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Jour, with your knowledge of publicly traded companies, can you think of other examples of CEO's who maintain a second private company for the purpose of doing business with the primary company? IMO, this is highly irregular, and under normal circumstances, neither the BOD nor the general counsel/regulatory officer would allow something like that to happen. Since 2013, Elite shareholders have had to accept multiple dubious deals with Mikah without any way to make a true assessment of the quality of the deals because of the private, secretive nature of Mikah. Trimipramine is a perfect example. The ANDA was purchased by Mikah to shield Elite shareholders from the purchase price, then it was sold to Elite two weeks later at a substantially-inflated price. The original 13 ANDA's for $10M is the exact same. Just how obnoxiously-inflated the cost was is impossible to know- because Mikah. What BOD would stand for this? Now its happening again with Adderall.
It's time to expect better from Elite management. And, frankly, it's time to expect better from Elite shareholders, too. Spine up.
We were going to get into this next week, but as usual, NASDAQ pushes the envelope. Let's discuss.
Nasrat says he hopes Elite gets full ownership of the Adderall ANDA's, and I believe him. In terms of a buyout, Nasrat would want 100% of Adderall $$ recorded as Elite revenue, which then would enjoy the magical multiplication benefits of the PE ratio. But here's the wrinkle- he can do it at the last minute and still get the full benefit. I guarantee when Nasrat does get around to letting Elite have that revenue, it will be a split second before the start of a fiscal year. Until then, it is to Nasrat's benefit to let his baby MIKAH continue to suckle at the Adderall teet. MIKAH grows fat and strong, helping out Elite whenever possible with a discarded ANDA at "friend" prices, on credit. Meanwhile, Elite continues to languish without enough revenue to support even a dime of share price, for years on end. Shareholder dilution continues to support limited R&D budgets. Concerta delayed for 1 year, 2 years, 3... Elite stays weak and gimpy until Nasrat says otherwise.
Why should Nasrat get to personally benefit from Adderall while Elite shareholders sit in a ditch hoping for scraps? I can understand why Nasrat hates me, but why does Nasrat hate NASDAQ?
If you don't care about the share price, then stop reading. If you do care about SP, then we need all the income we can get. It's too late to save the opioid ANDA's from Nasrat's deranged pruning spree, but it's not too late to save the Adderalls. The sooner the better. I'm going to try to do something about it. In the end, I may be powerless to affect real change, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try. I'll at least know I stood up for myself. It's time to expect better from Elite management.
It seems like a lot of money for an old ANDA, but the salesman said it was barely used and had been kept in a garage and only driven to church on Sundays by a little old lady from Poughkeepsie.
IB, I'm no kind of specialist in business strategy, so it may be that I haven't had the correct Risk Analysis seminar yet. Maybe someone with that training could help me understand.
Elite 2019 1. Trace money in bank. 2. Trace income. 3. No access to capital. 4. Historic low share price. 5. Going concern. 6. $20M burn rate. 7. Discontinued 5 opioid ANDA's worth up to $50M/yr due to concern of being sued for legal behavior in a highly-regulated industry. 8. Sold off 4 opioid ANDAs for a fraction of the cost to develop them.
For me, the decisions that Nasrat made about opioids are ludicrous. The whole scenario is so bizarre that it has the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY, especially considering the secretive private pharma that was supposedly shut down years ago.
Nasrat says: I had to dump the opioids before I started acting so illegally and egregiously that the company is sued. I just couldn't be trusted to commercialize and sell opioids like the majority of manufacturers who haven't been sued. The private deals I am making with my other secret company are completely unrelated.
I don't think they've had them long enough to commercialize yet, especially since they didn't do any of the bioequivalence tests or other proofing studies. We did all that, the shareholders, through dilution. But if you like the feeling of a gut-punch, feel free to look up our Norco and Percocet ANDA's in the FDA Orange Book, now listed under Nostrum ownership.
What would Percocet and Norco have done last year? 100% Elite owned. $20M? $30M? $50M?
What was the R&D for Percocet, Norco, methadone, Tylenol #3? (All filed in 2016 or after.) $10M? 20M? How many shares was that? 150M? 250M?
And, again, if anyone can make me understand why we bashed in the skulls of our geese that lay the golden eggs, I still don't get it. Expensive friggin geese.
Thanks for reading, and thanks for asking. I will see how I do and then make further decisions about my position. Here are my goals:
1. Ongoing oversight with an independent auditor for both Elite & Mikah who will guarantee that material events for Mikah are reported to Elite shareholders.
