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That's why you're still here, who is "he"? Your patience ran out weeks ago so you're still here straightening me out today, third person. How commendable, how noble of you. You are a very brave and wise man.
Or wait, you're simply here today to post at me while telling others to ignore me, right?
Why don't you run off and monopolize the entire collection of political threads with your fellow validaters, you can feel good about yourself and tell people in the real world how you fit in at IH.
SAUDIS SECRETLY FUNDING TALIBAN LOL! Saudis never "funded" or "supported" the Taliban.
They paid blackmail or extortion monies to terrorists to be protected against terrorism in the same way leading democrat Jessie Jackson blackmails and extorts major US corporations with his Rainbow Coalition.
But Microsoft and AOL are now the largest Internet company and in an effort make sure that Internet explorer remains the most widely used program, Microsoft and AOL are running an e-mail beta test. When you forward this e-mail to friends, Microsoft can and will track it (if you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period. For every person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you $5.00, for every person that you sent it to that forwards it on, Microsoft will pay you $3.00 and for every third person that receives it, you will be paid $1.00. Within two weeks, Microsoft will contact you for your address and then send you a check. I thought this was a scam myself, but two weeks after receiving this e-mail and forwarding it on, Microsoft contacted me for my e-mail and within days, I received a check for $800.00.
And Mikie from the Life cereal commericals died while eating Pop Rocks and drinking Coke.
February 2, 1977 through June 30, 1980
There was an economic nightmare stagflation. Stagflation is the worst of both worlds: inflation and recession. It is characterized by an economy that is contracting while prices continue to rise.
I remember waiting in long lines, on odd days with my odd license plate number.
How much was gas 26 years ago on February 2, 1977?
Go take your Iraq oil argument and see if you can find a Hutu flying a plane into a American building or a Tutsi sawing a Jew's head off.
No, we are at war in the Middle East because of MUSLIMS trying to butcher us by the millions.
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot, it's only politically correct for you and your campers to attack Christians.
Why are you here? To post at me and my posts? To attack me third person? To laugh when your campers call me a flake?
Or to simply straighten me out? How dare anyone write anything you disagree with on any IH political thread.
Very simple; the economies of the world have recently begun expanding. Oil is a commodity with a (near) inelastic demand curve. The Chinese economy is taking off China has begun demanding much more of the world's oil and China has 4 times the population of America.
Oh yeah, and oil spikes up to 40 bucks a barrel every decade.
Oh yeah, one more thing, did you know there is a finite amount of oil in the world? Yup, it's true, there will be less oil in the world tomorrow than today which simply means as time goes on oil will become more and more expensive, until we can find a way to replace it.
And dinosaur use to shit in the woods. It's sad you actually think Bush, Clinton or even Kerry for that matter, would sit in the White House and make decisions over sending our children to war based on money, stealing someone's oil or the year-end bouses at Halaburton.
None of these "politicians" worked a day in their life. Bush actually worked (or gambled his father's money) more than anyone.
Money means nothing to the Bush family, the 500,000 a plate, 10 million dollar a book Clintons or Kerry and his half a billion dollar ketchup wife.
Who really is being naive here today?
Slander, strange you and your campers have such problems with simple words like "hate, and shame", yet have no problem attacking others with words like "liar, stole and awol".
Lies are fine for you campers as long as they are political, huh?
You underestimate the danger we are in. The two most populated American city blocks in the largest city in America disappeared from the face of the earth on 911. If they struck 25 minutes laters and 30 floors lower we would have lost ten's of thousands.
We've been at war for decades and you make arguments based on "oil"? We are in real danger, we could wake up tomorrow to find an American city missing in a mushroom cloud and that possibility becomes greater every single day we allow terrorist supporting states to exist. Saddam was a terrorist supporting state.
Shame on you for discounting the sacrifices our troops are making. You are politicizing America's national security over simple Bush hatred. Thought Dean was your man? You are hatefully divisive and unbalanced with a total disregard for truth. How else could someone possibly post and write negative articles about anyone every single day of the year? Blind hatred like yours only serves to embolden America's enemies.
Brilliant, couldn't think of a better way to catch and/or kill terrorists.
