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Considering it's the wealthy themselves and friends of theirs making the tax policies- I don't think they pay their fair share as it stands.
I always liked the days when Reagan campaigned on a sales tax and doing away with the current system. Sad that he let the Federal Reserve change his tune as soon as he was elected.
Poor mgt may also be a part of it.
I know the guy that was running Black Diamond over at Buffalo- nuff said.
The Pennsylvania and Louisiana gas development are also a factor, manufacturing being shut down etc...
Also- the deeper the wells the more water issues seem to arise.
As the wells migrate to the north/west they get deeper.
Lots of factors but thanks for sharing the article. I missed that in the paper and I haven't heard anything floating around "the circle" in the powder river basin area.
LOL- Obommer and crowd are going to ensure the destruction of the dollar, throw us into economic chaos and we'll be primed up to accept the new currency, global banks, global gov etc...
*Not really funny but it's nuts to see the left defend it all the way to the end.
The new car or the "clunker" carbon footprint? lol
It’s time for a second tax revolt
By KEN HOAGLAND
Printed in The Houston Chronicle
Dec. 12, 2009
More than 200 years ago a new idea about the rights of individuals and the rights of government began as a tax protest in Boston Harbor.
“No taxation without representation” was the rallying cry that led to the new concept that all government power and authority should derive from the consent of those governed. Is a second American tax revolt now needed to restore that noble but increasingly tattered idea?
Somehow, these many years later a new American aristocracy made up of both parties is taxing generations of future citizens, not even yet born, in order to secure mind-numbing levels of national debt today. With government debt now totaling more than $500,000 per household, the voice and best interests of the average American seem lost. We have taken a destructive national path of spending beyond our means that retards job creation, shreds responsible fiscal policy and undermines the pursuit of happiness itself.
The second American tax revolt might very well be found in HR25, the long pending FairTax legislation that most in Washington love to hate. The FairTax replaces all federal taxes on income with a simple and transparent tax on personal retail consumption. The FairTax raises the same revenues now raised but in a way that helps the economy rather than hurting it and, most importantly, in a manner that restores the role of the American citizen.
Today our federal taxes are hidden from plain view through withheld payroll taxes and by embedding tax costs in the price of American goods and services. The relationship between personal wealth and the cost of government has been effectively hidden, making almost impossible any real check and balance on government spending and self-defeating debt. For candidates from both parties, the promise of new spending buys elections and to many citizens it is “free money” that is being thrown at real problems and needs.
The FairTax ends embedded tax costs, puts the cost of the federal government on every receipt and shifts national taxation away from what goes into the economy — work, savings and investment — to what comes out of the economy — consumption. The FairTax expands the tax base so that nearly every American sees a tax reduction. The average tax bill (adding together Social Security/Medicare and income taxes) now amounts to more than 30 percent of what is earned. The FairTax caps taxation at no more than 23 percent of what is spent. In essence, those who spend more pay higher taxes without exceptions granted by Congress to the favored few with tax lobbyists.
The FairTax protects the poor and middle class in several ways. First, a monthly “prebate” paid to every family reimburses the FairTax paid on retail spending up to the poverty level, wiping out federal taxes on those at or below the poverty line while also eliminating the highly regressive FICA payroll tax. For a middle class family of four, the prebate allows more than $28,000 of federal tax free spending a year on top of an overall tax reduction. Advanced economic modeling shows that the poor and middle class are the biggest beneficiaries of the FairTax in terms of tax reduction.
By eliminating all federal withholding and payroll taxes, the FairTax brings taxation into the open so that average Americans can fairly debate the cost/benefit of devoting personal wealth to so much government spending. It is a desperately needed awareness if we are to control our government.
At the same time, shifting away from taxing labor, manufacturing, investment and upward mobility itself will make the United States the most favorable tax environment in the world. This will bring trillions of dollars of private investment, now offshore, into our economy. Without borrowing against the future earnings of our offspring, this private investment creates jobs, better benefits and a new era of economic growth where productive American workers are again in high demand.
The FairTax doesn't pit the poor against the rich or Wall Street against Main Street. While every economic level benefits under the FairTax, the poor and middle class see the greatest immediate tax benefits. If there are losers they are congressional committees who can no longer sell pieces of the tax code, illegal immigrants and those in the $1.5 trillion a year underground economy who become taxpayers as consumers and foreign producers who now enjoy a tax advantage over American manufacturers.
