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Right..
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It's all a game, would be nice to see it played in the other direction. As you said, this trading makes no sense at all.
Not the smartest thing I've seen in a while.
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Wow, 2.5 mil buy only to get sunk...
The games needs to come to an end. Tarnishes new investor confidence. All red days for some time now, and to think someone new wants to buy into a trap...
We shouldn't have to wait on June 30th to have healthy trading. All this red, and we are supposed to be thrilled when we see a green close at +.0001 .
See you guys later, watching this at the moment sucks.
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Absolutely,
I suppose I should also mention, Frank stated if there were to be an R/S, all shares would be inclusive, including his.
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To your other question as well,
I've answered it, (post #36631) Timing. IMO
Don't get me wrong, I am ready to see my portfolio finally in the green as well, sooner the better.
For many, June 30th will be either the start of the beginning, or the beginning of the end.
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I personally do not know what the company will do.
I do know, when mentioned to Frank about an R/S , he stated only if he had to & the only way there would be an R/S is if the investment firm who's shuffling up the 60 mil thinks this is the best option.
Either way, I'll just take it like a big boy.
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Yes, Without an R/S..
There is share retirement, share buy back, an R/S is something you would want to consider of course with any trading security, but it is not the only option, it should be the last.
With those possibilities, and also the possibilities that you mentioned we have not been updated on ( Oil, B.E.A.C.O.N , employee leasing, etc) I suspect 8k's will be showing up soon. It's all about timing, and I suspect the timing is not right for the company to make our subs jump by releasing premature PR's.
He's basically said in most all PR's, "those who wait, will be rewarded," just not verbatim.
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Standard 3 seems entirely feasible.....
http://www.amex.com/israel/en/listing.jsp
Just because I had a few more minutes.
GL
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Dropping by to let those who pm'd me know I am still around, just working.
I will try not to repeat anything I have said in the past , as it still stands.
It is typical for Hedge Fund CEO's to somewhat control the pps at these levels, (although it could be better controlled) to keep the pps from rising too high, too fast (go figure). That usually spells the beginning of the end of a company. To be honest, CEO's of such organizations favor long term investors, as short term investors tend to be more volatile, and impatient. That being said, while there are opportunities in trading, those who got in WNTR with the expectation of substantial gains within a short period, are not too happy. Then to have seen .01 not sustain did not make it any better.
Although I think all the PR's are very informative, and warranted, I agree we could use some 8k's. I figure once Frank is ready for this to run, it will.
I'm not very fond of the bloodbath that's been going on here. I will say, by June 30th, the AF may not make a huge impact, but it should open up quite a large door for those who want to exit profitably.
In the meantime, thanks for keeping the dialogue going, good and bad.
Back to work..
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Not a problem. I have given you the best answer I can provide.
I suspect if they were talking 100th of a cent, it would read .0001, tenth of a cent, .0010 . The PR was pretty much in laymen terms, to me ($0.01) is a cent, but I do see the c on one PR, and I suspect that to be a happy c.( put there unintentionally by mistake.)
However if there is a $ sign in front of that .01 ($0.01) , I read it as one penny, one 100th of a dollar, but that's just me.
I have no affiliation with WNTR other than being a shareholder. I am however a financial analyst, and sift through financials daily. That being said, I am by no means perfect, however, I believe $0.01 cent per share of WNTR is feasible. I suspect the reason this is hard to believe is because of where the pps of WNTR is now.
Sure, the pps of WNTR is currently under $0.01 , The projected spin off is only to be initiated around June 30.
There are about 30 trading days left between now and then. I highly doubt, (but could be wrong) that WNTR's pps will be under $0.01 during that time.
I agree, discrepancies as such can cause confusions, and should be addressed to those who are unsure. As trading in the subs , the smallest detail should be precise.
As you mentioned, 1 cent per 1 share of WNTR sounds too good to be true. I would suspect that is why you are a WNTR long, because, most of the PR's that have been released are.....too good to be true.
Going with that ideology , I will assume the pps of WNTR will be above 1 cent by 6/30, and there will be a 1 cent divy per share of WNTR. Could be wrong, but could be right.
It would be a waste of time asking members on this board what they think , only to rebut their opinions, and have the same question remain that, for you, can only be satisfied by one person.
I'd say if that is of high concern, (which is great), please send Frank an email, or call him as I have and ask him. He will be the only one who can satisfy your inquiry. It clearly is not insider information as it has been PR'd. Just let him know you would like clarification of the discrepancy, so you may sleep a little better.
(You may want to let him enjoy this holiday weekend with his family, and initiate dialogue maybe Monday night/Tues morn.)
He is pretty good at addressing shareholders concerns.
Ultimately, I hope it is , for you, whatever you would like it to be.
Good luck with all your investments, thanks for your post & have a great holiday wknd.
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This message is for WNTR longs...
Although I suspect longs, shorts, & defamers alike will read...
Leaving you with a logical quote from Warren Buffett:
"With a wonderful business, you can figure out what will happen; you can't figure out when it will happen. You don't want to focus on when, you want to focus on what. If you're right about what, you don't have to worry about when"
In hindsight I would say, if you are confident in yourself to make good investment decisions, and you are invested in WNTR long, then "If you're right about what......."
You get it.
Sleep easy my friends.
As for myself, I'm confident.
Happy Memorial Day Weekend.
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The Divy will be .01 cent per share of WNTR.
Ex:
100k shares of WNTR = 100k x .01 cent of GF shares ($1k worth of shares.)
1mm shares of WNTR = 1mm x .01 cent of GF shares ($10k worth of shares)
etc.
Hope this addresses your concerns.
Have a great weekend.
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Speculation, Confidence, & Optimism.
I appreciate that, I hope so as well.
& Thank you for posting your insight, I agree, this could be a very rare find.
GL & have a great weekend.
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IMO, we are reading the same book.
I have said all along anything is possible in OTC, but this is likely the probability, and is the way a seasoned CEO would go if all is validated.
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LOL, That's the general consensus of longs here I'm sure.
One day, soon I hope, all news will send us north instead of south.