Fred, no only is Al-Qaeda in Iraq but they're are traveling from around the Middle East to get there. Personally I can't think of a better place to fight terrorists than a place where most of America's Armed Forces are to begin with.
Strange you call Fred "Droppie" and had a problem when I called you "Euro".
Well, it ain't really that strange when I come to think of it.
flip and flop
Are you suggusting Fred should monopolize all other IHUB political threads with character assassination, all day, every day?
I wish she would just run off and cry to Matt again. Victims are always being victimized by someone.
DDF, that was a painful exercise in rage, anger and hatred. Could you imagine doing that all day, every single day?
And yes, the words “every” and “all” are applicable.
Me too, I have much better things to do with my time. Besides that, I'm not a angry, hateful, unemployed, [sorry, I mean consultant] glass is half empty, blame America first, victim.
Ex-green beret to Kerry: 'You are a liar'
Scathing column makes rounds on Net, Vietnam vets cheer approval
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Posted: February 26, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Ron Strom
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
A former Special Forces green beret who served in Vietnam has touched a nerve with fellow veterans after penning a scathing column hammering Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.
"I've been deluged with e-mails," Don Bendell told WND. Most of the e-mails and phone calls he's received are from fellow Vietnam veterans, though he says some are from military personnel serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"Take a look at my website," Bendell said, "and the number of guest-book entries."
Bendell says the servicemembers in Iraq and Afghanistan who have contacted him have been "fervent" about their desire not to see Kerry as their commander in chief.
In his column, Bendell accuses Kerry of "rewriting history" through his 1971 testimony to Congress. In that speech, which has been referenced by many opponents of Kerry, he said of fellow soldiers in Vietnam: "They personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."
Writes Bendell:
I was a green beret officer who volunteered for duty in Vietnam and fought in the thick of it in 1968 and 1969 on a Special Forces A-team on the Ho Chi Minh Trail, just for starters. We were the elite. We saw the most action. Everybody in the world knows that. But we did not just kill people; we built a church, a school, treated illnesses, passed out soap, food and clothing, and had fun and loving interaction with the indigenous people of Vietnam, just like our boys did in Normandy, Baghdad, Saigon and everywhere American soldiers ever served. We all gave away our candy bars and rations to kids, our hearts to oppressed people all over the globe.
My children and grandchildren could read your words and think those horrendous things about me, Mr. Kerry. You are a bald-faced, unprincipled liar and a disgrace, and you have dishonored me and all my fellow Vietnam veterans. Sure, there were a couple bad-apples, but I saw none, and I saw it all, and if I did, as an army officer, it was my obligation to stop it, or at the very least report it. Why is there not a single record anywhere of you ever reporting any incidents like this or having the perpetrators arrested? The answer is simple. You are a liar. Your medals and mine are not a free pass for lifetime, Sen. Kerry, to bypass character, integrity and morality. I earn my green beret over and over daily in all aspects of my life.
Since it was first posted on Feb. 11, Bendell's column has been passed all over the world via e-mail and has been posted on several different websites.
Besides criticizing Kerry's testimony before Congress, Bendell slams him for opposing a bill that would have helped the Montagnard people of Vietnam:
John Kerry, you personally derailed the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, H.R.2883, in 2001, after it had passed the House by a 411 to 1 vote, and thousands of pro-American Montagnard tribespeople in Vietnam died since then who could have been saved, by you. Earlier, as chair of the Senate Select Committee on MIA/POW Affairs, you personally quashed the efforts of any and all veterans to report sightings of living POWs, when you held those reins in Congress. You have fought tooth and nail to push for the U.S. to normalize relations with Vietnam for years. Why, Mr. Kerry? Simple, your first cousin C. Stewart Forbes, CEO of Colliers International, recently signed a contract with Hanoi, worth BILLIONS of dollars for Collier's International to become the exclusive real estate representative for the country of Vietnam.
Bendell says he has an expose coming out in the April issue of American Spectator that further details his charges against the senator.
In talking with WND, the veteran also criticized Kerry for marrying two women who happened to be multibillionaires: "I'm sure that it was true love," he said.
