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That is a pickaxe miner and we will be open pit with minscule labor costs. No comparison.
Typical pull back for this time of day.
Pinky Gold Corp is tanking too. Geotubes and U.S. Mining probs will have nothing to compete with SAEIE.
CJ! You were telling us to quit asking for News when we dropped back to .025 and .032. Remember? We have had 2 great PRs since then. As for the prospect of more shares showing up, if it is true, (and I have my doubts and not for the reasons that you may suspect) then I find that thoroughly encouraging because it means we shareholders still hold value for the company and they will want to keep us around.
You are telling us that you suddenly woke up and discovered all of this and left when it got to .125 but you also said that you tried to support the price at .15. I can make allowances for fever at the the time but we trusted you and you said you were leaving because of shorting not because of dilution. Shorting is pretty much baked-in at this point in time so the change of tune, spin control, or whatever this is, seems to be counter to the interests of those of us who own, be we old or new owners.
I am not attacking you. You know that I didn't believe Gonzi when she said you were an MM. If asking for news or VERT to drop or the new SS is just a way to save face for your return, there is no reason to go through all of that. We welcome you any time that you want to hop in.
I haven't forgotten in the least how much you helped so I don't think you need a special reminder how each tic up cost us money. Why give that up just to do it again? The board may need a special reminder that you have a following and if you are calling for lower support then we need to refute your assertions just like anybody else who shows up here not realizing the true value of SAEIE shares. I wouldn't expect you to be in and saying these things but I truly believe that you are a much better trader than to need to do what you are doing at the moment. I personally will be glad to see you back on your own terms but please do so without inducing fear during what was to be a very promising week ahead.
The stock will rise each day and settle within the Bollinger Bands because that is where traders and MMs will take us. Asking for lower prices just means that we have lost yet another day getting to where we deserve to be. I would like to put the penny players behind us and get to a level where institutions like to buy in.
It's nice of anybody to admit that, at the top, they can't stop the sells. Who could? It's fine if somebody doesn't want to buy back in now. Who cares? We are not likely to welcome weak hands in here, as we would like to see strong accumulations. So, saying that all it takes is VERT to scare somebody off is about as cool as saying that all it took was three MMs on the same ASK to scare somebody off a couple of weeks ago. See where I am going with this?
The real longs here are interested in strength and those who proclaimed being long and bailed are not likely to garner much of a following from them in the near term. Having held, worked on the board and sold at a loss gives nobody a special pass when it comes to trying to hammer the price down past current support. We climbed that hill before and have no desire to descend to someone's arbitrary base and drag up the laggards. If they cannot see what this stock is really worth, they are just here to trade and somebody was often prone to say that he hates daytraders and flippers.
You tell us, why would you? You must be on the wrong board as this is SAEIE not Pinky Gold Corp., the one that you are in. I will be over there directly to ask that same question.
I don't have private and I won't until all of my IHub posting privileges are restored to me. I wanted to say something off of the regular board.
There is a simplicity test that you can give a chart that is often a good indicator of whether to buy sell or hold and that is to just show it to a kid and see what he says. Take the first question that new arrivals on the board tend to ask, "Why did the stock drop from 2 bucks?" (or .40) depending on their reference points. The company has already done one major thing to drop the price of the stock by doing a F\S. The plausibility of their version of why they did it hinges heavily on it being at .40 now. They may have allowed the E to appear for the same reason and just now be amending that flaw in order to retain valuable OTCBB status. I think we have to at least give some thought to the idea that they may indeed want the price as low or even lower than it is at the present. The fact that the news always seems to target outside investors rather than traders and stockholders is another red flag.
I think it is much more important to look at what they do than what they say. It may well be that they are the ones shorting this. The mere geographical vicinity of that Stock_Traitor guy to the address of the company before it went inactive may not be just a coincidence. I hope they prove me wrong but I caution about drinking the company's kool aid until they show a real desire to get the price back up and not just attract JVs.
If any of this is true, we could let the company know that we are onto them and threaten to blow the whistle but do it in a manner that doesn't destroy the stock in the meantime. That is why I was pushing for a conference call, to make them more accountable, transparent and cognizant of our concerns. You seem resourceful and invested, like some of the others so I thought I would mention all of this to you here.
