CAML - today again on OTCBB/L2

JLEO 5000 0.04 ARCA 500 1.49 ( ??? )

Third day in the row.

In those 5 years playing shells ,ever never have seen something like this.
New kid on the block ?

Well.This wasn't a point.I clearly stated that you can't compare one pinky to another.
It's not fair and has no sense at all.
Woould like to repeat agin.We have excellent patented technology,
some big names coming in - but that's all.

We have no bussines schedule for 2010 yet ( hope we'll get one )
and that's it.

No definitive sales projections, no bussines plan etc.. for 2010
and here we are.In dark or at best in twilight.

I'm pretty sure that this tension shouldn't last forever, cause
in opossite many shareholders thrust will fly away, with their money as well.

IMO.

It's unfair to compare one company to another.
But the main reasin of my writing is very personal one.
I was involved in such dicky-tricky game ( as shareholder )
with really bad scam named KDSC ( Kidsational Inc. - not exist anymore ).
Same pattern of fancy-nancy PR three times a week and where the
whole project came to an end ?
In two years from PPS of 0.2 to 0.001.
So from this very sour experience I concluded that the best way for pinky shareholders is to put as much pressure on company management as possible.In other case everyone will get nailed he'll really not want to be.
Just my experience.In other words - caution always should take place.

Hey, it's all about numbers.Just numbers.And until we are not able to get any relevant confirmation from ESFS managment that their bussines plan in 2010' is headed to reach ASAP those 30M we're just loosing our time.In my point 0f view - as simple as that.
So no more just fancy nancy PR stories but just the truth - whatever
it is.
For start and example :

What's the sales projection for 2010 ?
1,2,5,10 M USD ?
How are you're going to finance sales expansions in case of :
1,2,5,10 M USD - with share diluution or much better with mid term
loan( s ) from financial institutions ?
And so on and on and on.
This are the basic questions.

To make myself absolutly clear and repeat again - technology itself is breaktrough in it's best, but if I'm thinking as investor - it remains just BIG WHAT ?
AND SO WHAT ?
What we expect from ESFS is a reliable bussines plan focusing
exclusivly to bring new contracts,payment for those already done etc...
Who,why , where is testing ESF technology simply makes no sense anymore.
Who cares about that ?
We shareholders shouldn't.
We just expect to see bussines plan and projected numbers.
IMO.

ESFS -
Symbol Tick Last Change Bid Ask Bid x Ask Size High Low Volume
ESFS 0.115 -0.01 0.115 0.12 5000x5000 0.12 0.115 61,000

So here we are.

CAML - today again on OTCBB/L2

JLEO 5000 0.04 ARCA 500 1.48 ( ??? )

Any idea what this should mean ?

Couldn't agree more.On such news EVERY penny pink stock would rise, this one instead simply bounce between 0.12-0.15.
It seems that there are no serious buyers at all,so
it's time to attract them ASAP.
Otherwise - I have no idea left.

Worth to know.

* Authorized Shares – These shares represent the total number of shares of stock authorized when the company was created. Only a vote by the shareholders can increase this number of shares.
However, just because a company authorized a certain number of shares doesn’t mean it must issue all of them to the public. Most companies retain shares for use later called unissued stock or shares.
* Unissued Shares – Shares a company retains in its treasury and not issued to the public or to employees are unissued shares.
* Restricted Shares – Restricted shares refer to company stock used for employee incentive and compensation plans. Restricted stockowners need permission of the SEC to sell.
There is a waiting period after a company first goes public where insiders’ restricted stock is frozen. When insiders want to sell their stock, they must file a form with the SEC declaring their intention. Even insiders of established companies must file with the SEC before selling their restricted stock.
* Float Shares – Float refers to the number of shares actually available for trade on the open market. You and I can buy these shares.
* Outstanding Shares – Outstanding shares includes all the shares issued by the company, which would be the restricted shares plus the float.

