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Playing around with market cap totals
Possible adjusting before a halt on news?
So they can adjust things for a possible reverse merger?
If BLDV is going up, then likely Nextgen does as well
After all when the managers are likely standing around the table haggling over who gets what of the pie, they want to make sure they get their just rewards.
BLDV staff is also likely able to say look at us, we are worth more too. So pay up if you want to reverse merge with us. Meanwhile shares out there seem dry indeed!
Its pretty hard to gain control of a company if you dont have a controlling interest, right? So how does one gain majority control, buying stock perhaps? You dont get there selling them.
Whoa ha ha ha!
approx 16K spent for a 25% increase
yesterday we popped 64% on 6K
good to see it not taking much to move up even on the higher levels.
3,356,838 X 0.0048=$16K approx
everyone is up 25% now
Nextgen selling vitamins now instead of biofuels?
Didnt they have a problem already trying to list on the Nasdaq with a heathcare company? Sure they bought it out and it was a wasted investment. We are just seeing the finalization of nextgens poor investment.
That is unless they sell off their goods to BLDV!
BLDV has the goods, the research the bio fuels listing, oh yeah baby, let Nextgen go into Vitamins and give us the fuel to burn...rocket fuel!
HEALTHCARE TECHNOLOGIES LTD - HCTL Amended Current report filing ...
NexGen Biofuels, Inc. (a development stage company and majority owned subsidiary of Mac Bioventures, Inc.), a Delaware corporation, is in the discovery ...
sec.edgar-online.com/2008/02/12/0001178913-08-000397/Section21.asp
Im all right jack keep your hands off of my BLDV stack!
Money!
636,500x 0.0049=3118 spent
moving up
$6000 spent before a 64% increase yesterday
today we have 31,500 X 0.0042=$132 spent so far
So what do you think will happen if $6000 or more is spent today?
Tight?
Sec votes to end selective disclosure
http://www.fool.com/news/2000/sec000810.htm
In a 3-1 vote, the SEC voted to pass Rule FD (Fair Disclosure), which will prevent companies from privately passing market-moving information to Wall Street analysts.
But somehow some negative posters on this board expect to get a straight answer before news is ready to be released. Yup a lowly investor getting the straight goods before news.
Whoa ha ha ha!
The reason for news is to give every investor the same chance in the marketplace to prosper or miss out depending upon whether they decide to invest or not.
The question is do you think BLDV has assembled a qualified team to do the job? I think they have and I also think they have the plans and connections. Only the future will say for sure.
Legally there is no connection till news halts
With a shell company or a contract the deal maybe done or just requiring a signature to be finalized. We maybe even have tracked down the proper links and connections, or they could be something else, but the point is when you contact them the deal if not completed means "no current link"
As investors we are supposed to remain out of the loop and in the dark somewhat till everything lines up for the mm's, the company, or the opportunities that present themselves.
Doubt filled posters want you to figure out what Christmas present your wife bought you before Christmas and before she has even decided, or before you are supposed to know about it. Think she will tell you or lead you in the right direction?
Do you think that with "non-disclosure agreements" that you would be given the proper information should a deal be in the works?
Highly unlikely. What we know is BLDV has a strategic alliance with various firms and has setup a bio fuels trading division through Robert Luiten
Legally there is no connection till news halts
Legally there is no ownership of a biodiesel plant till the signature & contract/payment is signed
Legally there is no connection till everything is ready. At that point the stock if positive or profitable will likely gap up.
Basically you have a choice to make, to invest now on the lows and hold for news, or possibly pay a higher price when news is known or the future has occured. Stock was $3.25 at one time before, so what will it be worth if everything actually pans out?
Bashers telling you to find links to things that havent legally happened yet is like fishing for a genie in the sand.
But that doesnt mean that the ihub board doesnt have some pretty good leads.
Strategic alliances for competitors!
So "invest with kids" it appears you may have been asking the wrong question to the "Blue Diamond Group of independent companies".
