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While we're waiting...does anyone have knowledge or experience with patents..such as expected length of time for a patent to be approved???
Picked this up from another board, FWIW??????
April 25 , 10:39 PM #25
Prodigy
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Keep a close watch on these 3 stocks folks, I believe we will see some major news from SPZI and RSHN soon. Also, PLNI released a PR today (finally) and more great PR's are on the way. Now would be the perfect time to get in these 3 plays, if your not already, here's why:
PLNI - After 3 months of patiently waiting, news was finally announced today and we can bet more great news is on the way, stock is way oversold, this is just the beginning! Buy or cry!
SPZI - Solid company with a solid product (SpoozToolz) and we can expect some significant news sometime in May, IMO. This stock is way oversold and I noticed the last few days of trading have been relatively active, the price seems to be settling now, stock has bottomed IMO. The time to buy is now!
RSHN - One of the biggest plays of '06 IMHO. I (among many others) are playing this stock for the longer term. RushNet is a company in the early stages, but will be very successful with the beverages they produce. The PPS will be much higher, do your homework and be patient!
Just a heads up,
Prod
Today, 01:20 PM #28
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SPZI is a longer-term play boys, IMHO. Play it (if you want of course) and hang on for the ride, but be patient, because it might be a little while. Significant news should be announced in the near future. The company will not release any fluff PR's, so any PR released will be a significant one only. Stock is way oversold, great time to get in here!
*I hope you guys are watching PLNI, the PR announced yesterday was only the beginning!
Prod
Spooz trivia....in the recent SpoozToolz launch, in April of 2006, the announcement was picked up by the Middle East North Africa Financial Network!! That was the most distant financial network posting I could find.
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?StoryId=Crcn80bKbmdGZyJK3ntm
JLT, I did notice the nice increase today!! The announcement will come soon enough, IMO. And you have most likely helped some people think twice about selling too soon, as the market was definitely off around the long weekend or so, but SPZI seems to be gaining some strength today!!! alliecorp
With all due respect Drifter, the point is you don't know for sure, and bashing JLT or myself isn't helping. I don't know if you can call the CEO, or someone at SPZI and get some answers, but perhaps that might help give you some peace of mind. You have contributed well to this board, in the past. IMO JLT is trying to help not just pump, and everyone has their own way of helping. Just take the information you get in stride, and help us and yourself with some more information if you can. Thanks, alliecorp
I believe this applies here....Drifter and company...
"I dont quite understand your huge 180degree turn to attacking the longs.....But, I look foward to your opinions...If you are long, as you claim, then we all want to see SPZI do well, but moreso, we all want to be honest and forthright with our opinions, without hidden agendas, and keep this board useful....
I may be speaking out of turn as I am not the moderator and I dont even know most on this board, but assume the above is accurate, as most folks here seem legit, imo....
But please...may I ask a favor? If your attitude does another 180 and you feel like going in to bash mode...please go someplace else <lol>......I dont mind negative opinions and in fact, I tend to be very critical of my long positions as I want ever rock unturned to see what lies beneath...dirt, gold, whatever....but, being 'critical' and 'bashing' are two different beasts...I for one, welcome your opinions, but do hope you leave the 'beast' at home and dont plan on walking him on this board in the future.... ;>)"
Let's start by reviewing message # 2862, on this board. And then go straight to message # 2871. Any other direct information you require can be done by contacting the CEO at Spooz, just like everyone else.
If you actually took the time to read and do your own DD about SPZI, then you would already know the answer to your question!! It's right in front of you.
JLT, all of my current stock purchases are definitely in the direction of SPZI. IMO, I don't see any other penny stock being able to outperform Spooz in the near future. I was suprised to see a company like Spooz as a penny stock in the first place, but Spooz has done all the right things in the past year or so, and everyone in Spooz will be "smiling" soon enough. Fortunate for us to find them in the pennies!!!!
GLTY, alliecorp
JLT, do you have any suggested reading for SSTY? I had a brief look at their website. Very intersting!!
Thanks for all your help!!
alliecorp
westeffer,
Other than the obvious, do you have any suggested DD info sites to start to take a look at with SSTY???
TY, alliecorp
JLT and Westeffer, it sounds like the two of you are going to be some big shareholders in Spooz. GLTY both.
JLT, I am accumulating as fast as I can but I doubt I will be able to keep up with you. I'll keep trying..!!!
I am looking forward to all the good things to come with Spooz, too.
Hi JLT, I have done a great deal of DD over these several months or so, and noticed that Spooz had already begun their auditing process in January of 2005. And the Audits must be done before a jump to the big boards on Nasdaq. So the audits must be complete for the year ending, 2005, by now????
Also, when they did their Beta testing on their products,over these past couple of years, that's probably when they attracted many of their serious investors, already. The beta tests for Spooz products were most likely done with Brokerage firms, professional traders, Brokers, and regular traders who applied, IMO!!!
So, Spooz has done almost everything already to prepare for what's leading up to their next PR.
I believe your enthusiam is definitely warranted, I am still accumulating and waiting...eagerly! Thanks JLT
Alliecorp
Thank you for that!!! GLTY Thin
Maybe this will help to define Distruptive Technology a little more...and you can see why this term relates so well to SpoozToolz!