One day, we will get the big one.
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We all certainly hope so...
Have a great holiday wknd.
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The company also announced that it intends to complete an initial $10,000,000 in financing, with its underwriter, by the end of the second quarter on June 30, 2014.
Cheers to that..
Have a great wknd.
WNTR
04/03/14 .....
I have no defense if I could validate what you are saying, but I, for some reason can not verify your claim.
Mind posting a link?
Here is the PR on the date you listed- 4/3/14
WORLDWIDE PROVIDES SHAREHOLDER UPDATE ON SOLAR PROJECT
Apr 03, 2014
OTC Disclosure & News Service
Williamsburg, VA -
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 3, 2014
WORLDWIDE PROVIDES SHAREHOLDER UPDATE ON SOLAR PROJECT
NEW YORK NEW YORK, April 3, 2014 ? Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR) announced today a shareholder update on its portfolio company Pamlico Energy Park, LLC.
Pamlico Energy Park LLC (?Pamlico?) has received is approval from the North Carolina Utilities Commission for the initial stage of 1 MW of the 5MW project. Pamlico has also completed the initial lease of the 30 acre property, for the 5MW project, for 15 years with an option to extend an additional 30 years. Pamlico is also in discussions with third parties to lease up to an additional 70 acres to provide the land required to build up to 20MW in solar projects.
Pamlico has engaged Pike Energy for engineering and procurement services. Pike Energy is one of the largest providers of energy solutions in the United States. It is also currently finalizing the terms of the Power Purchase Agreement with Dominion Resources. Dominion Resources announced this week the purchase of 139MW of solar projects.
The financing of the project is through the Federal Investment Tax Credit for 30% of the project costs, the North Carolina Tax Credit for 35% of the project cost, in addition to depreciation and the sale of Renewable Energy Credits. The total 20 MW project when completed will be $40m.
The company also announced that it intends to complete an initial $10,000,000 in financing, with its underwriter, by the end of the second quarter on June 30, 2014. This would include have the audited financials completed for the transaction.
Frank Kristan, President of Worldwide Internet, Inc. stated that:
"We are very pleased with our investment in the renewable energy industry. The strong partners we have on this project will provide dividends for our shareholders and increase our asset base.?
About Worldwide Internet, Inc.
Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC: WNTR) (www.worldwideinternetinc.com). The company is now focused on making acquisitions of business operations and investments to create a diversified holding company.
FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS:
This press release may contain "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements other than statements of historical facts included in this press release may constitute forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described from time to time in filings with the OTC Markets and. undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statement made herein. All forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this press release.
Contact:
Frank Kristan
frankkristan@worldwideinternetinc.com
Phone/Fax: (206) 984-3470
Copyright © 2014 OTC Markets. All Rights Reserved
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/WORLDWIDE-PROVIDES-SHAREHOLDER-UPDATE-ON-SOLAR-PROJECT?id=78535&b=y
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Yessir,
Yea, things like this will happen between now and then unfortunately. I do think it will get better along the way before then though.
They love bleeding this stock.
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It's up there..
The more we churn, the higher we run. (IMO)
WNTR
Gotta love the stock police .
They pay us a visit everyday to look out for us. We really appreciate it.
When they are able to combat whats below, maybe we will take them seriously:
LUDVIK HOLDINGS INC. WNTR DD COMPLETE RUNDOWN
Updated and corrected version: By: HH (1/18/14)
Here is my DD, and Why I think this stock is bound for a run to .50 cents or more. Lets start from the beginning. Read all, but pay attention to the bold pieces and underlined text. This is me following the assets and history of Frank Kristan by looking through all the SEC filings I could find, and also piecing together information I gathered from my own digging, and conversations/emails with Frank Kristan.
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Frank Kristan BIO:
Frank Kristan, Vice President of Business Development Frank is the President of Ludvik Holdings, Inc., a Delaware company specializing in venture capital, asset management and advisory services. He was the President and CEO of Patriot Advisors, Inc. which provides investment advisory services to investment funds, corporations and individuals. Patriot has also managed funds for private companies, delivering an internal rate of return exceeding 25% per annum during this interim of 1994 to 2004. Frank completed his work with the funds, total assets under management exceeding $50 million. Patriot also performed on guarantees to deliver financing exceeding $50 million.
Previously, he was Principal and CEO of Kristan Associates, a financial consulting concern furnishing financial advisory services to the telecommunications and financial services sectors. He began his career at Affiliated Computer Systems at which he provided computer and operational advisory services to banking and financial services institutions for merger and acquisition transactions. His Bachelor of Science in Mathematics was acquired from the University of Western Australia.
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(OK, So something happened in 2007 where Patriot fell apart, and Frank accused one of the trustees of stealing from the company, a big lawsuit happened, and Patriot Advisors was dissolved. Frank received a civil judgement against him, but it was not criminal, then Frank purchases the remaining assets of Patriot Advisors and forms Ludvik Capital inc. The main gain for Ludvik was that Patriot Fund L.P. had a loan for more than 7.6 million dollars- to Unitech Industries Inc. http://www.unitechindustriesinc.com/about
This was what frank was salvaging. by buying the remaining assets of Patriot Fund L.P.
(ABOUT LUDVIK HOLDINGS:
makes active or passive investments in common and preferred stock and warrants or rights to acquire equity interests; in addition to senior and subordinated loans; or convertible securities. Ludvik Holdings is the lead investor for transactions, as well as a co-investor in companies along with other private equity sponsors.)
According to my research in the filings. This money is constantly earning interest. Notes receivable is an asset of a company, bank or other organization that holds a written promissory note from another party.)
SO FRANK PURCHASED WHAT WAS LEFT OF PATRIOT ADVISORS INC and the creditors no longer had a strangle hold on his company. SO HE FORMED LUDVIK CAPITAL INC. in an AGREEMENT WITH US BANKRUPTCY COURT. HE PAID 1.00 PER SHARE FOR 20 MILLION SHARES, ALONG WITH 23 OTHER INVESTORS IN ORDER TO RETAIN THE REMAINING ASSETS OF PATRIOT ADVISORS. "Ludvik Nominees Pty Ltd" was Frank's main interest in the company.
