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Has anyone seen NewPontiac today? Did he get his .0001 order filled before this thing started up?
Just filled....prolly the last at that price
I have an order in for .0011's that aint filling
I put an order in this morning at 630 befor I left for conference at .0005 and that never filled either, so I knew the pps was staying solid at least, boy was I ever surprised to see this.....YEAH!!!
holy shiitake mushrooms batman!!! I have been in a meeting all day, what the heck happened, what did I miss?
Don't think I missed that. I (We) have known that for some time now. I guess we will see soon enough who is gonna dump shares at 6 and 7, and can we build a large enough base at this level to prevent a dive back down to 2 or 3? I almost believe that it is up to us longs to be ready to buy all that the dilution and day traders throw at us to support this pps and start it moving even higher.
Holy crap!!! I go on travel for a few days, and it appears that this thing gains some life? what the heck has been going on here? are we gonna break thru to the double balls this time? sure would be nice. is more dilution coming? can someone let me know what I missed.
Anyone know what price we are selling at this morning? I have small order in at .0003 and it isn't getting filled?
I sent him one with an NDA attached to it, I am sure he is trying to figure out a polite way to tell me to "BUGGER OFF"
so who is the silly guy that has 5000 shares for sale at 12 cents? I will part with a million at 10 cents. holding the rest for a dollar.
Actually I got my fingers crossed that those who are holding out for 0001 will get a chance to get in the game. naw not really, run baby run
JWEZ, that might as well have been written in Russian for this novice. Good sign for who? Us or NEWPONTIAC?
AWESOME!!! The phone number listed has been disconnected....hope we aren't paying for that listing.
Irish62,
obviously I have not mastered the written English language. I certainly don't recall accusing you of brainwashing anyone. But whatever, If you don't like what I wrote, then I apologize. not for what i wrote, but for the fact that you don't like it. It was not my intention to piss off anyone, but only to help Kaiser see that in my opinion he was being too hard on Wag and Jwez for not bringing back the information that he wanted to hear. Have a nice day.
Kaiser, Thank you for the correction, I did mis "Speak/type" they wouldn't necessarily be "entitled" for a Full tour of the business by simply just being a shareholder, but the offer was made to any and every one of us shareholders to visit Philly ( I think the offer is still on the table, i haven't heard that it is now closed). They offered a tour of the workings, and in doing so they required a NDA(admittedly undislosed), my opinion, it was a smart decision for TIVUS to do so in hide sight. they don't know either one of those guys any more or less than you or I do. You certainly have a good understanding of how NDA are used, I don't want to take away from your knowledge, but I am just asking you to cut these guys some slack. they never claimed to be all knowing, they just know that the NDA says they can't disclose, and I don't blame them. You are certainly entitled to post whatever you like, however you like within the rules of the board, your not harming me one bit, but it just doesn't seem fair to blast into these two guys, because they didn't bring back the answers you wanted to hear. As far as your offer goes, I have bought to my capacity for now, i wish I had the cash lying around to take you up on your offer, and I am buying in smaller positions as i can, sorry i can't afford all 5 mill in one shot, but keep them there and I will get them a bite at a time. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't see this as an attack on you, it is not intended as such, I just think that you have been slightly over-critical of a couple of guys that tried to help us out and got a little sidelined in what they are allowed to disclose. My opinion, I think that the best indicator of what they saw, lies in the fact that they are continuing to build their share base and not off-load everything to get out.
Kaizer, WAG and JWEZ dont owe you or anyone else here, anything, sorry if you don't like that. If you like JWEZ's answers better, then go with that. But you have gotten what they feel comfortable disclosing. Nobody said $5000.00 was a magic number, you are right the guy with one share is just as entitled as anyone else. They signed an NDA because they were shown things that the company regards as "in-house" information or secrets. You are entitled to see them along with anyone else that cares to make the trek and sign your name that you won't disclose what they show you. If you need further clarification I suggest you watch "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" . The company doesn't just show you their business blindly and then let you talk about it as you see fit without recourse. They don't know you from Adam, you may be a major shareholder for LNET, they are just covering their bases, and giving them grounds for recourse in case somebody steals the technology or model.
