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chilar
we agree, but there will be a hard ceiling at .03 to punch through in my opinion.... still a lot of people want out of this after such a long time... your experience in pinkoland tells you that I am sure no one bought this originally as what it has now become , it has morphed ? all over the place... earlier people bought simply as a katrina / pit play and it looks like they / the company are trying to use that pit to move forward again... come home to roast so to speak... and that is good... this latest deal is great in my opinion and it will help calm down many of those katrina/pit peeps that have been holding for well over a year but they need to get to the core to move this pps significantly in my opinion.... thanks chilar good luck
Imirish
sam
no my friend... it is just working for both sides is better than not thinking through who is to benefit and how are they doing it.... until the ungag and file... this is nothing more that a very high risk gamble and should be treated as such... its your money and hope you make a bundle, as I hope too... but I am very long and don't expect more that a nice return, but I want everyone to not let these cute little smokescreens sidetrack them from what is needed to run this pps... file, ungag and release all these deal finacial structures... until then, I will continue to buy on dips and sell when they smell funnier... in my opinion.... hope we see .10 or so within the next few months... but we all know what they need to do to clear the confusion here...
good luck to you sam
Imirish...
momentumtrader
thanks for your thoughts.... but I am told that only about 20 million or so shares were converted on that deal... could be wrong, but that was a pretty reliable source... that is why they continue to do these other deals from there... they can't seem to close the gap between the stated 815million wanted in pa pr... and the real count which who really knows... anyways, I think it will take a lot of work to move through that ceiling of .03... people bought big with the idea of that would be the floor only to get screwed with massive selling to our low of .0055 - .006 , which could now lead to selling pressure there because of frustration of holdiing a pinko too long.... they would be happy to get their money back as I see it... many will not sell because the greed factor will take hold but we are still in a fear factor now without the ungagging and filing which I see now with this latest move a confirmation that filing and ungagging will be way way off now because of what I stated in this post , reconcilation of the real float... just my opinion of course but that is what I seem to think... still liquid and ready to pull the trigger if.... good luck
Imirish...
momentumtrader
do you agree there is a very hard ceiling at .03 because of the failed buyback.... a lot of peeps bought a ton there to turn in and got caught with them because of the cutoff of that deal.... it may take many runs at that pps .03 and a huge volume surge to punch through in my opinion...
Imirish...
geman
you of course also knew that seeclear was directing his post "tongue and cheek" to the management of pbls , but you knew that of course...
Imirish...
samspade
in case you missed it seeclear was directing that post to the company officials not me.... but then again I believe you knew that....
Imirish...
titan / seeclear
agree, stay liquid...
seeclear...
I am now home.... 4:30 est. p.m. tuesday... call me I will be home all evening ... we need to talk..
Imirish...
pan
now you are thinking... do ya think... is that why a shareholders meeting is not on any agenda... did they loose control of the company and are hard pressed to find a way back to total control?... is the share count conducted on this ihub sight real and do we the real shareholders have controlling interest in the company? can we force a meeting and get one or more of our own on that too closely held board?
whatchathink? betcha! in my opinion
Imirish...
dlaserman
mostly agree... unless the share count is way over the stated goal of 815million then there are "absolutely NO reason anymore" for the gagging... are they hiding the share count because of that 1.75 or so you suggest, by bet is yes... but because they totally refuse to release the real structure everyone continues to speculate and guess and that is the problem with these pinko's and why most of they fail in the first place...
on another note, nice to see they have the bread and butter release today... good release, and that pit is the reason most all of us bought into this company, I know that is why I did, not the other noise they have bought... except, the jet deal , unknown as to the details and the progas deal, same unknown really as to that structure really... but the other stuff in my opinion , noise.... nice contract... but remember the release says only "up to $20 million dollars"... but that I do expect will happen...
in my opinion...
Imirish...
Real
don't ever count anything out my friend... there is always a reason for something...
Imirish..
seeclear
my followup to that post was this one... whatchathink?
