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Perhaps it's time to start setting the wheels in motion for someone else to pay.
BADRUDY.COM I see just added a new section seeking donations for a legal fund.
This could get very interesting.
As you wish.
The boy sure has some issues doesn't he ? Great that he seeks to blame the investors in a case like this. Addresses it like it was some shot in the dark " pump play " without substance that we all foolishly jumped into. Best for his position to disregard facts of the past.
Example:
A unique beverage named for a nationally recognized figure who's revered like mom, the flag, and apple pie. Also does multiple speaking engagements yearly which practically makes him a walking advertisement for the product.
How many scam pennies appear on FOX NEWS AT NOON to promote their new product ? Rudy did !
How many new independent beverage companies have a new mixing facility built exclusively for them at a cost of 2 million financed by honest businessmen.
I'd mention again the NEW YORK STATE LUNCH PROGRAM RECO. but Lou doesn't give that any weight. Sure it's free advertisement and public endorsement (so to speak) but holds no weight with Lou.
I could go on and on just to try and convince Lou the stock guru that maybe the thousands of investors may not have been as moronic as he portrays them but what would be the point ? We lost money because we we're stupid. Easily said after the fact when the facts are denied.
WELL GOLLY GEE... look who's back ? It's Loco Lou. Thought for sure they would have kept you in-house a tad longer. But hey, with what health care is today and those damn insurance companies and all it's no surprise.
Now lets examine your last post there Lou. Hope we can do a better examination than those shrinks who signed off on you did.
" Who is directly responsible for 1000's loosing their hard earned money ??"-- Well Lou so far the federal Govt. says that 6 individuals are at last count with more to follow. You are aware of the indictments are you not ? Pretty much spells out who, what and how don't you think ? Sure that's only act one but I think it sets the stage nicely for the rest of the play. Do you know some the names of the people who lost money on this Lou ? Lot'sa big,smart businessmen right along with us common folk. But we didn't loose money Lou. It was stolen! There's a difference you know. Sure the moneys gone but why it's gone is what counts now. You gonna blame all the Madoff investors too you pompous moron ? How about the Enron victims for good measure.
Your a pip Lou. Next time you should request a 60 day stay in the laughing academy. Or better yet just communicate with your therapist the way you communicate with us here. Employee your own special brand of logic with him as we're use too. Don't think a request will be necessary then Lou.
Now just for the record Lou. Where does Rudy sit with you this week ? Is he the innocent target unjustly accused or the bad guy who associates with black hats ?
Just took the time to review all the youtube promos AGAIN !!!
Almost unbelievable. How does anyone who's been blessed with so much lose his way the way this man did. An iconic name, comfortable wealth, beautiful healthy children and an opportunity to greatly increase his financial security and name recognition while at the same time providing the public with a positive consumer product.
Far too much has been revealed that could reasonably exculpatate him from the destruction that has been caused, Time and time again.
A public figure, a public betrayal !
A RECKONING !!
Don't believe your gonna be able to get off the canvass and knock out your bigger opponent this time Rudy. Think you'll go down for the count. The fans that chanted RUDY--RUDY--RUDY on the day that occurred way back when ( which was later transferred to the movie ) won't be chanting your name anymore.
With a reckoning will come a chant of JUSTICE by more than a few. Hell ! you may even hear the word BADRUDY resonate throughout the venue.
Damn shame. Such potential, such deception.
My good man I would venture to guess he was made aware of your post no later than 12:00 noon.
Quite some content there......
Perhaps someday we shall communicate one on one.
You must have some excellent sources of information available to you. Well done !
General Question: Is ANYONE able to view messages on the Yahoo message boards ??? Can't seem to bring any up.
Just maybe with some luck and perseverance the Govt. will for him.
Six whole days without a single post ? I miss Lou :o(.
Hope everything is OK buddy.
Your too kind, but thank you......
Posters like Lou somehow inspire me :o)
Besides Lou accused me of being void of a sense of humor...
And that hurt :o(
G/R , I don't know. Maybe we're being a little harsh when dealing with old Lou here. I only say that because it's becoming increasingly apparent the poor soul has issues that are beyond his control. Very, very erratic in his assessments and support of the Irish icon. Leads me to believe there just may be some imbalances there that may be best addressed with medication adjustments.
Case in point !
Lou,Louis,Louise,Lucille in post #4080 stated " RUDY IS THE GREATEST ", that's a direct quote.
Thennnnnn in #4076 he claims " RUDY IS A GENIUS ", " A MONEY MAKING MACHINE ". Remember some select earlier posts where the big L was giving his support to Rudys lack of culpability ?