I tend to agree that it is a load of crap that what was seemingly presented as an open invitation to shareholders to come see how our system operates, turned into a sign this NDA or you aren't going any further once they made the trek. the NDA should have been up front. It is not WAG or JWEZ's fault that they were required to sign the NDA when they got there, If I had made the journey, I prolly would have signed it too, for my own DD. If I had been told up front that I would have to sign an NDA, I certainly would not have even considered going on the premise of getting answers for the group here at IHUB. I believe These guys had every intention on getting at least some of the answers, to some of the questions we all have. If you want to know something, ask Shiva. set up your own journey to Philly and see for yourself, but for pete's sake please stop making statements that at least on the surface imply that they have been brainwashed. They are smart guys, they have their own best interest at hand first and foremost, as they should, they are bound by an NDA that won't allow them to discuss their findings in a public forum or possibly at all, only they know the limitations. I know if I had the info, It would be killing me to keep it under wraps, especially if it was good news. But I also know I would not be willing to go to jail just to tell all you guys that everything is good, and thing are gonna get way better in the next 3 to 5 months. Shiva sent back word thru these guys that he would love to talk with each of you, but even then you aren't going to get much without signing an NDA as well. He has a lot of himself invested in this company, and he is not going to go to jail and see his dreams go up in a smoking heap. MY OPINION, JUST SAYIN'
Quite honestly I too have wavered on that feeling, I bought my first shares @ 008, and relatively speaking I thought I got a heck of a value at those prices. when it kept going down, I started averaging down, and over the course, i have managed to pick up quite a few extra shares in the process. hind site being 20/20 i wish i would have waited until the price got all the way down here before i started averaging, but who knew (except WAG and JWEZ, who have those super secret NDA's, LOL Just kidding both of you) The way that i justify it to myself is, I would rather kick myself for wasting a few thousand bucks now then have to live with myself in the future when I knew that I had to live with myself knowing that I could have made a heck of a lot more money when this thing starts running for the mountain tops. I keep it real with my investments, they are modest, I have to be able to justify to my wife that I spend less on this stock than she spends on coffee at starbucks each month, but in her case, it allows me to pick up a couple million shares a month at these prices. When this thing takes off, I will buy the damn starbucks, then her fat ass can pay me for her cups of coffee, and i will hire my 5 teenange daughter to work there on slaves wages, and get real familiar with "Days of Our lives" and "General Hospital".
Thanks Brother, but that was way too much information, I really didn't need to know your position, I just wanted to get it out in the open that the NDA was not a negative thing for the sake of all the "ney sayers" and speculators here. There is a legitimate reason why you both had to sign an NDA's, and that is all. It is not because there are deep dark secrets that they don't want us shareholders to know about. This isn't ENRON all over again. If it was then we would all be suckers for being here. it is a gamble, and I certainly agree now more than ever, that it is one worth taking. If others don't feel that way, I encourage them to move on or make their own journey and sign their on NDA.
LOL, thats the same answer he gave, I guess you signed and NDA with them as well, just kidding, again thanks for your research, I don't believe either of you expected the NDA before you left. It might have been fair to notify you before you both made the journey that it would be required. I think it would have been fair to let those on this board know that we weren't going to get our direct questions answered, as I am sure they were well aware that that is why you both were coming, well maybe not the entire reason, but at least partially. Honestly, if I had expected the NDA, I might have tried a little harder to clear my schedule to join the two of you. When you both said you were going I thought ok cool, at least i will get some things cleared up. So kind sucks from that stand point, but like I said, I certainly understand the need to protect the company. I am sorry that you both are getting a ration of poop from others on here that don't want to understand that you both would love to share the knowledge, but you just can't. as the holder of a Security Clearance, Believe me when I say that sometimes it really sucks having inside info that you can't comment on something when someone is putting out bum dope, because to do so would jeopardize what you do know.
WAG, would the $5000.00 amount be what we have invested, or what our investment is worth today? In both cases, my situation grossly exceeds and grossly falls below that level respectively, as i am sure, you of all people understand what I am saying there. Thanks for the trip and research that you and JWEZ did. Your (well his) seemingly increased belief in TIVUS speaks volumes by itself. I understand the NDA, (not sure that I agree with the reasoning, which admittedly, I know nothing about) but if Shiva is as Diligent in his business as you both indicated, I certainly understand his precaution. Can you say if TIVUS required the NDA, or was it HOST? If you can't say, I understand. Can you or JWEZ say if you have ever sold a single share of TIVU? Sorry for the rambling here, just trying to get all my thoughts in on one post. Again thanks to both of you. @JWEZ I don't believe that NDA covers the "Steak SHop" you can tell us which one it was? LOL j/k
JWEZ, Pat's or Geno's?
well said boss, looking forward to your findings
LOL, check TIVUS facebook page!!!