Business Definition for: Strategic Alliance
* an agreement between two or more organizations to cooperate in a specific business activity, so that each benefits from the strengths of the other, and gains competitive advantage. The formation of strategic alliances has been seen as a response to globalization and increasing uncertainty and complexity in the business environment. Strategic alliances involve the sharing of knowledge and expertise between partners as well as the reduction of risk and costs in areas such as relationships with suppliers and the development of new products and technologies. A strategic alliance is sometimes equated with a joint venture, but an alliance may involve competitors, and generally has a shorter life span. Strategic partnering is a closely related concept.
There are lots of different strategic alliances out there and we know bluediamondtrades.com has 4 independent companies.
We also know
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200610/ai_n16778413
In August, Robert Luiten, a former chief operating officer and vice president of a division of one of the largest ethanol producing companies in Europe and the world's third largest chemical company, with sales of about EUR 33 billion, joined the company in a consulting capacity and has assisted in developing the company's biofuels trading division.
Robert Luiten was brought to the BLVD TEAM. Let's further this coincidence...
Guess who served as a board member and president for one of the INEOS divisions?
Answer: Robert Luiten
Guess who the Blue Diamond Oil & Petrochemicals division primarily contracts with from the link you provided?
Answer: INEOS
So there does appear to be a strategic alliance with both Companies being tied to INEOS through Robert Luiten. Remember a "Strategic Alliance" can even be a competitor, so we have at least found a connectional link between;
Blue Diamond Oil & Petrochemicals division->Bluediamondtrades.com->INEOS->Robert Luiten->Blue Diamond Ventures!
Strategic Alliances!!!
BLDV "strategic alliance" news! Trading division doesnt state that the division runs within BLDV or has to be connected or related, it could be independently right? Even BLDV's news talks of a "Strategic Alliance"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200610/ai_n16778413
Just how connected is this trading division to BLDV? After all you check BLDV's website you cant easily buy or trade fuels on there nor can you? Yet we know they have it running now. But you can on bluediamondtrades.com website.
In that same news article they state;
"Blue Diamond has also launched strategic alliances with several large fuel distributors."
Hmmm, what kind of strategic alliance is this and to what companies is Blue Diamond Ventures strategically aligned with?
Could it be with bluediamondtrades.com?
If not, then who is it with? Nextgen? Chevron? Whom? We know that it must be with somebody!
We just dont know yet now do we, but that doesnt mean that the shares are worthless, it just means someone else is trying to acquire them on the cheap.
bluediamondtrades has 4 independent divisions.
That tells me there is possibly something still there. But in answering your question "invest in kids" before I post the new questions, Here is a way to present it;
_______________________
you contacted the Australian division and they said they are not related to Blue Diamond Ventures.
Then you could ask the board, can anyone else confirm this?
_______________________
Now onto the point of Blue Diamond Trades having 4 independant divisions
The point was brought up about the other divisions of bluediamondtrades.com, as you found information on the Australian division and not the other ones.
After all bluediamondtrades.com website states http://bluediamondtrades.com/about.php;
Blue Diamond Group of companies is a Trading, Investment & Consulting company with head quarters in Australia and affiliated companies in the USA, India and China each operating independently.
My question is How independently?
Maybe they dont have to be connected to be part of blue diamond ventures plans? Or dont have to be connected to be a part of the Blue Diamond Trades plan.
How independently could Blue Diamond Ventures be to these other trading divisions and still be connected, but running even independently within the bluediamondtrades itself?
After all even within Blue Diamond Trades the companies are not all connected Check the http://bluediamondtrades.com/about.php site to see the independence yourself.
Remember, as an investor we are usually the last ones to know the real truth when shares are hammered down from $3.25 historic highs
If the stock was worth more before, you can see why others maybe trying to gain control of the stock on lows
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.pnf?c=BLDV,PLTCDANRBO[PA][D][F1!3!!!4!20]&pnf=y
you also dont need to attack investor911 by saying "Here's an amazing new fact: they're not related."
You could just tell the board and investor911 that you called the Australian division and they said they were not related.
Simple. There is still lots to find out "invest in kids".
But feel free to do as you wish.
A normal investor who invests in a stock because they have a positive outlook on a return would normally come to the board to present the new evidence regarding the Australian division as not being connected to BLDV. Thats normally a positive thing indeed, for progress is positive. The more connecting the dots, or crossing the t's or finding the dead end leads the better as far as I'm concerned.