But because the FairTax ends the $1.5 billion a year tax lobby business along with congressional power over the tax code, it will take another tax revolt to trump the narrow self-interests of Washington insiders. The good and bad news is that a relative few, but politically powerful and influential, Americans profit richly from the corrupted tax system. With all their profits and power, can they be bested by hometown Americans across the political spectrum? Only if we remember that the first American tax revolt earned us that right.
Hoagland is chairman of the FairTax national campaign and a long-time Houston resident. His book, “FairTax Solution,” goes on sale in March.
It’s time for a second tax revolt
By KEN HOAGLAND
Printed in The Houston Chronicle
Dec. 12, 2009
More than 200 years ago a new idea about the rights of individuals and the rights of government began as a tax protest in Boston Harbor.
“No taxation without representation” was the rallying cry that led to the new concept that all government power and authority should derive from the consent of those governed. Is a second American tax revolt now needed to restore that noble but increasingly tattered idea?
Somehow, these many years later a new American aristocracy made up of both parties is taxing generations of future citizens, not even yet born, in order to secure mind-numbing levels of national debt today. With government debt now totaling more than $500,000 per household, the voice and best interests of the average American seem lost. We have taken a destructive national path of spending beyond our means that retards job creation, shreds responsible fiscal policy and undermines the pursuit of happiness itself.
The second American tax revolt might very well be found in HR25, the long pending FairTax legislation that most in Washington love to hate. The FairTax replaces all federal taxes on income with a simple and transparent tax on personal retail consumption. The FairTax raises the same revenues now raised but in a way that helps the economy rather than hurting it and, most importantly, in a manner that restores the role of the American citizen.
Today our federal taxes are hidden from plain view through withheld payroll taxes and by embedding tax costs in the price of American goods and services. The relationship between personal wealth and the cost of government has been effectively hidden, making almost impossible any real check and balance on government spending and self-defeating debt. For candidates from both parties, the promise of new spending buys elections and to many citizens it is “free money” that is being thrown at real problems and needs.
The FairTax ends embedded tax costs, puts the cost of the federal government on every receipt and shifts national taxation away from what goes into the economy — work, savings and investment — to what comes out of the economy — consumption. The FairTax expands the tax base so that nearly every American sees a tax reduction. The average tax bill (adding together Social Security/Medicare and income taxes) now amounts to more than 30 percent of what is earned. The FairTax caps taxation at no more than 23 percent of what is spent. In essence, those who spend more pay higher taxes without exceptions granted by Congress to the favored few with tax lobbyists.
The FairTax protects the poor and middle class in several ways. First, a monthly “prebate” paid to every family reimburses the FairTax paid on retail spending up to the poverty level, wiping out federal taxes on those at or below the poverty line while also eliminating the highly regressive FICA payroll tax. For a middle class family of four, the prebate allows more than $28,000 of federal tax free spending a year on top of an overall tax reduction. Advanced economic modeling shows that the poor and middle class are the biggest beneficiaries of the FairTax in terms of tax reduction.
By eliminating all federal withholding and payroll taxes, the FairTax brings taxation into the open so that average Americans can fairly debate the cost/benefit of devoting personal wealth to so much government spending. It is a desperately needed awareness if we are to control our government.
At the same time, shifting away from taxing labor, manufacturing, investment and upward mobility itself will make the United States the most favorable tax environment in the world. This will bring trillions of dollars of private investment, now offshore, into our economy. Without borrowing against the future earnings of our offspring, this private investment creates jobs, better benefits and a new era of economic growth where productive American workers are again in high demand.
The FairTax doesn't pit the poor against the rich or Wall Street against Main Street. While every economic level benefits under the FairTax, the poor and middle class see the greatest immediate tax benefits. If there are losers they are congressional committees who can no longer sell pieces of the tax code, illegal immigrants and those in the $1.5 trillion a year underground economy who become taxpayers as consumers and foreign producers who now enjoy a tax advantage over American manufacturers.
But because the FairTax ends the $1.5 billion a year tax lobby business along with congressional power over the tax code, it will take another tax revolt to trump the narrow self-interests of Washington insiders. The good and bad news is that a relative few, but politically powerful and influential, Americans profit richly from the corrupted tax system. With all their profits and power, can they be bested by hometown Americans across the political spectrum? Only if we remember that the first American tax revolt earned us that right.
