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Yes or no!
Who is not on this board?
What are we going to do with you!
An unpopular view but one I support
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Charismatic healer
The charismatic healer portrait positions Jesus as a pious and holy man in the view of Geza Vermes, whose profile draws on the Talmudic representations of Jewish figures such as Hanina ben Dosa and Honi the Circle Drawer and presents Jesus as a hasid.[153] In Borg's view Jesus should be seen as a charismatic "man of the spirit", a mystic or visionary which acts as a conduit for the "Spirit of God". Borg sees this as a well defined religious personality type, whose actions often involve healing.[154] Borg sees Jesus as a non-eschatological figure who did not intend to start a new religion, but his message set him at odds with the Jewish powers of his time based on the "politics of holiness".
In other words, Jesus was baptized by John and Crucified by Pilate.
[edit]Two basic historical facts
See also: Baptism of Jesus and Crucifixion of Jesus
Despite the divergence of scholarly opinions on the construction of portraits of the historical Jesus, almost all modern scholars consider the baptism of Jesus and his crucifixion to be two historically certain facts about him.[35][36] James Dunn states that these "two facts in the life of Jesus command almost universal assent" and "rank so high on the 'almost impossible to doubt or deny' scale of historical facts" that they are often the starting points for the study of the historical Jesus.[35]
The Pilate Stone from Caesarea Maritima, now at the Israel Museum
Scholarly agreement on the crucifixion of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is widespread, and most scholars in the third quest for the historical Jesus consider the crucifixion indisputable.[94][95][96][97] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that there is non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[98] Bart Ehrman states that the crucifixion of Jesus on the orders of Pontius Pilate is the most certain element about him.[96] John Dominic Crossan states that the crucifixion of Jesus is as certain as any historical fact can be.[94] John P. Meier views the crucifixion of Jesus as historical fact and states that based on the criterion of embarrassment Christians would not have invented the painful death of their leader.[97] Meier states that a number of other criteria, e.g. the criterion of multiple attestation (i.e. confirmation by more than one source), the criterion of coherence (i.e. that it fits with other historical elements) and the criterion of rejection (i.e. that it is not disputed by ancient sources) help establish the crucifixion of Jesus as a historical event.[99]
Although scholars agree on the historicity of the crucifixion, they differ on the reason and context for it, e.g. both E. P. Sanders and Paula Fredriksen support the historicity of the crucifixion, but contend that Jesus did not foretell his own crucifixion, and that his prediction of the crucifixion is a Christian story.[100] Geza Vermes also views the crucifixion as a historical event but provides his own explanation and background for it.[100]
The existence of John the Baptist within the same time frame as Jesus, and his eventual execution by Herod Antipas is attested to by first century historian Josephus and the overwhelming majority of modern scholars view Josephus' accounts of the activities of John the Baptist as authentic.[101][102] One of the arguments in favor of the historicity of the Baptism of Jesus by John is that it is a story which the early Christian Church would have never wanted to invent, typically referred to as the criterion of embarrassment in historical analysis.[103][104][105] The four gospels are not the only references to the baptisms performed by John and in Acts 10:37-38, the apostle Peter refers to how the ministry of Jesus followed "the baptism which John preached".[106] Another argument used in favour of the historicity of the baptism is that multiple accounts refer to it, usually called the criterion of multiple attestation.[107] Technically, multiple attestation does not guarantee authenticity, but only determines antiquity.[108] However, for most scholars, together with the criterion of embarrassment it lends credibility to the baptism of Jesus by John being a historical event.[107][109][110][111]
Thanks Buddy long road here...my is just starting to understand...had a good screaming fight.....you know I have to push her to get things done. We are broke and now taking care of her daughter ...... We can do it but not with her sticking her head in the sand.
Read this ....Christianity started out harmless
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=roman%20letter%20about%20christians&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fwgbh%2Fpages%2Ffrontline%2Fshows%2Freligion%2Fmaps%2Fprimary%2Fpliny.html&ei=chE8UeasEoKE9QSL_oDICQ&usg=AFQjCNEj-igrkZhGIiTpocwqsunp9kJbJQ&bvm=bv.43287494,d.eWU
Lol Absolutely!
I started a board for Christians...lol they won't post. Had a girl Pm me that she would not post here because Jesus and Fuck were in the same sentence.
Back at you 10 reasons dogs are better than wives
10. A dog's parents will never visit you.
9. A dog loves you when you leave your clothes on the floor.
8. A dog limits its time in the bathroom to a quick drink.
7. A dog never expects you to telephone.
6. A dog will not get mad at you if you forget its birthday.
5. A dog does not care about the previous dogs in your life.
4. A dog does not get mad at you if you pet another dog
3. A dog never expects flowers on Valentine's Day.
2. The later you are, the happier a dog is to see you.
1. A dog does not shop.
Quit being bitter.... We are talking about scholars.
I see you like Russian women.....ruff and tuff!
I have missed you.
Yes and no Jesus had a following...mostly because he healed...most Biblical Scholars agree.
I doubt it...he healed.
I believed he healed...or he would not have had that following.
Archaeologists discovered an ancient bowl, dated 2nd century BC to early 1st century AD, engraved with an inscription that refers to Christ, the earliest one found to date.
