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wow...what a battle going on
like the way its holding up...soon the break out up...
the shorts should be getting nervous....
if this gets over .03 with volume and strong bid...then we may see some volume come in to cover....
We do know heavy trading
We do not know there is diluted in the OS. It is possible that the float has grown , also that shorting bin existent shares
The companies interest is not served by dilution at these levels given potential and history
GICCTUFY
a good pop for all longs
and by longs i dont mean traders...i mean those who look at this for the potential of the company and the underlying fundamentals and opportunity...and hopefully we begin to move forward with a sounder foundation of vested support...
for new eyes....
The market for bio-coal is huge
The use of torrified bio mass is accepted and proven to work in coal facilities among other uses
The average coal consumption oer coal plant is about 10mil tons a yr
In 6 months Vencor capacity is estimated at 12 tons p/h x 20 hrs a day x 340 days est = about 80-90,000 tons
Vencor is negotiating for additional capacity / the produyct has been tested to meet all specifications for biomass coal
Vencor has contracts in hand and is in production
Vencor will be reporting delivery and $ in the near future
ONE current order is for 3,000 tons of Bio-coal and is valued at approximately $600,000
The CEO for Vencor is James Gaspard - a well known respected leader in the BioMass , Bio char and Bio coal field
One release focuses on the companies mission to get off pinks for transparency in reporting and growth
The opportunity is real..
review the action in the last 5 months
Feb 26, 2015 Vencor Signs Timber Contract to Lower Feedstock Costs Press Release
Feb 19, 2015 Vencor Lands Exclusive Contract to Manufacture Torrefied Bio-Coal Press Release
Jan 29, 2015 Vencor International Introduces First Torrefaction Machine Press Release
Jan 15, 2015 Vencor International Receives Purchase Order to Produce 3,000 Tons of Bio-Coal Press Release
Jan 13, 2015 Vencor International to Acquire Exclusive Rights to Torrefaction Equipment Press Release
Dec 17, 2014 Vencor International Enters Into Agreement to Produce Bio-Coal Press Release
Dec 11, 2014 Vencor International Product Testing Approved Press Release
Dec 9, 2014 Vencor International Provides Agenda for Shareholder Conference Call Press Release
Dec 4, 2014 Vencor International Hires LAR Law Group PC to Initiate Uplisting Process to OTCQB Press Release
Dec 1, 2014 Vencor International Schedules Shareholder Conference Call Press Release
Nov 24, 2014 Vega Biofuels Explores Options to Increase Bio-Coal Production Capacity to Meet Demand Press Release
Nov 18, 2014 Vencor International Chooses Industry Expert to Lead Its Alternative Energy Business Press Release
Nov 10, 2014 New Look for Vencor International, Inc. Press Release
Nov 4, 2014 Vencor International, Inc. Reduces Debt by Over Six Million Dollars Press Release
getting green...
maybe we have news coming too....
so who is 'they"...??
you said you were going to short it now?...missed quite a ride down :)
Time to make money going forward!
yes dumping...rather,...shorting.....
but two sides...being bought....as well...some thinks this goes forward
there has been great and consistent news
they are moving fast...and easy to see where this is going...along with 12 ton p/h,with clients, real ceo, real capacity and supply....this will come together very soon...
Feb 26, 2015 Vencor Signs Timber Contract to Lower Feedstock Costs Press Release
Feb 19, 2015 Vencor Lands Exclusive Contract to Manufacture Torrefied Bio-Coal Press Release
Jan 29, 2015 Vencor International Introduces First Torrefaction Machine Press Release
Jan 15, 2015 Vencor International Receives Purchase Order to Produce 3,000 Tons of Bio-Coal Press Release
Jan 13, 2015 Vencor International to Acquire Exclusive Rights to Torrefaction Equipment Press Release
Dec 17, 2014 Vencor International Enters Into Agreement to Produce Bio-Coal Press Release
Dec 11, 2014 Vencor International Product Testing Approved Press Release
Dec 9, 2014 Vencor International Provides Agenda for Shareholder Conference Call Press Release
Dec 4, 2014 Vencor International Hires LAR Law Group PC to Initiate Uplisting Process to OTCQB Press Release
Dec 1, 2014 Vencor International Schedules Shareholder Conference Call Press Release
Nov 24, 2014 Vega Biofuels Explores Options to Increase Bio-Coal Production Capacity to Meet Demand Press Release
Nov 18, 2014 Vencor International Chooses Industry Expert to Lead Its Alternative Energy Business Press Release
Nov 10, 2014 New Look for Vencor International, Inc. Press Release
Nov 4, 2014 Vencor International, Inc. Reduces Debt by Over Six Million Dollars Press Release
yes - agree...
