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I hope that was meant to be a sarcastic response, but with you, we never know.
My opinion stands that the shares have been bought up to rig the proxy vote, and their getting closer every day. Since we haven't seen a 13G filing for anyone owning over 5% of the shares, MM's surplus total around 2.848 billion shares and don't have to file a 13G ownership filing, the A/S increase is as sure as a done thing. You won't know the results of the vote until the 2nd quarter 10Q is released in middle of August, but you'll sure as hell see the results in volume in the coming months. Thats my opinion on the situation.
Nothings impossible, but the company needs to actively be doing something besides handing over shares to the CD holders if it ever wants to get out of this mess. Standing still isn't getting production or revenue up any higher.
Put down the crap pipe, the company hasn't done a damn thing in the last 9 months. They still have no future drilling planned or started yet either, talk about just dragging your feet.
Sure, news that the CD holders have all dropped dead and have no next of kin to chase the company for repayment might work. Either that or the company has managed to drill a boat load of gushers and their revenue has jumped significantly into the high single digit million monthly range and that debt is being repaid in cash and the company is buying back shares in truck loads.
Ok surplus update is 2.848 billion shares for the MM's.
Every day we inch a little closer to an answer. Anything that pulls the road block out of the way is a good thing.
Thats awesome, funny how the MM's have the BID set at .0003 but yet still won't buy them from you. They've been buying from somebody today, over 149 million shares that I can see so far on the java ticker. But your just a little pee on retail investor, you don't count, they need to take care of their own first.
I hear ya, when I got in on this, things looked good, I missed the floor less CD's however. I saw a fast growing company that was quickly bring production on line, and I figured they'd get revenue increasing quickly, and then they just stopped doing anything to accomplish those goals. I've seen nothing new in 9 months except the A/S increases and massive dilution and the PPS tanking at rock bottom. All along the way we get little blurbs about production increases, possible acquisitions, data reprocessing, and nothing ever comes from any of them. I'll post an end of the day MM surplus around 4:30, by then the trades should have hit the java ticker for a proper count to add to the spreadsheet.
Watching the free L2 here, you keep seeing the ASK being blocked by 100 share blocks, they get taken back out and come right back. There looks to be about 4 MM's involved in this.
http://www.level2stockquotes.com/level-ii-quotes.html
And that $2 per share would drop very quickly as more shares were just quickly dumped into the market by the CD holders, thats why a R/S is so bad on original investors. As long as the O/S remains stable, you keep millions of shares, you get a 10,000 to R/S, every million shares turns into 100 shares. Then as the O/S grows again, your $2 just keeps dropping. Your shares value can drop under that .0001 limit you have now.
There's too much thats still hidden behind the curtain, we've been trying to get answers for months with no results, and the CD repayment has been the biggest thing hidden from everyone, and the issue that has constantly remained very vague and fuzzy in any answer that we have ever gotten from both Raley and Watford. As share holders, it is something we should all be apprised of, it should not have such a large cloud of secrecy around it.
Anything is possible, but a 10 to 1 split would probably be to small to draw interest back in, the O/S would still be 10 billion at that point. I could guess something way more severe in the 1000 to 1, or even 10,000 to 1 R/S. It's all going to depend on PPS/Volume, how many shares remain fro conversions, and a real possibility of more CD financing from the same group of clowns. Without the 10K, no news about Ness, and this A/S increase the only known piece of the puzzle and the MM surplus of 2.9 billion shares heading into the proxy vote, I can only guess worst case scenario right now. There is going to nothing in the 10K that will be earth shattering, the last 10Q already covered into mid-November, your only talking about 6 weeks worth of news to fill in from November 20th to December 31st. 1st quarter 10Q will only take you into end of March.
Not sure where a R/S would fit in, you need to create the 93.5 billion new shares first. My personal thoughts are that the proxy vote will be a yes. Followed by CD conversions until this drops to NO BID, then very possibly a R/S to reduce the share structure and try to get get it trading again. I just don't see how anyone thinks once these shares start flowing, and right now conversion price is down to .00024 thanks to 3 straight days of .0003 closing bid prices, that the CD holders aren't going to dump until they stall themselves at NO BID like they did back in January. I don't know how many billions of shares the MM's are going to be willing to absorb, they need a way to unload them, but without retail interest, thats not very likely.
