I have read countless posts from you and others regarding contacting Eric about this filing or or that . Of course, nobody thinks everyone should contact him about his movie choices. I don't think most of 180 share holders care about the films, but the handful that do, should feel free to ask.

They need to know it's coming to their local theater and convince them to buy a ticket. Marketing to this demo is HARD.

I know this is a STOCK message board but it is for a MOVIE company.
I encourage everyone to ask these kind of questions. You guys can't just ask Eric about P&L statements and audit filings etc. Ask them what kind of films and DVD projects they are targeting and why. Why did they pick up 12? Were they the only bidder or was it because they got shut out on BURIED, or COMPANY MEN or HESHER etc.

Arguably HESHER or BURIED is a much easier sell that 12. Teenagers don't care that Joel Schumacher directed 12 or that Ted Field produced 12 so don't buy into that hype. This is a Rated R drama. The toughest sell in the movie biz. It's tough for a myriad of reason and not just because 16 year old kids can't buy a ticket. If anyone wants to know more, I'd be glad go over it.

Keep these questions coming!

Got it. Thanks.

Someone should make sure they're good with SOS Arkansas.

Warner didn't make it. According to the below, Warners is the "digital distributor" of 2 dudes.


Production Companies
Bird Dog Entertainment
BiggDro Productions (in association with)

Distributors
Gravitas Ventures (2009) (USA) (video) (VOD)
Warner Bros. Digital Distribution (2009) (USA) (video)
Hannover House (2010) (USA) (DVD)

The plot thickens. here's an amazon link that says Warner Brothers has the distribution right to 2 Dudes. Crazy!

http://www.amazon.com/2-Dudes-and-a-Dream/dp/B002ZBXDS8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=digital-video&qid=1267837109&sr=8-8

Ah... this is at the end of the Empire release - My Bad
"Empire Film Group and Hannover House have recently entered into a joint venture agreement to co-distribute Theatrical, Television, DVD and Book titles in North America. These five Blu-ray releases and Book will be distributed through this joint venture"

Could they have a fight on their hands regarding who has the rights to some of the films?
Seems like they are both claiming distribution rights to these 4 or 5 films.
Empire says they are re-releasing "Savage Land". Both CEO's are producers on that one.

Hannover & Empire need to mix up their PR's a bit. Is the tail wagging dog or vice versa?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Empire-Announces-Spring-pz-3381486736.html?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Hannover-House-Debuts-1495-iw-1352056994.html?x=0&.v=1

FYI - Heavy Drug use and sex in this film.

Those assets aren't necessarily attributed to Hound Dog.
Regardless, it will be interesting to see what the audited financials look like.
I definitely want to know how they value the library at 20 some million?

This profit can't be from Hound Dog. The financials show that they still owe a lot of money from the film's release. "Hounddog P&A Payable 713,974"

Not so sure that Hound Dog has made money. Where did you get that idea?

Good films; Yes. But, will you and everyone that owns stock in TDGI actually by a ticket opening weekend? My gut says, NO.
If by chance we all do, what good will it do anyway? How many eyeballs are reading this board?

Per PR
I still say south of 500 screens.

Amen to that!

Historically "indie films" released by "indie distributors" don't open on 1,000 plus screens. They usually slow roll it out in hopes it catches some heat.

1000 screens seems rather ambitious. I'm thinking south of 500.

A typical distribution deal will have the producers and the distributor splitting 75% - 25% after the distributor recoups all of the money they put out to acquire it and to release it. To consummate the deal the distributor will pay an "advance" against a guaranteed minimum. (in this case 2M is guaranteed back to the producers)

So, the 2M deal at Sundance was probably closed with a 10% cash down payment. Hannover is obligated to pay the producers a minimum of 2M regardless of how the film performs.

The distributor has a 50% - 50% box-office split with the exhibitors.

We know it cost 2M to acquire TWELVE and let's say another 2M to market it. We will need to gross 8M in the box-office to break even. (thank god we have DVD, cable & VOD rights!)