except small companies dont have the resources to put out all fires...news is coming pretty fast but also - it is about eyes....time to build critical mass so the next level of $ may be interested....
in the crib very hard for mgt....
i have 100% confidence in the co...so will look to build bigger position very soon...
Thanks Stocked......
many forget this is a stock...and it often does not reflect the company, but trading situations....I suppose i should have seen the short happening, but i am not a day trader. The company is not selling...just common sense....the potential here is so much more...only small ball plays here for rent money...
The huge volume yesterday suggests to the market makers and shorts are waging a battle and looks like maybe...just maybe the worm has turned.....be nice to pop with a squeeze.
The company has to line up ammo..and think this is what they are doing,,,not for this necessarily...but to load with news/results that breaks this out...as well as brings new eyes....and gets back on mission to get out of pinks....as lovely as the company here is.
7tons p/h + 5 tons p/h...assume 6 days a week 18 hours ....over 350,000 tons..and more capacity on the way....contract known others working...clients in hand and new ones coming...genuine sweet spot in market...genuine CEO with integrity working every day very hard,...
This is a real company....the shorts could get caught with a nasty surprise
The only thing we have to go on now are the financials posted on OTC Pinks.
They did the release last year in October that they had cleared the past debt (except for 30k or so). As to assets - unclear. But i suspect small...they have the machines (terms unclear), produce somewhere (a heated dialogue on VGPR thread), and pay whoever is working the machines....minimal office...etc...
I think the real picture will be 1sr qt - which we will not see for some time.
For me - i look to the vega contract, the 'others' JG referred to in releases, the 7 tons p/h plus now an additional 5t p/h with new machine....and look for signs they are realizing this out the door....
I think in the next 1-2 releases they will..and need to give some reality of being in $$ biz
Lots of questions....
for one not sure the source or why we would need to do a joint venture...certainly they to have hands full - as do we.....and we have our production lined up.
If the notes i have are correct we had 7 tons p/h and just added about 5 tins p/h.
If we assume 16 hours a day x 6 days x 300 days we get 345,600 tons...more then they produce.
We were also talking about expansion with another unit.
They seem to be working the same market....but further into process.
However - partnering or , growing production and acquisitions represent a real fast track...
but plenty of room for all....>> A typical (500 megawatt) coal plant burns 1.4 million tons of coal each year.
all fun speculation....
i agree rumors do not constitute information...
but Vencor has put out a series of releases that are fast paced and sequential - there is no reason at this point to doubt the veracity...
They announced means or production, contracts and supply....all in order....the next will very likely be shipping and actuals.
I suggest folks look at the recent events to balance the frustrations from past promises. It is troubling to see the long history of unfulfilled efforts undermine what looks now to be a situation where there is finally real traction for moving forward.
The two last releases - one vega and one vencor - along with the consistent fast paced history of releases and action at vencor dove tail and paint a picture that i would guess says we will see order shipment in the very near future.
there are now - contracts + production + capacity and the next step is ....orders out. We have two companies and two mgts now aligned and this assures me that this is not smoke and mirrors.
I think Vega has to re-position itself and update its biz model in light of its relationship with vencor. My sense is MM is focused on this relationship and helping get first order out.
Time will tell
Vega Biofuels Places Order for Production of Bio-Coal
Company to Start Filling Orders for International Clients
NORCROSS, GA--(Marketwired - Jan 15, 2015) - VEGA BIOFUELS, INC., (OTC PINK: VGPR) announced today that the Company has placed an order for 3,000 tons of Bio-Coal for shipment to an international client.