My point is, PR's should be news worthy, Me posting a PR that I went PeePee on the potty like A big boy is hardly new worthy, If running an ad for Big Mama's is news worthy, it is only news worthy for Big Mama's pizza, not TIVUS. A news worthy release would include relevant data for potential investors, such as "Tivus is proud to announce our newest clients on our ad insertion campaign, Big Mama and The Philidelphia Eagles have signed on bringing our expected revenue to Umteen thousand dollars a month." That is NEWS. I am really tired of the "I wiped my own butt" proclamations. They claim we are making "Meager Revenue", well tell us what it is. They tell us how much they are paying the top dog, tell us why he deserves it. That all I am saying. Just my opinion.
Well they are reading a bunch of TIVUS Crap today then, aren't they? anybody with half a brain, looking at this one for the first time today, would look at the last six months worth of history, and run like hell. Doesn't take a genius to see the DD just doesn't make sense. Some days i wish I had never run acrossed this one my dang self.
Aww it is so nice when there is LOVE in the world
How about this for a press release...."Today after we released the news of our recent ad sales, for the first time in our companies history, we have decided to remain faithful to our stockholders (the reason we have been able to get this far) and not dilute the heck out of our shares" Try that on TIVUS, see how it works for ya?
Today's PR hardly qualifies as worthy of being called "A PRESS RELEASE". As far as i am concerned, it was a bunch of jibberish where SHIVA is trying to take credit for some STUFF that he is supposed to do in the first place. The comedian Chris Rock talks about people like this, when he talks about Ghetto Daddy's, "I take care of my kids!!!" No SHIITE, Dumb@$$, that is what you are supposed to do. There is no prize for doing what you are supposed to do....Your not getting a COOKIE
Who knows it just might? I mean he is already making Ted Turner Salary, and we are still in the development stages according to PR's. No evidence exist that we are anything other than an idea. if I am wrong, prove me wrong. In this case, I would love to be wrong, but as of yet, nobody can.
I went one step further, I kissed SHIVA's picture, and rubbed that shiny spot on his forehead
heres hoping brother, but you and I both know that aint gonna happen, we have until at least april before anything happens, I have already said why I believe that to be the case. my theory now, is take advantage of these short lived .0003 to .0006 jumps, there is plenty of money to be made in the next three months. we are seeing about 2 of those a month on average. that is 6 to 8 more doubles before a contract is announced.
I don't theorize that the value of the service changes, only that the value of the stock that secures payment, changes significantly when a contract is announced. therefore if we haven't paid off the debt, and the stock goes through the roof then they hold a lot more value than the value of the services they provided. Therefore it is in TIVUS best interest to pay off the debt and reclaim the stocks before announcing a contract. if I screwed that up well then I am just a soup sandwich, oh well.
Finally got my avg down below .0007, one more buy and I should be below .0006. then the next time this thing goes to .0006 I am offloading all of it, and then buying it back the next day for .0003
JWEZ is Steve H. That is the best news i have heard coming out of this stock in a LOOOONNNNNGGGGG time. I would believe it more if you said another name, but i won't mention it, because I haven't seen that dog WAGging his tail around here lately, although I know that he is creeping in the shadows somewhere.
Quote below is take directly from 2010 Quarter 3 financials filing, If you read the paragraph that starts out "The Promissary Notes" you will see why I believe that TIVUS benefits by keeping PPS below .0005 and will not let go above that for a 3 day average. A contract details announcement or a PR that confirms anything more than meager revenue right now, would as most of you suggest, would in fact drive the value of TIVUS up, IMO way UP, but they need to get debts under control down here, with the revenue they already have coming in, and whatever they can obtain thru dilution to keep the price in that range. If they let the price go to 10X, before that debt is paid off, then any of those promissory note that are backed by shares of stock can all of a sudden become 15X's as valuable, and makes a 239K service bill automatically payable at over $2 million. by no means am i an expert, in fact i am wrong way more than I am right, but it makes sense in my simple mind, and that is why i believe that all 4 billion shares will be in the Market before we see any details of substantial revenue, It is a debt resolution tactic plain and simple. I think Quarter 4 financials are going to show exactly what they have stated in PR, "meager revenue" but after 2012 quarter 1 financials are released, there will be no way to hide revenue anymore. Sometimes there is a distinct advantage in letting those people you owe money to, to think that you are way poorer than you really are.:
"During the nine months ended September 30, 2011, we issued the following shares:
• We issued 10 million shares to retire $80,000 of interest and principal on a promissory note from 2008. The promissory note was not originally convertible. We therefore valued the 10 million shares at the closing price on the grant date, credited Additional Paid in Capital with $410,000 and recorded a corresponding loss on retirement of debt in the amount of $330,000.