Yes, it is a sticky wicket and I would hate to scare off traders and investors. One can call it speculation, just being suspicious or take the proactive view that we are just recognizing vulnerabilities and may need to post some guards on the perimeter. I would hate to be right but I would also like to be aware if we are just playing on borrowed time in a no-win scenario. If the price goes up from here, that is the best reassurance of all. Failing that, management will need to schmooze us a bit and show that they see a future for the stockholders in this particular venture and those down the road. I don't want to see the share price drop to nothing, this company go private with the mine and then have them start a new company with their profits.
I see that I need to quit mincing words. Perhaps the way the news seems to flow towards the mining community and is barely acknowledged by the trading community, is telegraphing the company's intentions to keep the share price low, even short it to hold it down, so that the float could be retired at a lower price. Longs here have often said that the market cap would have been closer to 91.5 million had it not been for these manipulations. In other words, what is going on behind the scenes may not be as independent of the the shorting as is commonly believed.
I want a conference call.
I think that given the magnitude of this find, the PPS and our current situation, we need to start thinking from a totally different perspective than simply "What is the share price?" Ordinarily, it is the old principle of "finding a bigger fool" in trading stocks, but right here, right now, we should consider, (and this is not pumping), that the fools are the ones who lose their shares. That line of thinking gives rise to suspecting EVERYBODY and that is wise at this point. We need to be discussing our rights as stockholders and the legalities and strategies of increasing value for ourselves.
We need to identify the ones attacking us and assess their true motives. If it goes beyond mere options trading and has a more sinister purpose we may need to have legal representation, independent investigation, and perhaps assurances and clarifications from the company before possibly seeking regulatory involvement. We need to pry the lid off of why this stock is in the doldrums in the face of such fantastic news and not be too quick to accept whatever red herring is tossed our way. The E comes to mind and "just trades like a pinky" is another BS answer.
If we accept that the DD is correct and the company is sitting on a gold mine, then we need to aggressively defend our positions. Somebody here, mentioned how great the announcement of a stock buy back campaign would be. Doesn't that make you think about who would know the truest value of the shares that we own and what methods might be employed to gain control of our shares? We may need to field a fact finding mission of our own and a shareholders' conference call would be reassuring and wise. Accountants and financial reports cannot be trusted either, though they might contribute to needed forensics if we need them at some point in the future.
What I am saying is that this is now a horse of a different color and it's not a stock selling scam that we should be suspecting but a stock stealing scam. And we should suspect EVERYBODY.
Potash and Cadbury made huge news on just that kind of speculation last summer. It's totally normal to publish that kind of information and bidding wars do spring up. I would hate to be out of this the second that kind of news hit. I would be laughing so hard at some flippers right about then....Wait, no I wouldn't. I would be so freakin' stoked that I wouldn't give those poor losers a second thought.
Whether they decided to develop the mines themselves or take an offer, all we really need for this to go crazy is for somebody to make an offer. That alone will assign a totally new value to this company and it's stock, so let the bidding begin!
$131,788,800 @ $4,000\acre is what natural gas leases would cost, leased from individuals, on that much land stateside. Seems like with all of those minerals in the deal, they got a great price on those 51.48 sq. miles and we won't have to set up hundreds of rigs at over 2 million a pop. I like this.
SAEIE KUDOS! Super great post, Newenergy1, that encapsulates so much great news. Again...Nice work!
I am sure that big interests and competition have spies in the lab, spies in the bushes at the site, spies changing the sheets in Talley's hotel room, spies licensed to kill this stock with shorting, spies with the MMs, and spies on this board. This may be so big that we have to get mercs to patrol the roads and fly around in black choppers once it starts producing. LOL Somebody call Tom Clancy!
SAEIE is definitely more fun than being stuck in a junior exploration company in the Western U.S. with mediocre DD to go on, pumped to high heavens with 5 billion A\S and the latest news was some pathetic low grade geotubes released month before last. I see we have people making the rounds of all the gold plays this weekend, hoping to drum up some fear on their sites and get some help over at a company that rhymes with "specific". They might have more luck yelling "Gold is worthless!". I thought desperation was supposed to breed genius.