Manufactured from timber waste using torrefaction technology, Bio-Coal has a high energy density of up to 13,000 BTUs/Lb and is considered a renewable energy fuel that meets the Renewable Portfolio Standards and Renewable Energy Credits (RECs) in the United States.
Vega recently announced that the Company was working with Colorado based, Vencor International, Inc. to test Vencor's torrefied wood product to see if it met the strict specifications to be used as Bio-Coal. The independent testing was successful and Vega has now issued a Purchase Order to Vencor to produce 3,000 tons of Bio-Coal. Production is scheduled to begin later this month. The deal is valued at approximately $600,000.
February 26
Vencor Signs Timber Contract to Lower Feedstock Costs
Three Year Agreement to Increases Company's Bottom Line
BOULDER, CO--(Marketwired - Feb 26, 2015) - VENCOR INTERNATIONAL, INC. (OTC PINK: VCOR) today announced it has entered into an Agreement to purchase timber waste for use in manufacturing torrefied wood products.
Vencor has entered into an Agreement with a local logging company to purchase their tree top timber waste. The three year deal will have a significant impact on the Company's bottom line by lowering its feedstock costs. The Agreement can be extended for additional three year terms by the Parties.
Vencor recently announced that the Company had entered into an Agreement with Georgia based, Vega Biofuels, Inc. to manufacture Vega's Bio-Coal product using torrefaction technology. In an effort to increase its production capacity, Vencor has purchased a second torrefaction machine. The second machine doubled the Company's production capacity and created a need for additional timber feedstock. This Agreement will provide Vencor with enough sustainable raw feedstock to run both machines to meet the demand from Vega Biofuels and the Company's other clients. The Agreement lowers the Company's feedstock costs by approximately thirty five percent.
again from vencor side
the last release was a 3 year contract for supply...as vcor needed more to fulfill the vgpr contract as well as others. Previous release was expanded capacity and agreement with VGPR for supply contract.
The pace of these releases is aggressive.
I bring this up as (I feel) JG is credible and that the releases are bonafide.
So now the situation sits with >
capacity + supply + contracts = the next has to be a release about shipping and results
My guess is MM has focused on expediting this - the faster this goes then $ to vgpr.
Remember vgpr is NOT vcor...and is not like the previous owned supply effort...there is no ownership - it is a separate company. I would caution dragging JG is any sins of VGPR past.
For my part i would also recommend mgt NOT get into do we even exist- show me the pics type engagements from the stand point of veracity or credibility. Its just a slippery slope for bashers who can find cracks in any effort. But in any case reiterate - to show the pics is to show pics of another company,,,maybe vcor is shipping to another account....maybe they are dumping it into the sea...maybe they just piled up a bunch of sawdust....and the machine is cardboard...and so on.
I do appreciate the pain in long standing wait and changes in courses here (and vcor)....i hold both....but for whatever sins of the past...i encourage a little more patience...i think the recent releases are painting a pretty bright picture.
perspective
2mm 'dumps' are about ..$.3600-$3800 or so....
40,000 k buy and a 5 k sell....
total about $125....not much of a market comment
the co is not focusing on the 'market' but on building the biz....and the releases show the steady progress.
the movements of a few hundred dollars each way shows to me there is little attention now...and the need for ,,,,(and feel comfortable this will happen)....of PR/IR to brining fresh eyes to the potential.
As noted before....this entire opportunity only makes sense way higher than here...for investors,,,,for company,..for all stakeholders....but much better to bring a complete story for a real push
CEO....check
capacity - production ...check
supply resource.....check
contract.....check
Next important step is the first report of delivery with detail about scale and pace. My guess is we should see some first sign within 2 weeks
Then as an investor my eye will be on can the team scale up fast,,,,can the rev's we can project now assuming 90% capacity running full time be scaled up fast
The first steps are close to in place...the next are the management of the process and growth....
But I applaud the mgt for the successful efforts in each step to date
If I can suggest
As a primary vcor holder (small position here)...