OPPPPPs ! #4069 " RUDY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT BUINESS " - Your words Lou, not mine. It's a fact, it's written.......
Let's not forget (same post) - " NEXT PROJECT MAY BE A BOOK ABOUT THE ART OF B/S ". Geez Louise take a stand......
But here comes the best contradiction from you, the author of the following. " HE SURROUNDS HIMSELF ( & PROBABLY STILL SURROUNDS ) HIMSELF WITH *** YES MEN AND CON MEN *** ".
- " NOW RUDY OWNED ALL THE STOCK WITH HIS ** HENCHMEN ** ".
" LIGHTING CIGARS WITH DOLLAR BILLS, LIVING THE HIGH LIFE, GOLFING, MANSION ETC. ETC. ", on our money.
Hey Chippy - you wrote it all. That and much more. Review it, print it, then show it to your therapist. Maybe they'll find a little tweaking in the 'ole meds is in order.
Best O'luck......
Lou,Lou,Lou, but you are so wrong. As a long time Vegas friend of Rudys I'm confident your here at his request doing what you can do to calm the seas or get people off the water.
Sorry 'ole chum. Your just causing bigger waves because your attempts are so obvious.
Let's get real. Rudy " tried to pull this off ", " but failed ". Oh no bucko, he pulled it off with great success, he and his pirates, from near day one. Seems he just may have went a bit too far though. The GBVS deal, the Rudy Partners deal, RUNU, then Accupoll, then Rudn, then MHLI, OOOPPPPP's. Well almost MHLI :o( .
Still get a real kick out of the FAIRPLAY announcement and the false 10-k filing. The brokerage house makes me giggle too.
Human nature I suspect. You get greedy, you get a little success then you get arrogant. From there you get sloppy.
Just look at the people involved Lou. Want them named ? Not just the ones under indictment now. No that doesn't show the whole picture. Look at the core Lou. Peel the onion and guess what you'll find. Looks like a couple chefs are doing that right now Louie duey...... wonder what all they're gonna find when they stir up the whole pot ?
Stick around Lou. History in the making here. Besides as I mentioned before, your cheap sport.....
ATTENTION AGAIN:
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please review the post on RUDN (this date) explaining this then go to the B/R site.
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You are encouraged to review the form and contact B/R should you have any questions.
And here I was trying to be civil and you have to go with the condescending attitude again. So we're all " morons " ?
Actually I'm glad you posted your last 'cuz at minimum I now know your shooting in the dark and just taking cheap shots without proper historical knowledge. That alone garners you the ego/ignorance award for the week.
Rudy? " no business man ", maybe not ? I can feel secure in saying no beverage business man. But he never was supposed to be. His role was to look pretty, make a few appearences, sign a few bottles etc. etc.. He and his changed that while others stood helplessly by and saw THEIR WORK get destroyed. This is as you know an over-simplification of the events. But then again maybe you don't based on your last post.
Starting to think you don't have much knowledge here and perhaps anywhere Lou. Seems you like to exploit hindsight when your not even holding a chip in the game. Perhaps you should take that chip, cash it in and go buy yourself some " EXTENSE ". Just might help with some of the issues that I believe bring you to this board and no doubt others.
LOU CHIP; First off let me commend you on a nicely presented post. We differ on opinions but presentation of info. sure is more pallatable when offered this way (naturally).
There is a little element here that you have overlooked in your assessment of whether or not a beverage can make it. That would be what I learned was the four most important factors needed for success. I learned this from an industry expert some years ago. Know what they are ?
1. distribution
2. distribution
3. distribution
Guess what #4 is ?????
And guess who was having a good initial success in achieving it ? The others you may have alluded to either didn't or couldn't.
Ex. There was in the recent past an investment advertisment sent out to thousands concerning a new GREAT, HEALTHY beverage about to hit the market providing a fantastic opportunity for investors who got in on the ground floor. Let's call it VIOLET. Really,really fine drink. Problem was the owner was known as a scammer who like so many wanted to make his money selling shares, not bottles. An honest distributor I respect told me he looked at the beverage for his business then poo-poo'd it as soon as he saw the owners name, let's call him Scamswork. It appears that the distributor was not alone in this actions. The beverage died and the inventor never got all the ill-gotten gains he so hoped to acquire from the unfamiliar investors. This WAS NOT the case or intent with the RBI " BEVERAGE PEOPLE " maybe others involved ? but not them.