I can't tell you how many messages I have posted warning people about the lessons from the Monks plays that nobody ever got to read. Many here were laughing and saying things like "Boo Hoo the big scary longs are going to dump and trap me!". As we all have learned here, low floats are extremely volatile, never truly locked down and short squeezes, as pertain to MMs, hardly ever happen because Justice is the wrong kind of Blind. I have warned other shareholders, besides those of Monk's stocks, not to try to emulate them because they didn't have the promotion that his teams had nor the assurances from the companies of no dilution.
The big joke about the FLD fiasco of 2010, is that Monk made such a killing and attained fame and glory while so many were left gasping for air. I see many of them still there on those stocks thinking they will get a repeat of former glories.
There are similarities to SAEIE, no doubt. That is why I always encourage the idea of a stock remaining and being considered as "freely trading" and prefer the term "Float Leveraged" as opposed to "Float Lock Down". The volatility is still here, upwards and downwards, and most can't tolerate it although it offers incredible opportunities for many. Impending developments and news still make this a viable play for those without margins or who cannot watch it moment by moment, but they have to be willing to tolerate the uncertainty about where it will end up day to day. The swings are pretty radical on a daily basis.
Daytraders know that the elements are here for a great stock to play with. Wild swings make for good flipping and the fear that novices experience make it easy to get shares, even considering the longs holding tight to a limited float. On good days, it will be more difficult to play that way but average or down days can be highly lucrative for gaming it. The problem with all of that is that it will make for an interminably miserable message board, as shorts, pumpers, flippers, and pained losers come to do battle here on IHub. Serious traders who are looking for encouragement will gradually begin to avoid us and we may dwindle if any delay in news occurs.
So, consider all of those negative details and learn to recognize the BS that various people are putting out here constantly. Look closely at the DD and you will see, as I do, that there is value in SAEIE in spite of all of the games being played. Realize that the people who are publishing the PRs have word limitations, may not be as qualified in one area as the next and the resultant holes are not always some big conspiracy. Many will repeatedly bring up the same charges over and over again and those who know the stock will have to shoot them down each time. Negative posters pile on, assemble in groups, for profit, ego, grudges or just for fun and mischief. Some have been burned and may truly think they are saving people, but they are probably the rarest posters next to the quiet ones who come and go never posting at all.
Most of the pumpers, who have already moved on, know that it is impossible to try and stop the negativity once it has taken hold and just look for more optimistic surroundings. Much big money will see the fear it generates and just sidestep us. Oh well.
I have seen plenty of "locked down" floats trade perfectly horizontal, nobody able to buy in and expect a profit and nobody willing to come off a cent on their shares to sell even at a profit. Those stocks just lose interest till some news comes along and somebody sells or pays but they hardly ever get to run like the pumpers ran it before. That is largely because of "demand" as was stated here previously. Supatcha has a bit more demand than many but if nobody truly believes that it is a worthwhile investment then the only demand that will matter to it is that which is shown by whatever company wants to buy it out or back it for the digging. If nobody buying this stock thinks it is worthwhile then that says more about the nature of traders than the company itself.
At this point, the company could probably do just fine without stockholders altogether so reckon that into the demands that you place on it and be thankful that you get a chance to profit from what they are accomplishing.
All that being said, stating that one is selling and then offhandedly throwing everybody under the bus who is not in at a comparable level is kinda cold.
I understand the frustration but at this point the charts have become the enemies. Far too many give charts the power to think for them instead of going with what they know or can expect beyond a graph no matter how many studies or indicators of which they are disciples. I think few actually believe in charts at all if they need them to bottom out to see potential. I think they just use them, for the most part, as a pumping tool and a cue as to when to sell. Trend traders are in the majority but we have to get strategic players in here, at least until a new up trend is established.
When I tried to temper the pumping here, you were very quick to denounce me as a person that you misjudged. It had been my hope to decrease the delta a bit and not be so anxious to get to a point where people bailed trapping many. That failed. Now hopefully, the pessimists will exit quietly and allow us to resume a gradual climb like big stocks do. Stocks do that because people know the company is not going away soon. They "invest".