2. Establish the details of the Adderall Purchase Agreement between Mikah and SunGen, including and especially any partners or financing involved.
3. Establish a protocol for the transfer of the Adderall ANDA's from Mikah to Elite and immediately begin the protocol.
It is time to expect better from Elite management. Stay tuned, more to come...
Dianne's job is to insulate them from you. She is powerless to do anything other than give you the run around. I have no intention of involving Dianne in anything I will be doing to try to establish real corporate oversight at Elite. It is time to expect better from Elite management, including the officers and board members (but not Dianne).
A little research will prove that Hanlon's Razor appeared on my footnote before it appeared in your recent post. I look forward to when you have an opportunity to address any of the issues that I am raising.
And this is the one I was aiming for:
adjective: gross 4. general or large-scale; not fine or detailed. "at the gross anatomical level"
It started on day #1 with a 10 million promissory note for 13 low-volume generics, and it never stopped. Extravagant interest rates, free warrants for share conversions, lots of secret, self-dealing with Mikah. It continues to this day, including the corporate theft of our extremely valuable assets in the form of opioid ANDAS. Now he is using control of Adderall ANDAS to once again fleece the shareholders and extract even more personal wealth from the company.
Nasrat is the reason this stock will not increase in price. Does everyone remember how volatile this stock used to be? It was actually fun to own and watch, but now it's just a bloated pig slowly sinking lower in the mud. 500 million shares wasted on half-baked ADF efforts and opioid ANDAS, without a penny of income to show for it. It is not a mystery why the PPS no longer does anything but grind down. Nasrat's shiny new LPC dilution machine (with a 3 cent floor!!) will not help this.
It is no longer possible to believe that if Nasrat does well then I will do well. The failure of this company is not entirely due to Nasrat's miserable leadership skills. It is also the result of his unethical extraction of personal wealth for himself and his pharma bros through constant self-dealing with Mikah. It is time to expect better from Elite management, and that includes all the company officers and board members. They all have an obligation to prevent malfeasance, and it is time for them to wake up.
Since nothing in the entire dissertation addresses anything I've said over the past 2 days, I'm not sure what this Q&A is meant to address (or when). It's not any of the points I've brought up. (Shareholder Rights Agreement of 2013?? Really????) But please, don't hesitate to eventually address some of this stuff. There is still plenty more to talk about, and such a milquetoast response was a real disappointment, tbh. A more spirited discussion would be helpful for all.
Now let's work and try to recover something instructive from this gross verbosity. Ah, yes, here's something:
ELTP BOARD POLL QUESTION Annual revenue in FY2020 was 18M, but what should it have been?
Reply with your response. What if Nasrat had commercialized each of the opioid ANDA's as they were approved? What if all 5 opioids had full year sales?
Buddy Berk!!! As far as I can tell, Buddy Berk is no longer President of Nostrum, but it seems like he was at the time our opioids were stolen. He does seem to still be on board of Nostrum affiliate inspirX.
I apologize. Farbeit from me to suggest Elite shareholders were not fairly and equitably treated by Nostrum Pharma. I am sure the highest level of ethical deliberation was applied to the transaction.
I still can't believe they're gone. Poof. After years of development and millions of dollars-- sold for pennies without any discussion. I make business and personal decisions the same way I make medical decisions. Step One is to analyze the risks & benefits. What was a bigger risk for our company? Our auditor called us a going concern because of lack of income and lack of access to capital. Our low, low share price makes our current capital access through LPC extremely dilutive. Elite shareholders have already seen their positions diluted by 2X. This company was and is desperate for any source of income, and Nasrat refuses to commercialise these highly-lucrative assets. And then he dumps them out the back door so his NJ pharma bro can come by and load them up.
After everything Elite has gone through at his direction, Nasrat decided the bigger risk for our company was being sued for perfectly legal behavior in a highly-regulated business. Who can help me understand this? For me, I can only see the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
I'd be very interested to hear from any investors who think this sounds legit. If this seems like an above-board, arm's length, righteous business deal, then please reply with further explanation. For me, I can only see the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
Elite paid Mikah $1.2M for trimipramine, a 60-year-old tricyclic anti-depressant with annual sales ~$2M. Like all TCA's, trimipramine is on the Beer's List due to anticholinergic effects. I hadn't heard of it since medical school, and I've certainly never prescribed it. I can't imagine any circumstance in which I, as a PCP and board-certified internist, would ever write for a single dose of trimipramine for anyone. On the other hand, over the course of my career, I've written literally 1000's of prescriptions for IR generic opioids. They are a mainstay of modern medical treatment. So how'd we do?