Background
A distinctive feature of genuinely disruptive technologies is that they can have very many different applications. This is particularly true for nanotechnology. For example, nanoparticle technology alone can influence a large number of products and services
What Are Disruptive Technologies and How Will They Affect Traditional Industries?
Disruptive technologies are those that displace older technologies and enable radically new generations of existing products and processes to take over. For example, optical data storage, through such devices as compact disks, has changed the face of home entertainment and computing; digital cameras based on solid-state memory and imaging technologies are replacing photographic film.
Disruptive Technologies Offer New Types of Product and Will Open Up New Markets
Disruptive technologies can also enable whole new classes of products and markets not previously feasible, such as portable computing, mobile phones or digital imaging. New industries and new companies grow, and existing companies can continue to compete if they notice and adapt rapidly. Those that do not, face rapid obsolescence and decline.
Primary author: Dr John Taylor, OBE, FRS, FEng, Director-General of the Research Councils.
Source: Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) Report entitled ‘New Dimensions for Manufacturing: A UK Strategy for Nanotechnology’, published in June 2002.
For more information on this source please visit http://www.dti.gov.uk.
Disruptive Technology is a good thing...it means that Spooz is on the leading edge of changing the technology of trading. Essentially, they are creating a trading platform that is more effective and accessible for everyone. The definition is...
Disruptive technology
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A disruptive technology is a new technological innovation, product, or service that eventually overturns the existing dominant technology in the market, despite the fact that the disruptive technology is both radically different from the leading technology. A disruptive technology comes to dominate an existing market by either filling a role in a new market that the older technology could not fill (as more expensive, lower capacity but smaller-sized hard disks did for newly developed notebook computers in the 1980s) or by successively moving up-market through performance improvements until finally displacing the market incumbents (as digital photography has begun to replace film photography).
By contrast, sustaining technology refers to the successive incremental improvements to performance that market incumbents incorporate into their existing product.
The term disruptive technology was coined by Clayton M. Christensen and described in his 1997 book The Innovator's Dilemma. In his sequel, The Innovator's Solution, Christensen replaced the term with the term disruptive innovation because he recognized that few technologies are intrinsically disruptive or sustaining in character. It is strategy that creates the disruptive impact.
Beta testing has also been going on for Spooz for the past few years, from what I understand. I suppose it is similar to Beta Testing for computers with Diablo 3. SpoozToolz didn't just suddenly launch, it was being Beta tested for quite some time. This article very briefly mentions Spooz Inc, in it.
Software Firms Use Beta Tests To Build Buzz
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03/29/05 4:00 AM PT
"Beta is becoming as much a marketing tool as a legitimate testing product," Jupiter Research analyst Joe Wilcox said. "Companies want to let the public know what they are doing so now they introduce the beta as quickly as possible. But often the product is somewhere between alpha and beta."
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"Beta release." These two words are attached to more and more software releases these days -- and not open-source products, either.
It seems almost everything Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) releases, for example, is first introduced in beta version, and analysts said even Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) has now officially jumped on the beta bandwagon, aiming to create some early buzz for new apps.
Microsoft's Windows Messenger 7, MSN Desktop Search, and MSN Spaces, to name a few, were recently launched as beta products. Analysts said the software giant held two separate conference calls for its Desktop Search product -- one for the news media and a second for financial analysts -- to discuss its search strategy.
Keep this in mind: The product is not even shipping yet.
Beta Mania
Has the software world gone beta mad? Where have the days of unveiling products as final releases gone?
Analysts said the flurry of beta releases represents a marketing strategy that many software companies are using to hype their products long before they hit the computer store shelves. But those same analysts said that strategy may backfire on some of them before it's all over.
"Software companies are rushing out with beta releases to get a marketing advantage," Jupiter Research analyst Joe Wilcox told TechNewsWorld. "That way when there are bugs in the software they can always use the default excuse that 'it's just beta.'"
What is Beta?
Wilcox said in some ways what qualifies as a beta release has dropped down a notch or two -- many beta releases nowadays actually look more like alpha releases. Alpha releases are typically rough builds; not quite ready for prime time software that companies wouldn't release to the public, he said, while beta releases are typically further down the development pipeline.
"Beta is becoming as much a marketing tool as a legitimate testing product," Wilcox said. "Companies want to let the public know what they are doing so now they introduce the beta as quickly as possible. But often the product is somewhere between alpha and beta."
The question, then, becomes: Is launching software in beta (or sometimes even pre-beta) and hoping the hype will pay dividends really a good idea for software companies? That depends on whom you ask.
One Size Does Not Fit All
Kevin McLaughlin, managing partner at Public i, a public relations strategy and execution firm in New Brunswick, N.J. with clients like Spooz, Inc. and Antepo, told TechNewsWorld that one size beta software release strategy does not fit all.
"For emerging technology companies, pre-announcing a product release is typically not a good idea. Bugs, missing or underdeveloped features can turn off prospective customers in a hurry -- and it becomes quite costly to revive those leads, if it's possible at all," McLaughlin said.
McLaughlin recommends what he considers a better route to pre-launch buzz: getting "gold code" versions of new software into the hands of press reviewers so editorial evaluations will run prior to "general availability" of the software. He said this adds critical third-party validation for the software's capabilities in lieu of a large user base and testimonials from household names.
