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Yeah and our Congress still has yet to learn how to work together for the betterment of the country.
I wish I had more confidence that LFBG management truly had an end game in sight that benefits both the company and investors. Things take money yes, but I just don't understand why things took such a drastic downturn following the Nov. 16 webinar. The stock had so much promise.
That's a lot of shares. There was a guy on this board a few months ago called USAAgent or something like that who said he sent a package to Warren Buffett. We can see how well that turned out eh?
Also, how come some millionaire or billionaire doesn't just put down say $5 million, buy up all the shares and simply sell them afterward for a 20 or 30 bagger?
Thanks Scott. I appreciate that and am continuing to try and add to my learning. Is it absolutely impossible for LFBG to move out of the OTC board onto NASDAQ or NYSE? I know Troy discussed that in the past. Also, is he issuing all these shares to simply ensure the company survives or could he be using the shares for a big offensive towards profitability. I would hope the latter however the continual reliance on common stock sales to pay back debts is a concern to me. I am not really sure where this company goes from here.
Thanks for all your input Scott12! It seems that people are more willing to share information and receive real answers here versus the Yahoo Board. I see a lot of personal attacks there to include unnecessary bashing as well as unnecessary pumping.
Thanks for reminding me of their previous marketing plan iwantmoney. I had forgot about their church marketing campaign.
I'd love to see LFBG buy back some shares and find an institutional investor willing to buy shares as well. I've been in penny's for just under a year and at one point believed this company was really going to shine. With all the debt and dilution, I'm just not sure. I do feel that the company has a chance for moderate success but the latest 10K has me worried as I see way more bills than opportunities. I hope I'm wrong but I am trying to see how LFBG can become a true contender 5 years from now. I guess anything can happen though but as of right now, I'm down almost $10 grand and it hurts.
Thanks Scott for all your continued insight. I must admit, my eyes glossed over for a long time but I'm beginning to see the reality of the situation. By any chance do you think the financial market hits have affected this at all?
Part of me still cannot believe that LFBG does not understand the need to really market the heck out of these games. I'd be surprised if Troy doesn't start a serious marketing campaign in the next month or two. We need some spicyness going into the fall.
I agree too that it's all about the marketing. Troy also mentioned timing during the November webinar of last year. He said he was making a game based on an old Bible character during that webinar. I do not see an old testament character in any of the upcoming 7 video games. Maybe Troy is preparing for that one breakout game to really change this landscape. If that happens we could all be in for good tidings.
I for one am kind of tired of continual discussions of financing and diluted shares. I want to hear more about game releases, marketing efforts, and support from additional investors or celebrities.
I wish I had sold some at .012 last November. I was very new to penny stocks back then and thought the company was about to take off. Unfortunately that didn't happen.
Perhaps LFBG is too far down into the hole and the current economy situation is not helping. Scott do you think a company buyout would be good at this point?
I'd love to see it too. I believe we need a legitimate company to buy out LFBG, change the landscape, benefit the shareholders, while pushing out Christian games in a way it has never been done before.
Does anyone think that it might be a good idea for EA Sports, Konomi, or some other large video game company to buy out Left Behind Games and produce Christian games themselves? Is this truly a profitable business venture to be in for the right management team or is the lack of success due to the way this management has run the company.
Just wanted to see what everyone thought. Thanks...
Scott12, do you think we have a chance to reach .012 again this Christmas if LFBG does a good marketing of its games and does more theater advertising and radio spots? I would love to see it since I've obtained almost 5 million shares since these lows. I only had about 1.5 million shares back when it went to .012 and didn't sell when I should have.
Also, what do you think are some of the things Troy could do to right this ship? Do you think he's really doing all he can or is he simply out of his league with the business management world? It seems that there are a lot of overwhelming odds facing the company with the biggest being the reliance on shares for financing and the payments to business partners/vendors.
I value your opinion and insight and thank you in advance for your time.
Scott your insight both here and on the Yahoo board has been immeasurable and just as valuable as iwantmoney, Varok and noquit's. Thanks for providing an objective view and keeping everyone level-headed.