I don't get the focus on pictures ... I do suggest they update websites and might be good to show current info ( news and pics) there...but given what I see on boards (both) any pic will be ridiculed for some flaw or other.
Bottom line (for me) is if investors feel releases and mgt are credible... It seems a stretch to me that a few guys launch two companies ,,, manufacture releases... Spend $$ to stay legal and current... As some grand fraud.
Much more likely to me is those same few guys are working very hard... Can't cover every base... Growing pains and flaws and delays show...So all the ( understandable-but misplaced) bleacher seat 'should' rage...
In time ... Sooner than later (imho) this will reach a critical threshold... And the vista will look much better and more transparent
Rather than pics I do encourage an active IR ....proactive messaging , prompt responses ...update websites...take a lot of steam out of the noise
Jus tot be clear
securing feedstock for the two machines is garbage?
They announced they grew to now have 2 machines....producing now....they have contract for product....and now release a feedstock contract.
Seems consistent and positive...
machine + feedstock + contract = revenues.
bag holders?
not sure what that means....i guess you mean suckers who have chosen to buy all the shares in...
perhaps they know what they are doing...
We shall see....
There is another consideration...
buying/selling into ask...or tight bid....taking in cheap shares....who is buying...
on the way down....someone was taking in all these shares, often in big blocks :)
perhaps stocking up for the next big run....upwards...
agree you
have been right on share slide.....think there is more happening here as noted before
we shall see!
so why the interest?
and I assume when
the price goes up the market agrees and all is true....
so what was true before is not now and then later may be.....
the market right now is trading volume of (today) about $1k....hardly a judgment on anything except apathy and a very thinly followed security
It is my judgement that the market will weigh in ...to the positive in a big way....once the clouds lift and the contracts are confirmed with detail and a revenue path is clear
Well ....going by releases
Cap at est 3mm based on issued / as reported
Contract - Vega contract in hand / production implied by output of capacity, as well as need for new additional production / as well as CEO statements of active pipeline
No debt - again per earlier release (or very modest
Great CEO - james gaspard
Real Market - lots of info out on potential , interest and need ot product
Company cap way undervalued
looking at a 3mm company right now...with soon to be announced contracts of MM's
No debt. Great CEO , committed mgt. real production...real market ...
easy moves up here for both traders and long term...
No
I am deducing....the have 7 ton p/h capacity - have had for some time.
They have reached an agreement with Vega to manage their large contract and assume they are working on this as we speak.
The company came into being only 4-6 months ago...and hired JG within that time. He is active in business (Bio Char) and understands the market...and to my understanding aggressively puhsing forward.
No secret - proof is whether you think all the news and work over last months is an elaborate scam by incompetents....or a real company getting off ground.
Au contraire...
The company is current with filings
I think the company HAS been shipping - with one machine working (capacity 7 ton p/h) and another coming online (capacity 5 ton p/h) I think we will see a report soon on actuals.
yes it seems some strange trading....
my feeling is that the company has a strategy....albeit painful for the moment....and will come out with news that is increasingly interesting and going to bottom line....
next will be...should be....some actual shipments....some indications of revenue....and include some path forward.
i would hope for and recommend some deeper comments from CEO - maybe statement on website...improved IR....know he/they is busy....but would be good for yr end to 2015....broad vision....goals...and strategies in specific...(besides just 'more'...but some color on what we see as possible, what the market is, the responses we get, what we think is attainable etc)
I look back to the release and think that this will come into play soon -
BOULDER, CO--(Marketwired - Dec 4, 2014) - VENCOR INTERNATIONAL, INC. (OTC PINK: VCOR) announced today that the Company has retained Lorin Rosen, Esq. of LAR Law Group PC to initiate the process of transitioning the Company from the OTC Markets Pink Sheets to the OTCQB by filing an S-1 Registration Statement with the Securities & Exchange Commission. In addition to registering shares of stock under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, a Form S-1 filing also provides comprehensive information about the capital structure, financial condition, history and governance of the Company.
.....