I think we can assume that in the case of SAEIE, their motives are not wholesome at all. Why else would so many tightly held shares be traded en counterfeit and still the price remains so low? They held the price down for too long and thus forced the sale of cheap bogus shares and now they can't produce them without shaking out practically every share held by anybody. This problem they have created is small relative to the billions of total shares of equities that they trade daily but it is one for them to be dealing with, not us.
How can we hold their feet to the fire and put an end to this or are we just going to have to wait until they have destroyed all interest in this stock so that they can settle up a few extorted shares at a time? It is nearly impossible to uncover these kinds of shares, as I understand it, and the investigation would be so time consuming and costly that the regulators will probably never get to the bottom of what has gone on. Perhaps, focusing on one MM, like CSTI or VERT would be a good tactic and still leave us in a position to continue trading. That would definitely send a message to the others to put their houses in order.
As I was looking into the Golden Gate Company and was amazed at how far reaching their contacts are , both domestic to the Ukraine as well as worldwide, I suddenly remembered how ubiquitous university degrees are in the former Soviet Bloc. I dare say that I could find you a Russian or Ukrainian bride with a doctorate in industrial chemistry in less than an hour. So I wouldn't be too hasty to dismiss Mr. Yasinskij's credentials.
In any event, from the first PR that I ever read from Supatcha, I received the clear message that they were awaiting independent analysis. I even joked about that here, though the message didn't survive, as humor seems to be at a premium on IHub. We are all waiting for news and I believe that a brighter more optimistic view of the welcome that foreign investors receive in the Ukraine is in order. If Supatcha can garner support for this venture then they will find open doors and the willing cooperation of the entire business community in the Ukraine. Supatcha knows, as we do, that success depends on soundly verified lab results. They are not dealing with fools, here or there.
Headed to the lab! Yup! Yup!
This is a stock board but Trolls have been around since before dial-up bulletin boards. Graffiti has been used to drive people crazy, anonymously, since there were cave paintings or even rocks, twigs and bones were laid out on the ground to send messages to passers by. One thing can be said about those that showed up here, they know they have a captive audience on the most active board on IHub while so many nerves are raw from a really messed up week. Don't underestimate the compunction to just pop a few beers and have a good time making strangers sweat.
I am flush but I have put most of my profits back into this stock because I think it is a good "speculation". I think that the whole FLD thing drove off potential buyers as they found it difficult to enter on the dips. Well, so be it. They should realize that we have to hold tightly to avoid the fate of most post-run penny stocks and they should be thankful for the so-called longs who are willing to hold for better gains and quit harping on their supposed superior experience in this arena. That is a load of crap as much as some of the wild claims for daily progress. No two stocks are the same, though they may share similarities. It is ridiculous that a tiny float stock a few meters from solid gold is trading at a fraction of what some of the weakest ideas with the remotest potentials for profits are trading for right now.
Charts do an adequate job of showing past or present sentiment and certain behaviors can "indicate" a "probability" as relates to the accepted wisdom in the market. The resistance we face is largely a smokescreen and confidence is needed to overcome it. The "typical" behavior of penny stocks, off of these runs, is to dwindle until some supposedly earth shattering news develops or traders see that a huge upside is possible. That gold is not just going to go away or lose much value soon and Supatcha sure won't walk away empty handed. This is not a typical stock in that it has a very limited offering and the developments that will send it much higher are unfolding by the days not months.
If you decided to cash in and forget it, that is a personal call. Please don't make it about others or try to influence them for no reason other than you gave up because it didn't trade like your favorite daily P&D. GLTY
The problem with his posts is they have less proof than he demands we provide to refute them. He has some very wild accusations and, for the most part, he has been off on all of them. True, things are confusing and not always proceeding as we expected but he has not provided much in the way of hard evidence, just his suspicions and bias. I feel like he could help us understand things better but he is only concerned with self vindication and not contributing real DD.
One thing that I have noted here, is that the worse our fears seem to get, the sillier they look each time that news comes out. I gotta say that our PRs sound a lot better than the ones that NEGS puts out. They sound almost defensive in laying out their plans of action.
Okay, I will give you the benefit of a doubt. There are 28.5 million shares in the float and it is supposed that 7 million of them are out of play. Insiders hold about 60 percent of the O\S and they issued themselves plenty to alleviate the possibility of a hostile takeover.
News is out frequently now:
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/SAEIE/news
They have filed as you will see from the "Corporate Activities Update" found in that link.
