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Rocket Lowes or a US NA is not the issue with me. Yes I believe Lowes will come eventually but. By his own making assume the Lowes intro was at first(by his own word) 'soon' then changed to 'immenient' while pushing the delay to Lowes while all along knowing Lowes had frozen for some time the intro of new product. He simply ran out of time to pass the buck any more.
Eric said
'Well first Eric wanted to talk a bit about last March's Memo, and the fact that the minor mention of
national account probably should have said Canadian national account, although discussions,
at that time were ongoing on both sides of the border, I should have realized that a large percentage
of board members are in the USA and would assume national account meant US, but Wal-Mart Canada
is a national account, and a big one and we are very happy to have them'.
Tib I don't think anyone is blaming you. I appreciated you post.
However Erics mood is always positive as tries to explain himself out of another situation he created but his reasons to me only discredit him. //
Wrinkles doesn't ##8 have you scratching you head and asking why did Eric handle the Lowes matter the way he did when he knew there was a Lowes freeze for some time on introduction of new products and he intentionally(because he didn't correct it until Tibs phone call) let the bd go along with the assumption that the NA was the US giant Lowes eventhough he really should have said he meant to say he was referring to a CA NA with an example of WalMart CA. Good grief Eric gave us a Lowes intro state, a zip code and even a map on the WNBD site so we could follow the stores as they were stocked. We did not assume Lowes was the NA, we were guided there.
This part 8 of Tibs report answered alot of questions for me. //
71121
Rec. Time Action Price Volume
1:37:52 PM Trade 0.0053 414000
1:37:52 PM Trade 0.0055 414000
At least it raised the b/a.
Tib so fill us in... //
Rocket thx for the post. Hope you are correct.
No more complaining about this. //
Rocket I have no problem with the 504 or it being executed.
My problem is that he said the financing was complete and the $1mil had been secured.
I hate to keep complaining about this but I believe others understood him to say this as well, yet the dilution appeared to not end even after Eric said it had.
I am open to corrections if wrong. //
Just wondering why Eric did ther SEC 504 right now? Was it a requirement by the SEC?
Why did he relay to us the financing was completed and about 1 week later submit the SEC 504 reversing his financing completed response? Doesn't make him look good again.
It's almost like he is learning along the way, not knowing exactly how to handle info he wants to communicate to the bd(2 nas, financing-dilution) then trying to cover his tracks after he has walked thru a pig pen. Hard to cover your tracks when you already have pig crap on your shoes.
His credibility has reached a critical point IMO.
Only he can restore it.. //
TBOMB Louisa emailed this to Eric for me. I questioned him because it appeared the dilution was still happening even after Eric told us it had ended, as I and others understood him to say. His vague no answer I questioned on the bd also.
So we did know all because he told us it was over.
' Posted by: louisa Date: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:44:42 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 72900
{b]From Eric Lehner ...
Sent: April-02-09 2:12 PM
To: Eric Lehner
Subject: Question from another shareholder regarding something only you can answer, if you would be so kind.When time allows.
I was asked by Dan to forward this to you.
Q.
Has anyone wondered why we are still getting numereous large block stock sales even after the $1mil limit for a 12 month period had been reached?
Before I pose my question does anyone know if the 12 month period for the $1mil in security sales is by calendar yr or just a defined 12 month period of time defined by the company?
I was wondering if the 12 month period ended a short time ago because the $1mil had been reached and we are in a new/different 12 month period of sales by the company??
eric@winningbrands.ca
Subject: RE: Question from another shareholder regarding something only you can answer, if you would be so kind.When time allows.
The protocol calls for the company to refrain from raising more than $1,000,000 in Free Trading shares under 504 Exemption in any given 12 month period regardless of whether this is by calendar or fiscal reckoning. Winning Brands adheres to this protocol.'
Didn't complets my post
Eric
1) Misled us about the April 08 na.
2) Misled us about the Lowes na.
2) misled us about the $1mil in financing by stating something which was not true.
In baseball 3 strikes and you're out.
But this the sub penny world where rules don't apply.
He needs to explain and quickly.
soapy I questioned Eric about the financing issue through Louisa. I now understand the very vague response to me yes or no question.
1)
Soapy please clarity. I/all want to know the answer so we all can be pissed too. //
Hope Eric also clarifies what the $59,144 finders fee was for??
trusting him and didn't Eric say the 1mil in current financing was over?
Louisa emailed Eric about my ???? regarding the financing and if we were in another period of sales. Received a vague response. //
Anybody what the following from the SEC 504 means??