That is a great idea about more marketing on YouTube, Twitter etc. Heck, singers like Drake and Nicki Minaj became famous off of social media. There is tremendous power there. I hope that Lken is taking advantage of it. Did you run your idea to the head honchos at the Accubrite webpage?
I agree. A simple commercial would do wonders, especially since it was advertised so much at the beginning of the year. Of course a nice corporate partnership (i.e. IBM, Xerox, United Airlines etc...) would be a great thing to hear about.
I hope some TV commercials happen soon. I just have my doubts about the true success of the MLM approach. TV deals should at least get LKEN to .003 or more.
So what's next for LFBG? Do we receive an avalanche of information over the next few months? Since the PR about the new games and cancellation of the webinar earlier in the year, there really hasn't been a lot of news about what's going on other than financial issues and hirings.
We were told at the time that subsequent information would be released but really haven't seen anything regarding operational growth. I guess MyPraise 2.0 and the 7 new games are the next items to be discussed. I'd be surprised if we didn't hear more about these two items in the next 2 - 3 months as we head into the Christmas season.
Here's hoping for a move back to .005 or above.
I agree. I just sent a copy of my post to Accubrite/Greene Concepts for review. Hopefully they are working on some of those ideas. The hospital/healthcare industry alone would be a $$$ saver especially to save on referral letters and patient charting.
Awesome!!!! You should contact Accubrite and let them know about your ideas, especially w/the commercial accounts. Imagine if they found a way for companies to save on HP ink cartridges for their Laser printers. Companies like P&G and IBM would flourish without having to purchase ink all the time. Also, there is another huge segment that if they used ink refills would bring the company into the stratosphere. Imagine if hospitals and smaller healthcare centers used the refills. Also health insurance companies like United Healthcare, Kaiser, Blue Cross/Blue Shield etc... If the healthcare industry gets ahold of this, imagine the savings they would have in printing/mailing referrals and health statements.
In addition, if Green Concepts would market to the military, they print a lot of paper there all the time. The military and other government contracts would also put the company on the map!
This talk of filing, grey markets etc... is exactly what I was referring to last night. It's okay to talk about for a small amount of time but let's focus on how we can help create success and excitement in this company! What is everyone doing to help spread the word about the games. Have you notified any media outlets, told a co-worker, told your pastor?
I think that's awesome Patrick. I've received several messages from Troy Lyndon and so have others. Hopefully he'll get back to you soon. It can't hurt also to follow up with an actual job application on the link I sent you. Then when Troy does respond you could tell him to review your application. Also, if you have a webpage with some work you've done, it might not hurt to send him a link.
I think you're well on your way. I'd continue to send him additional ideas you and your friends have because the company is responsive.
When you look at their prior PR's and 8k's as well as review their webinars, the company has stated they are trying to get to the leading edge. Sort of reminds me how a quarterback passes to a wide receiver. He passes the ball to where the receiver will be, not where the receiver is now. I think that's what LFBG is trying to do in having a couple of games on Nintendo Wii but also shooting for online games as well. That's just my take. I like it Patrick. Troy said he liked the ideas I sent in about the 25 different games. Cash flow is the issue, but it sounds like if funding were no issue we'd have over 100 quality 3D LFBG games on the market now!
If you can find a way for the games to get additional exposure at minimal cost, guarantee that would get you a front row seat to Troy's office probably!
Sounds like a plan. Also here is a direct link to the LFBG Career's page. http://www.leftbehindgames.com/Careers.php
Sounds a plan and sounds like you have a lot of development experiences. Here is a direct page to LFBG's contact page. You can select 'Investor' as the type of message and it will go directly to the CEO:
http://www.leftbehindgames.com/ContactUs.php
That's awesome to hear. Who says we have to wait until Christmas to have those 'Warm Fuzzy Feelings' anyway? Heck, if everyone would simply do their part to help promote the stock, we all would win. Simply discussing the stock price, 144 paper, financial backing, and dilution, while important, does not create the sort of energy we need.
We need to discuss ideas for games, who else we could help market this to, ideas to help to company, throw out ideas some of us have sent to the company so other minds on this board can be clicking.
