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Which site? DNA Direct, or DNAPrint Genomics? Specific link, please?
"If you look at the DNA partner section of the site you will see many companies listed, but not this one."
Sam,
Exactly. If the contract was terminated, we wouldn't expect to see those statements on the DNA Direct website, still. Yet, there they are!
Good news in California!
3 DNA test firms get state OK
Friday, August 22, 2008
San Francisco Business Times
http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2008/08/25/story8.html
First sentence of article: "Genetic testing firms DNA Direct, Navigenics Inc. and 23andMe Inc. have the state Public Health Department’s swab of approval."
Recall this news, that links DNAPrint Genomics with this development:
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DNA Direct has partnered with DNAprint Genomics, to deliver cutting-edge ancestry testing.
DNA Direct Now Offers Genetic Genealogy Testing
http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/10/16/dna-direct-now-offers-genetic-genealogy-testing/
Posted by Blaine Bettinger, Ph.D.
16 October 2007
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Also, who is DNA Direct:
http://www.dnadirect.com/patients/about/experts.jsp
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Interesting trades and developments, lately!
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=OTC:DNAG
Criminal behavior that severely harms DNAG share price *IS* on topic. Do not delete these messages, please and thank you very much.
[Edit: Out of my free postings for the day, again, it appears. See you sometime after midnight, all. Good luck, and roll with the good news, not against it! Don't let naysayers ruin anything. They have no power if we don't give them power. These are truly great days for DNAG. How many other sub-penny stocks have their own, new, Forensic Files episode, new buyout offer, consistent and ongoing positive press, such valuable pipelines, etc? None that I'm aware of! DNAG is like pure gold, selling for the price of spoiled apples. The strongest buy I'm aware of, anywhere. My opinion, of course, but as the regulars here know, I put my money where my mouth is. DNAG is making me happier than all of my other stock holdings, combined, despite the fact that most of them were skyrocketing in the past week. I see a lot more upside potential with my DNAG investment, than with any of the others. Go, DNAG!]
Sideem. You mean 11 to 16 cents, right? (Not fractional cents.)
Even if I was offered that much for my DNAG shares, I don't think I would sell. I would continue to hold, or buy back in or whatever, depending on the circumstances. I know DNAG is worth much more than that. The stock market looks forward, to future earnings. (Or at least, it's supposed to. That system is actually highly vulnerable.)
Yes, this is great news we're seeing! Truly an upswing in DNAG's fortunes.
The shrill and increasingly negative tone coming from certain posters, is yet another positive sign! When pure gold is being sold for the price of spoiled apples, the unscrupulous buyer would scream all around, about how those rotten apples stink. Such strategies are highly effective. Just imagine what would happen if one or more hecklers were allowed to position themselves, 24 hours a day, every day, outside of a jewelry store, screaming and kvetching about how the diamonds are a "scam," they are nothing but "low quality glass," and blah blah blah, and so forth. That jewelry store would suffer just about as much, as DNAG stock and financing have! Of course jewelry stores are protected. DNAG and other stocks are not. Exploitation is too hard to resist, for some unscrupulous individuals.
"Chrisbaskett,"
Please substantiate your claim here, that "an ending there will be." DNAG's strengthening hand does not portend worsening or catastrophic outcomes, quite the opposite.
"Chrisbaskett," DNAG does not have a "very weak hand right now." Quite the opposite, as I've just explained.
A dead horse does not require constant beatings, "stockboy." You have never succeeded in convincing me that DNAG is a dead horse. I view it as quite the opposite, Fortune 500 material, which has fallen victim to horrible practices that have put it, and the stock, in financial trouble. Well worth saving.
Not really. Our hand has grown considerably stronger recently, in part because our public relations and public awareness have skyrocketed in recent days, due to:
1. The new "Good as Gold" Forensic Files episode, which is all about DNAG helping to solve murders with their "groundbreaking" DNAWitness technology.
2. The new buyout proposal, which has created a lot of buzz, and awareness that DNAG isn't *nearly* as worthless as some want us to believe.
3. The ongoing and consistently positive press (It's been positive for quite some time, in stark contrast to what some people constantly write.) For instance:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=dnaprint+genomics+boulder+police+10+year+old+rape+murder
If the offer is poor, we can hold out for a better offer, or use our newfound P.R. strength to finally obtain the desired funding. You don't abandon hope when the light at the end of the tunnel is shining brightly in your eyes.
