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The MMs have created the chart they want. If you have been following this stock as long as I have, and you have not, you would know that.
Whether you believe it or not, a NSS situation in a debt-free, profitable, growing oil and gas industry stock is a tremendous magnet for many large investors.
Any "real" selling occurred during emergencies, but not even flippers are selling at these levels.
No one is being scared away by NSS recognition, just the opposite is true.
The more and more some posters attempt to dissuade people from getting their certs, either overtly or subtlely as we have seen, the more and more I am convinced Lowman is right on target as far as what shareholders can do. Gone are the "dead horse" issues to pollute the board and offer up some kind of
"street rationale" as to why we are so undervalued.
As soon as the effort becomes concerted again by longs about certs now the focus for those "dead horse" posters becomes to convince longs to not bother getting certs because it is useless and will have no effect. Obviously it has. I think the price will begin to reflect that soon. GLTAL
And another point. KAA has stated, and it is the practice within this industry, when hmgp is sold off to a larger company, the sale will not be based on share price but by oil and gas industry standards based on asset value including proven reserves, leases, and equipment.
The share price does not effect day to day operations because the wells that are producing are paying for themselves as well as providing revenue. As more come back on line, that allows more revenue and more options for Keith, such as more leases, equipment, small companies like Sabine Mineral Trust or whatever else he feels is best for the long term plan of Hemi.
It is the share price and the chart, which have been manufactured by the MMS btw, which scare away investors. Anyone who has done at least a small amount of DD, just in the Ibox for example should recognize how undervalued hemi is.
Posted by Coydog on moneymaking board
Posted by: coydog
In reply to: Renavatio who wrote msg# 23183 Date:11/20/2007 2:12:03 PM
Post #of 23194
Look at the two year chart on HMGP. December was the month to buy each year has a nice run with the runs getting bigger. But I agree football is at its best in December. Buy some good oil stocks and put them away now. Spend your time looking for value plays in football
In dog (and Lowman) we trust. LOL
180 lazyeye what difference to us what KA is doing. He is working his end and we are doing our end. Fishing????
If Hemi was worth .40, .50 up to .90 when oil was selling at 45per bbl and Hemi had one fifth of the Ks leases they do now, what must it be worth now?
MM offered .50 and were turned down by Keith who thought, correctly at that time, Hemi should be 1.00 by summer. MMs offered .50 not to take a loss but recognized the future value of Hemi.
Then the floods came and the scorned MMs have been working overtime to discourage shareholders.
But AS has not changed and in all likelihood will not. This is the gauge for future buyouts I would think because the shares are there for value adding purposes, not for dilutive, debt servicing, bill paying purposes. They will be used to create asset/fundamental value, whether for leases, equipment, companies, whatever.
Without debt Hemi was able to survive a 100 year flood in the hottest oil and gas locale in the US. Any share a stockholder added under a 1.00 was a bargain even it does not seem so now.
MMs are devious. Keith's necessary and strategic decision regarding 100% transparency give them operating room and basher/flippers take advantage.
But Keith has already laid out the strategy and there is nothing to this point to even suspect he is still not right on course.
Lowman, for the record. Not selling until into the dollars. Just wish I could scrounge up more duckets figuring this is the bottom.
In case anyone is interested, bashers in control at RB.
I think this is our Realperson just presenting news with no spin.
By: arealperson
01 Nov 2007, 10:07 AM EDT
Msg. 317 of 334
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Hemi Energy Group Increases Amount of Kansas Oil Wells Producing
Nov 1, 2007 9:59:00 AM
Copyright Business Wire 2007
FORT WORTH, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
Then number 2 basher replies
By: robertkm
02 Nov 2007, 04:15 PM EDT
Msg. 318 of 334
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arealperson
aSCAMcompany LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then number 1 basher replies about six more posts. BTW this is the same basher badge forwarded a post from to many longs before he went to IHub jail last time. (Mods this is not a personal attack, just a statement of fact and IHUB history.)
By: justanaveragejoe
02 Nov 2007, 09:49 PM EDT
Msg. 319 of 334
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robertkm, I did my best to warn everyone of this company and its dubious management.
I wonder if keith is still selling shares to bob wein, or other market makers.
Keep investing with this creep and you will give yourself the exquisite present of a lump of coal in your stocking just in time for Christmas.
Of course if you squeeze hard enough you can turn that coal into a diamond and get your money back.
Real person posts another pr without spin then number 2 basher replies.
By: robertkm
13 Nov 2007, 05:35 AM EST
Msg. 333 of 334
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News out
Stock down
End of story!
My comments FWTW. RB board is clueless and in control of bashers. They like to call this board Ihug LMAO.