Huh. Elite paid Mikah $1.2M for #1 drug with two million dollar sales, and Nostrum paid Elite $1.2M for #4 IR opioids with annual sales worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It begs the question: is there a business relationship between Nostrum and Mikah? What about with Epic Investments?
This is an example of how Nasrat does himself and shareholders a disservice by withholding information that could easily overcome the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. It is time to demand better from Elite management.
That's the question, isn't it? I have some ideas, but we need to work together to develop specific goals. We need to express ourselves in ways that will affect REAL change. We need to make Elite management understand that we're here to stay and this problem will not "just disappear."
Why does it matter? Mikah purchased trimipramine ANDA 077361 from Allergan in August 2016 as a part of a huge divestiture for Actavis merger. The price Mikah paid in August 2016 is unknown. Elite paid Mikah $1.2M just 8 months later through an undisclosed Promissory Note. How'd we do? Why wasn't Elite involved in the original deal? Why was a distribution agreement negotiated between Mikah and Dr. Reddy literally a few days before the sale to Elite?
This is an example of how Nasrat does himself and shareholders a disservice by withholding information that could easily overcome the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. It is time to demand better from Elite management.
The signature page of the bill of sale for trimipramine @ $1.2M. Why doesn't Nasrat sign for both sides? The details of the Promissory Note are confidential. No specific sales numbers for trimipramine have ever been released, as far as I know.
Here is an SEC filing between MIKAH and Dr. Reddy. The details show that MIKAH's agreement with Actavis to distribute trimipramine ended in May 2016. Mikah and Dr. Reddy entered this exclusive rights agreement on May 4, 2017. MIKAH then sold the trimipramine ANDA to Elite two weeks later on May 22, 2017. As I recall, this was billed as a "favor" from Nasrat to Elite. The relationship between Elite and Dr. Reddy ended quickly and abruptly for unknown reasons. It certainly has the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
Nasrat is playing two hands at the same table, but deal after deal after deal the MIKAH hand wins and the Elite hand loses. It doesn't take long before the MIKAH pile of chips is overflowing off the table and the ELITE chips are completely spent. Sure it could be just dumb luck that MIKAH wins every hand and Elite loses every hand, but casino odds don't usually work that way. Some of these recent business deals (and not so recent) by Elite and MIKAH have the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. As usual, Nasrat is doing himself and shareholders a major disservice by refusing to provide any details, and he alone is responsible for the APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
It is time for this to stop. It is time for Elite shareholders to demand more and better from Nasrat on this issue. It is time to stop blindly believing every ounce of verbal diarrhea that comes out of his mouth like it is gospel. It is time to get active.
The only post that said anything about MIKAH owning 100% came from YOU. I'll be glad defend what I say, and I'll protect my words from people who try to change them into something else.
Revisionist history. Go back and prove it for yourself. The PR said it was bioequivalent, and it wasn't. You can find the link. I never said anything about Elite not owning 50%, so I refuse to allow you to frame this as part of my argument. You're the only one who said it, not me. Elite owns 50% and MIKAH owns 50%, and I never said MIKAH owns 100%.
I notice you're more concerned with my investment decisions than the things I posted today. This is your second reply about my investments and without addressing any of the important, factual points about the company. Do you have an opinion about anything besides me?
I currently own 2.5 million shares of ELTP, and as a long-term investor, I am happy to express & defend my opinions of Elite management whenever and however I chose. Any factual disagreement with anything I said?
I absolutely do not need any more cheap shares, nor do these shares require my assistance to be cheap. Brutal honesty is not a change in my tune, and I invite you to spend some time with my post history.
First of all, there is an obvious lack of understanding of how Xtampza got approved. It never should have been. It was still subject to patent infringement over the 12 hour oxy formula. One single judge bought Collegium's argument about the VENUE and dismissed the case. Before Purdue could re-file in the proper court, FDA took the opportunity to approve the drug. As far as I know, they've never done anything like that before or since. Why did they do it? Xtampza is just better in multiple ways, but it is much better to prevent chewing/oral dose dumping. They made a better product, and the FDA found a way. But legally it never should have been approved. Once it was approved, a judge refused to give an injunction to stop it, but it is possible that Collegium will still have to write a very large check to Purdue.
In other words, let's stop pretending that Xtampza's Stardust Approval was a typical event. By the normal rules, that drug would still be tied up in court.
This question has been answered REPEATEDLY. ER is MUCH more involved to prove safety and efficacy. IR= Quick & Easy, ER= Long & difficult. And which ER would he do? Oxy/Naltrexone ER was not possible because Pfizer's exclusivity. Morphine/Naltrexone ER was already a failure. I suggested several times that Dilaudid/Naltrexone ER would be a unique and interesting product, but that would have required substantially more time & money than Oxy IR.