They dont normally try to rub it in someones face or complain that they cant post doubts filled posts.
Its amazing how some people cant see the positive in everything. Sometimes its all in the way things are presented. If I found out that info, I'd simply post it on the boards as an amazing new fact.
Thats all. You should try it next time, invest in kids, rather then trying to use it to discredit other investors. Moving onto other related topics.
Does anyone else have any word on the other 3 divisions of bluediamondtrades.com or from Blue Diamond ventures itself?
Remember I said when I found the site and looked forward to anyone else's answer they could find. Just dont use the answer as a weapon against me is all.
Thanks.
I have my doubts as well invest in kids, like my doubts about posters even actually owning shares or not, I cant even prove that if I wanted to.
I only made 2 connect the dots posts.
One was a website called bluediamondtrades.com which I still dont know if they are related to blue diamond ventures, even though we know that they too were supposed to create a trading division.
The other one was showing how Robert Gasich of BLDV has reverse merger experience. Now those appear to be facts thats hard to deny, yet your complaints on that is telling for sure.
Your free to post as many doubt filled posts as you like. Heck you can even complain to your wife for as long as she sticks around. Personally I tend to leave negative people to deal with themselves. It helps keep them even more negative as they have to live with themselves.
64% upswing left many on outside today
In for a pennies out on the pound....ing!
Whoa ha ha ha!
Holy Whipsaw Batman
I bet that got some shorts in a knot and even some longs there too.
Do you think the mm's will be so kind as to let the bottom feeders back on the ride again tomorrow on lows?
Tic toc Tic toc
downtick looks like the same $6K stick.
1.4 million shares sold off at .0004 at close for what $5600 right? In the morning about $6000 was bought for 0.0032 before the major run happened. It looks to me like someone just recouped their costs and can basically pocket the 30% free shares.
They could have sold for more, way more, but they wanted the price cheaper as they maybe just a bit short. Who knows?
To me I find it interesting to see the same approximate $6K used twice today. Once to cause the 68% runup and at close 6K used to cause the days gains to be in the 30% range, instead of the 45% amount.
My question is what happens if this 6K is bought and held, or better yet, if investors buy the 13 million daily volume at 0.0004 for $52,000? At some point that float will run out and from there the price will have to move up with stronger hands. Get new investors to buy a few days worth of volume and see where we end up.
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it did a little reversal in their downticks.
BLDV.PK 3:53PM ET 0.004 0.001 29.03% 11,486,497
perceived value is relative.
it is amazing how $40,000 can changes investors perceptions on what a stock is worth.
Like changing the lino to the click flooring, painting the walls in a day and a half white and bumping the rent up $500 a month. Rent it to some new tenants, now thats a much nicer place to live and your girlfriend will thank me for it. What a steal of a deal.
I wonder what will happen to BLDV if and when they show their goods off?
Dump in 40K and we are all up 45% so far?
hmmm.
$40,000 buys todays volume so far
approximately?
Seems still pretty cheap overall.
Those that bought in low and made say 40 or 60%
could sell half back, keeping the others for keeps
now thats what I call a happy meal
:)
Quix
Now this stock sux doesnt it?
Wasnt I just in a hospital with a pile of sick people holding up IV bags on wheels, bandages wounds and all?
Now I feel like I'm on sunset boulevard with the palm trees whisking by.
Was I just abducted or just held in some strange camp lead by the sick to accepting their religion? Its going to take a while to get back to normal after eating all of that gruel. Thats it, some vitamin C and some protien again to help me think clearly.
But one thing is clear, standing around a burning barrel talking about $6000 is no longer the issue.
That smoke was beginning to bother me too.
As for BLDV its going to go up and down, hopefully you will have a seat when the musical chairs game stops.
Volume is drying up for now
Projected Volume 5,641,034 (41%)
1.8 mill shares traded at an avg price of say 0.0032
1.8millX0.0032=$5760
is it really worth your time watching this and talking about it, or is your time worth buying here instead? I find it odd how hundreds of people will stand around talking about a measily $6000 bucks
Whoa ha ha ha
So are you buying here, or lower?