'13. Offering and Sales Amounts
--------------------
Total Offering Amount $ | 1000000 | USD
--------------------
--------------------
Total Amount Sold $ | 739310 | USD
--------------------
--------------------
Total Remaining To Be $ | 260690 | USD
Sold --------------------
15. Sales Commissions & Finders' Fees Expenses
Provide separately the amounts of sales commissions and finers' fees expenses, if
any. If the amount of an expenditure is not known, provide an estimate and check
the box next to the amount(s).
---------------------
Sales Commissions $ | 0 | USD { } Estimate
---------------------
---------------------
Finders Fees $ | 59144 | USD { } Estimate
---------------------'
My question from item 13 is....
Item 13.
' Total Amount Sold $ | 739310 | USD
--------------------
--------------------
Total Remaining To Be $ | 260690 | USD
Sold --------------------'
Does it mean we still have $260,690 left to be sold in stock?
Item 15
' Finders Fees $ | 59144 | USD { } Estimate '
$59,144 finders fee for what??
TBOMB April 8 would be great.
Would be a great birth day gift for me but I'm not holding my breath. //
wrinkles he should have learned from his 1st mistake and not have announced the second time especially if the Lowes agreement had some rough spots remaining or/and the time line was totally at the mercy of Lowes to execute it.
Lowes may be controlling the roll out but Eric was in complete control of the initial hype about it to this board. Should he have just kept his mouth closed until he was absolutely sure? I think so.. //
ant yes I have read it several times. Trouble is this is a week later and could we have started a new time period in that week. Easy answer yes or no.
Maybe he answered indirectly to louisa but I failed to see it.
Anyway thx for the reply.. //
louisa I thought the ????? was straight forward and would have been easily understood.
To be honest I think his reply was vague and intentionally worded to avoid the 'yes' or 'no'.
I'll think about trying it again. Disappointed and JMO. //
louisa I just read the response Eric sent you about my question. Thx very much.
But is it just me or did he answer the question about a new period? LOL. //
Wrinkles I'm not trying to wrinkle your feathers but you should have known better.
BTW you said that you got personal clients of yours in at .01 range from your real estate business in addition to dozens of others. None of my business but maybe theirs, did you inform them/any that you sold your shares at .02?? If I remember correctly you told the bd about selling at .02 and making a bundle as the run to .05 was happening about Feb 08. Shame on you if you didn't, they could have got out with a profit. Even after you sold you still said kept saying 'It's coming, hang in there, have faith, this isn't your normal pink'. 'by years end, not second week of April, buying myself time just in case' again after you sold at .02.
Sorry to be so blunt but you set up my response by sometimes acting like a baby with your subtle yo-yo emotional posts.
Again not bashing you just responding. JMO
If I am wrong I can take correction.. //
louisa thx very much. I will hold off with anymore comments until you get a response. //
louisa thx I got your response but could not reply because I have not upgraded my account.
BTW I believe you correspond to Eric from time to time.
Was wondering if you or someone could relay my ????? to him.
If it's true it may explain what is happening.
I could not get his email to work.
This was my post.
' Posted by: danthomas Date: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:26:15 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 71946
Has anyone wondered why we are still getting numereous large block stock sales even after the $1mil limit for a 12 month period had been reached?
Before I pose my question does anyone know if the 12 month period for the $1mil in security sales is by calendar yr or just a defined 12 month period of time defined by the company?
I was wondering if the 12 month period ended a short time ago because the $1mil had been reached and we are in a new/different 12 month period of sales by the company??
This is not a bash. I am merely trying to get an reason why the apparent large sales continue. TIA... //'
71121 quite a place. Make sure the car is part of the deal. //
louisa he's trying to make enough $$$$ off WNBD to fix the foundation to keep it from falling into the ocean. LOL.. //
Has anyone wondered why we are still getting numereous large block stock sales even after the $1mil limit for a 12 month period had been reached?
Before I pose my question does anyone know if the 12 month period for the $1mil in security sales is by calendar yr or just a defined 12 month period of time defined by the company?
I was wondering if the 12 month period ended a short time ago because the $1mil had been reached and we are in a new/different 12 month period of sales by the company??
This is not a bash. I am merely trying to get an reason why the apparent large sales continue. TIA... //
NASCAR update.
'BY JARED GALL,
April 2009
In a move sure to spark outrage, the White House announced today that GM and Chrysler must cease participation in NASCAR at the end of the 2009 season if they hope to receive any additional financial aid from the government. Companies around the globe—Honda and Audi, to name two—have drawn down racing operations, and NASCAR itself has already felt the pinch in the form of reduced team spending. A complete withdrawal from America’s premier racing series is expected to save more than $250 million between GM and Chrysler, a substantial amount considering the drastic measures being implemented elsewhere.