On January 25, 2007 the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Maine, in Case No. 04-20328, entered an order confirming the agreement with the Debtor, whereby the Debtor (Frank) will purchase the stock of Patriot Advisors, Inc and merge the company with Ludvik Capital, Inc, whereby the surviving corporation will be the registrant, Ludvik Capital, Inc.
On February 7, 2007 the order became effective and a copy is attached here to as Exhibit 99.1. A copy of the Debtor’s Disclosure Statement, including a copy of the agreement, has been previously filed by the company.
Pursuant to the agreement shares of the Company’s Common Stock were issued to the certain creditors who had accepted the offer at $1.00 per share and shareholders who had participated in the plan with the agreement of the debtor under the plan in exchange for a claim against, an interest in, or a claim for an administrative expense in the case concerning, the debtor or such affiliate, or principally in such exchange and partly for cash or property.
As a result of the election of certain creditors and proponents of the plan and agreement, as of March 20, 2007, there are 20,000,000 shares of the Company’s common stock issued and outstanding. Ludvik Nominees Pty Ltd is a shareholder of record of 14,968,200 restricted securities and there are an additional 23 shareholders of record for 5,031,800 shares of common stock.
(so at the end of the Bankruptcy case, Franks Ludvik Nominees Pty Ltd owns 14,968,200.00 dollars worth of stock. AND THE CREDITORS AGREED THAT THE PURCHASE PRICE OF 1.00 PER SHARE WAS ACCEPTABLE SO WE CAN ASSUME THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS WORTH MINIMALLY)
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=5055009
Frank Kristan started the stock LDVK in 2006. Preparing for his first chance at making his own public stock offering since Patriot had failed, BUT Decided it was not plausible at the time to make his public offering due to funding issues, and he resigned as ceo and sold the shell to Ike Sutton of SAVW. (don't let people tell you Frank Kristan was involved with Ike Sutton or SAVW because he wasn't. He told me explicitly he sold his stock shell to him and the day after he sold it he had no involvement, also because the time wasn't right to bring Ludvik Public because of funding. He had nothing to do with SAVW after resigning as CEO.)
From old LDVK filing:
The Company was originally incorporated on October 20, 2006 under the name of Ludvik Capital, Inc. In 2010, our name was changes to SavWatt USA, Inc.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=7535224
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SECTION 8 - OTHER EVENTS
(This is where Frank took all assets with him and merged them into Ludvik Holdings Inc.)
Item 8.01 – Other Events
On March 30 th , 2010, the Company formed Ludvik Holdings, Inc as a special purpose entity to effect a business combination that will result in a restructuring of the company’s assets and liabilities for the period ended March 31 st , 2010.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=7171790
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Section 5-
(Frank's resignation from the ticker LDVK in Mar. 2010)
Corporate Governance and Management
Item 5.02
Departure of Directors and Certain Officers; Election of Directors; Appointment of Certain Officers; Compensatory Arrangements of Certain Officers
Effective March 31, 2010, the Company accepted the resignation of Frank Kristan as President and as a director.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=7297419
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OK, SO FRANK IS OUT OF THE PUBLIC MARKET AS OF MAR. 31, 2010. The LDVK ticker was renamed SAVW, and Frank was no longer affiliated with that stock. Now Ludvik remains a private company for 3 years.
FAST FORWARD TO 2013.
Frank kept Ludvik Private until he saw an opportunity to merge with WNTR. The Company "Worldwide Internet Inc." had a business plan to bring to market a patent pending technology involving hardware for cell phone towers, along with applications:
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SO, FRANK, wants to go public, and execute his plan that he was trying to accomplish 3 years ago... contacts Ken Bland, CEO of WNTR. and on March 31'st 2013 he writes a letter of intent to MERGE LUDVIK HOLDINGS INC. with WORLDWIDE INTERNET
The purchase price of Ludviks merger to WNTR was $21,062,587
So in exchange to add value to WNTR by merger, Ludvik received
154,125,870 shares of common stock AT .10 CENTS A PEICE.
WHICH COMES OUT TO $15,412,587 MILLION DOLLARS.
250,000 Series A preferred shares Valued at 20$ a peice.
(5 million)
Then also $650,000 in cash PAID TO LUDVIK.
(Ludvik had $325,000 in liabilities which was paid off in this transaction.)
All of this totals the purchase price of $21,062,587
So these shares are actually the value of Ludvik Holdings company in the form of shares. If Frank sells any of those 154 million shares, he is selling a percentage of his company. These 154,125,870 million shares represent actual ownership in Ludvik Holdings INC. If Frank were to sell these shares, he would literally be selling his assets and interest in Ludvik Holdings INC. THIS IS WHY, FRANK WILL NOT SELL THESE SHARES FOR LESS THAN .10 CENTS, and also note they are common shares, so imo. he will NOT reverse split this stock, so the more Frank dilutes the less value those shares are worth, but if Frank keeps on adding value to the stock (I.E. The recent acquisition of 5 million dollar property and energy deal. http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/Worldwide-Completes-Five-Million-Dollar-Acquisition?id=74514&b=y)
THEN you can respect the rate of dilution and his shares will maintain or increase in value. and in my last correspondence email on January 13th 2013 with Frank he was quoted saying this:
"Since, we began this process, the three major shareholders, totaling more than 350m shares, including Ludvik Holdings for approximately 150m shares, have not sold a share of their holdings."
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=95894477
So there are 3 insiders including Ludvik Holdings that are holding 354 million shares and none of those 3 inside holdings have sold a single share.
Float: 101 million
Outstanding: 618 million
618 - 354 - 101 = 163 million shares left for him to dilute without increasing the outstanding share count.
Now Frank has been honest about the float increase.
From August to January 6 the float has increased from 66 million to 101 million. Everytime someone emails him to update the float, he will. He has done this 3 times recently for us Since September. I even remember the days. Oct.28 Nov 26. and last updated Jan6. So the float is usually updated once every month.