Boon for Large Players
Still, for established companies like Microsoft, Google, et. al., analysts said releasing beta software can be a good strategy for quickly refining the product.
When it comes to mature products or brands with a well established user base, its development of new functionality, and subsequent new versions of the software, are usually driven by user feedback, support requests, or user group meetings and conferences, according to McLaughlin.
"Releasing beta can help make a better product, give existing users a warm and fuzzy 'insider' status, and create buzz that simply can't be bought," he said.
Innovators vs. Early Adopters
Mitchell Goozé, author of "It's Not Rocket Science: Using Marketing to Build a Sustainable Business," has advised Fortune 200 tech firms on marketing strategies for 15 years. Goozé said that beta versions, especially of new to the market products, are exactly what innovators want to see, which brings us back to the one size does not fit all argument.
"Innovators love the idea of being the first kid on the block to have something," Goozé said. "But many companies make the mistake of providing beta software to early adopters. Early adopters are perfect users of release 1.0, they do not really want beta software, but they appreciate first release."
A case in point is Netscape. Its first browser was in beta for a long period before the first official version was finally released. The innovators appreciated the opportunity to test drive the Web surfing vehicle. But most of the world was looking forward to the official release.
"There is a legitimate benefit to the beta process," Wilcox concluded. "What's different today is that companies are making almost as much splash around their beta releases as they make around the final release. Beta has simply become more than a testing process. It's also a marketing vehicle."
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This is old but interesting...Spooz has some very impressive guidance people in additiont to their management team.
BusinessWire
Spooz Announces Formation of Executive Advisory Board
09.20.05, 8:52 AM ET
Spooz, Inc. (Pink Sheets: SPZI) announced today the formation of its Executive Advisory Board. Comprised of top business and financial industry leaders, the professional panel will help support and secure the Company's future market positioning and continued growth. Paul D. Strickland, Jr., CEO of Spooz commented, "We are delighted with both the caliber of character and level of business acumen that the new members of our Advisory Board bring to the Company. Their successful track records encompass virtually every facet of business management and will undoubtedly be instrumental in helping Spooz reach its technical, operational and financial milestones creating shareholder value." He added, "Of particular importance is the groups' significant industry contacts, solid grasp of operational finance, product development and sales, and a deep understanding of the impact of technology within the financial services industry."
The Spooz Advisory Board roster includes:
Ben Galewsky - A 20 year veteran of directing IT initiatives for trading and banking institutions, including Xcaliber Trading Systems, Swiss Bank Corporation (now UBS-AG (NYSE:UBS)), Northern Telecom (now Nortel (NYSE:NT)(TSX:NT)) and O'Connor Associates, Mr. Galewsky currently serves as a lead systems architect and software developer at Software Options, a provider of futures and options trading solutions. Mr. Galewsky is a professional IT manager who has extensive experience in enterprise architecture, distributed system development, and migration planning. His particular experience lies in banking and electronic trading applications. He served as the Chief Technical Architect at Swiss Bank Corporation where he developed the global business process architecture for a divisional banking operations re-engineering program.
Reginald Jean Gaudino, Ph.D. - A scientific advisor with specific expertise in the field of Intellectual Property law, Dr. Gaudino has extensive experience drafting patents for new technologies, reviewing and creating licensing agreements, and directing the course of Intellectual Property litigation. He specializes in patent landscape analysis and business development relative to intellectual property, drafting patents for new technologies to ensure the broadest possible coverage of claims, Intellectual Property asset management, drafting licensing and cross-licensing documents.
John Katovich, Esq. - A 20-year industry stalwart, Mr. Katovich has served as a senior executive and legal counsel for numerous financial exchanges and trading system providers, including the Pacific Stock Exchange, OptiMark Technologies, and ePIT Systems. Having represented EUREX and Archipelago ECN (PCX: AX), Mr. Katovich currently runs a private practice focused on Regulatory and Intellectual Property matters for organizations developing new and unique trading solutions.
James Gunning Jr., CPA - Mr. Gunning has been Chief Financial Officer with public and private companies in various industries for 20 years. His experiences have covered significant capital acquisition, mergers, and acquisition transactions. As a member of a "Big Four" firm for 11 years, Mr. Gunning served in the Financial Consulting, Tax and Compliance practice groups. As a corporate financial consultant working with early stage companies, Mr. Gunning was fundamental in the development and execution of growth strategies, business plans and operational plans.
Martin P. Waterman - A venture capitalist, political consultant, journalist, and serial entrepreneur, Mr. Waterman currently serves as the co-founder and president of Strategic DNA, Inc., in which he specializes in installing the infrastructure, media, and management teams to help emerging companies evolve into industry leaders.
About Spooz, Inc.
Spooz, Inc., a publicly traded company based in Chicago, provides a suite of solutions designed to simplify financial trading for traders and hedgers alike. SpoozToolz(TM) and its modules, the Company's flagship products, add built-in trading capabilities to the popular Microsoft(R) Excel software application, combining a customizable interface, streaming quotes, charts, technical analysis, a comprehensive historical database, and electronic trade execution into a simple add-in that becomes part of the Excel tool bar.