By: Imirish
19 Feb 2007, 04:58 PM EST
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I remember when I was in Georgia, peanut country years ago... I learned a very good lesson then... I remember buying some "fresh" roasted peanuts and couldn't wait to get my hands and tongue on them... well, the first gorgeous plump perfectly roasted peanut on top of the bag was just sitting there waiting for my quick move to dismember it ... anyways, I grabbed that plump perfect peanut and prceeded to split it open only to find in my suprise that that shell was empty... wow was I suprised and dismayed... anyways what does this have to do with anything.... hmmm, I really don't have a clue, or do I? just thought I would pass that story on to you Mr.P. / wordofmouth.... interesting story as part of lifes little lessons I guess...in my opinion
Imirish...
seeclear
whatchathink about this post of mine to wordofmouth / Mr.P
on ragingbull as to the possibles on those last week releases.. is there more than meets the eye here?
19 Feb 2007, 04:41 PM EST
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"how about this batman.... taking a stake in ldti for the purpose of spinning off good parts of pbls or bad.... since we haven't a clue on which is which lets just try this case .... say take the pool divisions spin to new company... maybe being in uppermidwest the snow and cold and very short window in that business is not for this company... i.e. your thoughts cleaning up balance sheet... hmmm..... or take the good such as the jet/pit/gas divisions spin into ltdi and push the pool into pbls along with whatever may be dead weight, which by the way even PA. suggested a while ago they were going to clean up nonproforming divisions in some way which we never had anything more said.... oil being so far nonproforming and pick from the chinese menu of other holding we have... again, we don't know which is good and which is bad... and all of a sudden we have good divisions in a ob stock exchange done cheap and bad divisions in a pinko land and all holding pinko land stock weither it be prefered or common... hmmm... just tossing out thoughts for opinions only... love the conversation as to the what ifs... because we really have no clue now do we.... just faith as being ask by the big guys.... soon... in my opinion "
maybe midas will read this too...
Imirish...
sorry Blitz
it was meant and directed to someone else... sorry
Imirish...
Big W
thanks
my word is good... you can count on it...
Imirish...
gn
another thing that really really bothers me....
"Since I've been told that upper management is taking part in the deal I don't expect A/F's until the deal is done. Meaning once management is ready to release the numbers I expect the preffered shares to be redeemed...so we can all buy back in."
they have the facts?transparency to make that decision if that statement is true, but we don't have the "transparency"
you could also look at that as a neg... why would they want that deal for some of their shares... keeping in mind we don't really know how many this management team really has... if they expect the pps to be way up on filing and ungagging and financials "soon" then to do this is no benefit to them... hell, they would be better off sitting on their collective common for the ride to a buck as they / management seems to expound to us that the share pps is way under... is it really..... and is .06 all they really expect in the next 5 years.... it is strange to say the least... as I said they are too slick by half and the field is way to uneven here... be careful... liquid is best in my opinion only...
Imirish...
gn
I think it is a legit offer, but read between the lines my friend before you jump.... the company is real... but nothing and I mean nothing in the company , deals, or o/s can be verified... why would anyone take such a leap of faith with a company that can't even show you the real o/s .... that is vital to "TRUSTING" and after you tire yourself up for 5 years then you find the real story on the ungagging and late filing is not what you thought , then without a aftermarket and don't be fooled , there will be no aftermarket to get rid of the prefered ... that you can be sure of.... what if's are too high on tying anything up.... stay totally liquid... this is not a nyse company... for ...... sake, it is a unverified pinko in a world of thousands of pinko's that are real long on promisses and short on facts.... show me the facts... but again, I hope everyone buys this deal... but me....good luck my friend...
Imirish...
badmoon
agree
just for information
this is a chart from a bank with safe cd's....
Term Rate APY*
12 to 24 Month CD 2.47% 2.50%
24 to 36 Month CD 2.71% 2.75%
3 to 6 Month CD 1.98% 2.00%
36 to 48 Month CD 2.96% 3.00%
48 to 60 Month CD 3.44% 3.50%
6 Month CD Promo 5.02% 5.15%
6 to 12 Month CD 2.23% 2.26%
60 to 84 Month CD 3.68% 3.75%
in addition a jumbo cd will even offer more that theses stated rates and plus 2 of the most important things...