The float is still relatively small for a pennystock toting 28 million in assets and ZERO DEBT
Dilution hurts Franks holdings. Keep that in mind.
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(OK SO BACK TO THE PATENT)
Our Patent pending technology could be the "Ace up the sleeve" with this stock. and let me explain why. This info is from the WNTR filings.
Details of Tech from the WNTR FILINGs:
(You see when Frank merged ludvik with WNTR he got a company that already had a "proprietary technology" in Worldwide Internet Inc.)
"We have designed a proprietary cell broadcast/cell information technology product suite. This technology is commonly known as a short message service via cell broadcast (SMCB) for point to multipoint distribution of emergency and commercial messages simultaneously to multiple network subscribers. This type of communication process is commonly referred to as “cbp2mp”. Our cbp2mp service is initiated by our proprietary cbp2mp broadcast controller which will be installed in cellular networks of wireless carriers. Our controller transmits data to cell phones
on the network which have our proprietary application (App) when within range of the towers. Our proprietary product suit
e includes the cbp2mp controller, the App for free download by cell phone subscribers and software which enables the network
personnel to initiate the point to multipoint broadcast, including linkage to emergency broadcast systems. The controller,
App and software comprise our cbp2mp system. We plan to offer our cbp2mp proprietary product suite to wireless carriers, agencies, and municipalities for no up front charge, and bill the client a
monthly service fee with a component based on number of broadcast transmissions. We believe our cbp2mp system and billing
structure will be very attractive to rural cellular carriers and other providers of wireless broadband to communities throughout the United States. Our competitors include other wireless companies like Alcatel-Lucent and Motorola.
We believe our competitive advantage will be our monthly billing structure with no up-front cost, as compared to the up-front purchase of equipment presently required by our competitors.
We expect to contract the manufacture of our cbp2mp controller and related hardware. We will be able to provide the App and software components our cbp2mp system to our clients in several formats, including CD-ROM/flash drive and download.
The App will be downloadable by network subscribers wirelessly from their network providers. We believe there are numerous, competitive manufacturers suitable to build our cbp2mp controller and related hardware and that raw materials and component parts are readily available from many sources at competitive prices inthe marketplace.
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"TTT Investment Trust owns 100,000,000 shares of our common stock, or 20.84 percent. Its address is 5825 Vineyard Lane, McKinney, Texas75070. We believe it is controlled by Wade Clark"
Who is Wade Clark ?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/wade-clark/16/206/114
http://www.intelius.com/Find-Phone-Address/Tulsa-OK/Wade-Clark.html
Senior Director of Business Development
Motorola Solutions
August 2012 – Present (1 year 4 months)Dallas/Fort Worth Area
• Responsible for creating the go-to-market strategy targeting CIO’s across North America making cities smarter, safer, and more sustainable.
• Responsible for establishing Motorola Solutions as the thought leader and preferred vendor for solutions specifically focused on creating smart communities that enrich the daily lives of their citizens, provide economic development, and modernization of public services.
Here he is August 27th on Facebook recently at a conference discussing cost benefits, network anaylsis, and public safety strategies with new implemented technologies for cell providers.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=690361884326284&set=a.150491514979993.25342.134795553216256&type=1&theater
(So this conference Wade Clark was at, was an annual state sponsored government funding conference where states come in and bid on technologies and cut deals with companies in order to upgrade their security. National Association of State Technology Directors: learn more about NASTD at www.nastd.org.
( Now do you think Wade Clark can help get this WNTR tech to the market by knowing all these connections and going to these conferences? I think he can.
Do you think Wade Clark has a very high personal interest in bringing this tech to the market considering he owns 100,000,000 shares of WNTR? How much do you believe a tech like this is worth? at .01 cent Wade clarks shares are worth only 1 million dollars. Here is the press release stating how much they believe they can get out of this tech for the first three years after manufacture and distribution)
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September Press release from Frank:
News release in SEPT 2013:
WORLDWIDE TO FURTHER DEVELOP CELL BROADCAST BUSINESS
Evaluating Cell Tower Business Opportunities
WILLIAMSBURG, VA, SEPTEMBER 3, 2013 - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC: WNTR) announced today that it will be further developing its cell broadcast business and currently evaluating opportunities that could provide more than $200m in revenues in the next three years. The revenues are expected to come from providing services to cell tower operators in partnership with other telecommunication companies.
Frank Kristan, President of Worldwide Internet, Inc stated that:
"We are excited about the opportunities to further develop the cell broadcast technology with our potential new partners.
(They already have a partner in mind imo.)
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(Merger Conditions)
Ok, So now the final condition of the Merger of Ludvik and Worldwide Internet is that the remainding debt in Worldwide internet is paid off. On January 7th Frank releases a press release Shareholder Update that states:
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Worldwide CEO Releases Shareholder Update
NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwired - Jan 7, 2014) - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR), a company focused on making investments to diversify its business operations and holdings, released the following update for shareholders from its President and Chief Executive Officer for the period ending December 31, 2013.
Dear Shareholders,
We are pleased to announce the following accomplishments for the company for the year ending December 31, 2013
The company has satisfied US $995,013 in indebtedness to affiliates by assignment to third parties for the retirement of the debt.
We are currently working to align Worldwide with a full-service investment bank that has the relationships and experience to help guide us to a listing on NASDAQ or AMEX in 2014. This would include a commitment for at least $30 million dollars to finance the planned acquisitions in 2014. The finalization of this relationship will be essential to our efforts of reaching a more expansive investment community and gaining institutional support for our securities.
There have been four announced transactions completed by the company to acquire more than $23 million in assets for the year ending December 31, 2013.
The company is committed to continue to develop its proprietary technology with significant telecommunication and software partners.
The company is currently negotiating transactions that will provide for more than $100 million in revenue, with at least $5m in EBITDA, for 2014. This includes partnering on the lease of its oil and gas properties in addition to the employee leasing acquisition.
The company intends to make distribution of some of its interest in its portfolio companies as dividends to shareholders in 2014.
I would like to thank our investors and shareholders for their patience as we build a foundation that will help to ensure our long term and sustained success.