We have many more sophisticated investors here including Lowman, Badge, Kelsey, MUR, coydog, realperson, duelittle, pf, zguy and too many others, apologies please for not naming everybody. We know what we have. Many people here have spoken face to face with Keith. no one on rb has gone to Ks or fort worth, people here have much better idea of the bright future of Hemi. MMs try to create doubt on a day to day basis. Looks like great support at .10 Load up when possible and just wait it out. We will all be well soon.
Get in line pal, there are about 200 longs who really, really, really cant wait for the day that Keith shuts you up.
ROTFLMAO
Thank you for taking the initiative and the update Bedwards. I know you are one of the longest longs in this stock. Rather than clog the board with noise you did all longs a great service as a "spokesperson". I always appreciate your posts and give them the weight they deserve. GLTY
some folks could misinterpret that easily. These are all ot and will be deleted as soon as Mur gets up. I have to save my remaining posts.
integration by parts is relatively easy. YOu googled a few math terms. Now if you had said integration by trigonometric substitution or integration by decomposing using partial fractions========= THEN I would have been impressed. LOL
If I am reading this right, and I am sure others will let me know, it is not something Hemi can control and is further evidence of NSS. Someone with better understanding may get more out of it than me. Just trying to put the issue to rest.
This is a small excerpt of a long article.
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Further, and absolutely critically, unless the SEC is going to forbid the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation ("DTC") from loaning out shares that DTC does not have to lend (but "lends" anyway, creating phantom shares that are subsequently used to negatively affect the market for the victim security), "enter[ing] into a 'bona fide' arrangement to borrow the security" will be a non-event for DTC's participants.
To date there appears to be no interest at the SEC in curbing the activities of the ultimate enabling entity for market manipulation via "naked" short selling, which is DTC and its stock lending (better described as its counterfeiting and unregistered distribution) profit center. As long as DTC-supposedly a fiduciary, holding securities in trust for the owners and their representative broker dealers-is permitted to lend the same securities to multiple participants at the same time, charging fees to each participant, and all this without the knowledge or consent of the beneficial owner of the securities, market manipulation will occur. The SEC should bar DTC from lending securities. Period. Why should DTC be allowed to lend someone else's property, which DTC claims to hold in trust, without that person's informed consent, to a broker who is going to use the shares to try to diminish the value of the owner's same property-short selling against the rightful owner's financial interests-and thereby damaging the owner! It is unfathomable that the SEC would allow this to occur, all to the exclusive profit of DTC, its subsidiaries and its "participants" and to the clear detriment of everyone else. At the very least, forbid DTC from ever lending more shares of a security than it actually holds, require outside accountability, and require DTC to deliver the proceeds of such loans to the owners of the securities, not to the rightful owners' so-called "fiduciaries." This scam is unconscionable and must be stopped, and one way or another it will be stopped once the investing public finds out what is happening and how they are being victimized by this so called "Trust" and their so called "fiduciaries." It would be nice to see the SEC take the lead on this.
Again I emphasize, I see nowhere among the requirements listed in the "rules of the registered clearing agency that processed the transaction" the requirement that all non-settled trades actually be settled! Why not, in addition to the penalties stated that the clearing agency is to impose on violators, require the violators to go into the market and purchase the securities they have illegally sold short, and surrender all profits from the trade? Better yet, require the buying broker to inform his client of all settlement failures, and give the buyer the right to cancel any trade that does not timely settle. The fear of buy-in's and potential market losses therefrom will be a greater deterrent than the "penalties" suggested in the Proposed Rule. A NASD wrist slap obviously creates no terror for the industry, because today it does little if anything to deter the behavior of the violator or its peers; if this were not so, why would the same brokers and market makers get fined again and again for the same behavior? A $10,000.00 fine and "censure" is not going to deter a broker or market maker that made $500,000.00 violating the rule for which it was "penalized." It is simply a cost of doing business, and a tax deductible one at that.
http://www.rgm.com/articles/godwin.html
One of my private students had a 95 on a geometry test, another had a 98 and another is holding an A plus in AP Calculus (I tutor math you see) so I have been very happy recently, just not about the share price of Hemi.
But I know long term we will be fine because the amount of oil in the ground is fixed, large producers will never allow any effective technologies until they are tapped out of their own reserves and the Middle East is not becoming stable anytime soon. GLTY
All I can say is that you have apparently found the right board in terms of dealing with dead horses and beating them into pulp before they get to dead horse heaven.
If you have a lot of shares, why be concerned if a few of the hundreds of brokers in the world do not trade the stock?
There are so many that do, and apparently you are registered with one since you have so many shares.
I think every long term investor is not happy about the share price we can all see as undervalued.
It was mostly the people that intended to flip the stock who beat the poor equines beyond death.
How hard is it to change brokerages if that is the biggest issue for any one investor?