Consumers like jurors are sheep. Presentation and perception are key when you have expertice. It's not reality, it's the common perception of it that makes it real. People loved the beverage and believed in it right or wrong. They loved the name and the window dressing that went with it. It as we all know couldn't overtake the big boys as LATER CLAIMED. That is impossible !!! but it had the potential to grab enough market share to make it a viable investment and enough quality to give the consuming public an accessable alternative to the crap they were drinking which many were very enthusiastic about. It was good, the string pullers were bad. End of Story. Have a good weekend...
Bacon: Give them a break... I mean why would you have people like Carver,Bates,Bowdren etc. run a beverage company for you. Just because that's what they did for a living shouldn't mean anything. Their expertise, their connections, their initiative ! hell, don't mean a thing. Guess it's best to get rid of them, drive them out.... then bring in new people to sell the stock ( OOOOPs I mean beverage ).
Now they did HAVE A CLUE about running a company Bacon (bunch of them ). They sure proved that. Just not a company that sells beverages.
Granted that they didn't make us any money but sure looks like they made themselves a pile. Think I hear a doz er in the background warming up and getting ready to move that pile into the hands of a bunch of new attorneys though. Hope there's some left for the Government to pass around when all's said and done.
Thanks for backing up the " military made " issue.
Ahhhh! but you do like to modify others words or intent to fit your manufactured retort. Lot'sa the Gator in those PX's and chow halls I hear. And now I'm the Mad Hatter 'eh ? oh yes, and void of a sense of humor as well, as you said.
NYS Gov. Patterson proposed placing a 4% health tax on all non-alcoholic beverages that contain high sugar levels. This would include pop, sports drinks, energy drinks etc. Doubt it will fly for now. But someday it will. Big brother will mandate it for public health and that may not be a bad thing.
Now if you will a quick scenario.
Let's say two salesmen from a new age beverage company are each assigned to make their pitch to two distributors. Lets call them Huey and LOUIE. Now LOUIE approached his assigned distributor and said " got a new product, good ingredients, good namesake " " far healthier than the Gator " " Wanna buy some ? "
But Huey when approaching his assigned distributor says the same but adds " we've got a study to verify our claims that this is healthier and does what it claims to do better " " matter of fact we even have the endorsement from the NYS School lunch program and are on their recommendation list unlike the others " " That alone should assist your sales people in getting your accounts to take it, good advertising potential as we all know ".
Your saying no value there Lou ?
Sure know it had value with the focus groups, but what good are they I guess.
I spoke with an investor some time ago who told me he took the comparison chart and had it made into a poster and then put it on top of a beverage cooler in a friends store. In two weeks the sales of Gator dropped by 50% and the owner discontinued carrying Poweraide. Just coincidence Lou ?
Will wait for your tap dance should you choose to respond TO THIS SPECIFIC SCENERIO.
BTW - poor LOUIE was sent packing due to his lack of knowledge in product presentation. Last word was he's on the public dole somewhere in Vegas spending his time posting on message boards of companies he's never owned. Real CHIP off the old block, that Louie.
Lou Chip: You can't comprehend it because you don't understand it. You don't understand it because your ignorant of it.
Now again, why are you here ? we know why we are but for the life of me I can't understand why such a savvy investor like yourself would take so much of his precious time posting and retorting like you do. It's also fairly obvious you have failed to do your homework or perhaps the opposite. Just maybe you know it all and have inserted yourself in a lame attempt to divert the truth with a little bit of the old verbal slight of hand so to speak. Do I detect a little of the Billy Flynn in you there Lou ?
But your sport so I'm glad your here furthering " the cause ".
BTW- would you tell me of a product the Armed Forces produces for itself. I know it's not armament, nor uniforms, nor MRE's,nor vehicles so what do they manufacture that every single set of boots might use or consume daily ????
Your comebacks are a little shallow my friend. Work on it !
Just one more little retort then I got'ta dash. I was aware of the sales as I was aware of chains not getting there orders filled because the cash wasn't there to buy the mix and bottle it. It was somewhere else hanging out with the investors money.
Now you use my name and do something that's gonna bring shame to my bill paying prime persona and I'm gonna stop you in your tracks the first time I smell it no matter what the cost.
I'm being benevolent here.
Lou,Lou,Lou - Messed up guy. No such video with GoRudy pumping GBVS. He wasn't in it then, not 'till long after. So you got pinched in a fib there me bucko. Credibility now compromised by such an easily avoidable error.
Why you here Lou Lou ? I still think diversion. BOL that ship has sailed.
Just a little bit on marketing tools - Name recognition, differentiation of product and the right people/organizations saying " this is good " and 'ya that is crap.
But please enlighten us further. I always learn something when people communicate on a particular subject and you do seem to have some substance here and there, and a little poop too !