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OK SO NOW THE DEBT IS SATISFIED,
THE MERGER OF WNTR AND Ludvik Holdings INC
IS OFFICIAL AS OF JAN 7. 2014
Now the value is there in the ticker.
Take shareholders equity and divide by outstanding share count and you have:
CURRENT BOOK VALUE FOR WNTR
Shares Outstanding 618,832,045 a/o Jan 06, 2014
$17,417,787/618,832,045 = Q3 Book Value of .0281
(AND THAT IS WITH SHAREHOLDER EQUITY AT $17,417,787 WHICH IS ON THE Q3 FILING)
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NOW THE COMPANY IS DEBT FREE WITH 23 MILLION IN SHAREHOLDER EQUITY*** This SHOULD reflect on the Q4/Annual Report
Shareholders Equity = 23,000,000
Shares Outstanding 618,832,045
23,000,000/618,832,045 = .037 Book Value
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Just Recently He adds a 5 million Dollars in ASSETS with the Series C preferred shares he uses acquire the recent property in the joint venture with AERA ENERGY.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/Worldwide-Completes-Five-Million-Dollar-Acquisition?id=74514&b=y
Ever Heard of Aera Energy?
Aera Energy LLC (Aera) is a natural gas, oil exploration and production company jointly owned by Shell and ExxonMobil headquartered in Bakersfield, California. In addition, Aera Energy LLC is a California limited liability company, and one of California’s largest oil and natural gas producers, with an approximate 2012 revenues of over $5.3 billion.
http://www.aeraenergy.com/
So now the Quarter 1 should reflect at least 28 million in ASSETS and ZERO DEBT.
NOW, A Projected Q1 Book Value of .045
"The acquisition was completed in exchange for one million shares of the $5.00 par value Worldwide Series C Preferred shares"
(We will Get back to the Preferred Shares in a minute.)
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The day that the 5 million dollar acquisition Pr came out. We discover an interview with the CEO making comments on the days news and about the potential of Ludvik Holdings Energy portfolio.
http://www1.snl.com/Interactivex/article.aspx?CdId=A-26505856-11820
Technology company Worldwide Internet Inc. said it is evaluating opportunities to purchase up to $10 million in natural gas properties in the prolific Marcellus Shale. (There is an option in the land agreement to go in with an addition 5 mil.)
The company's interest in the Marcellus may appear to be a bit of a mismatch, but Worldwide Internet President Frank Kristan told SNL Energy that his company has already been quite active in the energy space.
"We've been investing in energy projects for the last 10 years, and that includes oil, gas, wind and solar," Kristan said.
The company leases property near Bakersfield, Calif., to Aera Energy, a joint venture between Royal Dutch Shell and Exxon Mobil, he said. Worldwide is also working on a project in the Gulf of Mexico that will be leased to Pemex and a project with First Australia Resources, Kristan said.
"We look to take a minority position and partner with other companies on a project," Kristan said of Worldwide's role in energy acquisitions.
A key piece of the reasoning behind Worldwide's energy investments is a shift in the company's plans. "We are changing our business model to become a diversified holding company," Kristan said, adding that the company is looking at further development opportunities in other shale plays.
"We see opportunity to generate returns as gas prices increase, even if the industry has matured in the last few years," Kristan said.
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Did he just say Gulf of Mexico Project with PEMEX?
PEMEX http://www.pemex.com/Paginas/default.aspx#.UtsWjLQo6po
Petróleos Mexicanos (trademarked and better known as Pemex, Spanish pronunciation: ['pemeks]), which translates to Mexican Petroleum, is the Mexican state-owned petroleum company, created in 1938 by nationalized petroleum and the expunging of all private foreign and domestic companies at that time. Pemex has a total asset worth of $415.75 billion, and is the world's second largest non-publicly listed company by total market value,[2] and Latin America's second largest enterprise by annual revenue as of 2009, surpassed only by Petrobras
And First Australia Resources
FAR Limited (FAR) is an independent Australian Securities Exchange listed (ASX: FAR) oil and gas explorer with high impact assets in West and East Africa. The Company has a robust balance sheet to progress its assets, an experienced Board, and management with strong relationships in Africa. FAR is dedicated to being a leading African focussed exploration company.
http://www.far.com.au/about-far/
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Are we starting to understand now? Frank is adding ASSETS to the book value of the stock by purchasing investmentswith the SERIES C preferred shares. THIS IS WHAT TRUE HOLDINGS COMPANIES DO. BUILD A DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIO!!!
About Ludvik Holdings INC:
Ludvik Holdings has investments in public and private companies. It provides long-term equity and debt investment capital to fund growth, acquisitions and recapitalizations of small and middle-market companies in a variety of industries primarily located in the U.S. It makes active or passive investments in common and preferred stock and warrants or rights to acquire equity interests; in addition to senior and subordinated loans; or convertible securities. Ludvik Holdings is the lead investor for transactions, as well as a co-investor in companies along with other private equity sponsors.
This is how the share price will begin to build EVEN if he dilutes more into the float.
REMEMBER, BOOK VALUE is based on the SHAREHOLDERS EQUITY divided by the outstanding share count., not the float.
The shareholder’s equity is essentially the amount of money the company is worth when you take into account all its assets and liabilities. For that reason, this figure is also commonly called a company’s net worth. It’s what would remain if the company in which you’re invested was to sell off everything it owns and pay off everything it owes. Since the investors own small pieces of the company, the remaining balance is what would then be distributed among the shareholders. -
If Frank Dilutes more than the outstanding share count, then essentially he is diluting the VALUE of his investments because people can buy percentages of the public float within the outstanding share count.
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(Now here is the kicker.)
The conversion price of the Series C preferred shares is .50 cents
Quote from Frank Email:
"We are focused on doing our acquisitions with WNTR Series C Preferred with a stated value of $5.
The shares are convertible at 10 to 1 but not for at least 6 months and effectively they would only convert at above 50 cents per share or else the holder would have a loss.
So effectively for every $5m in assets could dilute approximately 10m shares at value of $.50c per share.