If blue eyes are caused by a knockout mutation (in a gene that is critical to the formation of the brown pigmentation in brown-eyed persons,) then I would agree with Dr. Frudakis, that it likely arose several times independently. Knockout mutations are relatively very common, and can occur independently, surprisingly often. As a sometimes-avid aquarist (currently inactive in the hobby,) I've seen such mutations occur in my own fish and snails, multiple times. When a snail has such a knockout mutation, for shell color, the underlying body color shows through the translucent shell (in the case of snails with translucent shells, anyway.) In the case of Planorbis planorbis (a type of "ramshorn" snail common in the aquarium industry, usually brown-shelled, and red-bodied through selection,) this gives them a purplish-blue look, with a bit of green, the color varying by oxygenation levels, etc. (Their blood is colored not only by red-blue hemoglobin, but by a copper-based oxygen transport system, as well.) Anyway, if everyone with blue eyes has exactly the *same* mutation that has disabled exactly the *same* gene, then it's possible it all stems from a single mutation event. Though dating it precisely could prove to be difficult.
Copy number variation in the human genome, and other factors, have recently cast a whole lot of doubt on a whole lot of such datings, usually causing upward revisions in LCA (last common ancestor) dates, we're seeing revisions roughly from 70,000 to 100,000 years ago (older, "Out of Africa" estimates,) to 500,000 - 700,000, 1 million, and estimates as high as 8 million years old, or even indefinite/indeterminate (in excess of 20 million years, perhaps, which would be a scenario of extremely long-term multiregional evolution.) With what we're currently seeing in other species, I personally think 2 million years, to indefinite/indeterminate (20 or 30 million years, perhaps more,) is likely. But I'm not in the mainstream on this. The mainstream appears to be moving in a direction convergent with my views, which is encouraging for me, of course. I can't take credit for most of this stuff, as there are many "multiregionalists" who have preceded me. I stand on the shoulders of giants, as always.
P.S., the Lacandon tribe if Maya (Mayan) people, should be investigated. Reportedly, they've recently had independent mutations for things like blue eyes, and even albinism (or at least much lighter skin.) Some attribute this to genetic problems due to inbreeding, but I'm not so sure it's as clear-cut as that. Another possibility is that they have, contrary to their religious taboos, interbred with Caucasian outsiders. Genetic tests should be able to detect that, if it has occurred.
Related search link:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lacandon+albinism
Albinism is another type of knockout change, not necessarily identical in every case, and not, to my knowledge, stemming from a single mutation event.
Another intriguing thing about the Maya peoples; reportedly, some of their distinctive genetic markers have been detected, yet not explained, in Greek populations. This detection occurred long after speculation of a possible connection between the two ancient groups. I was recently in a private Maya museum in Yucatan, run by a Maya man, and one of his books, in Spanish, deals with the subject of similarities and apparent connections between the two. My guess is, maybe some Mayas made it to Greece, long before Columbus. Just a guess. They did have boats, after all, and the first recorded sighting of Maya people by Europeans, was of Mayas in trading boats, in the Caribbean sea. I apologize for the digression, but I think it's related to AncestryByDNA.
Preciouslife,
Thank you for your frank and informative reply. Thanks for your efforts, and I hope you have a good one, too.
All that said, DNAG's future looks brighter than ever, buyout or no. Go, DNAG!
Now that the nearly impenetrable wall of investment dissuasion has been at least partly penetrated, as evidenced by recent events (buyout proposal, "Good as Gold" episode, and continuing positive press,) may DNAG and every beneficient and harmless person associated with it, prosper as they justly shall do. Good luck. I think the light at the end of the tunnel is shining amazingly brightly.
I still see these recent events as being extremely positive. Of course, we need details before we can evaluate the proposed buyout. But even if it stinks, we're coming out way ahead, in a public relations sense, and our hand has strengthened rapidly, in recent days. Aside from other companies now knowing that there is interest in buying out DNAG, that Forensic Files "Good as Gold" episode should carry a lot of persuasive power. When more people realize DNAG's value, we all benefit.