Emphasizing the fact his opinions do not represent any organization, Bendell mentioned he has been involved in non-political veteran groups, including a stint as president of the Rocky Mountain chapter of the Special Forces Association.
He says he tells Democrats to vote for John Edwards in the primaries: "Just don't vote for Kerry."
Bendell, who has spoken on many radio shows since his column gained popularity, is the author of several books and owns karate studios in Colorado.
The parting shot from Bendell in his column: "Medals do not make a man. Morals do."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37300
Just think we could wake up every day and look for negative articles to post about Kerry and if we can't find any we can blame everything from the weather to the price of tomatos on Kerry, everyday all day no less.
What a life, we could call ourselves progressive consultants.
John Kerry is a liar who shot himself in the arm just to get out of the service.
John Kerry... The Soccer Mom
John Kerry drives a Suburban. Which is not a big deal, except for the fact that he can't even bring himself to say he owns the SUV.
``I don't own an SUV,' said Kerry, who supports increasing existing fuel economy standards to 36 miles per gallon by 2015 in order to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil supplies.
Kerry also has made rising gasoline prices an issue in the campaign against President Bush. In Houston on Thursday, Kerry said the president broke a 2000 campaign pledge to ``jawbone' oil-producing nations by pressuring them to increase their output.
Kerry thought for a second when asked whether his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, had a Suburban at their Ketchum, Idaho, home. Kerry said he owns and drives a Dodge 600 and recently bought a Chrysler 300M. He said his wife owns the Chevrolet SUV.
``The family has it. I don't have it,' he said.
This bothers me. For one thing, I just saw the commercial for the Chrysler 300M and thought about buying one. John Kerry and I have the same taste in cars... yikes!
But there's something else. Every time something like this comes up it's always "that's my wife's (fill in the blank)". Do these people share anything other than a thirst for power?
http://www.camedwards.com/archives/001208.html
Whopper of the Week: John Kerry
Did he pretend to be Irish?
By Timothy Noah
Posted Friday, March 7, 2003, at 3:34 PM PT
"[John] Kerry acknowledged that some voters in Massachusetts, the nation's most Irish-American state, may have had the impression that he had Irish roots. He said that he knew of no Irish ancestry and that he had always tried to correct misstatements whenever he learned about them.
"Numerous publications, including the Globe, have stated that Kerry is Irish-American.
"'I'm sure some people see the name and say, "Hey, I think it's this or that," but I've been clear as a bell,' Kerry said. 'I've always been absolutely straight up front about it.'
"Kerry 'has never indicated to anyone that he was Irish and corrected people over the years who assumed he was,' [spokeswoman Kelly] Benander said."
—Michael Kranish, "Search for Kerry's Roots Finds Surprising History," in the Feb. 2 Boston Globe.
'For those of us who are fortunate to share an Irish ancestry, we take great pride in the contributions that Irish-Americans …"
—Senate floor statement by John Kerry, March 18, 1986, as quoted in Frank Phillips' and Brian C. Mooney's "1986 Statement Counters Kerry's Stand on Heritage," in the March 6 Boston Globe.
"As some of you may know, I am part-English and part-Irish. And when my Kerry ancestors first came over to Massachusetts from the old country to find work in the New World, it was my English ancestors who refused to hire them."
—Draft remarks prepared for Kerry in 1984, quoted by Phillips and Mooney in the March 6 Globe. Kerry was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts at the time.
"n 1982, at the state Democratic convention in Springfield, his campaign gave his convention floor workers emerald-green T-shirts and hats featuring the logo, 'Up Kerry'—a takeoff on the rallying cry for the first president of the Republic of Ireland, Eamon de Valera, whose supporters cried, 'Up de Valera!' "
—Phillips and Mooney in the March 6 Globe.
Discussion. The question before the jury is whether Kerry has systematically sought to con Massachusetts voters (a great many of whom are Irish) into thinking that he's Irish. Kerry's spokesperson, Kelley Benander, told the Globe the erroneous Senate floor statement was staff-written and that Kerry neither recited nor saw it. (It's common for members of Congress to submit written floor statements in lieu of going to the Senate floor and saying the words out loud, and these statements are indeed often written by staff members.) Neither Kerry nor Benander nor Jonathan Winer, the Kerry aide who wrote the draft remarks prepared for Kerry when he was lieutenant governor, recall the speech being used. (But they don't seem specifically to recall it not being used, either.) As for the Irish-themed Kerry campaign paraphernalia, Benander said it was meant to attract Irish-American voters, not to con people into thinking Kerry was Irish.