I will tell you this. Last fall several weeks before the Nov. 16 webinar, I sent in an idea for a game that I believe will really put LFBG on the map if it gets released which involves a 3D likeness of an old testament character in 3rd person action related sequences. To my surprise he referred to the development of a similiar character at the 4:55 mark of the webinar. Everyone kept focusing on the end of the webinar and the lack of specific details. I focused on the 4:55 mark. If LFBG launches an idea similiar to the one I proposed (which based on that webinar they might do), this will not be the same company.
That is the reason along with helping promote the Christian Community, for my involvement in LFBG. As I obtain a few hundred dollars here and there, I am investing. Yes, 7 new games are being launched but I believe Troy is waiting for the right funding, the right retail channels, and other right opportunities to launch a game similiar to the one I mentioned earlier. No game with this character has ever successfully been released and is, I believe, the next biggest thing next to making a game starring Jesus himself as the lead character.
In my e-mail last fall, I even told the company that an idea like that might even compete with the big boys as far as interest. To my surprise again, that 4:55 mark in the webinar solidified it for me that they are working on it. Troy mentioned that if even one of their games hits it big, they will receive hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. This game of the old testament character could be the one to put them on that map.
While everyone focuses on many of the negative things happening in the company right now, I am focusing on that. One of the questions I also asked Troy in a recent 8K is if LFBG has a business plan. Troy stated they have a 5 year plan. 2012, 2013 and 2014 could be different years for this company than where they are today.
Hopefully soon, the company won't have to spend so much attention on the financial piece and can get back to simply creativity. Troy's response to the 8K about his ultimate Christian game let me know that his creative juices are still in overdrive. We as an investment community should be feeding those juices and send him all the ideas we can instead of complaining about the current share price, dilution, etc... EagleTallon and Biko were correct to conjur up interest by getting the shareholders more involved. People should be promoting the games at their churches or simply sending their church web developers a link to LFBG along with a sentence or two of support. That all it takes. Many celebrities have Twitter, Facebook, and MySpace. A simple few sentences and a link to LFBG is all it takes. If word gets to the right person who knows someone who knows someone, perhaps it can get into the hands of someone with a lot of resources and a passion for Christian games. That individual contacts Troy, booya, instant large investor support. Then that large investor knows other large investors....
The sky could indeed be the limit and it all starts with us. We should all hit the phones, the Internet, our friends, our collegues and promote the heck out of this thing and help Troy out. Then WE ALL win in the end. In the words of Arsenio Hall --- "LET'S GET BUSY"!!!!!!
I believe you are correct iwantmoney17. I actually became aware of this stock late-September of 2010 by simply typing in random symbols in my Schwab account. I had read many of the Left Behind books previously and decided to take another look. It was the first time I had ever invested in a penny stock. I did not sell any shares after the run-up in November.
I found this iHub LFBG board in October of last year shortly afterward and was impressed by what I was reading by guys like EagleTalon and Biko who tried to encourage everyone to promote LFBG anyway they can: radio, Internet, word-of-mouth. I took their challenge and sent e-mails to several of the pastors I mentioned earlier as well as some national and local radio stations. I even went to Christian webpages such as Charisma and some international Christian pages to tell them about LFBG. I also sent a message through Tim Tebow's webpage and even Oprah Winfrey's site. Some of the local radio stations responded that they would look into the company more to my excitement.
I found EagleTalon especially refreshing as he promoted LFBG among his deployed breatheren while in Afghanistan. I was deployed to Afghanistan a couple of years beforehand so I could identify. I had also received several e-mails from Troy and Jerome Miklovich about the positives of LFBG and then sent in ideas for about 25 different Christian games LFBG could do and received thanks for doing so. All of this occurred while the stock price kept going up.