From another board...
Short Interest Reporting in Pink Sheets Stocks Begins July 3rd
April 7, 2006 -- Changes to NASD short interest reporting rules will be effective July 3, 2006. These changes will expand the short interest reporting requirements to over-the-counter (OTC) equity securities, including those quoted on Pink Sheets. For additional information, see NASD Notice to Members 06-14 – April 2006.
http://www.nasd.com/web/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&ssDocName=NASDW_016368
JlT, how did you do today? I managed to get some more, 50000 at a time for me. I still think this stock is cheap at 0.02.
Thin-air, I have been looking for current reviews of SpoozToolz, and the only thing I have found so far is from 2004. It's just a brief statement.
Nice grab JLT...much better than yesterday, for you. It's only a matter of time now until your retirement, and mine. Thanks for keeping in touch with the company!!!
GLTA
HI JLT, glad to hear from you. Sounds like you had a rough trading day. I put my orders in the night before and they were filled first thing in the am. My guess is that last week some MM's tried to start a panic sell off, by lowering the price, drastically. This week it looks like they are trying to create a higher volume with the lower price to make it look more like there is a panic sell off, when there isn't. They didn't even reach the 5,000,000 average mark today. We'll see how hard they try for it tomorrow. IMO, the MM's are trying to position themselves for the future, and get more shares for their float????? And still fill a few outside orders. A single large order would take quite a bit away from their float accumulation. This would be one way to shake out some shares. Also, the lower the price is now, the easier it will be for them to make a quick buck when the price goes up with the announcement in the future. This is just a guess of course, but the buy and sell patterns are still as unusual, as they were last Thursday???? I will keep trying to get more myself, and hold. Try placing your order in the early am, or night before, and maybe the larger order will get partially filled. In the meantime, if you hear from Paul or anyone at Spooz, it would be interesting to know what they have to say. I am glad to hear that they told you not to worry and hold what you have. That helps a lot. Good luck tomorrow.
I got one buy in at .015 for 55,000 and a friend got a buy in at .017 for 50,000, which will be held for the longs. The one thing the MM's have managed to do today other than the obvious is increase the volume. Any ideas????
There was one at .015, maybe they're trying to fill in all the missed orders from last week??????
Well, it's at 0.013, with 619,055 shares...hope all the longs get a chance to get in on the buy.
Ignoring a basher is usually the best option, absolutely. This particular incidence was a little different, and they know it.
Now, it's back to the real Spooz News.
THANK YOU so much for finding that. I have been looking, but this is perfect. There are rules and legal action that can possibly be taken.
We have a lot of real SPZI investors and longs on this board that deserve better treatment. There have been some great questions, answers, and comments from some solid people that have obviously done their homework and those looking for honest and sincere answers. I look forward to more input from the real Spooz investors/longs.
I will also be looking into your article, and information like it, with a little more depth.
NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID! When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks
And we all know who it is now, if you read between these lines!!!!
NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID! When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks
A must read about Stock Bashers (unknown author)
How to recognize Stock bashers on Message boards, newsgroups and in chat rooms. its too long but you got to read it.
LEARNING is a process and an evolution. Learning is not all fluff. Learning is a process of awareness and unfolding development; one must be willing to work at it though.
A year ago when I asked broker friends of mine if the internet message boards will have any affect on a stock. They ALL laughed at me and said those idiots having an affect on a stock!
A truth: IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO INFORM PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK.
Well I asked those same friends this last week, and the answer from all YES! message boards and ""shorts" (some) can manipulate with lies, and deceit.
Now think about that, you have elderly that invest and find their way to the message boards only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits" or you have a Yuppie with a kid to put in college going to these message boards only to see posts by 15-20 (probably 5 or 6 under alias) "pack of shorts" posting the same false stuff about SEC Violations or lawsuits or "there's bad news coming out" ....what do you think they will do ?
It's easier to sell the stock and put the money into the bank for nervous people like the elderly and the Yuppie who needs college funds. THAT'S WHO THE PACK OF SHORTS PRAY ON AND DEPEND ON. They bet on a stock to go down-not up! Understand? And they have just as much money and risk as you. But they have the edge of fear, lies, falsehoods to post and pray on the nervous. Longs don't have that.
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER BASH A BAD STOCK. Watch the board for stocks with no potential. They never have any bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are going upwards or have excellent potential to go up. Bashers get left behind, so they want to bring the price down.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The basher will post this over and over again. The stupid basher will try to make the old news a bit fresher to try to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to address the bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information.
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a basher. The truth on startup companies is that many mistakes are made and losses happen. The basher will try to make you believe all startup companies make a profit, release financials every quarter and all aspects of the business run smoothly. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE BASHERS LIE TO YOU. Startup companies can go years without profits, financials and good business, this is the nature of the beast.
Lesson 5: The bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the statements they do.
Lesson 6: The bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you couldn't know the difference (unless you have done your assessment of the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. YOU have held a penny stock for a while. You knew it will be a big penny stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN . That's when the basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the penny stock was to hold it for one year. The basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW PARTNER TOO, to be able to get in at a great price.
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to hit the newbies visiting the board. They are trying to wear out the longs on the board. They do whatever it takes to wear the longs out.