There is also the possibility for the company to list the preferred shares separately to raise additional investment capital on the same terms to minimize dilution."
(a regulation D offering)
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QUOTE from WNTR press release:
"The company has authorized 45,000,000 shares of Series C Preferred, with a stated value of $5.00 per shares to provide for up to $225 million in acquisitions with minimum dilution to shareholders. "
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So now. We know the Share price must make it to .50 cents.
Now there are only two ways to get to .50 cents from here.
A. Frank executes the business plan. Acquisitions are finalized, Quarterly results show millions in assets and revenue, the institutional bank lets Frank borrow the 30 million, and he closes the big deals, and share price gets pumped up to .50 cents and institutional investors come in and support the price as the stock is sent to the nasdaq.
or
B. Frank dilutes for months and months and nothing ever materializes, diluting all of the companies holdings along the way. He and Wade clark sell all their shares. and eventually he reverse splits the stock. All common shares are divided, and his preferred share still need to liquidate higher than .50 cents. But there is now no liquidity in the market after a reverse split and all shareholders now hate him and noone wants to invest anymore.
You have to ask yourself which scenario is more likely.And considering the rate of dilution that we have seen and the float still being around 100 million, and the merger with Ludvik completed, debt free company etc... I think option A seems more likely. If he reverse split the stock and never got institutional support, there will be no way he can convert over 8 million in preferred shares at .50 cents, b/c noone would buy the shares, and also the company is indebted to the preferred shareholders still.
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This was the latest letter of intent Frank released:
NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwired - Dec 5, 2013) - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR) announced today that it has entered into a Letter of Intent to acquire an employee leasing company to be based in the United States and Europe. The company's revenues for 2014 will be in excess of $100m and provide earnings of least $5m in 2014.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/Worldwide-to-Acquire-Employee-Leasing-Company?id=72640&b=y
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Here is a list of other companies Frank has acquired ALREADY IN 2013 with a total of 660,000 preferred shares.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/WORLDWIDE-ACQUIRES-INTEREST-IN-TEXT-MESSAGING-COMPANY?id=73443&b=y
(30,000 x 5.00 = 180,000 dollar interest/stake in the company)
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/WORLDWIDE-ACQUIRES-INTEREST-IN-MEDICAL-DEVICE-COMPANY?id=73290&b=y
(30,000 x 5.00 = 180,000 dollar interest/stake in the company)
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/WORLDWIDE-INTERNET-ACQUIRES-WORLD-CAPITAL-LEASING-PORTFOLIO?id=66570&b=y
(600,000 x 5.00 = 3 million dollar Portfolio of leases)
+ The 1 million Series C preferred for the 5 million dollar property.
Total Series C preferred shares outstanding: 45 million
Series C Preferred shares issued: 1.66 million
Series C Preferred shares Stated Value: $ 5.00
Series C Preferred share Conversion Rate: $ .50 cents
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Frank is building ASSETS onto the balance sheet in a diversified holdings company miniature HEDGE FUND. IMO This hedge fund that is WNTR mixes assets, with notes receivable, with real estate, energy investments, and other investments.
Those preferred shareholders will never get paid off until the share price reaches ATLEAST .50 cents.
Frank will never get his full Value of the 154 million shares of WNTR that Ludvik Holdings Inc. owns until the share price reaches .10 cents.
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We are currently working to align Worldwide with a full-service investment bank that has the relationships and experience to help guide us to a listing on NASDAQ or AMEX in 2014. This would include a commitment for at least $30 million dollars to finance the planned acquisitions in 2014. The finalization of this relationship will be essential to our efforts of reaching a more expansive investment community and gaining institutional support for our securities.
There have been four announced transactions completed by the company to acquire more than $23 million in assets for the year ending December 31, 2013.
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So now the countdown begins. The preferred shares go LIVE in 6 months from now.
The company is currently negotiating transactions that will provide for more than $100 million in revenue, with at least $5m in EBITDA, for 2014. This includes partnering on the lease of its oil and gas properties in addition to the employee leasing acquisition.
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WILLIAMSBURG, VA, SEPTEMBER 6, 2013 - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC: WNTR) announced today it is developing its oil and gas business and is currently evaluating opportunities that could provide more than $100m in revenues from the financing of operating rigs in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Worldwide Internet to Acquire Solar Project
PLEASSSEEEE CLICK THIS LINK HERE:
http://www.cleanenergypipeline.com/download/CleanEnergyPipelineWeeklyReview291234413.pdf
Would a Scam company be featured in CleanEnergypipeline.com ?
No way.
(Marketwired - Oct 24, 2013) - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR) announced today that it will be acquiring an interest in Pamlico Energy Park from Ludvik Holdings, Inc.
The Pamlico Energy Park is based in Camden County, North Carolina. It is developing up to Five MegaWatt (5MW) of Solar Power. The $10 million project will be 30% financed by Federal Government Credits, 35% financed by North Carolina State Credits and the balance from a twenty five year power purchase agreement from an A rated energy company.
The project is to be managed by one of the largest providers of energy solutions in the United States. They will provide the turn-key engineering, procurement and construction services for the project. The project will provide a significant asset and cash flow for shareholders for the next twenty five years commencing in 2014.
Frank Kristan, President of Worldwide Internet, Inc.?stated that:
"This acquisition will provide assets and cash flow for shareholder distributions. We continue to make progress on the transition to a diversified holding company. This continues on the path of our overall strategy to increase shareholder value and provide for distributions to shareholders."
The word on the street is that Dominion Power (D: NYSE)
will be managing this project. There is also an A rated energy company with a power purchase agreement in place, should financing be completed, and IMO it already is. We are just waiting on the Construction to begin, and a PR from Frank.
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So there you have it.
Ludvik Holdings Inc. a diversified Holdings Company with REAL ASSETS. REAL REVENUES. ZERO DEBT. and DIVIDENDS.
Go Long on WNTR.