Hemi is on track and the time will come when the forces(no details will be given) that are holding us back will be thwarted.
The very minor issues that posters love to jump on are just a distraction.
As a fundamentalist, I know Hemi is a bargain and I came in thinking of a buyout by a larger company.
Because the sp is out of whack with the perceived value, everyone wants to find the magic bullet that explains it all.
Along with all the other dead horse issues, if it is such a big deal then:
Did you do a thorough enough DD of Hemi?
If you did, why is it an issue now?
If Keith and others in the company have known about it for over a year and not had it resolved, it must not seem important to them, so why is it important to us?
How hard is it to transfer to another broker?
Most can be done online like Scottrade, I have never had a problem.
Can we let the dead horse just go to dead horse heaven?
Bring on the next dead horse so we can pound it into glue.
I sure hope this will not be the next dead horse we beat into glue.
From the Alry board, posted to compare not just Alry but Hemi to some other stock. Certainly both stocks are too much undervalued. The two of them are both flying way under the radar of most investors. We should consider ourselves fortunate.
Posted by: LDC
In reply to: None Date:11/15/2007 11:19:27 PM
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I got spam e-mail..USSU.OB, USA Superior Energy Holdings, Inc. market cap of 62.5 million, producing 1200 Barrel oil per month. ALRY has a market cap of under $5 million producing 1500 to 2000 barrels oil per month eqivalent. Price of USSU .91, price of ALRY .07! USSU, 88 wells on 1200 acres. ALRY, 150 wells on over 4000 acres in Kansas and Oklahoma. Think we're undervalued?
I think if people do their DD, they will be willing to find a broker that will trade the stock. That is really only a minor inconvenience if they study and recognize the potential of what we all know about.
Sure it would be better if this were not an issue. Since we have seen a few roadblocks and hinderances placed in front of Keith, some unforeseen like floods and some planned like Knight, it just shows how dedicated Keith and the Craig are to make this happen. Remember, they have their futures at stake in this, more than any of us.
Considering all of the things all of us would like to see rectified compared to what we know about Hemi, they seem like small bumps in the road to me. But what do I know.
Most, majority of shares for leases are restricted. This has been stated in prs and by other posters.
So if float rose by a million shares, so what. Still very much undervalued fundamentally.
I think anyone trying to beat down the share price is going to be wasting their time.
Too many people know how undervalued hemi is on this and other boards.
It is coiled though and ready to spring as many before me have said. The chase will be on.
Time to buy and not try to get some lower price.
About Knight and the float number. Another poster got it along with some contact numbers and posted the information on the board. Back a month or two but should still be relevant I would think. GLTY.
"But the many who got in at .20, 30 or 40 or 60, or people even THINKING about buying have QUESTIONS!!!! "
Only if they came in with the purpose of trying to flip the stock. Even a minimal amount of DD would tell a potential investor this is a long term play. Yes some have made money flipping some or all of their position, but there was no indication of that based on the Business Plan the CEO laid out.
How many CEOs tell investors what the long term plan is?
And KAA is right on track. He gave all potential investors the reasons why, then how, and even when Hemi Energy would be a good investment. There was no hint that flipping might be a good approach with this stock. There was every indication that holding it long, along with the large inside positions and wait for a good buy out was the way to go.
Frankly any other strategy, without this as the ultimate goal was like pizzing into the wind.
Me been hearin alot bout this ole hemi oil
Let me look at er
1. Oil pushing 100bbl
2. debt free
3. lotsa good dd in ibox
4. 2.15 Mbbls proven on less than 1/5 of leases
5. Low float, according to Nite
6. Low AS
7. Large insider positions
8. Notha good pr
9. Compny servive 100 yeer flood
`0 Long term steady accumulation by cmf
11 independent investors have seen CEO and well sites
12 Company has secret treasure maps of earl and gas
13 bashers starting to appear in droves
yessiree bob got uzzin a winner here, mortgage the trailer!!!
Why would a long who is down .13 per share speculate on such things???????????? Only the Ceo can take off the restriction.
Restricted shares would require Keith knowing about them becoming unrestricted to be sold. He said he knew nothing about it. So how can the scenario you mentioned happen?
The ta has been gagged from the beginning. Why is it such an issue now. If is so important, why did you buy at an average price of more than double this one???
You have had the ah share situation explained to you before. Keith knows nothing about it.
Do you believe restricted shares that are given for assets mean dilution? The float has not changed has it?
Do you know what dilution is?????
dunno
You got it again Lowman. And I think it means that anyone attracted by the good prs who are basically fundamental type investors will look past the chart and start doing some DD.
It does not take long to see the disconnect between the share price and the value of Hemi. The incongruencies jump out quickly and further DD just from the Ibox even is enough to help people realize how undervalued long term hemi truly is.
