, things are finally making sense. It's genius how it's played out.
Whether by luck or not, who cares, we are here now.
Originally, I used to think that BTH and BLO running as separate companies was a bad thing. These guys trying to simply get double the profit from a single product, two ways of running private placements.
However, it's now apparent with the clinical trial testing of Na-NOSE and it's near guaranteed success, that this will be a massive benefit to both companies, indirectly. I now see it as a good thing.
Once they start generating profit from Na-NOSE, they can put a ton of that money into furthering FAIMS at University of Florida, which will benefit both companies, even though superficially it seems the money is in Breathtec accounts, BTH and BLO are in the Yost lab together, one product.
As investors, we can make money off both. No complaints.
Should still get a bump off the trial announcement for BLO, just won't be the same because bump happened premature.
There sister company will do it soon. Only common since given they have a product working in trial. BLO did it with no product and no trial lol.
Reflecting on this today, I actually think the Vancouver boys got SOOO lucky when they ran into Yost. That was there saving grace.
I think BTH will triple before BLO doubles... BTH triple in the next 6 months whereas BLO 1-2 years. BTH is enrolling patients for a product that works. BLO is still writing up the trial design which can take a year (probably 6 months underway, which places them about 1 year behind BTH).
Just a comparison. I think it's good to compare the two because in my opinion, they should be all discussed on one board... same people... same FAIMS. Only difference is Na-NOSE and that technology going to score big.
You are. Read my message more closely. Cannabix has already tripled, them saying they have a trial design (which will take time), isn't going to spike the price because it adds nothing. The spike happened already pre-maturely. BTH hasn't spiked, yet it's the same device and actually even better because of Na-NOSE. Management has two companies that they basically see who hits gold first. Na-NOSE is taking the lead. Designing the trial for Cannabix is on the back burners, Na-NOSE and FAIMS testing for BTH is taking priority.
Cannabix vs. Breathtec both using Faims. Clarification point.
These guys are smart. You may wonder how both companies can be using FAIMS technology, one for THC detection and one for medical compounds, designing a device in the same lab, which is, THE EXACT SAME DEVICE. Here's why.
1. They cut costs by having two separate companies that they carried out private placements for and have tons of capital, but the lay public is not smart enough to realize all the money goes to one single lab, with one single device, with one single professor doing the work (Yost).
2. When one company succeeds in testing for compounds (which is surely going to Breathtec and not Cannabix), then they simply go with that company, and then the company that is second to the starting line can be written into a license, or not involved at all.
It's much easier to test for abundant medical enzymes and compounds related to chronic disease then it is to transiently catch THC in ultra low quantities. Breathtec is going to score on Na-NOSE as they are enrolling patients for a well tested device. Then they will score on FAIMS, and Cannabix is going to get left behind, unless they get super lucky and hit the lotto. The market is smaller for THC, and there are tons of other companies working on devices, one of which is testing on patients (Hound)...
do the math
He is saying that the stock jump for Cannabix is done. It's over with. This thing isn't going to climb higher.
He is saying that normally you would get a jump when a company starts a trial. This company got a jump for no frigging reason. Insiders, speculation, and a TON of posting on this board which is speculative. Years worth.
What stands as a matter of fact is that Cannabix's sister company is years ahead and are TESTING ON PATIENTS. Right now, Cannabix doesn't even have the trial DESIGNED.
Last point. Complex complex complex trial design can take years. So don't hold your breath. Invest in the company which is already testing a well known product on patients and your bound to make money, especially when it's 1/3rd of the cost and it's the same people involved.
Well put.
I agree with the fact that there has been years of research behind that technology. Not only that, the technology works.
I think Costanzo, Yost and management straddling the fence between Cannabix and Breathtec got VERY lucky because they had the money to invest in clinical trial process at the right time.
When insider's start to see results as patient's are tested on, the price will slowly climb for apparently no reason. It appears that may be happening already.
I dug up some of the research and will share this weekend when I have some time.
Companies that are testing medical technology often get up into the several dollar range. BEFORE they even start testing... they don't sit at 0.30. Undervalued stocks are good investments.
Health Canada will approve what works. They know Na-NOSE works, they are getting the patient data to show Health Canada now. Not only that, it's been posted on their website several times that Health Minister's in Canada have been on board and have granted their approval to do these trials.
They have the government on board and watching patiently.
One company is enrolling patients in a trial for a well tested technology. The other is still developing a technology and hasn't written the protocol for the trial for the technology which is incredibly complex and hardly tested. Yet the latter is trading at 3 times the share price. It's common sense where the good deal lies.
The entire health care system would purchase the device if it's cheap. The market is MUCH larger than that for THC testing. Think of pharma and med tech, it's astronomical.
The key is that Breathtec is doing trials and enrolling patients, which places them likely a year or more ahead in terms of progress/development. As an investor, that tells me the following:
1) The guys behind this will be putting their attention into the primary lead and what is closest to completion, i.e. most attention going to enrollment of patients for Na-Nose testing and FAIMS developments for Breathtec. The GOOD part about this, is that when patients are getting enrolled and insiders see the results of the testing, the price will creep up for no reason and we benefit.