Hoagland is chairman of the FairTax national campaign and a long-time Houston resident. His book, “FairTax Solution,” goes on sale in March.
Think of it this way -
A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.
A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year.
So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.
More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars
So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.
We spent $8.57 for every dollar saved.
I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with health care though...
Think of it this way -
A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.
A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year.
So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.
More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars
So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.
We spent $8.57 for every dollar saved.
I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with health care though...
Think of it this way -
A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year.
A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year.
So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.
More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars
So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.
We spent $8.57 for every dollar saved.
I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with health care though...
Just curious- how do you define "freedom"? (your def)
Harder to buy US Treasuries
Created: 2009-12-18 0:13:35
Author:Zhou Xin and Jason Subler
IT is getting harder for governments to buy United States Treasuries because the US's shrinking current-account gap is reducing supply of dollars overseas, a Chinese central bank official said yesterday.
The comments by Zhu Min, deputy governor of the People's Bank of China, referred to the overall situation globally, not specifically to China, the biggest foreign holder of US government bonds.
Chinese officials generally are very careful about commenting on the dollar and Treasuries, given that so much of its US$2.3 trillion reserves are tied to their value, and markets always watch any such comments closely for signs of any shift in how it manages its assets.
China's State Administration of Foreign Exchange reaffirmed this month that the dollar stands secure as the anchor of the currency reserves it manages, even as the country seeks to diversify its investments.
In a discussion on the global role of the dollar, Zhu told an academic audience that it was inevitable that the dollar would continue to fall in value because Washington continued to issue more Treasuries to finance its deficit spending.
He then addressed where demand for that debt would come from.
"The United States cannot force foreign governments to increase their holdings of Treasuries," Zhu said, according to an audio recording of his remarks. "Double the holdings? It is definitely impossible."
"The US current account deficit is falling as residents' savings increase, so its trade turnover is falling, which means the US is supplying fewer dollars to the rest of the world," he added. "The world does not have so much money to buy more US Treasuries."
China continues to see its foreign exchange reserves grow, albeit at a slower pace than in past years, due to a large trade surplus and inflows of foreign investment. They stood at US$2.3 trillion at the end of September.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=423054
Harder to buy US Treasuries
Created: 2009-12-18 0:13:35
Author:Zhou Xin and Jason Subler
IT is getting harder for governments to buy United States Treasuries because the US's shrinking current-account gap is reducing supply of dollars overseas, a Chinese central bank official said yesterday.
The comments by Zhu Min, deputy governor of the People's Bank of China, referred to the overall situation globally, not specifically to China, the biggest foreign holder of US government bonds.
Chinese officials generally are very careful about commenting on the dollar and Treasuries, given that so much of its US$2.3 trillion reserves are tied to their value, and markets always watch any such comments closely for signs of any shift in how it manages its assets.
China's State Administration of Foreign Exchange reaffirmed this month that the dollar stands secure as the anchor of the currency reserves it manages, even as the country seeks to diversify its investments.
In a discussion on the global role of the dollar, Zhu told an academic audience that it was inevitable that the dollar would continue to fall in value because Washington continued to issue more Treasuries to finance its deficit spending.
He then addressed where demand for that debt would come from.
"The United States cannot force foreign governments to increase their holdings of Treasuries," Zhu said, according to an audio recording of his remarks. "Double the holdings? It is definitely impossible."
"The US current account deficit is falling as residents' savings increase, so its trade turnover is falling, which means the US is supplying fewer dollars to the rest of the world," he added. "The world does not have so much money to buy more US Treasuries."
China continues to see its foreign exchange reserves grow, albeit at a slower pace than in past years, due to a large trade surplus and inflows of foreign investment. They stood at US$2.3 trillion at the end of September.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=423054
Enslaving the American People, Feds Get Rich, Rich, Rich
How do people reconcile this in their minds? How do Americans reconcile the fact that federal employees earn an average of $30,000 more than the private sector employee? Or that close to 350,000 federal employees earn more than $100,000?
They are bankrupting this nation while stuffing their faces on the backs of Americans. This is the poisonous fruit of the left's utopian dream of big government.
Ayn Rand saw it all:
Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen’s protection against the government.