So any new investors coming in are here long term I would believe.
LOL I left eturd awhile back and they charged me $50 to leave. This was before scottrade began their reimbursement program. Also have had Macafee antivirus for years, before scottrade started giving a year complementary. It really sucks sometimes being ahead of the curve. LOL
The court would appoint someone to act in the shareholders' behalf. Probably all would be transferred to another brokerage for free. Remember the brokerage does not own the shares, we do. They are only acting as an agent. Any difficulties they have, up to and including bankruptcy, the shareholders have no liability period.
Let me be clear. Shareholders who own shares in that brokerage could have problems. Unless they are preferred they may get pennies on the dollar for their shares in the company, but any investors who own a portfolio of stocks purchased with the company as agent and paid the company fees for buying and selling have no worries.
I believe any MM selling a NSS is lying by their action. But someone at Knight told us what they have as the float. They should know. That person could be out of job or will be. LOL
"NSS baloney" You cannot be serious. On this board alone the float has been exceeded. Unless you think Nite, who named the float was lying, or thirty plus shareholders have conspired to create larger numbers of owned shares.
This does not even account for many others on other boards who own or some that have not reported.
Careful about dismissing NSS it has already been proved circumstantially by the downward valuation as oil increased in value as well as scientifically by a simple count against Nite's float count.
You CLAIM dilution. The float has not changed. Any shares used for accretive acquisition purchases are restricted, not to have any effect for two years. Most investors look at AS not OS then look at float.
You mentioned an earlier price. Oil has doubled in value and hemi has obtained more leases.If anything Hemi is even a better investment today than then.
There was no selling on news yesterday either, price went down and stayed down.
Are you long??????? I am.
Gigantus has a good explanation I believe. Even if a good pr may attract some new investors, one look at the chart may get them to not look any further. There are massive shares short. There should be no debate about this now. MMs are way short at the .02 level.
Even trying to cover all the way down from .90 they cannot match the volume of shares that were shorted at .02 Those that knew about hemi that early loaded up, very wisely. MMs try everything they can to induce selling under .10 but any shares they may sell are not followed by any longs, who know what they have.
If anything longs buy at these levels even in small amounts which helps keep a base around .10 I believe there are big investors with deep pockets watching and hoping the MMs can bring it lower. MMs probably realize this too so really dont dare go any further down. Hence this holding pattern.
You may be right. And as far as shareholders of hemi it does not make any difference. The brokers are not the owners of the shares, we are. There are electronic records as well as paper certs. Say a brokerage gets into trouble. Their assets do not include shares of their clients only their own assets such as cash, their own stock holdings and any real property. They act only as agents for us and we have no legal obligation, through the use of our shares for their liabilities.
Anyone with knowledge and/or experience in the industry know what the usual choke back point will be for a well coming in at 43 bbls/day? In terms of percent or fraction. TIA
Lazyeye, it is good you raise issues that should be addressed on this stock and every other board you post on.
It may help people not to make a bad decision on a pink sheet stock like hemi.
If this were not a pink sheet, they would be serious issues.
Everyone here knows hemi is a pink and therefore, not subject to certain requirements of board listed stocks.
At the same time, there is third party verification of proven reserves.
There is anecdotal and photographic evidence of Hemi's assets and daily workings. Maybe pink sheets are not for you if you are an investor.
Yes, we know the plan is on track, as Keith has stated AGAIN.
We know the issue of being undervalued is being dealt with. We know the reserves, which have been there for millions of years, are still there. We know the proven reserves WILL increase. We know Keith, the chess master is thinking multiple moves ahead. At a price like this, it is as though Christmas has come early. How long will it stay low as I get more money?
GLTAL
Not that Dr. Dewey cannot reply for himself but I will give you three reasons why many longs believe Hemi will be at least a dollar. And for the record .10 to 1.00 would be a 900% gain.
1. Keith thought, and stated the sp would be a dollar by summer 07. This was before the hundred year flood in Kansas and the realization that on this board alone longs could tally up more shares than the float. Neither situation is permanent. The wells are quickly being brought on line and Keith is working on the NSS situation I believe.
2. Hemi has since acquired five times as many leases as when he said that. When Keith buys a lease. He is not buying it because he likes the scenery or is trying to help out the landowner. He is buying it because he has an excellent idea what is to be found underground based on Hemi's archive.
3. Hemi went from .02 to .90, a 4400% gain when the price of oil was less than half of what it is now and tensions on the world's oil markets were slightly less than they are now. Another factor, which could stand alone is that China and India, the two most populous countries in the world, are growing their economies at double digit rates annually. This means their need for petroleum is growing at least that much, because as more citizens there own cars the petroleum demand will be greater and greater.