We are currently under heavy attack by MMs and Shorts and shares are very tightly held by many. A recent sell off and influx of short term traders has many showing up with weak hands and others trying to shake loose shares. If this runs it will be catastrophic for those who are shorting it. In any event, it is trading a bit more freely now but, when it runs, it runs very fast.
More assay results are pending, the E is due to drop next week, raising our profile. Usually Fridays and Mondays are very good days for us. Merger or buyout possibilities exist and more sites are being locked up and surveyed but many holes in the one of current interest have been gold bearing at high concentrations.
We won't speak of the Colorado stock. GLTY
So is your gold stock. What is your point?
Don't you have a trading platform?
No sarcasm. You stated your intentions quite clearly. I am not interested in the motive for your actions, just the fact that you are attempting to follow through on your agenda. You said that you wish to own this stock and you admit to trying to drive other investors out of the stocks that you want. Enough said about that.
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Newenergy1, I don't think that we are confused in the least about what he is saying.
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Welcome to Junior Mining and Penny Stocks. We invest, they find gold, we all make money. What's not to like?
They used to say that Elizabeth Taylor couldn't sing, dance or perform. Arnold Swartzenegger's family couldn't afford a refrigerator but he discovered the principle of Mind Over Body and never listened to naysayers. Kevin Smith traded his tuition in for the money to make a movie in the convenience store where he worked. Unlike those greats, even the humblest of people can strike gold and if they are careful and wise they can turn dreams into reality.
Nobody was buying the SAEI dream a couple of months ago but they have shown that they have a nose for this sort of thing. Things change. You exhibit talent and people line up with open wallets. We are like movie moguls who see a promising future and back a production.
They are trading counterfeit shares and stalling the moment when they have to make good on them and pay dearly to get them from us. There may well be more counterfeit shares trading than actual shares in the float right now. I bet if they all settled up at once we would be at .30.
Supatcha invested money time and research in locating the gold and locking up the rights. They were inactive for years and came back with a great idea at the perfect time. We are in on it. If the Merger or buyout comes, we all get paid soonest. I take the bird-in-the-hand strategic approach in my evaluation of most likely directions for these guys. Gold is hot now but Cramer and some others are asking if it might be too hot (like the Housing Bubble). Recent Fed announcements to print money and allow inflation to proceed may kick the can down the road a bit, but we will still want to strike while the iron is hot and get that gold out soonest. Faced with that prospect, I think they are doing all they can to get the best offer for the rights.
I think that it is not "If" a buyout comes, but "When". When it does they will publish a dollar ammount and that will be the instantaneous new value of the stock. It will trade at that level, deviating only pennies until the deal is closed.
Anticipating Supatcharands as the next new currency. I am Long. I set it for Until Cancelled. If a LOI comes out for a JV this could rocket to mult-bucks in seconds. I have seen it many times before.
Always keep a very high ASK on a stock that may announce a JV or Buyout soon. You might go make a sandwich and come back and see you lost it all. Mine is set at ten bucks.
Low volume shows people are still wanting bargains. Deny, deny, deny. Just Hold!
Naw, don't worry about it R3. I may be more confused by the deals that go on here than you are. I am just excited to be in a little Cloud Computing play that seems to be actively trying to find more niches that will pay and not just printing PRs and shares. I did like the NEGS thing where they were training folks to use their product even though some of the people in that stock seemed surprised that they were into the virtualized space. These guys cut deals and do business but they just don't do a really great job of making the whole thing easy for the average investor to figure out. I bet an organizational diagram would even be a bit confusing to study.
I think that the pop we saw today may mean some news is coming. I didn't get a good look at the trades before my research thingie in my platform went blank but they will show in the morning for the previous day.
Holding and watching.
Exactly! It's just like it doesn't matter if he has to cover 10,000 shares or 100,000 shares. All that matters is if he has to cover at $0.05 or $0.40 per share. Oh wait! It does matter how many shares... LMAO
I really hope these money grubbing misery dealers get it good tomorrow.