Still, it's striking that the Globe was able to find two separate instances where Kerry's own staff thought he was Irish and a third where Kerry's campaign invited the public to believe he was Irish. (Benander's explanation about the hats and T-shirts fails to persuade because Kerry wasn't visiting an Irish neighborhood. He was at a state convention attended by people with all sorts of backgrounds.) And it is striking that Kerry has never attempted to correct various references to his Irish ancestry that have appeared in the Globe, which is the most important newspaper in his state.
Chatterbox's bottom line is that a political candidate and officeholder is responsible for whatever goes out under his name. So the Senate statement alone qualifies this as a Whopper. As to the larger question of whether Kerry habitually tells opportunistic lies about his background, or anything else, the jury's still out. But you can bet the Globe, and everyone else, will be watching.
[Correction, March 15: Winer, who was not contacted by the Globe for the story, says it misreported (secondhand, via Benander) his recollection about the 1984 draft comments. The Globe said Winer didn't remember Kerry giving the speech. Winer says he does remember that Kerry did not give the speech. "He refused to use it," Winer e-mailed Chatterbox. "Told me it wasn't funny." Chatterbox notes that Winer does not affirm that Kerry further said, "And besides, I'm not Irish," so he presumes that didn't happen.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2079783
Sen. John Kerry is a Liar and I Feel Sorry for him
I feel sorry for Sen. John Kerry. I feel sorry for him even though he has lied about Iraq for the last two months. Indeed, Kerry's lies are precisely why I feel sorry for him. Kerry has lied about Iraq ever since Howard Dean emerged as the Democratic front-runner. In order to shift the focus of the Democratic faithful from his vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq, Kerry has lied about Iraq without any evident remorse or qualification. The problem for Kerry is that because he’s not a natural liar, Kerry’s lies are not just easily refutable (as are, say, Howard Dean’s) Kerry’s lies are so absolutely featherweight that they frequently collapse on their own. Indeed, Kerry will often prove himself a liar by issuing a statement which directly contradicts his own previous lie within days of the telling of the original lie.
Yup time for a new strategy, the radicals have be posting Bush hatred from dubious sites for years now. Like they say, all is fair in hate and war.
I wonder if any of these people are regular posters here?
Flip or Flop
In the past unemployed people would say they are "consultants". During the mid 90ies they found the stock market and these same unemployed then said they are “day-traders”.
Now that the high-tech bubble has burst and they lost all their money these victims spend their entire life on-line posting daily hatred and saying they’re "consultants" again.
Strange I paid 1 dollar a gallon for gas in California (while Bush was President) right after 911 and I never saw you posting of this wonderful news.
I noticed you highlighted this....Oil prices are up 27 percent this year fueled by world economic growth, supply security fears and U.S. refinery bottlenecks.
You sure it wasn't because of president Bush? Oh yeah I forgot, we went to war to steal Iraq' oil, well there goes that liberal lie.
FYI. “New home sales tumbled last month” because the market [not the fed] sold bonds, pushing interest rates up because of the improving economy.
Super-duper, at this rate we should clean up this terrorist problem in under six months.
Guess that makes it 17,906 terrorists.
Key Al-Sadr Aide Captured in Najaf
Associated Press
Wednesday, May 26, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. troops captured a key lieutenant of radical Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr (search) during overnight clashes in Najaf that killed 24 people and wounded nearly 50, hospital and militia officials said.
Riyadh al-Nouri, al-Sadr's brother-in-law, offered no resistance when American troops raided his home during a series of clashes in this Shiite holy city, according to Azhar al-Kinani, a staffer in al-Sadr's office in Najaf.
The capture of al-Nouri would be a major blow to al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army (search), which has been battling coalition forces since early April. Al-Sadr launched his uprising in response to a crackdown by coalition authorities who announced an arrest warrant against him in the April 2003 assassination of a moderate cleric in Najaf.