America’s abundance was created not by public sacrifices to “the common good,” but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America’s industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance—and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.
The goal of the “liberals”—as it emerges from the record of the past decades—was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot—by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the “conservative” was only to retard that process.)
cont...
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/12/enslaving-the-american-people-feds-ge-rich-rich-rich-.html
Enslaving the American People, Feds Get Rich, Rich, Rich
How do people reconcile this in their minds? How do Americans reconcile the fact that federal employees earn an average of $30,000 more than the private sector employee? Or that close to 350,000 federal employees earn more than $100,000?
They are bankrupting this nation while stuffing their faces on the backs of Americans. This is the poisonous fruit of the left's utopian dream of big government.
Ayn Rand saw it all:
Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals—that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government—that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen’s protection against the government.
America’s abundance was created not by public sacrifices to “the common good,” but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America’s industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance—and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.
The goal of the “liberals”—as it emerges from the record of the past decades—was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot—by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the “conservative” was only to retard that process.)
cont...
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/12/enslaving-the-american-people-feds-ge-rich-rich-rich-.html
Kremlin position papers presented to Prime Minister Putin today on his upcoming meeting with NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen state that the European-US military alliance has authorized an ‘emergency request’ from President Obama to utilize American and Canadian NATO troops to put down what is expected to be a “rebellion” after the expected January, 2010 ‘declaration of bankruptcy’ by the State of California.
According to these reports, Obama’s fears of rebellion are due to the economic health of California (the United States largest State) after the 3rd largest US State, New York, declared a ‘fiscal emergency’ and refused to release to its cities and towns over $750 Million due them this past week with the Governor of New York, David Paterson, declaring “I can’t say this enough: The state has run out of money.”
New York’s fiscal crisis, however, pales in comparison to California’s, where new economic data points to its expected 5-year budget deficit reaching the staggering amount of over $100 Billion which Russian economists warn will result in budget cuts so steep as to create ‘social chaos’ among this States 36 million citizens.
Reports from the United States are, indeed, confirming the mass movement of military supplies and thousands of Canadian Special Forces Troops to California from the Canadian Forces Base of Petawawa to join their American military counterparts, with ‘secondary’ reports stating that at least 1,000 tanks are massing their too.
cont..
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/prepare-for-rebellion-obama-orders-us-canadian-troops/
Kremlin position papers presented to Prime Minister Putin today on his upcoming meeting with NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen state that the European-US military alliance has authorized an ‘emergency request’ from President Obama to utilize American and Canadian NATO troops to put down what is expected to be a “rebellion” after the expected January, 2010 ‘declaration of bankruptcy’ by the State of California.
According to these reports, Obama’s fears of rebellion are due to the economic health of California (the United States largest State) after the 3rd largest US State, New York, declared a ‘fiscal emergency’ and refused to release to its cities and towns over $750 Million due them this past week with the Governor of New York, David Paterson, declaring “I can’t say this enough: The state has run out of money.”
New York’s fiscal crisis, however, pales in comparison to California’s, where new economic data points to its expected 5-year budget deficit reaching the staggering amount of over $100 Billion which Russian economists warn will result in budget cuts so steep as to create ‘social chaos’ among this States 36 million citizens.
Reports from the United States are, indeed, confirming the mass movement of military supplies and thousands of Canadian Special Forces Troops to California from the Canadian Forces Base of Petawawa to join their American military counterparts, with ‘secondary’ reports stating that at least 1,000 tanks are massing their too.
cont..
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/prepare-for-rebellion-obama-orders-us-canadian-troops/
Kremlin position papers presented to Prime Minister Putin today on his upcoming meeting with NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen state that the European-US military alliance has authorized an ‘emergency request’ from President Obama to utilize American and Canadian NATO troops to put down what is expected to be a “rebellion” after the expected January, 2010 ‘declaration of bankruptcy’ by the State of California.
According to these reports, Obama’s fears of rebellion are due to the economic health of California (the United States largest State) after the 3rd largest US State, New York, declared a ‘fiscal emergency’ and refused to release to its cities and towns over $750 Million due them this past week with the Governor of New York, David Paterson, declaring “I can’t say this enough: The state has run out of money.”