Last October and November, this board was so positive, especially compared to the yahoo board. It seemed like we were all a band of brothers in the fight to move LFBG over the hump. The webinar on Nov. 16 was a minor shock but many of us were still encouraged due to the Christmas season and the pending movie commercials and radio spots. Everything seemed to be on the move up. Then people began to wonder about the $$$ for the 3rd Q sales ending Dec. 30. They were late which took us into mid-March. Once those were released, we heard about LFBG's record sales of over $1 million, but also the company initiating a lawsuit, Modessa's $10 million funding (a good thing in my book), than the increase in outstanding shares to 10 Billion. I saw the stock price drop big time and became concerned.
Then Troy noted he would start doing Q & A's. I sent in about 25 questions, most of which were answered on the May 16 8K in which he answered questions of mine to include "Do you read message boards?" to "Describe the ultimate Christian game if money were no object?" to "How could investors help you more?" to "If you had the ear of a millionaire how could they best help you?" I wanted the focus to get back on the games and the creation of them, and creativity and I felt in a small way, I helped to do that for everyone. The Q & A's stopped and we heard nothing except news of added LFBG executive members for about two months which leads us to where we are now.
I am still encouraged despite the many challenges the company faces. I feel that God led me to find this company and that in a small way I can support it and possibly assist in promoting/helping the company grow. If I can make $$$ to help not only the company but also my family, all the better, but I have helped promote for my Christian family. I purchased several of the games and even gave some as gifts. I informed the company that their products were not properly displayed in Wal-mart, Family Christian, or other stores. The games were either on bottom shelves, in a hard to see location, or in the far back of the store on the bottom shelf. I wanted to inform the company of the poor retail displays so they could address them, receive better display opportunities and garner increased sales. The company appreciated that information from the street.
I have purchased more shares at this level in the hopes that one day the company will really turn around. I fully support the company and have wrote them on a few occasions of other things I feel would support them or ideas to improve a PR to improve the excitement of shareholders without violating SEC regulations. I felt so strongly about this stock that I even did a paper on it for my MBA class and even sent the company an idea I heard in my Economics class about marketing to China and India which contain 40% of the world's population.
This might be a huge success story down the road. The stock price is important, however I wish this board would get back garnering ideas to better promote the stock that they own like we did last fall with EagleTalon, Biko and others. Troy mentioned in his Q & A's that he would like for shareholders to help him out whether it be spreading the word, contacting businesses, contacting pastors, or simply informing radio stations about the games. One person can make a difference. How much more could 1,000 or 5,000 make?
I felt it necessary to inform everyone of this to hopefully spurn each other to action to receive not only monetary success but the success of spreading God's word to others. God bless you iwantmoney17 and everyone else who reads this.
I'm not encouraged by the news either. I remember Troy noting in one of the Q & A's that he is a straight shooter and will put the good in with the bad. Most of the news is not encouraging I would agree. The SEC problems does help explain why we heard nothing from the company for several months.
Hopefully the $10 million in financing can be used to help really grow the business, get the games into more retail locations, and develop some more action games that appeals to more gamers. I agree that games are needed for the 12 and under, however I wonder if the company truly understands the need to market to the 13 - 25 year old audience with good action sequences and characters. Simply using graphics similiar to D.C. Universe Online would help sell more games.
There are 7 new games hitting the market later this year, yet I am puzzled about the talk of possible more shares and how more shares protects the investor. More deals, higher sales avenues, more church sponsorship, more TV/movie commercials, and increased radio spots would help. If Joel Osteen, Bishop Jakes, Joyce Meyers, Charles Stanley, or one of the other big time ministers helps promote this, that would greatly help. Even some large investors would help. Last November the company had so much momentum and buzz, had more specifics been provided during the seminar along with quarterly webinars, I believe investors would have felt better. Putting almost 7 billion into the O/S is not good for investors. Also, despite valid outside challenges, it would have been nice to hear Troy mention some things that he would like to improve upon that he did not do so well on in the past.
I support the company and feel the product and ideas are good ones. The products just need to speak more for themselves and have more quality. Quality products alone (3D graphics, cool packaging, 1st/3rd person action) will help LFBG. It would be nice if LFBG had a contest for ideas of a future game. That would bring about a lot of buzz and make people feel more included.
Hopefully we'll hear about TV commercials and new retail vendors in the near future. Some financial statements would be nice too!