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, coalition deputy chief of operations, said al-Nouri was also sought in the murder of the cleric, Abdul Majid al-Khoei, and would be handed over to Iraqi authorities for prosecution.
In Baghdad, diplomatic sources confirmed reports published Wednesday that Dr. Hussain al-Shahristani, a science adviser to the Iraqi government who spent years in Abu Ghraib prison (search), was among several people under consideration for the job of prime minister of an interim government to take power June 30. The sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, emphasized that no decision had been made and other candidates were under consideration.
Before the Iraq war, al-Shahristani was among the Iraqi exiles who had insisted that Saddam Hussein maintained weapons of mass destruction. In February 2003, he told CBS' "60 Minutes" that such weapons may have been hidden in tunnels for a Baghdad subway that never opened.
Despite his concerns about mass destruction weapons, al-Shahristani said in London in 2002 that he was "extremely concerned of the consequences" of an invasion of Iraq on the people Iraqi people.
Also Wednesday, masked gunmen opened fire on a convoy taking Russian technicians to work at a Baghdad power station, killing two and wounding at least five, Iraqi and Russian officials said. It was the latest attack on employees of the Interenergoservis company.
In Moscow, the executive director of the company, Alexander Rybinsky, said Wednesday the firm would evacuate all its staff from Iraq. The attacks on the Russians could be an attempt to undermine international efforts to rebuild the country, since Russian expertise has played an important role in reviving Iraq's electricity industry and other infrastructure.
A roadside bomb exploded Wednesday on Baghdad's Tahreer Square near a main bridge across the Tigris River, damaging a U.S. Army vehicle. There was no word on casualties.
In Baqouba, about 30 miles northeast of Baghdad, five people were killed and seven others injured when a roadside bomb exploded near a convoy including the police chief of Baladrooz. The police chief, Ali Hussein, escaped injury.
Elsewhere, the Polish command said a coalition base outside of Karbala, 50 miles north of Najaf, came under mortar fire late Tuesday. Demolition teams also defused three roadside bombs in the area, a spokesman for the Polish-led multinational force said Wednesday.
The mortar rounds were fired at Camp Kilo, where mostly Bulgarian troops are based, Maj. Slawomir Walenczykowski said. The attack resulted in no injuries or damage.
Fighting escalated in Shiite areas south of Baghdad in early April after al-Sadr launched an uprising against the U.S.-run occupation. Al-Sadr is sought in the April 2003 assassination of a moderate cleric in Najaf.
Al-Sadr's fighters have cleared out of Karbala following weeks of heavy clashes with U.S. and coalition forces. But clashes persist in Najaf and its twin city, Kufa.
During the clashes overnight, militants fired rocket-propelled grenades and mortars during three hours of skirmishes that ended about dawn, residents said. Some exchanges of fire were also reported around the city's Revolution of 1920 Square.
Fighting around some of the holiest cities of Shia Islam has angered many Shiites in Iraq and elsewhere and has led to calls for both the Americans and the militiamen to pull back from the shrines.
On Tuesday, the Imam Ali shrine in Najaf received slight damage. Both U.S. and Shiite forces blamed the other for the damage.
In the ambush on the Russian workers, police said the group was traveling in a bus when they were attacked about a few hundred yards from the Dora power station in southwestern Baghdad. One Iraqi was also killed, police said.
The wounded were taken to Yarmouk Hospital, where Dr. Adham Saadoun said some were in serious condition.
It was the second fatal attack against employees of Interenergoservis this month. On May 10, a group of Russian workers was seized after their vehicle came under attack in Musayyib, about 40 miles south of Baghdad. A third worker was killed in the attack.
Three Russian and five Ukrainian employees of Interenergoservis were abducted in Iraq last month, but were released unharmed the next day.
In Moscow, the Russian Foreign Ministry said it had repeatedly warned Russians of the dangers of living in Iraq, where violence is on the rise ahead of the return of sovereignty June 30.
The ministry blamed the deteriorating situation on the failure of the occupation authority "to guarantee the necessary security."