The carving on the bowl reads "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which can be translated either as "by Christ the magician" or "the magician by Christ." It was discovered by a group of French marine archaeologists, led by Franck Goddio, during an underwater excavation of the ruins of an ancient harbor in Alexandria, Egypt, which is also the place that may have hosted Cleopatra's palace. It is not known (and there is little probability that much evidence can be gathered in order to change that) whether the inscription refers to the biblical character of Jesus Christ, but if this is the case, then it further proves that Christianity and paganism evolved together during that period, 2 millennia ago.
The author of the discovery, Franck Goddio, co-founder of the Oxford Center of Maritime Archaeology, said: "It could very well be a reference to Jesus Christ, in that he was once the primary exponent of white magic." But, since the bowl strikingly resembles some others which were found in 2 ancient Egyptian earthenware statuettes linked to some soothsaying rituals, the researchers believe it might also have been used for such purposes. A "magus" of those days practiced fortune-telling using this kind of bowls and, as the Book of Matthew says, these "wisemen" (or Magi) were prevalent at that time.
Referring to the habit of soothsaying, Egyptologist David Fabre, a member of the European Institute of Submarine Archeology and a colleague of Goddio's during the discovery, explains that "It has been known in Mesopotamia probably since the 3rd millennium B.C. The soothsayer interprets the forms taken by the oil poured into a cup of water in an interpretation guided by manuals," as he enters a hallucinating trance. "They therefore see the divinities, or supernatural beings appear that they call to answer their questions with regard to the future," he added.
But then again, as Goddio states, "It is very probable that in Alexandria they were aware of the existence of Jesus," as well as of the legends that accompanied his name, such as the transformation of water into wine, water walking, multiplying bread and fish, curing miraculous illness or the resurrection event.
Some experts have come up with different theories that don't rule out the Jesus Christ approach though, such as a professor of classical archeology and art from Oxford University, Bert Smith, who says that the carving might have been an offering or a dedication from a "Chrestos", who was part of a certain religious group called Ogoistais, worshiping Hermes, Athena, Isis or other early Greek and Egyptian gods. Pausanias and Strabon were among the historians of those times who provide references to a god named "Osogo" or "Ogoa", which may lead to yet another approach by name association. As Fabre's conclusion points out, "It should be remembered that in Alexandria, paganism, Judaism and Christianity never evolved in isolation. All of these forms of religion (evolved) magical practices that seduced both the humble members of the population and the most well-off classes."
The bowl bearing the first possible reference to Jesus Christ in the world's history is on public display until November 15, as part of the exhibit called "Egypt's Sunken Treasures" taking place at the Matadero Cultural Center in Madrid, Spain. But there are other pieces of evidence associating Jesus Christ to a magus, such as the Vatican-held Roman sarcophagus stone plate carvings depicting a series of miracles performed by the magician. In the image below, there is such an item from the basilica of San Sebastiano, recorded under the number 31509 in the Vatican's inventory.
Front of sarcophagus:
Peter strikes a rock with his wand, yielding water to baptize his jailers.
Arrest of Peter.
Miracle at Cana (water into wine).
Female orant.
Healing a blind boy.
Multiplication of loaves (no fish).
Resurrection of Lazarus and supplication of Lazarus’s sister.
The sarcophagus shelters the remains of "the deserving husband Sabino, who lived 44 years, 10 months and 13 days, in peace, laid to rest on April 26."
FILED UNDER:JESUS CHRIST MAGICIAN ALEXANDRIA EGYPT BOWL
Jesus Shit
Crude but accurate.... He was physical
Great Question...Jesus was a miracle worker... Known for it....to me it happened ....or people would not have followed him...too us...it defies logic.
I just miss you telling us how fucked up we are!
WTF you to booshy to post here anymore?
I answered it...can you behave?
Good point!
Women are odd to me....so are men odd to women?
My aunt told me that...damn my family!
Point is ...why no Iron?
That would be Gimil!
Don't post that again.Yuck!
Welcome to the board....who are you...?
I mean really...he is a shit! Well only towards you...he is only snide and uppity with the rest of us.
Great reply...I found that too.
Here we go again...could the Native Americans work metal.....I say no....not on a productive scale.
Knowledge is good in any form.
Holy Shit we finally found a common thread.
A Mustang is a free-roaming horse of the North American west that first descended from horses brought to the Americas by the Spanish. Mustangs are often referred to as wild horses, but there is debate over terminology. Because they are descended from once-domesticated horses, they can be classified as feral horses.
In 1971, the United States Congress recognized Mustangs as “living symbols of the historic and pioneer spirit of the West, which continue to contribute to the diversity of life forms within the Nation and enrich the lives of the American people.”[1] Today, Mustang herds vary in the degree to which they can be traced to original Iberian horses. Some contain a greater genetic mixture of ranch stock and more recent breed releases, while others are relatively unchanged from the original Iberian stock, most strongly represented in the most isolated populations.
Today, the Mustang population is managed and protected by the Bureau of Land Management. Controversy surrounds the sharing of land and resources by the free ranging Mustangs with the livestock of the ranching industry, and also with the methods with which the federal government manages the wild population numbers. An additional debate centers on the question if Mustangs—and horses in general—are a native species or an introduced invasive species. Many methods of population management are used, including the adoption by private individuals of horses taken from the range.
Did you know the Conquistador left the horses.....Paso Finos..........not making this up.
Well not to me...you are probably like....I told you asshole.
Colic...too much fruit...deadly!
Absolutely...... Any horse that comes in contact with concrete or similar substances needs shoes!