Here’s a simple example with numbers to illustrate the relationship of these different shares:

* Authorized Shares – 100
* Unissued Shares – 20
* Restricted Shares – 10
* Float – 70 (100 – 20 – 10 = 70)
* Outstanding Shares – 80 (10 + 70 = 80)

Why is this Important?
Here are several key bits of information you can determine from looking at how these different share types stack up in relation to each other:

* Look at the relationship of unissued shares and restricted shares to float for where controlling interest of the company will reside. Many companies retain a large percentage of the authorized shares in their treasuries or in the hands of management through restricted shares.
Companies do this to make sure no other company can seize control in an unfriendly takeover. They may also want to have stock handy for future issue instead of using debt to buy another company or for another major expenditure.
Controlling interest held in unissued stock means outside shareholders will have little influence over the decisions of the company.
* If the float of a company is very small and the stock attracts attention of investors it can become volatile because of supply and demand imbalances.
More buyers will drive the price up, which is not a bad thing if you own the stock. However, it may make the stock over priced relative to its earnings or other fundamental measures.
Likewise, if the stock falls out of favor, sellers may have trouble unloading their shares, which would tend to force the price down further and more rapidly than fundamentals might indicate.
* Watch what restricted shareholders do. You can get this information from a variety of online sources. Here is a link to MSN Money’s insider trading search function. Just enter a stock symbol and it will return the most recent sales or planned sales by insiders or major shareholders.
Most of the time, these sales signal nothing of interest to investors. When a large number of insiders, especially in young companies, file plans to sell major blocks of stock it could signal trouble.
* Notice when reading financial ratios whether they are using float or outstanding shares in the calculation. It can make a big difference in the outcome.

Conclusion
Understanding the terms used to describe various shares will help you get a better handle on analyzing companies.

So if we do some real basic math :

Total Authorized Shares 100,000,000
Total Outstanding Shares 86,942,832
( rounded to 87 M )
Total Float 24,124,070
( rounded to 24 M )
Total Restricted 62,818,762


And what the revenues for lets say our target PPS of 1$ should
looks like ?

Here is the equation :

PPS = ( 3 x Revenues ) / shs outstanding so

Revenues = ( PPS * shs outstd ) / 3 so

Revenues = ( 1USD * 87M ) / 3 so

Revenues which gives us 1 USD PPS should be no more no less
than 29M $ in fiscal year !

Even in case if we take term RESTRICTED SHARES FOR GRANTED ! in good will
and use current float of 24M we get
Revenues = 8M $

So we're talking about some 30M $ in first and about 8M $ in
second one.
As simple as that.
When and how to reach those numbers is another question.
Or maybe not.

But as I said this is really some kind of total basically stock math.

The market sentiment is quit different story.

Year-to-date volume is some 10M shares traded,what means 838K monthly or 40K daily ( average ! )

And those 40K shares traded daily with PPS 0.15 USD represents no more no less than 6000 USD.

Maybe it's not bad at all for pinky, but far from beeing liquid and prospective in mid-long term.
Afterall PPS is on the same level as it was two years ago.

Whatever, do your own math.


Despite excellent technology,very promising list of near future customers I simply don't believe that ( with current trade volume )we'll ever see 30 or more cents in 2010.
I'm very long in this stock, as I was stockholder in CFGE
( the shell ESFS was merged into ) but after all those years slowly losing patience.
We have excellent technology,impressive list of existing and potentional customers.
Al we need to move PPS to north is "strong money" starting to flow
into it.
And this should be the main task of ESFS management in 2010.
Get as much attraction and publicity in investors community as possible.

IMO.

Agree.Here is the fact.

ESFS 0.13 1000 OTO 09:30:01

After really exciting PR, today volume is
1000 ( one thousand ) shares.

Hope it's clear what I'm talking about.

But according to e-mail from Michael which sent it to me yesterday the picture might be a little bit clearer after
posting ESFS year-end letter as he promised.

Dear xxxx,

Thank you for your letter. We will be posting a year-end letter on our website in a few days which should address your concerns. In any case, we appreciate your long-term support, and anticipate that 2010 will be a good year indeed.


Best Regards--

Michael Elliot, President
Eco-Safe Systems USA, Inc.

CAML - JLEO 5000 0.04 ARCA 2500 0.99 ( ??? )

10,9,8 ...1 - final countdown ?
Christmas gift slowly unwraping ?

Anybody current L2 ? Please post.