Just a tinsy question if I could be so bold. If you owned a company who wasn't on the up and up would you want B/R and the likes of G/R on your arse ? hell no, their mess'n with your mojo and skinning you of potential victims you intended to skin.
God bless you Gorudy.
Sorry G/R, I was composing mine while you were typing yours otherwise I wouldn't have touched on the $$$ issues. Is nice to liven up the board with some banter though 'eh ? was getting to booring there for a bit.
Sorry old Lou... think your wrong on a few more points there old chum...
Know why the NYSSLP gave the reco. ? Because it wasn't like the other beverages.
Did you see the comparison chart ??? It's true, that I know.
Did you read the study ?? big medicine men have, and they agreed.
Did you know the Armed Services spends over $800.00 in dental procedures on soldiers returning from the middle-east ? Guess why then guess what would cut that bill way way down. You ever heard of DECA Lou ?
Ever read the Dr. Ralli McGallister article on xylitol ?
How about the 2002 ADA study on the recent rise in enamel erosion on pre-adult teeth. Take a guess what they attributed it to. Then guess what they suggested to combat it.
" RUDY " the movie. Voted in the top 100 inspirational movies of all time. Promotional speaker and motivator. Did you see the company logo in Sly Stallones Contender Series ? The large one in the center of the ring.
Arcadia Farms, but we already addressed that didn't we.
Wish I had Gorudys bank/investing account. Wish I had a 10th. of it. Think maybe you might wish that too.
Shouldn't go there anyways without a sound basis. To easy to step on your d_ _k when your guessing.
LOU CHIP: OK, let's tone it down a little and just address the differences.
Just a few points !!!
Arcadia Farms (not a dairy farm as Rudy referred to it as) spent TWO MILLION DOLLARS to add a wing exclusively for the production of Rudy Beverage. This is fact. There is more that I won't get into but it would have been very positive.
Rudy Beverage within months got not only reviewed by BEVNET but also received a good rating.
THE NEW YORK STATE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM placed FLYING COLORS on its recommendation list nearly right out of the box.
Walmart was close, very close. There's more to that. You'd need to do your own d/d.
People were waiting to expand the product into foreign countries.
People were waiting in the wings to jump on the wagon once it got on the right road. Others chose not to take that road even when knowing this.
They had good beverage industry people to start.
They were selling products to chains, c-stores, bodagas,
They had momentum.
This was not your average penny stock. It had legs, great legs 'till the BOYS broke 'em.
Forget the b/s pumps we are all familiar with. Look at the announcements concerning actual progression.
Three frigg'n days away. But no, some people wouldn't listen. It wasn't in their agenda. Just maybe never was.
Think maybe a few wished they could turn back the clock though.
TOO TOO LATE however. Like the pit and the pendulum, every passing minute it gets closer.
Sad, very sad.
LOU CHIP my friend either you don't know or your playing ignorant. They had a plan, they had a great product. They had some talented people behind them to get it going. Butttt: guess who brought in the thieves in the early stages to " get them their initial funding ". Know who I'm talking about Lou ? know who he brought in Lou ? Know who's throats got cut and business's that got the shaft ? The clean money was available old chum. Just a little house cleaning and letting the knowing people run the show. That's all. If RBI would have gotten the 80% for business development as promised instead of the 20% they got maybe things would have been different. Correction, no maybe. If selected people would have grabbed for the rope when offered rather than play games behind the scenes the ship wouldn't have sunk the way it did.
" hummmm, wouldn't have sunk the way it did " less of course you set sail in another direction then keyhole your own boat below the waterline ?.
Little more d/d my friend, little more.
It's almost like you can hear the theme from JAWS in the background isn't it ?
DUM,DUM,DUM,DUM,~DUM,DUM,DUM,DUM....
DE-LADA-DEEEEEEEEEE
DUM,DUM,DUM,DUM !
Sometime the shark go away........
Sometime he don't go away............................. !
PS - Hows Vegas ?
Lou Chip - Where are you ??? come now, lets joust a little bit. You got my dander up with your post and I just want to vent a little bit and then let any monitoring investors ( or whoever ) decide who is responsible for what.
You say Rudy wasn't in the mix on this ?
You say why you think he wasn't then I'll say why I think he was.
I'll take it by the numbers. Spell it out real nice so even a second grader could understand.
Sure, maybe a few tracks were initially covered, but not all. Problem now is with 6 from the mix doing tricks to soften their own fall ??? 'ohhhhhhh man. Knock,knock,knock -
DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !
but who knows ? maybe i'm wrong. But then again ?
Nothing personal here Lou, just the facts.