New York’s fiscal crisis, however, pales in comparison to California’s, where new economic data points to its expected 5-year budget deficit reaching the staggering amount of over $100 Billion which Russian economists warn will result in budget cuts so steep as to create ‘social chaos’ among this States 36 million citizens.
Reports from the United States are, indeed, confirming the mass movement of military supplies and thousands of Canadian Special Forces Troops to California from the Canadian Forces Base of Petawawa to join their American military counterparts, with ‘secondary’ reports stating that at least 1,000 tanks are massing their too.
cont..
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/12/prepare-for-rebellion-obama-orders-us-canadian-troops/
Putting our economy in the hands of Chavez fans
These maniacs in Copenhagen are voting on your future:
President Chavez brought the house down.
When he said the process in Copenhagen was “not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn’t that the reality of our world, the world is really and imperial dictatorship…down with imperial dictatorships” he got a rousing round of applause.
When he said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.
But then he wound up to his grand conclusion – 20 minutes after his 5 minute speaking time was supposed to have ended and after quoting everyone from Karl Marx to Jesus Christ - “our revolution seeks to help all people…socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....let’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.” He won a standing ovation.
UPDATE
And at the end of this first clip, Chavez rouses the rabble with more anti-Americanism, too:
I don’t think Obama is here yet. He got the Nobel Peace Prize almost the same day as he sent 30,000 soldiers to kill innocent people in Afghanistan.
UPDATE 2
And a mass-murderer at Copenhagen lectures us about our crimes:
The anti-capitalist theme was picked up on by Mr Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s veteran President, who is the target of Western sanctions over alleged human rights abuses.
“When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die.”
UPDATE 3
Nothing is real in Copenhagen - not the temperature record, not the predictions, not the agenda, not the “solution”. In fact, here’s how fake it all is:
The lead negotiator for the small island nation of Tuvalu, the bow-tie wearing Ian Fry, broke down as he begged delegates to take tough action.
“I woke up this morning crying,” and that’s not easy for a grown man to admit,” Mr Fry said on Saturday, as his eyes welled with tears.
”The fate of my country rests in your hands,” he concluded, as the audience exploded with wild applause.
So moving. But let’s now learn more from Samantha Maiden about this former Greenpeace official from “Tuvalu”:
But the part-time PhD scholar at the Australian National University actually resides in Queanbeyan, NSW, where he’s not likely to be troubled by rising sea levels because the closest beach at Batemans Bay is a two-hour, 144km drive away. Asked whether he had ever lived in Tuvalu, his wife told The Australian last night she would “rather not comment”....
Still, it’s a long way from the endangered atolls of Tuvalu, with his neighbour Michelle Ormay confirming he’s lived in Queanbeyan for more than a decade, while he has worked his way up to being “very high up in climate change”.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/putting_our_economy_in_the_hands_of_chavez_fans
Putting our economy in the hands of Chavez fans
These maniacs in Copenhagen are voting on your future:
President Chavez brought the house down.
When he said the process in Copenhagen was “not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn’t that the reality of our world, the world is really and imperial dictatorship…down with imperial dictatorships” he got a rousing round of applause.
When he said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.
But then he wound up to his grand conclusion – 20 minutes after his 5 minute speaking time was supposed to have ended and after quoting everyone from Karl Marx to Jesus Christ - “our revolution seeks to help all people…socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....let’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.” He won a standing ovation.
UPDATE
And at the end of this first clip, Chavez rouses the rabble with more anti-Americanism, too:
I don’t think Obama is here yet. He got the Nobel Peace Prize almost the same day as he sent 30,000 soldiers to kill innocent people in Afghanistan.
UPDATE 2
And a mass-murderer at Copenhagen lectures us about our crimes:
The anti-capitalist theme was picked up on by Mr Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s veteran President, who is the target of Western sanctions over alleged human rights abuses.
“When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die.”
UPDATE 3
Nothing is real in Copenhagen - not the temperature record, not the predictions, not the agenda, not the “solution”. In fact, here’s how fake it all is:
The lead negotiator for the small island nation of Tuvalu, the bow-tie wearing Ian Fry, broke down as he begged delegates to take tough action.
“I woke up this morning crying,” and that’s not easy for a grown man to admit,” Mr Fry said on Saturday, as his eyes welled with tears.
”The fate of my country rests in your hands,” he concluded, as the audience exploded with wild applause.