The fatty meal issue and the bioequivalence issue are the exact same issue. Zombie SequestOx was never bioequivalent. As my previous research proved, the FDA never paid any attention to FED pharmacokinetics for ANDA (generic) oxycodone. Not a labeling issue but rather just didn't pay attention to it. But NDA's are different. Purdue had just gone down in flames at AdComm for their ADF oxy IR because of the exact same issue, lack of FED bioequivalence.
That is nonsense. First of all, I don't believe that bullcrap story and never have. Exquisite notes are taken during those FDA meetings ON BOTH SIDES, and those notes are exchanged so there is no confusion. If that were true, Nasrat would be able to easily release the notes of the meeting and prove his case, which he never has. I am not aware of these MANY OTHER DRUGS in which a lack of bioequivalence is handled with a labeling change. Can someone name a few? Name one? He failed to recognize an NDA app would not be treated with the same kid gloves as an ANDA app. The reason he didn't was because his head was up Camargo's butt while their hands were in both our pockets. I bet it was CAMARGO who spun him the tale about a labeling change, and NOT the FDA.
The brilliance of the SequestOx idea is that it would be a quick and easy way to get the 2 bead system on the market. It never was going to be a blockbuster, but it would have been a great flagship. When it ceased being quick and easy, it ceased being smart, but years later and after millions more, we were still blowing through shares pursuing it. Doubling and then tripling down on a bad bet. And we have literally NOTHING to show for it, except maybe Nasrat got a patent out of it, again at our expense. Meanwhile, through his own incompetence and stink of failure, Nasrat lets the share count go too high and share price fall too low, so that he gets his dilution machine taken away. When he finally does make a positive pivot to the CNS stimulants, he has to fund the R&D with sketchy Chinese government money. The only two worthy assets Nasrat has ever brought to Elite are Adderall and Adderall XR, and who owns them now? Mother-lovin' MIKAH. No kidding. Elite doesn't have a pot to piss in, other than 450M newly-authorized shares and a shiny, new dilution machine, but freakin' MIKAH owns the Adderalls. Didn't we already merge with that company in 2013?
Don't worry, all, Nasrat says he really hopes Elite is able to acquire the Adderall ANDAS some day. More on that to come....
What FDA circumstances are we referring to? What did the FDA do wrong? It was Nasrat who wasted millions of dollars and multiple years on Zombie SequestOx, despite knowing from the start it was not bioequivalent. (And despite what he told investors in a PR). FDA had nothing to do with the time & money wasted on the applesauce escapades. FDA did not screw up the reformulated bead, after another year and a few million dollars more. Nasrat did have a great idea of calling on an expert formulator to get the third attempt correct. Too bad he didn't have that idea 5 years and 500 million shares sooner. That bead now sits collecting dust, except for the lawyers fees going toward Nasrat's vanity patent application.
It was bad policy from the FDA that caused the demise of the 2-bead ADF versions of Norco and Percocet, but I gave Nasrat great credit for recovering those expenses by filing ANDA's for generic Norco and Percocet. We spent substantial sums getting those drugs approved, along with our own ANDA for methadone, and before we could recover any of our investment, they got sold off for pennies on the dollar, along with our generic Dilaudid. These bread & butter ANDA's would be adding very nice revenue right now. Not one responsible manufacturer of generic opioids has been sued by anyone. What bullshit.
Nasrat may yet lead this company to the promised land, but please spare me the infallible savior complex. Jeebus, Nasrat somehow even manages to turn our successes into failures. I bought shares last year for 6.5 cents, same price I paid 6 years ago, except back then there were only 340 million outstanding shares and now there are 840 million. Looks like I'll have the same opportunity this week. So "FDA circumstances" had nothing to do with Nasrat wasting 500 million shares from the treasury with ZERO shareholder value to show for it.
Separating the true scientists at Antigen from the true dufuses (dufi?) at Generex is overdue by at least five years. We can only hope the leaders at Antigen will have true independence from the perpetual penny-stockers at Generex.
This is 2 different manufacturers. If you look at your pills, do you have 2 different types of tablets in the bottle? IMO, this is the worst thing a pharmacy could do to you, especially if they didn't mention it. At the least, the pharmacist should have given you the option to do a partial fill now and come back in a week for the rest of the tablets from a consistent source. I would call and ask to speak to the pharmacist (NOT the pharm tech) about this.