ESFS technology is OK.
Sales and new clients are OK.
But without hiring high profile IR company to agressivly promote ESFS nothing can be done regarding PPS.What we need is "strong money" from institutional investors,and uplisting to OTCBB as soon as possible ( in fact both of them ).Until those conditions are not met forget any trip to north for this stock.

Not to much surprising close.For sure i'ts time for ESFS to start
thinking more about promoting company into real investors community
and to hire descent IR company for do the job,rather than placing
fancy PR's ont their site on regular basis.

PPS tells everything, in front of all nancy fancy PR's.

We Ihubbers means absolutly nothing and can't do nothing about that.

So ESFS push harder and finnaly place this company into broader picture of investors community.
In opoosite we'll some more fancy nancy PR's in 2010 and PPS will be at the same level.

According to the latest informations in '09 almost 80% companies went public trough RM.So let's hope the same in '10 .

But look at the bright side.More are you waiting , less you have to wait for.Sooner or later.

Have no idea.But's it's time to be done.After 10 years.

CAML - 24K at 0.046 today.Shaky hands ?

The Company was incorporated under the laws of the State of Minnesota on January 18, 1968.

The Company has not been subject to any bankruptcy, receivership or similar proceedings.

The Company was engaged in the manufacture and sale of electronic instrumentation. The Company sold substantially all of its operating assets during the two fiscal years of 1998 and 1999 and in the fiscal year 2000 made sales of residual seismic product inventory on hand and interest income. In the fiscal years 2007 and 2008, the business was commercially inactive. In June 1998, Bison sold its seismic product lines, and in November 1998, Bison sold its Airport Runway Friction Measurement System (the “Mu-Meter”). The sales included the intellectual property and inventory of the product lines.

The Company pays a director to administer its corporate affairs and monitor residual business matters. During the year the Company paid $5,100 to this director for these services. An affiliate of Andus Inc., the majority shareholder, provides management and accounting services at no charge to the Company.

Bison has a wholly owned subsidiary, Bison International, Inc., which was incorporated in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Bison International, Inc, processed some international sales of the Company in the past, but is now inactive.

Andus Inc., a Delaware corporation, owns 67.05% of the Company. Andus Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Androcan Inc., a Canadian corporation. Androcan Inc., directly or indirectly, also owns a controlling interest in Pylon Electronics Inc. and Canbar Inc., which are involved in the manufacture and sale of various retail and industrial products. Mr. Barrie D. Rose and members of his family control Androcan Inc.

sure it's father of all bulls.ideal share structure 60M AS , 888K
OUTS, public float some 300K, clean , no law suits ...
what can you ask more for ?
Really have no idea what directors are waiting for - almost all are in mid 60's and still waiting.
with decent RM candidate this baby should pop on in no time to 5-10 USD range.
IMO.

It wouldn't be problem those $12K, just sold this shell at last for god sake.Already ten years dormant.

Anybody - how long is CDSI dormant shell ?

But maybe and just maybe if there's a decent RM candidate ( a profitable running company ) with let's say 10M USD revenues things
might turn out not so bad ( in case that there will not be an
immediate RS 1:10 or something like that ).
This in start will give us :
projected PPS = ( 3 x revenues ) /outstanding shares
what means
projected PPS = ( 3 x 10 M )/ 49M what equals to 60 cents per share
Just hypo scenario , no more no less.
Played out with PASW some two years ago with nice results.
So I believe there's still a chance.

Honest to say - after carefully reading
Section 382 again and again, it seems that this CAML huge
NOL's had simply faded out.
But however CAML is still clean shell w/o debts , law suits
etc. so there is a still hope that it might be, in future a
"good looking bride" for whoever will "married" her.
Afterall it's clean OTCBB listed shell and not some pink scam.
At least I hope so.

Here's another good explanation about NOL.Worth to be read.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/replies.aspx?msg=34614820

How to value a Shell Stock?