MM surplus now at 2.9 billion, only another 323 million needed to control the proxy vote.
Nothing new about Ness, no update on the 10K, only an A/S increase. The companies been at a 9 month stand still, and this e-mail I just pulled from Yahoo pretty much screams more dilution:
The company is obligated to increase our authorized shares as a condition of the financing we did in the past two years. It is however important to understand that the shares are being used to retire debt and thereby also reduce the interest payments we make to the debt holders.
I hope this helps.
Billy Raley
Chief Executive Officer
Universal Energy Corp.
30 Skyline Drive
Lake Mary, Fl. 32746
T - 800.975.2076
C - 407.562.8162
F - 800.805.4561
braley@universalenergycorp.info
It's going up, I'm sure ISEG is doing everything he can to try and step on peoples toes to hold it in place, but he's getting over run by volume. Wish I would have grabbed CTIC yesterday with my spare change, that puppies already up 120% today. Lets see if we can kick HAYZ into the same range.
Is that a statement or a question? If it's a statement, then no, or if it's a question, then also no. Not with it's current 6.45 billion shares. That would give the company a market cap of $2.58 billion dollars, that would be an obscene market cap for this small company.
They don't know what to tell you because nobody has told them anything yet.
We'd have to write the deal up like a CD deal where we get 20% upfront, with another 20% guarantee interest on his rent. He can pay in shares at a 20% discount to the lowest of 3 closing day BIDs. So when the stock drops back to .0001, we get a conversion price of .00008 just like the CD holders.
Yeah, I'm still seeing .16/.18 on my real time viewer, AH showing a .18 sale on my real time ticker, haven't seen the trade hit the java ticker here on the site though, but the 17:44 trade that was posted earlier hasn't hit it either. Would be awesome if they weren't mistakes.
I find this stat even funnier:
http://www.shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=HAYZ
% Owned by Insiders 20.35 %
% Owned by Institutions 83.00 %
103.35%, thats awesome ownership between insiders and the institutions, wonder how they managed that trick. Shorts are down 20% though, so I suppose thats a good thing. I guess none of us own any shares either since they are all spoken for and then some.
MM's surplus still increasing daily, right up to the proxy vote guaranteed. They now have a surplus of 2.743 billion shares.
They were trading at $4 last year with $1.34 a share in losses, in fact of you look back the past few years, they were higher no matter what the losses were, and every quarter has been a loss, there still is no justification to be down 95%, it's not like all of a sudden everyone figured out that the company has been losing money. This year should be higher, material costs are down 50%, they are ahead of the curve in regards to reorganizing/debt restructuring, labor costs are down. The market and stock price is supposed to be forward looking, I just don't see it. This is not trading on it's own merits, it would have gone much higher than the .29 it hit along with everything else, this is purposely being held down, someone knows something.
Market cap is easy to figure out, float is around $100 million shares, so what ever the PPS is at that second is what the market cap is. When I made the post, the stock was at .16, so $16 million market cap, when you looked it may have been .17, so $17 million market cap. Still way undervalued, if there is a buyout, no one in their right mind would value the company at that low of a sale price. A year ago it was over $4 a share, so the market cap was $400 million. ISEG is being used by somebody to hold the PPS down, someone is trying to tire other people out to acquire a larger position for themselves. There's always a reason why the MM's get involved or another trader/hedge fund does this kind of crap. I still can't see the justification of this hitting under .03 a share, stock is still down 94% from a year ago. Someone stalled it at .29 and has walked it back down to where we are today.
Raley made the last vote happen somehow to get to 6.5 billion, not sure how long it takes to file a 13G, I thought it's a yearly filing, plus you need to factor this is the OTCBB, so the rules are loose enough for someone to get away with it.
Even a $1 sounds small, that only gives the company a market cap of $100 million. The company has $2 billion in sales evry year, their payroll is probably higher than the current market cap.