[Edit: I'm out of my daily free posts, it appears. I'll post after midnight, more than likely. By the way, if a big company were to buy DNAG, we would probably have very limited upside. A share swap from a small company wouldn't necessarily have that effect. Of course, non-dilutive and non-undercutting financing is much more desireable. And more likely now, that DNAG's reputation and public profile are skyrocketing. Financing could come from any quarter, now, with more corporate believers in DNAG apparently forming. Also, go, Bernanke! Note, I fully expect the badmouthing of DNAG to intensify, as those who sense a bottom in share price, become more desperate to drive the price back down, so they can gorge themselves. Such illegal stock price manipulation should always be reported to the SEC.]
"stockboy," You don't see it, of course, but DNAG's hand is strengthening rapidly. Fortune 500 is becoming more likely, not less.
Yes, this situation is interesting. Let's say Dutchess doesn't like the deal, they can pretty much ensure that it gets voted down, is that correct? If a lowball offer or highly dilute share swap is proposed, Dutchess could:
- say no, and Dutchess might loan more to DNAG (hopefully on better terms, now that the Fed is slashing rates right and left,)
- or it could press for better terms
- or Dutchess could say no, and DNAG could get funding or some other deal, elsewhere. Now we have "Good as Gold" and NNBC's interest, those and other factors should be persuasive on our side, when communicating with other investors. These factors, and Dutchess' interest, help to ensure we don't get sold at a terrible price (or overly diluted in a share swap,) or so I hope.
Just speculation, of course.
If you didn't sell or average down, you take your chances, don't you? If you don't like it, stay out of the stock market.
[Edit - text added] : *** P.S., bashing this stock day in and day out, doesn't exactly help your alleged investment, does it? Who is to blame, on both counts? Need a hint?
I'm out of my daily free posts, it appears. I'll post after midnight, more than likely.
An excellent point.
Hard to say, without knowing what the offer is. This sort of thing could go well for DNAG stockholders, or it couldn't. The door is still open for other deals, too. Our hand has gotten considerably stronger, let's not be too hasty. We need to be careful because DNAG stock is extremely, extremely undervalued.
I think that DNAG having so much going for it, uncluding very recent recognition by Forensic Files (in the form of the "Good as Gold" episode,) will give us some more strength to get a good outcome, should this deal be accepted. Also, with the Fed slashing rates, that strengthens our hand, as well. Don't sell for less, DNAG, get a good deal, if you're going to sell at all. Personally I'm not convinced that selling is the right thing to do, at this juncture.
Typical for R&D type companies, until they hit break-even with their products on the market. In fact, there's no other way for R&D's, if they're run as companies in their own right, and not someone else's R&D department. (Then the numbers are just nested inside someone else's balance sheets.)
My break-even point (not counting inflation) for my 6 million shares is $0.004455635 (let's say, $0.0045) per share. I'm hoping for a lot more. Note, I don't plan to sell to cash in on this buyout, I plan to sell much further down the road.
Volume is way up today, more than 25 million already. (Compared to just a few million on most recent days.)
This is nice. Currently at .0044, touched .0045... Let's see where we're headed!
I also hope I wasn't right, when I was speculating that all the nonstop, day-in-and-day-out, obsessive bashing of DNAG, could be related to a takeover attempt, a dirty way to steal the company for much less than would otherwise be possible. Don't get snookered, DNAG.
Hmmm, good question. I hope it's a fair trade, and DNAG's value isn't diluted into nothingness. I'd prefer a pure play on DNAG, of course. Just when the getting is getting better, I hope they don't sell cheap.
Thank you.
Correction: .0039 now. Good. Go, DNAG, you deserve it. Finally getting out of the mud that's been thrown on you for so long, every day, day in and day out, for years.
Real-time price (per Wells Fargo) is .0038 now. Notice, I'm not selling any. I'm holding on for the truly big gains (like $1 per share, or even $20.)
Exploiters want people to buy without limit orders, now, then they want to dump shares, profit taking and crushing the rally (and spirits of DNAG investors) simultaneously. The same old game. I want people to deny the exploiters their ill gotten gains, and give DNAG the conditions it needs to trade properly, and that means buying and selling rationally, with limit orders. Any professional trader knows this.