2) Cannabix will still have a chance, it's just that Na-Nose is far more likely to succeed for the reasons I posted about last and the reasons Lucky eluded too. It's the nature of the science/chemistry and the specific molecules they look for. THC in small quantities being very hard to find, enzymes built up from years of chronic disease much easier to detect.
Either way, both companies will play out as great investments, it's just that one is cheaper and is likely to spike sooner.
This alone is one of the reasons I choose to invest in Breathtec instead of Cannabix. Yes, having Na-NOSE in trials is great, and yes the FAIMS will be used for medical purposes, but there is something more important.
Breathtec will be testing for compounds that are FAR more abundant than small quantities of THC. THC is in the blood transiently and thus is gone fast and the quantity is low. The molecule is hard to detect spectrometrically, as it blends in with the baseline... the signal to noise is low. Compounds Breathtec is looking for are abundant in the people with disease, and they are not disappearing or being cleared from the system... they are part of chronic disease.
Anyway, my point is that Breathtec will likely be more successful. End of story.
I agree with these comments. I think we will see some wonderful movement in the coming months. Insiders will see how this is working with patients and it will start creeping. As AMG has highlighted, timeline is everything. These guys are ahead of anybody in that area. They are also ahead of Cannabix by years. I am not saying don't invest in both, just keep your eyes open.
Sometimes it's worth pointing out where the right deal is at the right time. There will be a time for both, however, one is cheap and it's time is coming in the short term.
Remember folks, it can take years to design trials. The trials required to accurately relate blood THC levels in real time, to parts per trillion on a breath detection machine will require an IMMENSE amount of work. I doubt we will see the trial commence in the next 6 months. Will likely take > year. This is because, even if they write the trial up into a nice study protocol that is sound in 6 months, it will take another 6 months to get provincial or state approval to run the trial. It's not likely they can write it up that quick.
What is for sure, is that Na-Nose has already received clinical trial approval and will be starting testing on a product which is less complex and has just as much of a market outreach. I know where I put my money, get your cheap shares while you can, only 20 some cents.
Someone please answer this question for me.
I have been following the posts here over the past two weeks closely and have not posted much. I will begin by saying I am happy for all those who have made money. With that said, it is funny watching everyone post about how things are looking so positive, when nothing as changed. They haven't shown proof of a working device, they have shown a picture of a black box that doesnt even have a display installed on it. No video demonstration, just a picture. The price has been running on NOTHING new.
So my question is: how can two companies, Breathtec and Cannabix have the same device... yet Breathtec not only has that device, but they also have NA-NOSE, and they are set to do their trials this month, yet one is 0.90 canadian and the other is .18?
Over a year ago we had the demonstration of a fake device at a tradeshow which HAD A DISPLAY. We don't even have that now and we are months from trial testing, which will take years and may not work. Years is a minimum.
So?
So if it doesn't need coupling to something, then wear is the SCREEN? I am clearly not wrong. People are purchasing a stock that is running for no reason.
If they have a working device, why not show more than one picture? They've stated in the article as of late that the electronic screen has not been implemented. No video to show it works? What does the black box even do.. if there is no interface, it's clearly got to be connected to the mass spectrometer or other computer system.
Everyone will make money eventually. But my point is that, they are far from completing this thing... and the price has been slipping so they put out the same news over again with a single (sketchy) photo.
They showed pictures of a black box that doesn't even have a display on it LOL. Do I even need to say more? Reminds me of a trade show.
Price is slipping and they are trying to keep it up.
I agree, I did not take a longs money. I got excited. However, I must question you... why hold Cannabix right now when it's slowly dropping post-pump, when you could buy shares of basically the same company/same people/same device for 12 cents, knowing that BTH won't drop further and will get pumped next?
I've been here for a while. Buying high, selling low. Unfortunately the decline is slow and insidious and doops a lot of people into thinking that it's going to stick, but look at the chart. The declines occur over months. The pumps occur over days and hours. I am ALWAYS ready to sell when I see a pump happening and time it well... drop everything I am doing, because I know it will be short lived.
Breathtec is going to experience a similar run, because it's the same people and same "device".
One thing is for sure, I told everyone that the drop after the pump would come. It is happening before your eyes. I cashed out in the 70's. Rinse and repeat. Now it's 20 cents below where I sold, and I am going to take money from the "longs". WHY? Well...
1) Still no PROOF of device. Show images.
2) Still no trial even DESIGNED, let alone started. This is a MASSSSIVE undertaking. Any science types know the work that goes into this. On the physiologic level, how will they produce a reliable detection of blood THC to machine reading...
3)Company releases cheesy pump article after the random shoot up to 70 cents (BLO). That is PROOF they wanted were pumping. I'm surprised it didn't get reported.