Lesson 9: BASHERS WILL TRY TO CREATE DOUBT AND GET YOU TO RESEARCH ITEMS THAT THEY KNOW WILL LEAD TO THE CREATION OF DOUBT IN YOU AND IN OTHER STOCKHOLDERS. A typical trick of an advanced basher is to propose that there is a potential "problem" because "we" don't have the facts on a particular subject. The basher dares someone in the group to find out the answer to the question. The basher already knows the answer; the basher already knows what will be found. The power of this tactic is that the basher is now in control of the actions of the stockholders; the basher has you, the stockholder doing HIS/HER due diligence and when you, the stockholder come back to the group with a questionable finding then the basher gains credibility. What to do??? Solution??? Well, I think it's important to find answers but on your own terms. I actually pick up the phone and call the company and talk to the investor relations person or the CEO until I get a satisfactory answer. The problem here is that the advanced basher has you doing his bidding and his work; you have essentially joined his ranks. So, develop your own little Due Diligence package and answer questions by placing the information into the package and referring all new investors to read the answers to questions raised in the Investor Information package but DON'T GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH THE BASHER REGARDING THE TOPIC. THAT IS WHERE YOU LOSE. DON'T CONVERSE WITH THE BASHER; ANSWER INDIRECTLY; DON'T USE THE BASHERS NAME; DON'T GET INTO A PERSONALITY CONTEST.
A BASHERS HANDBOOK: know the enemy who wishes to steal your money! Do not underestimate a bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book" so to speak. Learn from it or donate your money to those who make an organized plan to steal your money!
BASHERS DO THE FOLLOWING:
1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a support base before initiating your bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build to it.
8. Identify your foes (hypesters) and the boards "guru" Use them to your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "basher". Newbies won't know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, DO NOT NAME CALL and DO NOT USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people for taking the companies word for anything. Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the hypesters into personal debates putting their focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts. Show them the facts from a "different angle."
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to instead of the one your bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
GRADE YOUR FAVORITE BASHER:
Advanced Basher:
Will join the message board early and actually "pump" the stock with positives; this basher is very intelligent, has the facts of the company, actually helps longs with Due Diligence and generally gets the confidence of the stockholders. Then, when the stock hits their price, the tone will change and they will start asking longs to check into this and check into that. The seeds of doubt are being planted. This basher will then start using all the tactics listed on this page to create seeds of doubt. ALWAYS LOOK AT THE PROFILE OF A PERSON YOU SUSPECT. ASK WHAT STOCKS THEY'VE "SUPPORTED" IN THE PAST AND CHECK OUT THE MESSAGE BOARD. An honest person will have a positive track record that can be followed. I strongly believe that a contrary view is needed but this person is out to steal your money and does it by deception and creates fear after gaining confidence! BEWARE, this is the most clever basher and the hardest to spot.
Grade A Basher:
Posts lots of old news, responds to all positive posts with a negative side. Never responds to being called a basher, never posts on another board. Can spend up to 80 hours a week bashing a stock.
Grade B Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade C Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade D Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week. Grade F Basher: A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
WHY BASH?: MONEY (the usual reason), SPORT, ENTERTAINMENT. Some bashers are compelled to bash because they are inherently a part of the dark side of life so they must do it. It's a sad fact but never the less, a fact. It's life so you must learn how to deal with it or become a victim!
LEARN ABOUT HOW STOCK BASHERS WORK: how they are paid: (this was written by a basher) I know the following from a "friend" who needed extra money. I never answer a basher directly because I then become a basher's little money machine. IGNORE THEM FOLKS...how bashers are paid: When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Money Manager's and the like don't have the time to check all their bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the basher will generally read the headlines to see if a basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those. A basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion.
NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID!
Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your Due Diligence, ,trust your own judgment and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or bashers and live by the rules you have created.
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NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID! When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks
A must read about Stock Bashers (unknown author)
How to recognize Stock bashers on Message boards, newsgroups and in chat rooms. its too long but you got to read it.
LEARNING is a process and an evolution. Learning is not all fluff. Learning is a process of awareness and unfolding development; one must be willing to work at it though.
A year ago when I asked broker friends of mine if the internet message boards will have any affect on a stock. They ALL laughed at me and said those idiots having an affect on a stock!
A truth: IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO INFORM PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK.
Well I asked those same friends this last week, and the answer from all YES! message boards and ""shorts" (some) can manipulate with lies, and deceit.
Now think about that, you have elderly that invest and find their way to the message boards only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits" or you have a Yuppie with a kid to put in college going to these message boards only to see posts by 15-20 (probably 5 or 6 under alias) "pack of shorts" posting the same false stuff about SEC Violations or lawsuits or "there's bad news coming out" ....what do you think they will do ?
It's easier to sell the stock and put the money into the bank for nervous people like the elderly and the Yuppie who needs college funds. THAT'S WHO THE PACK OF SHORTS PRAY ON AND DEPEND ON. They bet on a stock to go down-not up! Understand? And they have just as much money and risk as you. But they have the edge of fear, lies, falsehoods to post and pray on the nervous. Longs don't have that.