It's actually apparent you don't know your ass from your hat as it pertains to this particular company, its product and its sordid journey. If you did you wouldn't post such a moronic statement. If your agenda is attempting to act as some type of buffer or smokescreen your just a wee bit late.
I expect a retort. Please do, the more the banter the more the information gets exposed.
If information is still current, they are delisted.
If information is still correct, the Sec. of State of Nevada suspended their license to operated in that state.
If information is accurate their most current company president stated to an investor that he is no longer connected to the company.
If information is true they have no current contact numbers or investor relations people.
Can anybody dispute the above ?
Happy Saint Patrick's day......
Enforcement @ SEC.GOV 9AM. on the 17th.
CONTROL IT: According to many inside sources Rudy never accepted the idea of being " just a figurehead " and pretty much became the guy who pulled the strings from the start. It's been alledged he drove the beverage people out to make room for his new crew (google them) and wouldn't break from his early associations and suspect new people even though he was advised by others to do so. Many said he was told to clean up his house if he aspired to go forward. He cleaned up for sure. Just cleared out the wrong people and then the games really began.
Little correction: Appears as though the remaining stock at the Chicago location has been paid for but with the judgement against the company I have to wonder who would then own it ?
If in fact the company is no longer operating, saying this only because investors have not been able to confirm that it is, no contact numbers, delisted, etc.. Then what will be done with this product ?
just caught my coarse, sorry golf course. The way I play is pretty coarse however.
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You may want to monitor the BADRUDY.COM site for information on both GBVS and RBI/RP/RUNU/RUDN... Information on a class action has been mentioned and a govt. contact discussed also.
You may post openly there on * messages or send e-mails as described on the home page.
Don't puke yet. Might be a Yahoo problem. Was able to get some message boards today but STILL CAN'T GET GBVS MESSAGE BOARD.
Can anybody ?
Is anyone having difficulty bringing up message boards on Yahoo ???
Just for informational purposes. The product according to information received is no longer being produced. Allegedly less than 100 pallets remain in the Chicago Bottlers warehouse with no owner. According to sources the company president and others have detached themselves from the company. Their Nevada registration is said to be revoked and a default judgement looms over them. Most of this information I see posted on badrudy.com. Check it out for yourselves and make some calls.
You will also find in reviewing their last 10-k filed that there is allegations of fraudulent reporting concerning outstanding debt.
Also note that when you attempted to get an outstanding share count from Signature Stock Transfer (Plano Texas) you were advised that they were instructed by the company (RUDN) " NOT " to give out this commonly obtainable information but instead were instructed to contact Kevin Quinn @ GO IRISH, another Rudy company. This is curious in that Mr. Quinn is a disbarred California lawyer with past sanction(s)from the SEC prohibiting from dealing with penny stocks.
Seems as though those some folks who got involved with Rudys distribution offer got the bone too and are trying to seize the company for any remaining assets.
Possible that the game is finally over. The last three moves over the last two years were really something to watch. Step by step it just got better and better. Really liked the stock transfer to Panama and a few other moves.
See on the Badrudy message(s) site that a poster is rallying everyone to file an e- complaint with the SEC on St. Patrick's day. That's cute and appropriate. People should make some noise anywhere and any legal way they can.
This has been both the best but yet sloppiest one I've ever encountered. A new multi-million dollar home on a new Vegas golf coarse. I hope this American hero appreciated your donations.
As one investor put it, TICK TICK TICK .............
This really is one for the books, great reading ! looking forward to the last chapter.
a possible NY TIMES best seller " FOLLOW YOUR SCHEMES " a depiction of greed..............
No, EVERYONE ELSE......
The tragedy is this one didn't have to be. He had a chance to recover and go forward the right way. But alas, easier to sell shares than beverages. Make your money quick then set it up to bust out.
May have a wee bit of a problem with the recent arrests though. Never know who's gonna look to negotiate a better deal for themselves and pass along some damning information about another company and its members. Whole new set of names and a few more feathers in federal law enforcements cap.
Nice press and nice easy picken's for the I.R.S.. Imagine what it must be like to feel your collar tighten a little everytime there's an unexpected knock at that door. I wonder if they wonder if it was worth it ?.
Would love to review the depositions of those who didn't get busted. Maybe they'll wind up on the BADRUDY.COM site someday when they become public information. Let's hope so.
Would you honestly expect less from a man like this ?
If an opportunity arises to further his cause he'll take it and milk it for whatever it's worth. Big or small. No doubt his little " team " are seeking new opportunities to exploit the NAME with its promoted IMAGE. Almost ironic that a blind association would choose to attach itself with him and his.