When you are buying at the last closing price of .0044, you are buying with a market value of $2,722,861 a/o Jan 17, 2014
The company has a possible 28 million assets, and ZERO DEBT, starting for Quarter 1 of this year, and possibility of adding 100 million or more in revenue for and 5 million EBITA by the end of 2014.
In the context of securities, market value is often different from book value because the market takes into account future growth potential. Most investors who use fundamental analysis to pick stocks look at a company's market value and then determine whether or not the market value is adequate or if it's undervalued in comparison to it's book value, net assets or some other measure.
This is why WNTR is severely undervalued right now at the current share price.
Go long on WNTR. Let things develop. Wait for the financials.
We are currently working to align Worldwide with a full-service investment bank that has the relationships and experience to help guide us to a listing on NASDAQ or AMEX in 2014. This would include a commitment for at least $30 million dollars to finance the planned acquisitions in 2014. The finalization of this relationship will be essential to our efforts of reaching a more expansive investment community and gaining institutional support for our securities.
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DISCLAIMER: THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL DD. DO YOUR OWN AND MAKE YOUR OWN INVESTMENT DECISIONS. I HAVE MADE MINE. I AM LONG ON WNTR.
I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANYONE OF THE COMPANY, ANY NEWS SITE, PUMP SQUAD, INSIDERS, OR GROUP OF MANIPULATORS.
I DID THIS RESEARCH FOR MY OWN BENEFIT TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT I OWN.
GO LONG ON WNTR IMO.
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Recent updates : As of 5/20/2014 -Melly Mell
NEW YORK, NY-(Marketwired - May 2, 2014) - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR) (PINKSHEETS: WNTR) (the "Company") announced today that it is evaluating opportunities to invest in companies that are involved in the media and entertainment industry.
The Company will focus on traditional & non-traditional media and entertainment. It is looking to build a portfolio of diversified holdings with an investment team that has operating and investment experience in a broad range of media businesses including radio, television, tower industry, event marketing, concert entertainment, licensing and intellectual property companies, digital media and related software. The Company already owns digital rights management software.
The company will look for investment opportunities that possess strong market positions and management teams with a shareholder value approach. There would be potential for superior equity values through growth and consolidation. We are looking to build assets that offer downside protection from the loss of invested capital.
Frank Kristan, President of Worldwide Internet, Inc. stated that:
"We continue to look for investments that will diversify our portfolio. The media and entertainment industry provides a number of opportunities to add to our diversified portfolio."
The company also announced that it is working with Eteligis (www.eteligis.com) to develop a new website and web presence including social media.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/Worldwide-Evaluating-Media-and-Entertainment-Opportunities?id=79989&b=y
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Worldwide Signs Letter of Intent With Elevated Acres
Company Completes Land Acquisition
NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwired - May 6, 2014) - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR) (PINKSHEETS: WNTR) ("Worldwide") announced today that it has signed a Letter of Intent with Elevated Acres LLC, based in Colorado, as a potential partner in The Green Fund (www.thegreenfund.us).
The letter of intent will provide for financing for Elevated Acres of at least one million dollars subject to the terms and conditions of additional agreements, with due diligence to be completed on or before May 31, 2014. The agreements would be subject to a legal opinion that the transactions comply with federal laws and the laws of the State of Colorado.
The land will have greenhouses that will be constructed with steel frames and a polycarbonate covering. These state of the art houses will be fully climate controlled, making it possible to operate year round. They will have separate areas to allow for different growing methods as well as supporting all phases of plant growth. The facilities will provide significant advantages to keep production costs low while still being able to reach the highest quality.
The project partners have completed the acquisition of 37 acres in the State of Colorado that will be leased for growing and production of the plants. The company is currently working with the local planning and zoning committees to get approval for the intended use of property. They are also having projected water usage totals calculated for the process of getting a commercial well approved. The company is working with engineering companies to design and construct the driveway and highway access to the property.
Derek Smith, Principal of Elevated Acres LLC, stated that:
"I am excited to break ground on the property and move this project along."
About Elevated Acres, LLC
Elevated Acres is a collective of master gardeners and business-minded individuals targeting to be the premier legal cultivator of wholesale marijuana in the state of Colorado. The members of this collective see a huge business opportunity in this booming industry and want to use the power of the sun and green houses to produce product year -- round for marijuana dispensaries in the state.
About The Green Fund
The Green Fund (www.thegreenfund.us) is a comprehensive group of qualified Small Cap Public Companies in the Emerging Hemp and Medical Marijuana Sectors that strives to bring up to date Actionable Investment Intelligence on the pulse of these rapidly growing industries.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/Worldwide-Signs-Letter-of-Intent-With-Elevated-Acres?id=80148&b=y
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Worldwide CEO Releases Shareholder Update
NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwired - May 9, 2014) - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR) (PINKSHEETS: WNTR), a company focused on making investments to diversify its business operations and holdings, released the following update for shareholders:
Green Company Holdings, Inc. is currently negotiating the terms of a $10,000,000 investment for The Green Fund (www.greenfund.us) and is expected to close by the end of the second quarter. It is also working on listing The Green Fund on a public exchange.
E3 Services and Solutions, Inc. (www.e3space.com) has commenced funding of a $3,000,000 commitment to further develop its business model that will lead to a possible listing later this year.
I-Texts, Inc. (www.i-texts.com) has commenced its nationwide advertising campaign including sponsorship from Nike Basketball 3 on 3 (www.nike3on3.com).
Telemedcare (www.telemedcare.us) has completed its initial agreement with a Canadian group that will provide an initial 4,000 patients access to its system.
Pamlico Energy Park, LLC has a signed Power Purchase Agreement with Dominion Power in North Carolina for the purchase of up to 5 MW for its Solar Farm.
The Company expects its new website and social marketing programs to be fully operational by the end of the month.
The Company intends to file its quarterly report for the period ended by May 15, 2014 and is on schedule to have its audit completed as part of the public listing.