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER BASH A BAD STOCK. Watch the board for stocks with no potential. They never have any bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are going upwards or have excellent potential to go up. Bashers get left behind, so they want to bring the price down.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The basher will post this over and over again. The stupid basher will try to make the old news a bit fresher to try to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to address the bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information.
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a basher. The truth on startup companies is that many mistakes are made and losses happen. The basher will try to make you believe all startup companies make a profit, release financials every quarter and all aspects of the business run smoothly. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE BASHERS LIE TO YOU. Startup companies can go years without profits, financials and good business, this is the nature of the beast.
Lesson 5: The bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the statements they do.
Lesson 6: The bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you couldn't know the difference (unless you have done your assessment of the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. YOU have held a penny stock for a while. You knew it will be a big penny stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN . That's when the basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the penny stock was to hold it for one year. The basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW PARTNER TOO, to be able to get in at a great price.
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to hit the newbies visiting the board. They are trying to wear out the longs on the board. They do whatever it takes to wear the longs out.
Lesson 9: BASHERS WILL TRY TO CREATE DOUBT AND GET YOU TO RESEARCH ITEMS THAT THEY KNOW WILL LEAD TO THE CREATION OF DOUBT IN YOU AND IN OTHER STOCKHOLDERS. A typical trick of an advanced basher is to propose that there is a potential "problem" because "we" don't have the facts on a particular subject. The basher dares someone in the group to find out the answer to the question. The basher already knows the answer; the basher already knows what will be found. The power of this tactic is that the basher is now in control of the actions of the stockholders; the basher has you, the stockholder doing HIS/HER due diligence and when you, the stockholder come back to the group with a questionable finding then the basher gains credibility. What to do??? Solution??? Well, I think it's important to find answers but on your own terms. I actually pick up the phone and call the company and talk to the investor relations person or the CEO until I get a satisfactory answer. The problem here is that the advanced basher has you doing his bidding and his work; you have essentially joined his ranks. So, develop your own little Due Diligence package and answer questions by placing the information into the package and referring all new investors to read the answers to questions raised in the Investor Information package but DON'T GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH THE BASHER REGARDING THE TOPIC. THAT IS WHERE YOU LOSE. DON'T CONVERSE WITH THE BASHER; ANSWER INDIRECTLY; DON'T USE THE BASHERS NAME; DON'T GET INTO A PERSONALITY CONTEST.
A BASHERS HANDBOOK: know the enemy who wishes to steal your money! Do not underestimate a bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book" so to speak. Learn from it or donate your money to those who make an organized plan to steal your money!
BASHERS DO THE FOLLOWING:
1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a support base before initiating your bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build to it.
8. Identify your foes (hypesters) and the boards "guru" Use them to your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "basher". Newbies won't know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, DO NOT NAME CALL and DO NOT USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people for taking the companies word for anything. Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the hypesters into personal debates putting their focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts. Show them the facts from a "different angle."
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to instead of the one your bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
GRADE YOUR FAVORITE BASHER:
Advanced Basher:
Will join the message board early and actually "pump" the stock with positives; this basher is very intelligent, has the facts of the company, actually helps longs with Due Diligence and generally gets the confidence of the stockholders. Then, when the stock hits their price, the tone will change and they will start asking longs to check into this and check into that. The seeds of doubt are being planted. This basher will then start using all the tactics listed on this page to create seeds of doubt. ALWAYS LOOK AT THE PROFILE OF A PERSON YOU SUSPECT. ASK WHAT STOCKS THEY'VE "SUPPORTED" IN THE PAST AND CHECK OUT THE MESSAGE BOARD. An honest person will have a positive track record that can be followed. I strongly believe that a contrary view is needed but this person is out to steal your money and does it by deception and creates fear after gaining confidence! BEWARE, this is the most clever basher and the hardest to spot.
Grade A Basher:
Posts lots of old news, responds to all positive posts with a negative side. Never responds to being called a basher, never posts on another board. Can spend up to 80 hours a week bashing a stock.
Grade B Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade C Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade D Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week. Grade F Basher: A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
WHY BASH?: MONEY (the usual reason), SPORT, ENTERTAINMENT. Some bashers are compelled to bash because they are inherently a part of the dark side of life so they must do it. It's a sad fact but never the less, a fact. It's life so you must learn how to deal with it or become a victim!
LEARN ABOUT HOW STOCK BASHERS WORK: how they are paid: (this was written by a basher) I know the following from a "friend" who needed extra money. I never answer a basher directly because I then become a basher's little money machine. IGNORE THEM FOLKS...how bashers are paid: When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Money Manager's and the like don't have the time to check all their bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the basher will generally read the headlines to see if a basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those. A basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion.
NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID!
Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your Due Diligence, ,trust your own judgment and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or bashers and live by the rules you have created.
Home l About us l Services l Contact us l Disclaimer l Web Site Use Policy
The Novak Report l Featured Companies l Glossary l IPO Corner l NIRI Code of Ethics l Market Regulations
Message Boards l Radio Shows l Legal l Charity l Claytons' Corner
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American Stellar Energy (AMRS) l Titan Oil and Gas (TNOG)
Copyrights 2005 Novak Capital Incorporated. All rights reserved
This is a response to the TT patents posted on the Elite Trader website in 2004....you can see the need and desire for a SpoozToolz system.