“Automakers used to operate on the principle of ‘win on Sunday, sell on Monday,’ but the Auto Task Force’s research just doesn’t validate that as true,” said the statement from President Obama. While fans have decried the Car of Tomorrow for heavily limiting what little personalization the cookie-cutter series had previously allowed to participating manufacturers, and drivers have slammed its brick-like aerodynamics and unpredictable handling, even the governmental oversight committee sees that the full-scale regulation of the cars leaves the manufacturers very little space for research and development. “NASCAR is a racing series that regulates down to the smallest detail of the cars, where a car badged a Chevrolet or Dodge differs only marginally from a Ford or a Toyota. There’s no technological development to speak of.”
The statement goes on further to say the same demand will be made of Ford if it asks for government assistance. “In order to receive this money, corporations must demonstrate they will spend it wisely. Racing has been said to improve on-road technology, but frankly, NASCAR almost flaunts its standing among the lowest-tech forms of motorsport. NASCAR is not proven to drive advancements that transfer from the racetrack to the road, and this nation’s way forward does not hinge on decades-old technology. We need new, and we need innovation.”
The President realizes this will be an unpopular call, but stands behind the decision, saying, “This is an obvious cut to make, but it is not an easy one. This administration is not ignoring the tremendous sentimental value and emotional appeal NASCAR holds for so many Americans. But now is not the time for sentiment and nostalgia; now is a time for decisive financial action. If our automotive industry is to emerge from this recession intact, then these difficult decisions must be made.”
Both Chevrolet and Dodge see the move as only temporary, and fully expect to resume racing in NASCAR as soon as they have stabilized and the government’s hand in their operations is minimized. “There is nothing really to say at this point,” said one representative, who wished to remain anonymous. “We’ve been doing this since the beginning, and we always assumed we’d be doing this until the end. Heck, nobody ever thought to think that there would be an end. But we ain’t done. As soon as this is over, we’re taking back our spot at the top.”
NASCAR officials remain tight-lipped about the call, but sources say series president Mike Helton and team managers are exploring several options, including other manufacturers to fill Chevrolet and Dodge’s vacated positions. Given the company’s recent interest in motorsport and the steady cash-flow and V-8 engine provided by its new Genesis sedan, sources indicate that NASCAR is pinging Hyundai to gauge the Korean company’s interest in occupying a spot in NASCAR. “Toyota was not well-received their first year in the sport, nor was their first season an easy one,” the source says. “But they learned, they applied the lessons, and they have proven very competitive this year.”
If Hyundai does indeed join the series, there will no doubt be a steep learning curve, and the move would leave Ford the lone domestic battling a pair of Asian makes in America’s most popular racing series. We wonder, however, how long NASCAR could hold that title without two of its most storied participants.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/motorsports/obama_orders_chevrolet_and_dodge_out_of_nascar_car_news
trusting I know you were, so was I.. Just thought I would add a little pump for the products and mgt. LOL.. //
louisa it will be much more impressive when it says revs gt 20 mil.
Were you surprised? At this point in time shouldn't lt 20 mil be expected? //
trusting suspect why??
Just means they have the cleanup crew use WB products for the job.
Pretty good advertising if you ask me.. LOL..
Now if you were referring to clean as sparsely furnished, it just means our co is frugal. Seems to go along with the way they run the co in general. //
TBOMB/scup don't you guys think it would be extremely stupid to discuss this info with some, not all shareholders?
This NDA the poster mentioned has to be pure crap.
MGT would be making a big mistake by creating a poster with INSIDER knowledge and then shutting their mouth with an nda.
Shouldn't happen, better not happen, won't happen..
I don't think Eric would risk the shareholder goodwill he has worked for with such a blatent error. JMO.. //
frozen and anyone not aware. You can scale down or up the size by going to the '100%' icon at the bottom right of the screen and clicking on the down arrow/pointer.
Then adjust to fit but to come back to normal size you will need to adjust back to 100% size. //
oops wrong commercial. LOL. I'm old enough to have enjoyed those commercials and also old enough to have a memory lapse/confusion. Repairman was never needed because of the quality of the product but the concept was whats important... //
Hi Louisa I believe from RB PTSC under a diff ID. Been with WNBD for about a yr but new to IHUB. Pity about PTSC..
I was thinking about this, THE STAIN PATROL. Available for service 24/7. An idea I thought could exploit and increase the use of WB Stain Remover. A revival of the old Maytag commercial repairman was always there when you needed him. A very successful series of ads for many years, simple but quite effective..
In a way history repeating itself but with a diff product. I don't remember anyone with this idea but my apology if someone mentioned it before.
Just an idea, maybe no value.
Wonder if it's worth contacting mgt with the idea..
Any thoughts.. //