4) And they used Breathtec to leak the news the day before so that friends and family could buy massive amounts the day before and the law wouldn't notice because it was mixed amount the rest of the massive buying the day before. GREASYYYYYYYYYY. Wake up folks. Make you quick buck here, watch it drop.
Breathtec will be the next gold mine. It's cheap.
As of right now, that's a matter of opinion. I think this is a scam just as much as I think it's real. And I have been here for years posting about this company. The fact we are still unsure says a lot. No device, no proof. Just s*** news releases with no hard proof.
Lol, "they" haven't re purposed "our" technology. They have two companies, for one device. They will likely have some court related issue on their hands.
True - it wouldn't be a good idea without demand.
I am pretty sure demand is all we have floating this pump. Would love to see some pictures or proof of this mystical device.
Also fair. I agree. And back to my original point.
Fair. My point remains, that managements timing of news releases, and lack of news releases has been attuned to the market makers pumping and dumping.
They ride and let it fall. There is still no device that we have trial tested and proof of.
We still have one company valued >50 cents, and one <15 cents. Yet they have the same management and same device (so they say).
So... what's up with that? I won't ask that question again, I put my money down on BTH because I don't feel like getting burnt on BLO as they let it fall back down.
Some serious manipulation has occurred as of late, as those who played and watch close would know. It's sketchy, very sketchy. Great opportunity to make money. Big Pump and Dump.
What's the next move?
Breathtec. Same company. Same people. Same theoretical device. Just as big, if not bigger a market. Price is a fraction.
If you have the opportunity to buy one of two stocks. They are the exact same company, except one is cheaper. Which do you buy?
It's not rocket science, these guys, there next play... running BTH. I'm calling it now.
Na-NOSE trial coming soon.
I must disagree. This could be a scam. As of right now, this is entirely a scam. For 2+ years they have been running the price UP and DOWN. No device, no proof anyway. Show me images, show me one single piece of technology that works.
Everyone who watched the action over the past couple weeks has seen that there was serious manipulation and a lot of people surely got burnt. I didn't, I made bank. I hope everyone else did too. But the pump is done. They love to run it and let it fall at the expense of the shareholders.
PUMP and DUMP pattern is more like it. Let's get real. The pump is done.
There won't be any good news coming for a while, the news just happened. It was a clear and obvious pump. I think everyone should be aware of the fact that the company CLEARLY had the price running and released a bulls**t news release detailing "beta v2.0" for which they provided hardly any information, basically just again told us this thing got smaller and more accurate, without providing any real data or clarification or images. Haven't got the trial protocol completed yet. That's matter of fact.
There is huge potential here. The run is done and the pump is over for now. Those who bought in the 70's got BURNT. I fortunately would never buy this post run, nor would I hold. Why? Because I have been here for 2+ years and have watched after every single run, this thing fall back down again. They love the pump, friends and family make BANK.
Buy Breathtec, it's cheap and it's the same god damn company and people.
Agreed.
Nice post Amg. You highlight and reiterate one very important point. If any investor here took a step into the Yost lab, where the research is happening, they would see something very important... they would see that these guys are only working on one device. They are not in the lab making a FAIMS device for weed and for medical compounds... they are making a single FAIMS device. One that can detect compounds of any size and shape. Technically, Beta 2.0 for Breathtec was developed today too. It's one and the same. They are Siamese twins.
We have two companies, one device. One stock price in the 60's, the other in the teens. Buy your Breathtec soon, once average investors catch onto the fact that the companies are the same, yet the price trails by almost 50 cents, we are going to have another rocket ship.
Holding now would not be smart. The price just doubled on no news. Then the company puts out a pump article to try and maintain the price, which fails, and the prices drops from 80 to low 60's (canadian). What is apparent, is that this is a great pump. I rode this up, but this is not going to keep going up BECAUSE THERE IS NO TRIAL TESTED DEVICE. There may be, but there is not currently.
I think we need to shift focus to Breathtec as the next great investment opportunity. Not because I am invested in it currently, but because it will rise just as this has. They are the same people, same device. Why is this in the 60's and Breathtec low teens? Same device... one works, they both work. Money for one, money for the other.
Gotta play the stocks and ride the pumps, don't get fooled into thinking these are truly legitimate companies. When you make massive gains you should secure. Holding Cannabix is risky when the company is already way over valued. Breathtec is undervauled.
These guys ride one stock up, let the other fall, and then reverse. Breathtec is coming next, just watch. They let it fall while Cannabix keeps everyone distracted. Cannabix will come back down and they will ride Breathtec.
The news today was a pump. Nothing new at all. This company and breathtec. Same device yet one company is in the 60's (not for long) and one is 12 cents. People don't see that?
To those who hold this. SO RISKY. I wouldn't be suprised if this drops back to the 40's. BECAUSE NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Congrats to those who hit this on that pump though!
This is the ultimate pump. Sketchy as it gets. And price is coming down.
Im in breathtec now.