Bottom line, it will be tough for TWELVE to recoup at the box-office, so we need to hope it will be a big hit on DVD. This is typical of a Sundance film (with the exception of PRECIOUS last year)
Over the last 10 years the winning film at Sundance has had an average box-office gross of only 2.4M.

"righteous kill" stared Robert De Niro & Al Pacino.
It grossed 40M but cost 60M. Not a good example here.

As you said, "We'll see the box office numbers together".
Believing in Eric will start with TWELVE. There's no recent box-office success to judge him on.
My fingers are crossed with all of yours.

Curtis Jackson means nothing to the box office. He's never drawn an audience to any other film, why would he now? This film is rated R for heavy drug use and sexual content. IMO, TWELVE will have a modest run in theaters. The real money is in dvd and cable. Let's hope that the WalMart crowd comes out to support it when it hits the video shelves.

TV stars rarely get the kind of Box Office pop people imagine they do.
This film is rated R. Also a tough sell for the target audience.

We will soon find out. We can help assure a great opening box office weekend if everyone who's been following this message board buys two tickets. How many tickets would you expect that to be?
If everyone here would just tell 2 people - and those 2 people would tell 2 people (etc)
We could set a new weekend record! Come on guys and gals, lets start a grassroots marketing campaign here on IHUB.

You open on limited screens to test the waters. The examples below are BIG successes.
But, If these films would have failed in limited release, the distributor have pulled the plug immediately. There's no such thing as a slam dunk in the movie business. I can show you tons of examples of BIG failures as well, but don't want to kill the Hannover House Buzz!


Precious - Opening Weekend 18 screens.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=preciouspush.htm

Monsters Ball - Opening Weekend 7 screens.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=monstersball.htm

Napoleon Dynamite - Opening Weekend 8 screens.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=napoleondynamite.htm

National Release can mean as little as 10 screens if they open in the top national markets.
If they open this film "wide" they will need to buy a lot of broadcast TV time. This is very expensive. You've got to remember that just because they open a film wide, it doesn't mean that people will come out to see it.
We should only how we do as well as the two examples I posted. Frozen River was nominated for 2 academy awards and only managed to gross 2.5M in box office. Believe it or not, this is considered a hit in the indie world.

You've gotta factor in the cost of releasing TWELVE.
Marketing, distribution and advertising costs are big ticket items.
Nobody knows how many screens the film will be released on.
There's a good chance this will be a platform release opening on 25 or 50 or 100 screens.
Who knows, this could debut on as little as 10 screens.
They're in for 2M and you've got to figure that they'll spend at least another 2M to release it.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/12/prweb494470.htm

The distributor normally sees about 50% of the box-office receipts from the theaters.
Using this typical model, TWELVE would need to gross 8M in theaters just to break even.


Here's a few good examples of limited release successes:
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=frozenriver.htm
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=bottleshock.htm

Eric's newest film is Boiler Maker (he's the producer) When's this coming out?
http://www.theboilermaker.com

Pacificor nabs 'Terminator'
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118014933.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&ref=bd_film

It's all about - Per Screen Average.
You can't predict box-office gross until you
know how many screens the film will be released on.
Indie distributors like Hannover cant release films on
1200 plus screens like the big boys. (it's way too expensive)
TWELVE will most likely open as a platform
release in just a few cities on a small number of screens.
If they see significant per screen averages on those screens,
they will expand to more cities and more screens.
If a limited release averages north of 5,000 per screen for a weekend,
that's news worthy in Hollywood.

We should all hope that Hannover breaks even with TWELVE theater release
and makes a killing on the aftermarket areas like Wall Mart, Blockbuster home video,
HBO cable and internet.

What about Eric's film Boiler Maker... When's this one out?
theboilermaker.com

Wild Hunt - Trailer

Video Interview with Eric at Sundance
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=videoBC&bctid=63906860001

eric and wife have god track-records. What about Eric's movie The Boilermaker

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1148199/
http://www.theboilermaker.com/

When is this coming out

Eric's new movie? http://theboilermaker.com/
Looks like he is a producer on this.