Attacks on infrastructure targets have stepped up in recent weeks. Bombings along key oil pipelines in northern and southern Iraq have resulted in temporary cutbacks in the export of petroleum — the key to reviving Iraq's economy.
U.S. troops opened fire on a car in downtown Kirkuk, killing a man and injuring his wife, an Iraqi police official said Wednesday. The Tuesday night shooting broke out five minutes after the nighttime curfew went into effect at 11 p.m., said Police Gen. Sherko Shakir. The couple's baby was also in the Fiat, but was not hurt, he said.
There was no comment from U.S. officials.
Also Wednesday, the head of Iraq's Governing Council said President Bush's idea of demolishing the notorious Abu Ghraib prison was "a waste of resources."
"We must not be sentimental," Ghazi Mashal Ajil al-Yawer told reporters. "Torture has taken place in every vault in Iraq. As the Governing Council, we do not agree with demolishing it."
He said the matter will be left for the transitional government that takes office Jan. 30.
In a speech Monday, Bush said Abu Ghraib prison, notorious for torture under Saddam and scene of prisoner abuse by U.S. troops, will be destroyed "as a fitting symbol of Iraq's new beginning."
Guess that makes it 17,980 terrorists.
"NEWS" opinion BUSH HAS INCREASED TERROR NEW REPORT SAYS,
"NEWS" fact
Wednesday, May 26, 2004
Associated Press
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — U.S. warplanes helped Afghan forces pound Taliban militants in the mountains of southern Afghanistan Tuesday, killing some 20 suspected insurgents at a recently discovered camp, a senior Afghan commander said.
The three-hour battle occurred in Arghistan district of Kandahar province (search), some 120 miles southwest of the capital, Kabul, provincial military commander Khan Mohammed told The Associated Press.
Khan said about 150 Afghan troops attacked the camp in an area called Ghbragyan on Tuesday afternoon, sparking a three-hour gunbattle in which three of his soldiers were injured.
"After that, U.S. warplanes came and started bombing the Taliban area," Khan said. "U.S. forces told us that they had seen the bodies of about 20 dead Taliban."
Khan said he didn't know how many Taliban were using the camp on a rough mountainside, and U.S. military officials in Kabul had no immediate comment.
U.S. military spokeswoman Master Sgt. Cindy Beam said Wednesday that "ground troops did call in air support last night," and said more details would be released later.
Still, the clash appeared the most deadly since U.S.-led forces and insurgents stepped up operations in the spring, fueling a spiral of violence that has killed more than 350 people this year, casting a shadow over plans for national elections in September.
Some 20,000 U.S. troops are in Afghanistan, including some 2,000 extra Marines stationed in the south of the country. The U.S. force is at its largest since the Taliban government was ousted in 2001 for harboring Usama bin Laden.
The top U.S. general here has vowed to crush anti-government militants, which also include followers of fugitive warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar (search), this year with a combination of military might and reconstruction aid to persuade ordinary Afghans to turn their back on the militants and back the faltering peace process.
Elsewhere, officials in the embattled south and east said Taliban militants riding motorcycles killed an Afghan soldier in an attack on troops guarding a shipment of aid, while a rocket attack further west killed two people.
Militia ambushed the convoy carrying tractors and generators Saturday as it drove toward Waza Khwa, a remote town in Paktika province (search), about 170 miles southwest of Kabul, provincial police chief Abdul Rahim Khan said.
A second soldier was wounded, the police chief said.
He said the assailants — about 20 men on motorbikes — retreated after a 30-minute gunbattle.
The four tractors and five generators, paid for by aid groups as part of efforts to re-establish local government in the lawless province, were undamaged.
Abdul Hakim Latifi, who claims to speak for the Taliban, said two of its fighters were injured in the shooting.
Latifi said two more Afghan soldiers were killed Sunday night in a rocket attack near Tirin Kot, the capital of Uruzgan province, about 250 miles southwest of Kabul. But Uruzgan police chief Rozi Khan said the victims were civilians.
A Norwegian peacekeeper died Sunday in a rocket attack in Kabul also claimed by Latifi for the Taliban.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120935,00.html
It was a coastal mountain range but we were still pretty high.