LOL
To get investors to sell at a loss or into lows
the best thing to do is to ask questions that cannot be answered at this time because the information isn't readily available or known yet. Fill the board with these questions and concerns to the point your favorite stock turns into a war zone where you feel like your in the emergency ward with hundreds of other patients that are out seeking a cure of which none exists yet, panic ensues. Questions without answers, fears and doubt, all of this is used to be able to accumulate on the lows. To get more shares then you could buy on a high.
If they are here complaining, are they complaining over the doubts or sickness going around? Or are they complaining only to get sheep fleeced?
Love the market
Someone seems nervous on here
I think I'll have a mick mick mick chicken!
I mean a McChicken
It must be the studder or subliminal advertising I dont know, do you?
Go BLDV! Some day it might be called a heading to the drive through for a Goat. LOL
Stocks rarely trade on news
Have you ever plotted a stock on price vs. news?
Often a stock will post good news and it can go down, or take a week or two and then gap up suddenly for no reason at all.
So why does this board talk so much about news, if it doesnt always govern the price?
Its the large blocks that are buying or selling that effect the price. Notice how the group who advertised the stock, seemed to have the board go silent for periods of time?
Promotion and demotion effect the price more so then any news.
Cover your eyes and use the Force man! The force will be with you always.
LOL
re: Lotta shares changing hands...
yeah it does seem that the group that originally came to breathe life back into the stock also like to trade the stock lots too.
Those shares flipping around, can even artificially lower a stock providing the liquidity of shares needed to hold a stock down on lows for the close, hoping that many mom & poppers will be squeezed and bail. Take that liquidity of shares away and it could gap up, add liquidity of shares and it can gap down.
Remember folks this is a pinksheets stock still. It was 0.0007 before, so it can head there again and it didnt take much buying power to reach 1.3 cents either. Heck it was also $3.25 too so remember that as well. There are longs, there are short term investors, there are shorts and there are also naked shorts/FTD's and there is also management that issues stock with good and bad press in order to reach their own goals. People trade on news and others on charts, or fear and greed.
Love the market.
re: etrade after hour shows<< 0045>>
personally I dont think one trade will tell you which way the wind is blowing. I checked a couple of other platforms and they dont even register the << 0045>> amount. How many shares was it? Was it one share, or 10 million shares bought?
As expected, the stock is playing the "game" as I so described earlier. Those that followed the hype and continued to buy on the highs of that moment are paying the price now, but if BLDV delivers then every share in this price range is likely to be a deal. Of course those that sell on a flip can also miss out as I have mentioned earlier.
A thousand dollar investment at 1.3 cents would have only bought you approx 76,000 shares of BLDV
when the board was advertising the "deals" at 0.008 as well, screaming the sale prices going on, A thousand dollar investment would have bought you 125,000 shares
On todays low of 0.0028 that same thousand dollar investment would have bought you 357,000 shares. See the pattern here of hype versus greed?
Will BLDV go back down to 0.0015 or 0.0007 cents a share or more? Who knows and who really cares? If it does your small $1000 investment can buy up to 1.4 million shares in this example alone.
One thing is for sure, there is only so many shares available to be purchased and when supply meets demand thats where the price moves. Right now someone is selling but it may not take much buying at some point to suck up those "slack shares". Love to see some significant FTD's on some MM's trying to push this down too far and getting whacked. LOL
So you can see your $1000 investment can buy a whole range of shares depending upon what the price of the stock is selling for that day. Someone is trying to scare others into selling theirs, but at some point when the price gets market down a "boxing sale" will occur and everyone will be trying to get the cheap shares at the same time. Only problem is there may not be enough to go a round.
Love the deals though. I love the smell of napalm in the morning and I just love the market in general.
Its was an awesome day today as usual.
stervc we both agree merger is a possibility.
My post was made primarily to show the experience and connections that are tied to the Blue Diamond Ventures team. The fact that Robert Gasich of e-World Capital/Zenergy/marketideasinc and Martin Mcintyre of MJM Capital Inc, both employed by Blue Diamond Ventures should signify the odds that some bigger financing things or reverse mergers are possibly in the works.