The volume was there, but ISEG kept popping up with his little 100-200-300 share blocks at a lower ASK then everyone else, the guy just continually blocks the ASK. As soon as he releases/sells that small block, he's got the next 100-200 block up. They have been doing this same crap for 6 weeks. People just get tired of playing the game and move on to something else.
Thats old news, it never happened and the court forced a chapter 7 liquidation of the company through by it's largest creditor, whichmost of us believe is Bristol Investments. Thats how the assets supposedly made it in front of Raley, he didn't look for them, they came to him. At least thats what we have been told up to this point, so we could be wrong or lied to.
Ok, then there's more questions and answers here, is HAYZ an accelerated or non-accelerated filer?
http://www.secfile.net/SEC_calendar.htm
Ok, not sure if this is relevant or not, but it does discuss some changes regarding 10-K filing and S-3 eligibility changes, may be related to why we don't have a filing yet. We did just see an amendment to the S-3 filing, thats the one that retired the shares. I'll include the link, but also copy and paste what it says:
http://www.seyfarth.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/publications.publications_detail/object_id/e6965d77-c809-4cf6-b7ea-374775d6f86c/10KFilingSeasonRequiresPublicCompaniestoReassessFormS3Eligibility.cfm
10-K Filing Season Requires Public Companies to Reassess Form S-3 Eligibility
02/11/2009
During the next two months, calendar year issuers will be preparing and filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) their annual reports on Form 10-K. The filing of a Form 10-K, which is incorporated by reference into any Form S-3 registration statement of an issuer, constitutes an amendment to the registration statement for purposes of complying with Section 10(a)(3) of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended. As such, the filing date of the Form 10-K is a “determination date” on which an issuer must evaluate whether it qualifies as a well-known seasoned issuer (WKSI) eligible to register offerings on an automatic shelf registration statement (an “ASR”) on Form S-3. As with any other “determination date” (i.e., the filing date of a new registration statement or an amendment to a registration statement), an issuer must determine its eligibility as of any date within the 60 calendar days preceding the applicable determination date. An issuer may qualify as a WKSI if it has a public float of at least $700 million, it has issued at least $1 billion in non-convertible securities, other than common equity, for cash in the last three years, or is a majority owned subsidiary of a WKSI and is registering either investment grade securities or other securities guaranteed by the parent WKSI.
In light of the unprecedented volatility in the capital markets, many current WKSIs may no longer be eligible to use an ASR following its Form 10-K determination date this year. The consequence of an issuer that qualified as a WKSI at the time it filed a previous ASR losing its WKSI status when it files its Form 10-K is that the previously filed ASR would no longer be available to the issuer. If an issuer loses its WKSI status in this manner, in order to maintain a shelf registration statement with respect to its securities, it would be required to post-effectively amend its ASR on a regular Form S-3 or file a new Form S-3, which in either case would be subject to SEC staff review and would not be available until declared effective. As a result, an issuer that loses its WKSI status as a result of filing its Form 10-K would be unable to access the public capital markets during the period of time between when the issuer filed its Form 10-K and when its replacement registration statement or post-effective amendment on Form S-3 was declared effective by the SEC staff.
Under amendments to Rule 415(a)(5) that were adopted as part of the securities offering reform rules that became effective December 1, 2005, any primary offering of securities covered by a shelf registration statement automatically terminates on the third anniversary of the effective date of the registration statement. In order to provide issuers with continuous access to the capital markets, Rule 415(a)(5) includes a grace period for an expiring registration statement whereby if a new registration statement is filed prior to the date on which the expiring registration statement will terminate, the issuer may continue to conduct offers off of the expiring shelf registration statement until the earlier to occur of 180 days from said expiration date or the date that the new registration statement is declared effective.