Member Registered: Sep 2001
Posts: 1023
08-13-04 01:58 AM
I just got a heads up from a buddy in the form of a forwarded copy of the John Lothian Newsletter. In it is revealed that TT has been given a patent for the concept of the price ladder DOM for placing orders.
The suggestion is that anyone using this concept (ninja, buttontrader, trademave, booktrader, etc etc) is breaking the patent. Anyone have knowledge of what this will really mean?
It's getting pathetic that you can patent a vertical row of numbers.
Member Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2875
08-13-04 02:15 AM
Another good reason to roll your own like I did. I've got a price ladder, and they can't take it away from me.
Member Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 6709
08-13-04 03:11 AM
thanks for posting..... this is heavy news. wonder if the patent will get shot down if challenged in court.
no more j trader DOM, no more tradestation price ladder ?? these guys are not going to roll over or pay a fee to use this concept......
Member Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 2476
08-13-04 03:18 PM
anyone got the number of a good lawyer?
ive just came up with this amazing new way to graphically represent price. its a vertical bar with 2 little notches on for the open and close! waddya think?
e-signal - your ass is mine! i want $1 for every price bar your lousy charts produce - the world over
ive got a price ladder and i aint afraid to use it!
so much for TT - i thought they were a decent company - obviously just a bunch of tight fisted shysters
Now that was a great post, thanks again, JLT!!!!
It's time to call out all of the negative, unsubstantiated, self-indulgent garbage to get off this board. The longs are here to stay. GLTA
The post was done before the launch, you're right. There are a lot of brilliant tech guys/gals who will jump at the chance to work for a company like Spooz, especially at such an exciting time in Spooz Inc., and work to with such talented management.
A good repost...this management team will attract the best and the brightest.
I have been looking through different search engines for SpoozToolz posts/information, and found a website, Elite Traders. The posting date is for April, 2006. This is where the professional traders talk amongst themselves. IMO, SpoozToolz news is starting to really travel.
Member Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 522
04-01-06 09:31 PM
Does anyone know of any written books on using Excel to develop trading models?
hopback
Member Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 107
04-01-06 09:45 PM
Haven't seen any books specificaly for trading applications, been reading VBA books myself.
My model is almost complete at this point, just trying to make it easier to use. I have 1 version for bonds and 1 version for eminis, would like to combine them.
Just found this site by searching "excel for trading"
http://www.spooztoolz.com/
It is funy you posted this. When I was working in Austin, this company was just starting out. Now, they moved to Chicago.
At the time, the talk was being able to build trading models through their "software."
If you find anything else, let me know
Totally agree with you. And based on the majority of the posts here, we all seem to be holding long and strong.
thin air, you're right, stay focused on the long, and continue to do your own DD. There are some excellent posts here by drifter and nukuhiva, and it's good go back and take a look. All stocks have their ups and downs, but if you do your homework, you'll stay confident, regardless.
A must read about Stock Bashers (unknown author)
How to recognize Stock bashers on Message boards, newsgroups and in chat rooms. its too long but you got to read it.
LEARNING is a process and an evolution. Learning is not all fluff. Learning is a process of awareness and unfolding development; one must be willing to work at it though.
A year ago when I asked broker friends of mine if the internet message boards will have any affect on a stock. They ALL laughed at me and said those idiots having an affect on a stock!
A truth: IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO INFORM PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK.
Well I asked those same friends this last week, and the answer from all YES! message boards and ""shorts" (some) can manipulate with lies, and deceit.
Now think about that, you have elderly that invest and find their way to the message boards only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits" or you have a Yuppie with a kid to put in college going to these message boards only to see posts by 15-20 (probably 5 or 6 under alias) "pack of shorts" posting the same false stuff about SEC Violations or lawsuits or "there's bad news coming out" ....what do you think they will do ?
It's easier to sell the stock and put the money into the bank for nervous people like the elderly and the Yuppie who needs college funds. THAT'S WHO THE PACK OF SHORTS PRAY ON AND DEPEND ON. They bet on a stock to go down-not up! Understand? And they have just as much money and risk as you. But they have the edge of fear, lies, falsehoods to post and pray on the nervous. Longs don't have that.
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER BASH A BAD STOCK. Watch the board for stocks with no potential. They never have any bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are going upwards or have excellent potential to go up. Bashers get left behind, so they want to bring the price down.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The basher will post this over and over again. The stupid basher will try to make the old news a bit fresher to try to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to address the bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information.
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a basher. The truth on startup companies is that many mistakes are made and losses happen. The basher will try to make you believe all startup companies make a profit, release financials every quarter and all aspects of the business run smoothly. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE BASHERS LIE TO YOU. Startup companies can go years without profits, financials and good business, this is the nature of the beast.
Lesson 5: The bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the statements they do.
Lesson 6: The bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you couldn't know the difference (unless you have done your assessment of the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. YOU have held a penny stock for a while. You knew it will be a big penny stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN . That's when the basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the penny stock was to hold it for one year. The basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW PARTNER TOO, to be able to get in at a great price.
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to hit the newbies visiting the board. They are trying to wear out the longs on the board. They do whatever it takes to wear the longs out.