Major Considerations:

* Verified Shell Stock Looking For an Acquisition: It should be actively looking for a reverse merger. Verification can come from SEC reports, news releases, or verbally from company management.
* Experienced Management: Management must understand the mechanics of a reverse merger and know a good business opportunity. If management is not experienced, it is imperative they are working with an experienced consultant.
* SEC Reporting: it must report regularly to the SEC. This is known as a "reporting company." We want to be able to verify information about the company from public/legal filings, not by word of mouth or rumor. Believe it or not, there are public companies that are non-reporting.
* Clean: It has little or no debt, no pending law suites, and little or no outstanding convertible securities (preferred stock or warrants). We don't want anything that can complicate the reverse merger.
* Small Number of Outstanding Shares: The smaller the number of outstanding shares, the better. A smaller number of outstanding shares lessens the chance of a Reverse Stock Split. A Reverse Stock Split can lessen the chance of price appreciation.
* Low Market Value: This is the buy low sell high rule. A Shell Stock with a low Market Value will have a greater chance of price appreciation than one with a high Market Value. (Market Value = price X shares outstanding). Note: the Profile List by Market Value sorts the Shell Companies from low to high Market Value.
* Cash On Hand: Some Shell Companies have cash remaining from their previous business endeavors. Having cash to fund the new company's business plan will attract high quality candidates.

Minor Considerations:

* Tax Loss Carry Forward: The new company can offset future net income with the Shell Stock's Tax Loss Carry Forward.


* Exchange Listed: It is better for the Shell Stock to be listed on a stock exchange (NYSE, AMSE, NASDAQ, OTCBB). But, there are some quality Shell Companies that are trading on the Pink Sheets.

But it can be used by an US company, as far as I know.
Regardless of the new owner, ih he's domestic.
Not by Chinese,Korea etc...

If I'm wrong please correct me.

10-Q nothing new.

But one thing worth to be mentioned.

CAML has tax loss carry forward for some 30M USD.
They can be used between 2008-2023.
So almost two years are gone - it's time to go.

10 Q - seriously doubt on it to enlight anything.The real deal hidden in back has nothing to do with it ( shell transaction itself ).

And so what makes me thinking so ?

Here is original link to shellstockreview.com CAML forum

http://www.shellstockreview.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.67.13.html&post_id=706#forumpost706

Just in case you're unable to reach 'm here is the last post
from CAML subsection ( posted on 2007/3/21 )

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It's the stock price, stupid!

High-flying Danny Wettreich has shut down companies, destroyed jobs, and drawn the scrutiny of two federal agencies, But he says it's what the stock market thinks of him that counts.
By Miriam Rozen
Article Published Jan 18, 1996

Danny Wettreich, a 44-year-old native of London, England, personifies precisely what many find repugnant about American capitalism.

In the 13 years since he moved to Dallas, Wettreich has bought and shut down businesses, shuffled millions of dollars in securities, drawn suspicion from two federal agencies, and thrown people out of work.

"He's the most ruthless businessman I've ever met," says Lila Gill, a private investigator who researched Wettreich's past for Golden Triangle Royalty &Oil, a publicly traded Texas company Wettreich once threatened with a hostile takeover.

A former motorcycle-parts dealer, Wettreich now runs Camelot Corporation, a publicly traded holding company riding the Internet tidal wave. He dismisses the lawsuits, angry partners, and jobless Americans he has left behind. It's not his history of closing businesses that matters, scolds Wettreich; it's the value of shares in Camelot--today. One can sum up his credo like this: "It's the stock price, stupid!"

Full story ...
http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/1996-01-18/news/feature2_full.html

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So this might or might not tell you what is the real psyhological background of DW and who are you're dealing with .Not much time to be spared on.


And her's article about other three other shells he sold in one shot on 2007/3/21

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hree other shells owned by Danny Wettreich, the CAML shell owner, were sold today.

FCPL 0.52 x 1.25, up .20, 62.5%
On March 14, 2007, the Company entered into a Common Stock Purchase Agreement (the "Purchase Agreement") with Synergy Business Consulting, LLC (the "Forme Capital Stock Purchaser"), pursuant to which it acquired 11,824,100 shares of outstanding Common Stock of the COmpany from an existing shareholder in a private transaction for the purchase price of $550,000. The acquisition of shares by the Forme Capital Stock Purchaser pursuant to the Purchase Agreement and from the existing shareholder is collectively referred to herein as the "Purchase".
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/808047/000114420407013652/v068927_8k.txt