"SAFETY" AND "LIQUIDITY FOR YOUR COMMON STOCK BY NOT BEING TIED UP"
so one can take the advantage of that "moon shot" everyone thinks is coming here.... and take the loose money for that safety in the cd... so is tying your money up for 5 years or so in a pinko such a great idea.... hmmm.... just my opinion...
Imirish...
cutting corners
anyone that trust any management of any pinko unreporting company is at risk big time and deserves what they get...
verify then trust.... and that has not been done...
everyone is so taken with this what I call smokescreen deal that they are taking the eye of the ball...
he will not file and ungag, "soon"... another excuse in my opinion
and I am convinced that the float is way over the billion mark... again, his release example used that 800 million... that added to the stated objective of 815 for filing purposes in my opinion shows a freudian slip... think about this thing... but I hope everyone takes this deal... except me.... stay liquid on any and all pinko that doesn't keep the "soon" soon on filing and any gagging in my opinion like here screems hiding something not good.... certing is a mistake here... keep flexable in case.... just think of that other home run company can't miss i.e. sljb.pk.... think if everyone took to certing... what a mess it is... just in my opinion...
Imirish...
SEECLEAR
just got home it is 1:45 P.M. est. monday.... please call me a.s.a.p.
Imirish...
pennystock
with respect, my theory makes more sense than any I have heard... fluff pr's don't work, at all... look at the history.... if moves the stock for a moment in time then down.... they need another way, and this is what I see is going on.... just my opinion of course..
Imirish...
thanks gn
but the if's and what if's are just that... the fact is the brokerage firms will have to get though shares... when we purchase stock through our accounts they are registered with our account... the firms must make good on those sold shares otherwise they will have to personally back them.... if there is that so called naked short issue, that is not our problem it is theres.... by certing any of your stock in this company all that you are doing is becoming very illiquid in case of an issue... that is the facts.... certing is not a good thing on a pinko especially when we really have no idea a anything as facts with these guys.... as to turning in for the dividend... that is a personal time issue and I have no opinion other that I hope everyone does except me and the float drys up and wha la, up goes the pps with no one to stop it.... but that is totally a pie in the sky thinking, very wishful thinking at best.... my morning theory is in my opinion what this is all about.... if one adds the 815 stated by pa in a release he wants and the 800 million in his yesterday release as an example... hmmmm , strange to pick that number by the way... then is it possible the company has after all the shuck and jivs really about 1.6 billion still out there and the low volume which is already droppin from yesterday not going to work either..... keep your eye on the ball , too many shares to file and ungag... that is what I see still.... I hope this works by the way... because I am really tired of this game.... all they need to to is put up or shut up... so far they really mostly have shut up now haven't they..... still nice long position for me... added 3 days ago... at .0132... all in my opinion...
Imirish...
pan reread my theory post earlier
today...
Imirish...
elsiecat
exactly... I just don't get the certed thing... first of all liquidity is king especially in the wild wild west of pinkoland... just a day or two delay can cost you big time in dumping on any problem.... note, sljb.pk.... if that was certed, what a loss I would have taken instead of a nice return on that one... dump on open with profit.... it really boggles my mind that cert thing.... especially with the experience of many here.... it is up to the brokerage firm to have though shares backing our stock purchase in any event.. plain and simple, and if they don't then they are liable for fraudulant sales of registered securities, big trouble...
in my opininion
Imirish...
gn
but u seemed to indicate anyone with noncerts is going to get burned as i read it.... why would you seem to think that... u heard something or know something, please advise all on that thinking .... ok...
Imirish...
gn
why do you think this way... please expand ok?
" owning non-retirement account or certed shares of PBLS will not be a good thing in the foreseeable future."
Imirish
han
how big is the bid side... and how the ask side..
Imirish...
shiz
with all due respect... not likely.... at least not a pinko that has shown any indication of reporting... I doubt that any markets would do this...
Imirish...
shiz
thanks a bunch... you are the best...