The Form S-3 rules do not currently provide for a similar grace period in circumstances where an issuer loses its WKSI status and its ability to use an existing ASR. However, in telephonic guidance, the SEC staff has advised that it will grant a similar grace period to an issuer that will lose its WKSI status on its Form 10-K determination date but otherwise will remain a seasoned issuer (i.e., one that has timely filed all periodic reports in the previous 12 months, has a class of equity securities listed on a national securities exchange and is otherwise eligible to register securities on Form S-3). To be eligible to continue to sell securities off an expiring ASR, an issuer must either (i) file a post-effective amendment to the previous ASR prior to filing its Form 10-K, which amendment must be on Form S-3 and not an ASR (i.e., it will be subject to SEC staff review before being declared effective), or (ii) promptly after the filing of its Form 10-K, file a new registration statement on Form S-3 or a post-effective amendment on Form S-3, in either case that is not an ASR, (i.e., it will be subject to SEC staff review before being declared effective). Such replacement registration statement or post-effective amendment would have to comply with all of the form and content requirements of Form S-3. In addition, an issuer could avail itself of Rules 416 and 457 to carry forward unsold securities and the related registration fees from the expiring ASR.
If an issuer files such a new registration statement or post-effective amendment, then the SEC staff will permit the issuer to continue to offer and sell securities covered by its ASR, even though the issuer has lost its WKSI status, until the effective date of its replacement registration statement or post-effective amendment, as applicable. It is expected that the SEC staff will formally issue this guidance in the form of FAQs, an interpretative release or an update to its manual of telephone interpretations in the coming weeks.
A WKSI is not the only type of issuer that must be mindful of its public float in connection with the filing of its Form 10-K. Under General Instruction I.B.6. of Form S-3, the amount of securities that an issuer may sell in registered offerings under Form S-3 in any 12 month period if the issuer has a public float less than $75 million as of its most recent determination date will be limited to 1/3 of the issuer’s public float. As with issuer’s determining their WKSI status, the filing date of a Form 10-K is a determination date for purposes General Instruction I.B.6., and an issuer must have a public float of more than $75 million on a date within 60 days preceding the filing date of the Form 10-K.
Issuers that have an effective registration statement on Form S-3 that are or become subject to the 1/3 public float limitation on offerings are required to include in each prospectus filed with the SEC an updated calculation of their public float and the amount of securities sold under that Form S-3 in the preceding 12 calendar months. As the issuer’s Form 10-K constitutes a 10(a)(3) prospectus to the Form S-3, the Form 10-K of an issuer that will become subject to the 1/3 public float limitation with respect to its effective Form S-3 for the first time when it files its Form 10-K this year must include this disclosure in the Form 10-K. Unlike the grace period that is available to an issuer that loses it WKSI status, no such grace period exists under SEC rules or SEC staff guidance for an issuer whose public float falls below $75 million to continue to offer or sell securities above the 1/3 public float limit imposed by General Instruction I.B.6. of Form S-3.
But it was after hours, not sure if technically that counts as next day, if so, then they still have until tomorrow. So we could possibly see end of day tomorrow or Wednesday morning I believe.
$14K.
Yup, dragged it sideways into the close, another lather, rinse, repeat day. This is getting real old watching this same game day after day. The same close everyday also, in the last 5 to 10 minutes someone throws up a big block to stall the ASK price.
No, really, where did I hear that before, hmmm.... I think I said that months ago.
Well that makes sense to both you and I, but we've already seen them drive this to NO BID back in January when Raley gave them the last 3 Billion shares and they decided to dump 100 million shares at a time and took out all the MM's. I just don't trust this group at all. I really question why Raley would turn around and borrow more money from this same group of clowns after what he's already been through.
I really don't think they care, they more than made their money back already, I don't think they'll have any problem trying to go for a 66% (.0003 to .0001) on naked shorting as opposed to taking their guaranteed 20%. They've already lowered the conversion price from .00032 to .00026, tomorrow will be .00024 if the bid stays at .0003. Best case scenario was 13.9 billion shares added to whats already out bringing the O/S to 20.24 billion shares. That number has already risen another 3.5 billion.
Will you still be ahead when it drops to .0001? Your going to lose your profit because of greed.
It's your money, feel free to lose it. I'v ealready heard the same promises from Raley for the last 9 months, everytime it turned out the same way. The proxy vote is already a done deal, ARCA has been acquiring shares for 3 months for someone. As of last week, this someone or somebodies already have 2.68 billion of the float, if you think theres a shot in hell of a NO vote winning, then I don't know what to tell you.