Robert Gasich Reverse Merger Expertise
http://www.marketideasinc.com/reverse_merger.asp
SEC Info - Combined Companies Corp - 8-K - For 2/6/01
Robert Gasich is a director of Print Data. Mr. Gasich has been a Senior Consultant with eWorld Capital, Inc., since April 2000
www.secinfo.com/d118et.425.htm
Print data also announced that Martin Mcintyre and Robert Gasich of MJM Capital Inc. and e-World Capital respectively, are no longer associated with Print Data Corp.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-1496138_ITM
Martin Mcintyre and Robert Gasich employed by Blue Diamond Ventures
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200603/ai_n16106984
Of course any shareholders in a cheap penny play will likely be the very last to know what is actually being planned. But this is not a penny stock with staff that have no qualifications or ambitions, in fact BLDV is quite the opposite, hiring and circling itself with prominent figures and corporations and cutting edge research pools.
With the reverse merger proof of experience on staff, that and with other ihub members and myself uncovering and various suiters waiting in the wings as possible good candidates for a match with BLDV, no one can say that a reverse merger is unlikely, what with Robert Gasich on staff.
The question should be with whom would BLDV join with or when, not if, as the experience is there. The only other possible situation I can see is a partnership forming in exchange for funding support to build its operations.
Personally, I'm not expecting any news with this game, in my thinking its an accumulation game now on lows with a halt on news that will likely be left out for anyone playing the spreads. BLDV will likely be continuing to look for its best options while still largely doing unglamorous work setting things up.
Reverse merger Zenergy & BLDV have connections/expertise??
What do Robert Gasich, Zenergy, and Blue Diamond Ventures all have in common?
Reverse Merger Expertise!!!
http://www.marketideasinc.com/reverse_merger.asp
Robert Gasich is the Chief Executive Officer of Market Ideas, Inc. With his vast knowledge, experience, and accomplishments in the industry, Mr. Gasich oversees all reverse mergers, financings, block sales of securities, and public relations efforts.
Mr. Gasich brings almost two decades of experience in the financial services and investment industries to Market Ideas. His background, knowledge, and skills render him an indispensable asset to the Market Ideas team.
Currently, Market Ideas is working diligently with a new energy company focused on biofuels. From corporate development to specific deal negotiation, including capital structure, locating key management, site procurement, and engaging institutional investors, Market Ideas is comprehensively advising the company from early stage to IPO. The company intends to produce over 1 billion gallons of biofuels over the next five years, requiring over $200 million investment. More information may be found at www.ZenergyIntl.com.
Blue Diamond To Build Alternative Fuel Plants in Belize, United States
Blue Diamond Ventures, Inc., an agriculture, biofuels, and commercial development company with operations in Belize and the United States, recently announced plans to build new ethanol and biodiesel facilities in Oklahoma and Belize. According to Blue Diamond, the company plans to initially construct a 3.5-million-gallon-per-year (MGY) ethanol facility in Belize that will use sugar cane and molasses as feedstock. The company also plans to build a five-MGY biodiesel facility in Belize that will use vegetable oils and animals fats as feedstock. Blue Diamond chairman and CEO John Quincey Moaning said he envisions expanding the capacity of the Belize ethanol plant to as much as fifty MGY as local farmers grow more sugar cane to take advantage of the market for their product. Contact: Robert Gasich, phone: 877-295-3981, ext 1.
http://www.naftc.wvu.edu/NAFTC%20eNews/May%2006/aroundtheworld.html
Another Blue Diamond Ventures article has Robert Gasich as a contact
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200603/ai_n16106984
Shareholders Contact Info: MARKET IDEAS, INC. ROBERT GASICH 1.877.295.3981 -- EXT 1 MARTIN MCINTYRE 1.877.295.3981 -- EXT 2
Investor Relations
http://www.zenergyintl.com/investor.html
Interested parties may contact:
Robert Gasich Martin McIntyre
800.585.4407 ext. 3 800.585.4407 ext. 4
email: Investors@ZenergyIntl.com
What do Robert Gasich, Zenergy, and Blue Diamond Ventures all have in common? It seems they are all connected and Mr Gasich has reverse merger expertise. On Mr. Gasich MARKET IDEAS website Mr. Gasich oversees all reverse mergers, with BLDV employing Mr. Gasich, what are the odds that a reverse merger occurs?
stervc,
Wasnt there also a whole lot of flack about BLDV paying money to some China company a while back? I remember naysayers and bashers knocking BLDV on such a point a while back, now with this bluediamondtrades.com also has a Shanghai Blue Sail co, could there be a relation to BLDV and its China thing I vaguely remember a while back? Maybe you or someone else has the info on that?