MLEX 0.56 x 1.00, up 565, 418%
On March 14, 2007, the Company entered into a Common Stock Purchase Agreement (the "Purchase Agreement") with Synergy Business Consulting, LLC (the "Malex Stock Purchaser"), pursuant to which it acquired 8,006,490 shares of outstanding Common Stock of the Company from two existing shareholders in a priviate transaction for the purchase price of $550,000. The acquisition of shares by the Malex Stock Purchaser pursuant to the Purchase Agreement and from the existing shareholder is collectively referred to herein as the "Purchase".
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/819926/000114420407013632/v068930_8k.txt



WNCF 0.15 x 0.30, up .04, 36.4%
On March 14, 2007, the Company entered into a Common Stock Purchase Agreement (the "Purchase Agreement") with Synergy Business Consulting, LLC (the "Wincroft Stock Purchaser"), pursuant to which it acquired 3,576,400 shares of Outstanding Common Stock of the Company from an existing shareholders in a private transaction for the purchase price of $250,000. The acquisition of shares by the Wincroft Stock Purchaser pursuant to the Purchase Agreement and from the existing shareholder is collectively referred to herein as the "Purchase".
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/726435/000114420407013636/v068928_8k.txt

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Hey are you're going to tell me that he sold his crown jewel CAML
for lousy 8800 USD ?

Look at the numbers :

FCPL sold for 550.000 USD
MLEX sold for 550.000 USD
WNCF sold for 250.000 USD

Not worth to be mentioned but those shells were far,far away from
anything comparable CAML ( share structure etc )


And now he sold his last shell CAML for pitty 8800 USD ?

Almost unbelivable.ALmost, but everything is possible.

DW is real smart guy, real smart. Too smart and too greedy to
make such a presence of charity to the new owner.

It's simple impossible.

Maybe I'm wrong , maybe I'm not but
more I'm thinking about this , more I'm becoming pretty sure
that CAML story with will be really interesning one.

Maybe the really HAPPY END like in Hoolywood movies.

Who knows ?

I don't.

Good point.I'm thinking almost in the same path.
Regarding taxes is much,much,much more affordable to sell shell for
literally two cents in exchange to get his PIECE OF CAKE in the
company which is supossed to RM into shell.
DW is a smart man , he proved this in past, so there will be no
big suprise if he already did so.
However it's just a speculation, but regarding to real value of
CAML shell , the future RM candidate should be a really fat one.
Just speculation, but knowing real tycoon nature of DW very possible one.

Right - CAML was his last shell.
Instead bang - BIG BANG or maybe SUPER BANG.

Excatly.DW is tough guy, real tycoon and it's hard to imagine that in this deal he showed such poor performance and lack off common sense.It's worth to remember that in past he flattly refused several RM candidates ( CAML ).
Some two years ago I read on one forum ( shellstockreview.com ) a
message from guy who claimed that he had a company w/ 80M assets
and 30M revenues,tried to contact DW to arrange RM with his company
but DW even didn't call him back !
So as for me this super-lousy deal is just a part of something quit bigger puzzle.
From pure psyhological point of view it's almost unbelivable that
DW suddenly turned from first class hardcore tycoon to Red cross activist.
I simply can't buy it.
However without doubt there will be very interesning end of story.
Maybe not in near future but soner or later.

RM in short term is out off question.We'll have to wait a little more than a month or two.
However the whole deal is a murky one.
Former owner spent 8 years to settled up the shell,filled reports on regular basis , two weeks before he sold it, he even managed to uplisted it to OTCBB and finally sold it for 8800 USD - with tax loss carry forward worth over 30M USD.
Really murky, but as it seems :
1) the new owner has no clear idea what to do with shell,and
there is no RM candidate in row at all
or
2) future RM might be a real killer deal off decade.
I'd prefer the second one, but lets wait and see what will hapen.
IMO.

L2 anybody ?

? last transaction was on 12/1

this would be a really nice Christmas gift ...

Hm, if RM won't be closed this month, I fear that we'll have to
wait another year.

strange,all those nice Pr's, big deals on table but PPS can't
break over 20cents.strange,at least

sorry - typo - DW HAD and not has 43.700.000 shs.