Lesson 9: BASHERS WILL TRY TO CREATE DOUBT AND GET YOU TO RESEARCH ITEMS THAT THEY KNOW WILL LEAD TO THE CREATION OF DOUBT IN YOU AND IN OTHER STOCKHOLDERS. A typical trick of an advanced basher is to propose that there is a potential "problem" because "we" don't have the facts on a particular subject. The basher dares someone in the group to find out the answer to the question. The basher already knows the answer; the basher already knows what will be found. The power of this tactic is that the basher is now in control of the actions of the stockholders; the basher has you, the stockholder doing HIS/HER due diligence and when you, the stockholder come back to the group with a questionable finding then the basher gains credibility. What to do??? Solution??? Well, I think it's important to find answers but on your own terms. I actually pick up the phone and call the company and talk to the investor relations person or the CEO until I get a satisfactory answer. The problem here is that the advanced basher has you doing his bidding and his work; you have essentially joined his ranks. So, develop your own little Due Diligence package and answer questions by placing the information into the package and referring all new investors to read the answers to questions raised in the Investor Information package but DON'T GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH THE BASHER REGARDING THE TOPIC. THAT IS WHERE YOU LOSE. DON'T CONVERSE WITH THE BASHER; ANSWER INDIRECTLY; DON'T USE THE BASHERS NAME; DON'T GET INTO A PERSONALITY CONTEST.
A BASHERS HANDBOOK: know the enemy who wishes to steal your money! Do not underestimate a bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book" so to speak. Learn from it or donate your money to those who make an organized plan to steal your money!
BASHERS DO THE FOLLOWING:
1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a support base before initiating your bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build to it.
8. Identify your foes (hypesters) and the boards "guru" Use them to your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "basher". Newbies won't know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, DO NOT NAME CALL and DO NOT USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people for taking the companies word for anything. Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the hypesters into personal debates putting their focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts. Show them the facts from a "different angle."
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to instead of the one your bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
GRADE YOUR FAVORITE BASHER:
Advanced Basher:
Will join the message board early and actually "pump" the stock with positives; this basher is very intelligent, has the facts of the company, actually helps longs with Due Diligence and generally gets the confidence of the stockholders. Then, when the stock hits their price, the tone will change and they will start asking longs to check into this and check into that. The seeds of doubt are being planted. This basher will then start using all the tactics listed on this page to create seeds of doubt. ALWAYS LOOK AT THE PROFILE OF A PERSON YOU SUSPECT. ASK WHAT STOCKS THEY'VE "SUPPORTED" IN THE PAST AND CHECK OUT THE MESSAGE BOARD. An honest person will have a positive track record that can be followed. I strongly believe that a contrary view is needed but this person is out to steal your money and does it by deception and creates fear after gaining confidence! BEWARE, this is the most clever basher and the hardest to spot.
Grade A Basher:
Posts lots of old news, responds to all positive posts with a negative side. Never responds to being called a basher, never posts on another board. Can spend up to 80 hours a week bashing a stock.
Grade B Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade C Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade D Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week. Grade F Basher: A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
WHY BASH?: MONEY (the usual reason), SPORT, ENTERTAINMENT. Some bashers are compelled to bash because they are inherently a part of the dark side of life so they must do it. It's a sad fact but never the less, a fact. It's life so you must learn how to deal with it or become a victim!
LEARN ABOUT HOW STOCK BASHERS WORK: how they are paid: (this was written by a basher) I know the following from a "friend" who needed extra money. I never answer a basher directly because I then become a basher's little money machine. IGNORE THEM FOLKS...how bashers are paid: When you REPLY to bashers you give them an opportunity to earn 5-7 bucks. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Money Manager's and the like don't have the time to check all their bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the basher will generally read the headlines to see if a basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those. A basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion.
NEVER ENGAGE A STOCK BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER'S AID!
Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your Due Diligence, ,trust your own judgment and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or bashers and live by the rules you have created.
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On another note, I found this on the Elite Trader website...
Member Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 522
04-01-06 09:31 PM
Does anyone know of any written books on using Excel to develop trading models?
hopback
Member Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 107
04-01-06 09:45 PM
Haven't seen any books specificaly for trading applications, been reading VBA books myself.
My model is almost complete at this point, just trying to make it easier to use. I have 1 version for bonds and 1 version for eminis, would like to combine them.
Just found this site by searching "excel for trading"
http://www.spooztoolz.com/
It is funy you posted this. When I was working in Austin, this company was just starting out. Now, they moved to Chicago.
At the time, the talk was being able to build trading models through their "software."
If you find anything else, let me know
The sky is falling...the sky is falling....now you are just making me laugh. Thanks LA, I needed that.
JLT, I am with you and increasing my shares everyday, and closing in on a million. This type of opportunity doesn't come along everyday, espicially with trading technology, and for start up share prices!!!!!
A PR would give everyone some relief, but my guess is Spooz will have an audit done before they do a financial release, which takes time. I believe you need to have an audit done before you can get out of the Pinks??? If Spooz were to put out a so-so PR right now to appease the investors, with the share value at only .02, there wouldn't be much mercy on the trading floor. Look what happened at the launch. I think Spooz will come out with a strong PR, when they have their papers ready. From what I have been reading, that's the message management has been sending. Thanks JLT.