So moving. But let’s now learn more from Samantha Maiden about this former Greenpeace official from “Tuvalu”:
But the part-time PhD scholar at the Australian National University actually resides in Queanbeyan, NSW, where he’s not likely to be troubled by rising sea levels because the closest beach at Batemans Bay is a two-hour, 144km drive away. Asked whether he had ever lived in Tuvalu, his wife told The Australian last night she would “rather not comment”....
Still, it’s a long way from the endangered atolls of Tuvalu, with his neighbour Michelle Ormay confirming he’s lived in Queanbeyan for more than a decade, while he has worked his way up to being “very high up in climate change”.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/putting_our_economy_in_the_hands_of_chavez_fans
the alternative was maybe for Gore to buy into Exxon or Haliburton???????
I don't approve of any politician having invested interests that stands to benefit himself/herself via their power which could influence policies associated with those interests. Especially when it stands to cripple middle and lower class people along with making the elite more powerful/wealthy.
It's an old problem with politics and gov.
The cap and trade scheme stands to be much more aggressive than past corruption.
The promoters of cap and trade will enslave the people via taxes (both direct and indirect). Those said taxes will be placed on business's (which will pass them on to the middle/lower class), the people themselves etc....
Cleaning up our country and the planet our important. Doing it because of phony bologna science that is geared towards power and wealth creation for the elite is bs.
I'll clarify the "large corporations".
Considering that big gov and big biz are often one in the same, it is strange that you promote the first but are critical of the second.
Sorry for the confusion.
*The Native American comparison was an example of what the reality of gov provided care.
I was trying to say that it is strange you promote Obama, gov health care etc... when the reality of such actions is moving us towards what the gov has done to the Native Americans.
Not going to touch the content, evidently. Sad character to bend and fold on party lines.
Try standing for what is right vs being part of the problem.
GLTU
According to the link in this post:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=44330356
Gore stands to make a lot of $.
I agree about the old cars and recycling (as long as the recycling is more efficient than producing the original product).
Transportation can always be better but it has come a long ways. Not only the fuel efficiency but the longevity, fewer oil changes per mile etc...
I will only agree with your post. Nuff said.
So the content of the story (Obama lies) is of no concern then??
He certainly has "captivated" the followers- all the way over the edge.
Small world. I've "recreated" quite a bit around all those areas.
Some good times but def. a step back- some of it not all bad.
NHS maternity services in meltdown: A former midwife reveals how understaffed wards are sinking into chaos
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1235921/Midwives-meltdown-A-NHS-worker-reveals-understaffed-maternity-wards-sinking-chaos.html#ixzz0ZnWgaaWB
Odd that people are fighting to obtain government run healthcare when the gov that will be running it struggles with mail delivery
NHS maternity services in meltdown: A former midwife reveals how understaffed wards are sinking into chaos
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1235921/Midwives-meltdown-A-NHS-worker-reveals-understaffed-maternity-wards-sinking-chaos.html#ixzz0ZnWgaaWB
Odd that people are fighting to obtain government run healthcare when the gov that will be running it struggles with mail delivery
Dec. 15) -- It is an inconvenient time for Al Gore to be fudging numbers on global climate change.
With the specter of the "Climategate" e-mails hanging ominously over the Copenhagen climate change summit, the former vice president told a crowd there on Monday that one scientist had predicted the polar ice cap would have no summer ice in five to seven years.
"These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr. Maslowski that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years," Gore told the audience.
But the scientist Gore quoted, Dr. Wieslaw Maslowski of the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in Monterrey, Calif., told the Times of London that he never said such a thing.
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"It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Maslowski told the Times. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."
The scientist said Gore's statement about the pole being "completely ice-free" was not in line with his current predictions, which are dramatic enough without being pumped up. Maslowski said his research shows 80 percent of the north polar ice will melt in the next six years, but he expects some ice to remain beyond the year 2020.
In an email to Sphere, Maslowski added that if the Arctic melting trend of the last 15 years continues, the "main reduction of sea ice volume may take place within the next five to seven years," which would affect the global climate.
Gore's office later admitted to the Times that the figures weren't actually all that "fresh," but were instead based on a conversation Gore had had with Maslowski several years ago.