The Company recently announced that it has cleared over six million dollars of debt from its balance sheet. Today's announcement signals management's intent to provide additional transparency to the investment community as it works toward completing its audit and meeting the other listing requirements for trading on the OTCQB.
James Gaspard, CEO of Vencor International, Inc., stated, "This is the next step in our rebuilding process. We have a lot of opportunity on the operations and marketing side of our business. Becoming fully audited and reporting will provide us with more opportunities on the financial side of our business and will also provide our shareholders with a much more robust trading platform."
This is almost 90 days. I am hoping that the current trading is a big shake....playing possum...taking shares in...and setting up a run to break out from the sub penny level.
Im sure a lot of naysayers will jump on this....but at core goes to are all these releases (below) real or not....i think these guys are serious and the efforts are real....the quiet now is stealth....and planning...and that the shares down here are a steal...
A LOT of work in 4-6 mo.
Feb 19, 2015 Vencor Lands Exclusive Contract to Manufacture Torrefied Bio-Coal
Jan 29, 2015 Vencor International Introduces First Torrefaction Machine
Jan 15, 2015 Vencor International Receives Purchase Order to Produce 3,000 Tons of Bio-Coal
Jan 13, 2015 Vencor International to Acquire Exclusive Rights to Torrefaction Equipment
Dec 17, 2014 Vencor International Enters Into Agreement to Produce Bio-Coal
Dec 11, 2014 Vencor International Product Testing Approved
Dec 9, 2014 Vencor International Provides Agenda for Shareholder Conference Call
Dec 4, 2014 Vencor International Hires LAR Law Group PC to Initiate Uplisting Process to OTCQBB
Dec 1, 2014 Vencor International Schedules Shareholder Conference Call
Nov 24, 2014 Vega Biofuels Explores Options to Increase Bio-Coal Production Capacity to Meet Demand
Nov 18, 2014 Vencor International Chooses Industry Expert to Lead Its Alternative Energy Business
Nov 10, 2014 New Look for Vencor International, Inc.
Nov 4, 2014 Vencor International, Inc. Reduces Debt by Over Six Million Dollars
fenix....not sure how to
join as moderatror
well have to say
you called this.....
but contrary to assertion the company does respond have heard back...and lots in store. My sense is that this remains a shake out period....taking in shares...with a big picture in mind.
While i certainly would like to see a green day....i think the support has been there....taking in as low as those will sell...and when we move higher ....will be in a big way ...leapfrog these levels....so those not in will need to pay way up.
This is just my feeling....i am in...long and see a big future here....
we shall see
shares are the same as when the unicorn was alive.....
perhaps some shares are coming out....that would hit the float...not dilution.....again for me the cap is the target...
3-4mm.....with mulit million market potential....with mm contract in hand (you think bogus - your call)...
i see 10-20mm cap....as foundation....starting platform....at this level goes to if the company performs or not....
i am in....you are not....we shall see....
$VCOR is the unicorn of 2015. New shell acquired and paid off $6M in debt only $13k left. Uplisting to QB and huge Contracts and revs coming in.
hmmmmm....
we shall see.....
contract in hand from vgor is a 5 yr 50mm contract...others in hand being worked....capacity growing...experienced ceo....news coming....restored green status....all in 6 mo....
like to progress....and think we will see new support.....
I expect this will move in the near future....
while frustrating i see the accumulation going on as part of a real foundation....taking out all weak holders...ready for a serious move to catapult out of these levels.....i dont think mgt has invested so much to play around down here.....
but first need to clean up
IMHO
well have to say
you called it....
still feel solid about where this is going....up not down....
lol....
so this was the dump?....tiny order....certainly not going to make anyone rich...or even pay their laundry bill....
we shall see how it plays out in the coming days
lol....pretty funny....
well then we are all wasting our time....yes?
For me....dont think the fat lady has appeared...lol
that assumption assumes they do not achieve any business success..and their mission is to squeeze out shares on unsuspecting buyers on promise but no fulfillment,,,,,
I however feel the releases are real..the biz is real...and that revs will drive cap....well above here
we shall see