Imirish...
gn
my post was not saying it was a bad idea... don't be fooled by the last drop... that in my opinion was on purpose... that seemed to only dry up the the volume ultimately and work against buybacks , but it worked to keep the real hard core investors here and even to add.... so they pps went up to increase the volume.... next leg up so to speak, .013 to .014... volume dried up again.... now this to increas volume and take shares down to the 815 area or so... the leading hopefully to the ungagging and filing... so I don't think you should worry as much about the pps going subpenny again as the time to get to the 815 and filing.... this is the eye on the ball so to speak.... as a matter of fact this deal is slick by half as I like to say... but only for those the tire of waiting and want a more secure return... most here I think want the big payoff, I myself would be very pleased to see our moon shot not the moon landing but more like John Glenn's little space flight.... I think .12 cents to maybe on hype a quarter is much more realistic not that buck to 40 bucks the hypsters like to call there moon shot...
see not neg, just want to understand the reasons for this move instead of what we all know to be what is really needed and "soon" that will be the real thing to move the pps and stay if they have the goods and can verify them.... all in my opinion...
Imirish...
mrdecember
just point out that some are thinking this way and he stated it .... but forget his thinking, I think this is the story, but the real story is why and does it lead to smoke... then what.... keeping the eye and pressure on the ball...
release the t/a, file the 10 is the only way we will see the promissed land if there is one.... if all is up and up then who knows the real pps this could bring and how quickly... bet within months not years... all in my opinion...
Imirish...
theory
4th plan didn't seem to work.... this is the 5th plan to the process of becoming reporting.... so far it seems to me that about 1/2 are not buying this deal....
plans to get the share down to the 815 shares that pa promissed we will have ... and that is what the crux of the problem... in my opinion he is about "800 million" over that 815 million needed to file and ungag.... he almost telegraphed it in his release in my opinion, look!
"In the event >>> 800 million shares <<< of common were tendered to the company under this program, a total of about 4.8 million shares of voting preferred stock would be issued, with a total value of about $48 million. At a 6% annual dividend rate, this would result in the distribution of about $2.88 million in dividends annually, or about $720 thousand per quarter." note the example used!!!!!!!!!!
the plans to reduce the float...
1.) the orginal buyback I believe .0004 area
2.) the 100million buyback
3.) the .03 buyback
4.) the crashing to the pps to .0005/.0006, resulting in eventually drying up the trading volume so they cannot buy back shares because not enough volume....
5.) this deal , to increase volume /remember the stated open market buying is still in effect, and adding this allows this also to continue.... hell , we dropped volume lately to barely 3 to 4 million a day... which makes this/ "open market buying" a tough deal to do in the open markets...
all this resulting in a failure to release any real verifiable information on any deals structures , filing the 10 and ungagging the t/a....
look, in my opinion... they can't release the t/a until the shares are at 815 million so this needs to get done... could this be the prekatrina results, pointed out by Mr.P and that some have thought , who knows, but it seems that his is just another effort to get that float down....
that could be the only explanation to not ungagging in my opinion .... if anyone else can come up with another reason, have at it.... all in my opinion only
Imirish...
sff and lasvegascowboy
exactly... why in the world would anyone marry this company for 5 years or any pinko for that matter... hell, 1 year is way too long now with this thing.... bad deal at best... agree with the liquid get out at anytime... if these guys were forthright about anything they might have sold this deal to the unsuccespecting... but without them being transparent in anything , deals, shares , structures, filing on and on and on... they are asking us to trust a ghost at best.. not me...they better start being upfront with real verifable informations before they try this stuff...
in my opinion...
Imirish...
puntang
simple.... people don't like strange moves... certainty only... keeping the eye on the ball as to ungagging and filing as promissed.... misdirections are not a good thing... market is so far saying wtf.... in my opinion...
Imirish..
why should be a while
gn
just sit my friend and see for a why, you might not like what you see... in my opinion....
Imirish...
gn
don't do it my friend... take time to think about that move...
really..voting rights mean nothing in this thing... think about it... tying your money up is not a good idea... been there done that in the past, and never again...
in my opinion
Imirish...
release
looks to me that they have not been able to get the outstanding shares down to that 815 number promissed.. and this is another way to get it there... seems that way and what some have been saying that the prekatrina deals up to about sept or so had some merit or not? in my opinion
Imirish...
seeclear
can you call me on this lastest release... I am home now... only for a few hours...
Imirish...
mickvonmerk
your thinking on the dots please spell out...
thanks
Imirish...