DNAPrint Genomics richly deserves to succeed, in my opinion. Not only because of their honest hard work, but their technologies are, as has been reported elsewhere, "cutting edge," "groundbreaking," and a definite benefit to science and society. It is shocking to me that unscrupulous individuals were able to drive the share price down so far. Persistent dirty tricks can ruin any low trading volume stock, apparently. SEC, where are you?
Looking at some earlier messages, I see that the Good as Gold episode definitely *is* about DNAPrint Genomics. Great news, indeed!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=26343367
Good suggestions, IMO.
"Good as Gold" is scheduled to air again on Saturday, Feb. 9.
http://tv.yahoo.com/forensic-files/show/30517/upcoming
I'm not sure which time zone those times are listed for, but if you search your local listings, you should be able to pinpoint it. I'll be watching and recording it. Exciting times for DNAPrint Genomics and DNAG stockholders!
I wonder if numbers like these might have been influential in the naming of that new Forensic Files episode, "Good as Gold." I suspect so. I haven't gotten a chance to see that episode yet (I'm waiting for a re-run,) but it sounds like it directly deals with DNAPrint Genomics' technology, and the success thereof, in solving crimes that might otherwise never be solved. It will be interesting to see if the company is explicitly named in the episode. At any rate, it sounds like their technology. Using DNA to determine race, eye and hair color, are mentioned (see below.) If it isn't us, I have no idea who else it could be. Note the use of the word "groundbreaking." Other reports have used phrases like "cutting edge."
http://www.trutv.com/shows/forensic_files/episodes/310.html
"Good as Gold"
Two young women were brutally murdered in Napa, California on Halloween night. The killer left his DNA behind, and a groundbreaking test revealed his race and even the color of his eyes and hair. Technology was able to tell investigators what he looked like... now all they had to do was find him.
When estimating the potential revenue, I include the debt and expenses, obviously, weighed against the potential income from all of DNAPrint Genomics' planned products and spinoffs. It adds up to quite a lot, especially since some of these are generally considered to be extremely high growth areas (DNA Personalized Medicine, AKA Theranostics, probable routine use of DNA-based forensics like DNAWitness in the future, etc.) Plus, never underestimate people's curiosity about where it is they come from. To say that AncestryByDNA and similar products could become a "super fad," at some point, is an understatement. Still, I think the medicinal applications may generate more income, over the long term. DNA, how important is it in the future? I won't rehash old cliches, but you get the idea.
The discovery of much greater genetic variation between people (including members of different races,) has recently greatly increased the importance of genetic testing, because there is vastly more to discover in the individual's genome, now, than was previously believed. (Now, all living people are estimated to be roughly 90% genetically identical. That's a whole lot different from 99.99% genetically identical, which has been the dogma for quite some time, now.) Genetic testing is now vastly more important, for medical reasons alone.
By the way, moving from current price of .0029 (.29 cents,) to a dollar (1.00,) would be a multiplier of 344.83 (rounded up to the nearest hundredths,) which is approximately a 34,000% gain.
Moving from .0029 to 20.00, well, that's a multiplier of 6896.55, or more than a 689,000% gain.
If the company is viable, and I think it is, then current prices are far, far too low.
I apologize in advance for any math errors. I think I did it correctly, but you never know.
"stockboy,"
Who said "the moon" is a penny? If anyone said that, I must have missed it. So, please tell us, who said it? Did you just make it up?
I'm looking at a dollar or more. $20, I think, is not outside the realm of possibility. Of course, it would take years to get there, but I can hold for years. No amount of bashing or scare-mongering can make me sell prematurely.
Just to be succinct, rather than selling "at market," if I were a person who wanted to sell at a penny (which I'm not,) I would sell with a limit order. Buying or selling without limit orders can inflict a lot of damage on one's self, with stocks like DNAG (low trading volume, lots of "slack," and ruthless manipulators waiting in the wings.)
If people want to sell at a penny, that's fine, it gives others (such as newcomers) a chance to buy a lot of shares at that price. Selling at market price when it hits a penny would be a sure way to shoot one's self in the foot, as the PPS would plummet and a penny would not be the selling price. As for me, I wouldn't consider selling any at a penny. It's "the moon or nothing," for me. $1 or more per share, I'm thinking.
rveach, thanks for your insight on this. I fully agree with you about DNAG's prospects. Good luck to you too, and have a great one!