Hard to say if there is a connection or not, but the coincidence between Blue Diamond Ventures making a trading division and the BlueDiamondTrades trading bio-fuel seems too uncanny to not be connected somehow. At the very least Blue Diamond Ventures should be getting that other co. to change its name if it isnt cause its too similar to BLDV's for its bio-fuel trading division. They look like twins, its hard to not think that BLDV has been hiding a faberge egg while accumulating beaten down $3.25 shares for 0.0007 or so. Will BLDV head back up to historic highs at some point?
It makes sense if your a smaller co. to first focus on setting up a trading division, or basic distribution channels in preparation for building your own production plant. After all its easier to raise money at the BANK if you can show Mr. Banker that your already selling various volumes of fuel stocks and supplies. It also makes sense starting with the distribution channel, after all you can make MONEY bringing the buyer (consumer of fuel) and seller (the grower) together and use that profitability to building your own plant to further increasing profits. Like a real estate agent selling a home without having to own the house, yet making a 7% comission anyways. After all it doesnt take much to getting other companies to "brand name" themselves under the Blue Diamond moniker if you can provide them with more profitable markets for selling their goods, right? So how many companies would be willing to sign under the Blue Diamond "Ribbon" moniker? After all the whole bio-fuel is a relatively newer area where growers are used to talking to "bakers of bread" rather then high octane oil and gas companies. Could BLDV have done just that? This might also explain why BLDV has hired such prominent figures in industry and key levels of government to form such distribution systems. We all know BLDV was beaten down while investors thought these figures were "feeding at the trough", but what happens if the opposite turns out to be true and they instead developed a trading & distribution system that maybe profitable?
I havent really been tabulating my DD as I have found that I then get too relied upon by others and have found some better techniques for making my great trade plays, so I thought I would ask about the China connections to see if anything else is there. Bluediamondtrades.com also seems to have a China connection, does that point to BLDV possibility?
Generally I would think the retail investor will be kept in the dark with a penny play till all components are in place, but maybe we have found a sparkler or two of gems to get in on time. Whether bluediamondtrades is related to BLDV or not, the truth to most things will normally only happen once the stock has achieved a higher price, or the latter if the co. has nothing happening.
Only time will tell, but when I stumbled on the bluediamondtrades link and saw the similarities I just had to bring it to the board to see if anyone else could come up with any connections or not. After all that website looks more together then BLDV's LOL
It will be interesting to finding out as things moves forward, but right now the twins and triplets walking around all look to be fathered by the same man. Whoa ha ha ha!
"The shells will try to hide the little pea, but there is nothing better then doing a little DD".
Quix
Is bluediamondtrades.com related to the BLDV trading division that was formed?
Hi, new to the board and thought I would ask my first question here....
We know in a recent news article that Blue Diamond Ventures Completes Establishment of BioFuels Trading Division
Houston, TX. - Blue Diamond Ventures, Inc. announced that its biofuels trading division has been established and the company expects to move substantial amounts of biofuels soon.
http://www.americanventuremagazine.com/news.php?newsid=1791
Now I did a search for Blue Diamond Trading Division and came up with a hit on google called;
http://www.bluediamondtrades.com
sure enough it also has a head office in Austin Texas, whereas blue diamond ventures has its head office as listed in Houston TX. Everything in Texas including that university right?
Blue Diamond Trading & Investment Co., Inc, an independent trading & investment company was established in Austin, Texas to trade and distribute various products such as RBD palm olein, crude palm oil, fuel ethanol and bio-diesel in the USA and internationally.
I wonder if BLDV is related to this company or not, through possible shells or holding companies? After all didnt Blue Diamond say they established a BioFuels Trading Division....would this be it?
After all isnt there trade marking of company names within the same lines of industry. Two bio-fuel trading companies with "Blue Diamond" would be confusing then to say the least. Which makes me think there maybe some sort of connection possible.
I'll let the board and other investors do the DD.
Thanks.