Don't try insults or even condescension on me, it is a violation of the TOU and I walk my own path, not the one that I am taunted or goaded into by somebody showing up at such a convenient moment. A scan of my post history would reveal that I asked the questions that you are holding up as such prizes, before I ever invested in SAEIE a couple of weeks ago. Like others here, I decided that adequate if slightly unpolished attention was being paid to maintaining the rudimentary business profile that a bunch of explorers needs to provide.
I have invested in a treasure hunting company that ran the business from a laptop in the cabin of a large boat and made money. Perhaps, once the gold is out of the ground, I will want a GPS monitor attached to the CEO's leg but for now I am just fine with him schmoozing in a bar or sitting around the mine in a construction trailer.
Never post to me again.
Hi *******
The 8K filing by NX Global explains in detail the announcement
The full filing can be found here : http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=7534291-988-5954&type=sect&dcn=0001193125-10-247288
The NEGS dividend will be paid to all our PRPM shareholders as of record date 11/3/2010
Acute Systems Inc, we are still in the due diligence process, which is taking longer than we hoped.
We will certainly be keeping all our shareholders informed of any other material events or acquisitions that may occur
Thank You for your support
Regards
Robert Zysblat | President | ProTek Capital , INC.
Main: +44 7768 665448 | Web : http://www.protekcapital.com
This is highlarious! I love late late or after hours news. These guys are clawing for air and driving up our post count. I see that E*Trade is not done shorting this yet and probably won't release the news again this time. Expect a lot of sour grapes from shorts who smelled blood and got in too deep, fools who sold and were hoping for much lower levels to reload, or guys who followed the herd to those other gold stocks and need a pop or two to get above water so they can catch a ride here. Now they want a pizzin' match over who has the best DD. Best answer to them is. "If you are so sure it's better, why the desperate tactics?".
Another point. Most other sites don't have our caliber of people doing DD but do not realize that they are on the short bus. So, if you are on any of those sites, please get the word out.
Last point, I have noticed a few pre-market trades going through on this stock from time to time, so somebody is doing it but I doubt if it's retail.
GO SAEIE!
Oh, LOL, one more point, Supatcha obviously doesn't know much about pumping a penny stock.
Bytor, it can be difficult to calm things down here during the day to get DD answers. Ask any of the longs if I am not one to pick apart things whenever I get the time to do so. They will tell you that that SpunjHamr is a Beotch. We get bashers and some ridiculous claims in here, day to day, but the SS is stable and the company has received thumbs up from many stock sites and trade groups. The DD has been vetted very well and the fall from the post forward split price of .40 is highly explainable and typical of waiting for news. Now that they have gone to the field and gotten results, they are very good at keeping us apprised of their progress. They have even hinted lately of a possible partnership, sublet or merger with another junior miner or even a big one. Owning Supatcha means owning the gold in the ground, at this point. Whether we obtain financing and take advantage of the low costs of exploitation in the Ukraine or we allow somebody else to do the extraction, we are in the money. Good Luck on whatever you decide.
Now is where the guys begging for lower prices start to realize that Bollis are easier to fall through than to pierce and stay above. That takes real MOMO and shopping for bargains just drives that away. Great work Newenergy1, Magic Q-Ball, TheWallStBull, BTW, for getting us up as far as you did. All of you who held strong, like lamgaryb great work too!
So what REALLY piques my interest is the fact that we got the NEGS shares, they invested heavily in us and now, if I am reading this right, we still have Propalms ltd.! That is great news, if that is how it plays out. Propalms ltd. may have had some debt but they have nice revenues from deals worldwide. In fact, the NEGS investment pretty much will wipe out that debt if NEGS comes back up. I guess, if we still own Propalms ltd., we can still trot out all of those PRs for the contracts they have cooking as part of our DD. Wolfie was so heartbroken that we lost Propalms ltd. so if he is still upset, I would take that into account in assessing his true motives.
I am holding because this is surely going to bring more news in the near future.
Why would anybody come here and slap the ASK up for a bunch of bottomfeeders? They are tired from the last run and seeing all that work drained off to people who couldn't be bothered to help the last time is less-than-inspirational. Even if you guys get the price down, good luck ever getting it back up. New guys are all on their own today. Those rises in prices don't come without work. Call us pumpers and run off the serious longs who approach this stock and just assume they won't be occupied elswhere when it's decided that fills have been made. Good luck with that philosophy.