Regardless of the confusing details, most climate scientists agree that human activity has contributed to rising temperatures. But the credibility of that consensus was undermined last month when critics released thousands of e-mail exchanges, some of which gave the impression that scientists were massaging figures and trying to silence skeptics of anthropogenic global warming.
http://www.sphere.com/world/article/al-gore-fudges-numbers-at-climate-change-summit-in-copenhagen/19281919?icid=main|compaq-laptop|dl1|link1|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sphere.com%2Fworld%2Farticle%2Fal-gore-fudges-numbers-at-climate-change-summit-in-copenhagen%2F19281919
Dec. 15) -- It is an inconvenient time for Al Gore to be fudging numbers on global climate change.
With the specter of the "Climategate" e-mails hanging ominously over the Copenhagen climate change summit, the former vice president told a crowd there on Monday that one scientist had predicted the polar ice cap would have no summer ice in five to seven years.
"These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr. Maslowski that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years," Gore told the audience.
But the scientist Gore quoted, Dr. Wieslaw Maslowski of the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in Monterrey, Calif., told the Times of London that he never said such a thing.
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"It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Maslowski told the Times. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."
The scientist said Gore's statement about the pole being "completely ice-free" was not in line with his current predictions, which are dramatic enough without being pumped up. Maslowski said his research shows 80 percent of the north polar ice will melt in the next six years, but he expects some ice to remain beyond the year 2020.
In an email to Sphere, Maslowski added that if the Arctic melting trend of the last 15 years continues, the "main reduction of sea ice volume may take place within the next five to seven years," which would affect the global climate.
Gore's office later admitted to the Times that the figures weren't actually all that "fresh," but were instead based on a conversation Gore had had with Maslowski several years ago.
Regardless of the confusing details, most climate scientists agree that human activity has contributed to rising temperatures. But the credibility of that consensus was undermined last month when critics released thousands of e-mail exchanges, some of which gave the impression that scientists were massaging figures and trying to silence skeptics of anthropogenic global warming.
http://www.sphere.com/world/article/al-gore-fudges-numbers-at-climate-change-summit-in-copenhagen/19281919?icid=main|compaq-laptop|dl1|link1|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sphere.com%2Fworld%2Farticle%2Fal-gore-fudges-numbers-at-climate-change-summit-in-copenhagen%2F19281919
I'm not so sure that isn't the strategy. Wear the people down and rule unchecked.
I'd add that we need someone "extreme" on the peoples side to counter the run away gov we have.
I support Ron Paul for that reason. I agree he does get a little carried away with being a strict constitionalist but it'd be a great balance to the bipartisan/big biz/corrupt yahoos we have on both sides of the spectrum running the show.
So the corporate media and other politicians portray them as bit bizarre lol
Like I said- they are genuine and honestly believe in the people vs corporate greed that runs most politicians.
How about I name a good politician from each party?
Dennis Kucinich D (sp?) and Ron Paul R
Their individual policies/beliefs may not be in line with what a person does or doesn't agree with BUT they are good people who are genuine. They give honest representation of what they feel is right and in the best interest of the people.
LOL- gov corruption/manipulation of the middle lower class is all that a person needs to be familiar with to know a gov run health program is a disaster in the making
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There are a few but VERY few lol.
LOL- I actually have been in the hospital on the rez. The one on the Crow rez wasn't too bad for what I had done (wasn't free for me).
People were put into poverty and KEPT in poverty on the reservations.
Absolute proof of what the gov dependency does to the people "needing" the gov care.
I agree that it's a very complex issue and am very supportive of doing things better/cleaner.
The issue I'm attempting to address is the corruption and manipulation of pseudo science by the likes of Al Gore whose primary purpose is power/wealth.
When it comes to healthcare for all:
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Guess what? We have a society that has free healthcare, gov housing, gov grants to start small business, free dental care, free college, high gov $ per person etc... and it has failed the people it was supposed to serve.
It's called a Native American Indian Reservation. It's broken the people and kept them in poverty. It was all done with "good intentions" to help a people prosper.
Very, very strange you are so against large corporations but for large gov "taking care of us".
The fact is that big biz and big gov conveniently grow hand in hand. That is the corruption you choose to ignore in your promotion of party politics.
What is your agenda in such an approach? Do you really want more gov serving more big biz?
Did you change the focus to the Washington Times to divert from the broken promises or because you feel that the Obama hasn't broken the promises the post was discussing?