Frank Kristan, President of Worldwide Internet, Inc. stated that:
"I would like to thank our investors and shareholders for their continued interest in our Company as we continue to build assets that will help to ensure our long term and sustained success.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WNTR/news/Worldwide-CEO-Releases-Shareholder-Update?id=80438&b=y
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WNTR $$$$ NEWS!!! Worldwide Reports Record First Quarter Results
NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwired - May 15, 2014) - Worldwide Internet, Inc. (OTC Pink: WNTR) (PINKSHEETS: WNTR) announced record results for the first quarter ending March 31, 2014.
The company's net assets have increased to $31,750,021 for the period ending March 31, 2014 as compared to $(151) for the same period ending March 31, 2013.
The company's total revenues have increased to $222,907 for the period ending March 31, 2014 from -0- revenues for the same period ending March 31, 2013.
The company's net asset value has increased to $0.03c per share for the period ending March 31, 2014 from a net asset value of $(0.0001) per share for the same period ending March 31, 2013.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/worldwide-reports-record-first-quarter-145000123.html
http://www.otcmarkets.com/financialReportViewer?symbol=WNTR&id=120756
This Co just doesn't stop !!
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lol, I concur.
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Maybe I misunderstood the question he was asking.
I was under the impression that he was asking what does shareholder of records mean in general.
I agree that expected divs will be allocated as you said.
I just misunderstood the question.
Thanks
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Oh, ok, just trying to make sure everyone understands it correctly.
Thanks for posting.
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This would have been the shareholders as of the issued PR.
Time and time again.
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Sure, In laymen terms,
Say you have a million shares of WNTR as of 6/30.
You will receive $10,000 in the form of Green Company Holdings stock.
Question looming of course is:
What will Green Company Holding's open be?
If it opens at .01, and you own 1 million shares of WNTR, you would own 1 million shares of GRCH (presumably).
Here's to hoping it opens at .005. , then of course you would have 2 million shares of GRNCH.
Good luck.
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Glad you're invested, good luck to you as well.
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LOL, not at all, I actually mean that was smart of you to say.
Everything you said in your post was absolutely correct in my book.
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Oh ok, I posted on there today.
Well I can only speak for myself. I always make a solid effort to do a DD on the company , CEO, and it's affiliates. I do some trading with WNTR when the opportunity presents itself, but hold a nice core that's not tampered with.
I also, when funded, can not resist grabbing a few shares on the dips.
IMO now is a fairly decent entry.
All the best,
GL
If you have been here since Aug,
I respect you for that. I just wanted to personally reach out to you and say if you have held faith for that long, keep it. (but I know you are. )
We do not have very long, after the AF , that will boost our confidence in expecting everything Frank outputs, will come to past.
Good luck!!
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IMO, I have no doubt if you are around during the distribution period, it will come to pass.
Frank works for FED EX, he delivers, j/k , but you get it.
I am just conservative, and like to use my cautionary verbiage such as "imo, potential, if, should, I suspect, etc.
No, I do not believe he is lying to raise the pps. If you feel this way, I urge you to go with your intuition.
I am not attempting to sell WNTR to anyone. I have stated the pros and cons. The pro outweighs the cons dramatically.
Bottom line, if you are invested in WNTR by 6/30 , you will be glad you are, and you may, just may, have fun along the way... (IMO)
I am not sure who you are, but I can say for certain, I am not HH.
I am almost certain we are time zones apart.
I am Melly Mell, I have not spoken with HH since he last posted on WNTR's board. I do not engage in deceitful tactical games as such.
I would suspect that he would share the same sentiment.
If HH did what I am doing now, I am sure he is hanging around in the shadows because he obviously had, or has the same perspective about WNTR.
He is a tech analyst, I am a financial analyst, I suppose our background may have lead us to the same enthusiasm and conclusion.
I am almost certain there are quite a bit of intelligent investors in WNTR who are simply being silent, as sometimes that's best also.
I was one of those silent investors, until recently. I'd say it may give you consolation to check our post past post. IDK, I really don't care, I just oppose the notion that I am not just as capable as any one else of basically obtaining an education, lol.
If there is a similarity to my posts, I honestly do not know. I will not apologize for attempting to be of assistance to my peers, rally around my investments, and having confidence in my investment.
I do appreciate your post on the board though.
Good luck to you if you are invested, even if you are not.
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I am more concerned as to why you are concerned when you have no stake in the company.
Everything I have questioned about WNTR, I have found an answer to easily, if not by reading, then by contacting the CEO as everyone has the ability to do.
Every PR, I have read at the least 5x's , I have researched the background of Frank, and every company he is and has been affiliated with, more than a few times, I am satisfied.
What gets me,( but doesn't ) , is out of all the many, many, many, many, actual scams that are out there, why on earth aren't you warning these investors/traders about investing in those companies?
I could mention a ton of tickers that have been trading for over 10 years and still trading in the low trips, but I have yet to see a post from you warning investors about them. However we are to believe we are to believe that we have a ticker police just looking out for public safety?
Yet WNTR has been on the market since 2013 , and somehow you are projecting the future of WNTR when it is barely getting off the ground, strange.
Like I said, I really do not care. At the end of the day the only one who can deter me from investing in WNTR is WNTR, and for now she's not deterring me, she's begging me to come with her.
I would never make a move off any ones suggestion without doing my own personal Due Diligence, and the more someone rants and raves about a security being so horrible, the more I look at it as a potential investment.
Also, please, do not personally attack me as you did earlier saying I should be "flogged" for spam, whatever that meant. I want to make clear that I do not spam, I engage with other members of WNTR, and I try and put the truth as I know it out there about WNTR to hopefully point some in the right direction as opposed to not, and will continue.
I am currently confident in my investment, and that's what a confident investor does, spread the word, with hopes of spreading the wealth.
I welcome your input, and would love for you to stay around so one of us can say "I told you so". This also gets our ratings up.
I suspect I will be the one gloating, or you, if it's me, which I suspect it will not be, I will bow gracefully.
Time will tell.
Good luck, and have a great night.
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Same to you,
And thanks for your post.
Good luck.
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That's correct,
Not too often do you see a pinky with assets in the thousands, let alone millions , with progressive revs, and as you mentioned potential divs.
Time will tell, and we don't have very long.
Good luck, and thanks for posting.
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