• We issued 139,062,829 shares for $539,000 in cash.
• We issued 117,074,914 shares for conversion of outstanding convertible principal and interest in the amount of $393,084.
• We issued 65,200,000 shares for services. We valued the shares at the closing price on the grant date and charged general and administrative expenses with $488,400 collectively.
• We issued 33,900,000 shares to two investors for cash which we have note received. We valued the shares at the subscription agreement price ($110,000) and are holding the receivable in equity. We are actively seeking to collect the amounts due from these investors or have the shares returned to our treasury.
See Note 8 for shares issued subsequent to the balance sheet date. Tivus, Inc. Quarterly Report for the Period Ended September 30, 2011
Potential Dilution
As is discussed in Note 4, the Company has financed virtually all of its operations by issuing promissory notes with beneficial conversion features and warrants attached. Most of the promissory notes contain provisions that will convert at a discount to a three-day average bid price on the date of conversion. Therefore, the number of shares that would be issuable upon conversion of the promissory to common stock is not calculable until the conversion occurs, giving rise to derivative liabilities which are discussed in Note 4. Most of the promissory notes contain a 50% discount to the three-day average bid price, but the discounts vary between of 40% and 70%. Moreover, the promissory notes contain warrants attached which convert at a price equal to 150% of the price attained upon conversion.
The promissory notes, if converted and all warrants exercised would result in additional shares issued and dilution of existing shareholders at September 30, 2011 of 4.9 billion shares and 85% at a share price of $0.0005 However, the Company is only authorized to issue 1 billion shares. Consequently, if all of the instruments converted, the Company would either have to increase the number of authorized shares or purchase the shares on the open market.
The dilution calculated in this paragraph does not include the potential dilution in the next paragraph concerning the Series A Convertible Preferred Stock."
Where is VERT at on LVL 2?
Is he still holding at 9?
JWEZ as i told you a few weeks ago, TIVUS has a signifigant advantage to keeping these prices as low as possible for as long as possible. They are going to keep prices down here for as long as they can continue with the dillution machine because it keeps the wolves at bay with calling in revenue due to them with a stock premium payout when they cash it in. trust me on this, we are 3 month away from seeing this thing take off. everytime this thing gains a little momentum and breaks thru the support, they are going to dillute. They have to and in my mind it makes perfect business sense, as much as I would love to wake up one morning and see my value with commas and zero's instead of decimals and zero's , it is better in the interim to keep it low.
I don't need to see the CONTRACT "piece of paper" per se, just show me some responsible management and advertising for a company that we believe in. On time Financials, i.e. year end and/or 4th quarter reported on time. not 12 weeks late with a bogus letter from an attorney to get the yield sign taken down only to have a stop sign come up two weeks later because you never delivered the 3rd Quarter financials like you promised. Then we finally get 3rd Q two weeks after the fourth quarter ends. let's see the "Financials" that clearly state what the "Meager" income is. PR's that clearly state our direction forward instead of "forward looking statements" that say something like "we have big things coming in the next few days or weeks", clearly one meager PR a month is not going to do anything for building our company. you can't keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. we all know what that means. It is time that TIVUS communicate with the shareholders, we have done our part, now show us some signs that you are doing yours. Yeah we have 2+ million worth of equipment in Philly, but what is it doing, whats next, where are we going. Answers would be very nice...not just more sunshine up our backsides.
Thanks, I certainly don't have the cash to take out all those, but that is what i needed to know, I saw the ask at 4 but pps was at 3. wanted to know how many 3's were out there. started using sharebuilder cuz my money gets there faster than with USAA. but the fees are higher, so not really helping my average down attempt too much, but should be in the 0006 range after this purchase.
Can someone post a snapshot of the Level 2's this morning please, got some extra cash in my account, and I would like to spend a few buck on a good cause.