Looks like Schwab is not trading this either.
Playfully happy, you post some great points. The only info we have received lately has been the addition of personnel. It's been a few months since we had any information regarding operations. There is a chance that LFBG has focused so much on the financial piece that once they file, they will then focus on PR's. In e-mails late last year and earlier this year, LFBG has told me they are focusing on additional retail outlet distributions. I also know they are focusing on online sales. Who knows what is happening with this company. With the advent of all the extra shares, I hope they have a plan to use it to garner additional partnerships or some big player buyers. Also, it would be great to see additional sponsorship by some big time pastors or celebrities or even a plan on how they plan to promote the upcoming games through Wal-mart and additional advantages through MyPraise. I guess there is always the possibility that this is the calm before the storm. It's hard to tell. If LFBG could push the advertising like they did last winter (movies, commercials etc...) this could be something special. Let's just hope that the knew executives he has brought in really come through for us. I remember reading a PR from 2010 that one of the management team members believed this should be a $300 million company. We shall see. The potential is there if they do it right. More substantial PR's would be welcomed at this point as, like you, I am very frusterated at the share price.
We need to hear some news soon.
Any thoughts on when and how LFBG will penetrate the market with their new releases? I assume they can still showcase them at Wal-mart. Hopefully that is part of their negotiations. Would be great to hear about other retail interest or other buyer avenues. It's getting kind of old to hear about new team members coming on board.
We heard all about radio impressions and movie ads in late-2011. I'd like to hear more about increased commercials on radio and movie. I'm not sure why LFBG is not continuing to market itself in this manner, especially with the new games set to release. Perhaps they have a marketing campaign in place for the fall/winter. I sure hope so. LFBG not only needs buzz from shareholders but it really needs to kick the door down and really market itself to churches as a positive alternative. I'm sure churches would love to advertise these games if given the chance.
I agree. Focusing on the current products and MyPraise is the first order of business. If the current retail stores would place LFBG products where more people would see them, that would be great. Also, if churches could link their pages to LFBG that would be great too. Since they have a footing on TBN, I think that is where I would start doing more advertising and get a link on the TBN page to LFBG. Then hopefully, a big time pastor will get on board.
I for one would like to hear more ideas from everyone about things they would like to see LFBG do over the next 5 years. This includes potential mergers, partnerships, retail outlets, website sale locations and possible new games they would like to see developed. It would just be cool to see what everyone would like to see over the next 60 months. Who knows, the company may latch onto some of our ideas, implement them, and everyone would benefit.
Yeah, that was a true debacle with Rite-Aid. Relying on a single person who leaves which destroys the whole deal is crazy. If they do things right, the company could have a fantastic future. I hope they are gearing for a big time push in the near future.
Thanks for letting me know about that. I did not know the Q & A's were stopped. At least we had them for a little while. Hopefully some additional news comes out in droves over the next couple of months. We need to hear something other than "we just hired so & so." I'd like to hear something like "Wal-mart agreed to take all of our games upon release this fall", "big name pastor agrees to help spread the word about the games", new partnership formed with Konomi/EA Sports to market games, or "GameStop, BestBuy, and EB Games are now carriers of the games." With all this silence from LFBG, my hope is they are spending more time developing partnerships, retail expansion, or improved ways to sell the games versus spending all their resources trying to fix their previous finances. Fixing previous finances is important but what are they doing today and going-forward? I've taken a loss on this stock big time and I believe in the company. It's time to do things right and for LFBG to do whatever necessary to get sales above $10 million per year and for this stock to get above .001.
New retail, TV Commercial, and partnership deals would be great to hear about now. I'll bet some big time news really moves this stock.
I thought LFBG was going to do monthly Q & A's for the shareholders. News has been very quiet for the last few months.
I agree that MSLP is gaining a lot of momentum. Right now, MSLP needs to continue focusing on marketing and really get the word out about itself. Some commercials on Spike TV should really help the company. The GNC placement will help too. Now that they have a new president, hopefully he can assist with the Internet marketing since he had so much success at Bodybuilding.com.