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Phil, We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. But I am also posting from a knowledge of the entire context of the post. There have been many questionable deletions on that board (although it seems to have gotten better lately, thanks to whoever)
Kilgore is a favorite target, I seem to be on that short list as well. So if a post is deleted old suspicions jump to mind.
One more time Shelly, if I am to be judged, at least let it be by my peers. It was a logical argument well stated, but against the desired opinion of the mod's. ANY argument over precise wording is clearly self serving sophistry.
The point made was clear. The PR is fluff, how he chose to express it should not be a violation of TOS
In my opinion, of course
Down 14% on news... it's almost a text book pattern of dilution trading. The after hours trades, 240k today and other days when the share count was higher... another text book example of dilution.
What more do you really need to see?
By the way, why wasn't WSU mentioned in today's PR??? Has that deal fallen through?
There could be several all or none offers between those points, those don't show on level two, but I think?? they do on level three which is only available to MM's.
Check out the mob connections, Anthony Accetturo was the "primary" investor in another of Steve Yorks(PHMB director) endeavors - Wilderness Trails golf resort.
That happens to be the name of a Luchessi "family" ex-capo.
It could be a coincidence. The name Accetturo could be common in North Carolina. Certainly, Mr. York works for Angelo Accetturo(no evidence that he has any accusations of any sort), his company is centered in Florida and North Carolina, the same areas where Anthony Accetturo (the ex capo) was supposed to be moving his businesses to.
I wonder if Angelo's company, Astro Investments, is the basis for Bertholds claiming to have a background in the construction industry. Don't you just love how vague the information on the directors is? York works there as well.
It's thin I know, but I know how you like crime mysteries.
And I think you meant to say the "failed pet store owner."
That seems to account for Bertholds "pet industry experience."
all in my opinion, of course.
Does make you wonder where all that stock is coming from, anybody selling at this level is losing money, unless they got their shares for free, or someone is moving shares around a circle to give the appearance of volume.
Is discussing the arrival and departure of Mod's on or off topic? It can't be one is off and the other is on.
This post is on topic
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=33197719
(by the way Tina, I'd really like to see your presents too - nosaint :)
But these are off topic???
and then there were three Deleted
Three what? (not verbatim here) Deleted
Mods Deleted
Follow up post Deleted
None of these posts were mine, the two posters involved both bought their stock on the open market, both are reasonable posters generally pro company, but not part of the mod's group.
Then the posts welcoming Masontrend and various thank you's were deleted, since he is one of the mod's that suddenly left.
How about a true neutral moderator on the PHMB board.
Thanks
I suggest you find one example of this and post a link. You can't and you know it. If the prefered shares were not important you would have put them in the i-box as I asked you to on several occasions.
The simple fact that you have tried to cover up their existence is proof that they are important. Whatever drivel you come up with to try and change the facts and the law will not change this fact.
I provided a link proving that what you say is NOT true, if you wish to continue this assertions you need to show proof. Here's the link again in case you missed it.
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=17918
Pages 10&11
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
Fleetwood Mac
The simple answer is what I stated before. The company has determined that their "sweet spot" is between .01 and .02. I am becoming convinced that the private sales are the primary motive here, at least for now. There is a VERY discernable pattern when the company (or one of it's paid promoters (any Ass. Mod. want to object?) is selling stock. Today I thought they would wait until after lunch, they hit late morning. It seems .015 is where they want this stock. That was the price after the R/S, and that basically is where they have kept it. Given virtually unlimited shares, they can easily kill any minor uptick. Given the VERY low interest, expressed as a weak bid, they can pull back. The ABVG bagholders need somewhere around .06 and above to breakeven, so they're not in a big hurry to sell. Low interest and bagholders make it easy for the company to maintain the price where it best fits their private sales plan.
All in my opinion, of course.
Good point, I got caught up in the details. Nice to have you back
Ya know Red, I can never quite figger out iffin yer fur me or agin me...I suspect you might have the same problem.
Have a good one.
Couldn't find a link to support your silly contention I see.
I also saw that from investopedia (you really should cite sources) I didn't consider it appropriate because it only refers to common stock, not preferred.
Shares outstanding are common shares that have been authorized, issued, and purchased by investors.
But enough of this, you cannot find ONE source or example where common and preffered shares are lumped together as total outstanding. Any one who buys your silliness deserves to be shorn.
Completely ludicrious, here is a link to an intial report showing how it should be done.
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=17918
look at pages 10 & 11
This is why PB included this table in their report
As at: October 22, 2008 As at: October 22, 2008
Total Authorized: 3,000,000,000 Total Preferred: 50,000,000
Total Outstanding: 856,092,890 Total Outstanding: 20,000,000
Free Trading: 33,582,786 Free Trading: -0-
Restricted: 822,510,104 Restricted 20,000,000
Number of Shareholders: 58 2
They clearly separated the two classes in the example above, everything else is clearly labeled common stock, there is NO BASIS for thinking that the Berthold’s hold any preferred.
Can you show one link to substantiate your claim that “Total shares outstanding “ includes both preferred and common stock? Or is your DD exposed as the farce it was the last time we traded quips?
I have no idea what you think you're talking about, however the title of the chart you refer to is clearly labeled. Preferred shares and common shares are ALWAYS treated as two distinct classes. They are NEVER lumped together.
I took the liberty of reproducing the table below... at least your link was correct...
Common Shares Percentage (%)
Gary Berthold ,
President/Chief Executive Officer & Director
569,000,000 66.5 %
Sharon Berthold
Secretary/Treasurer & Director
253,500,000 27%
Diane Dalmy.
Director
-0- 0%
Steve York
Director
-0- 0%
Total Affiliate Ownership 822,500,000 93.5%
Shares Outstanding 856,092,890
One thing that caught my eye, the Berthold's do not list the preferred stock among their holdings. Now who are the 2 holders of the preferred shares... and what are the voting rights of the preferred shares.
we wonders.
I agree 100% with the first half, don't agree with the second. I'd really enjoy hearing your reasoning someday, but I'm not sure this is the forum.
In any case, I always advise people to sign an agreement on what happens in the event one partner leaves. I don't care if it's death or they just want to be a beach bum. An agreement on how to split the assets should be in place prior to opening the business, imo.
Next time try an S corporation, same tax advantages and fewer fuzzy issues. Where I am an S corp is cheaper than an LLC, states vary as far as fees are concerned. If you want a non legal old business man's opinion let me know.
Well we agree 100% on at least one thing.
ciao
How 'bout you could be trading posts with others??
A. NO ONE will ever be able to prove or disprove if this is the case
B. You have until the end of the month to disclose(I think, I could be wrong)
C. You can give free "previews" of your talents and still not be considered paid.
Sorry a pack of IRP's suddenly descending on this stock is a RED FLAG.
Besides, news and dilution ALWAYS trump charts.
Given that I am usually cussed, I thank you for that.
The chart is weighed down by 3 billion A/S, paid promoters, and silly paid for articles.
News and dilution ALWAYS trump charts. Charts are meaningless when volume and price are manipulated as they have been here. Has no one else noticed Yorkies "sweet spot" between .01 and .02?
That appears to be the price he wants to complete his private sales.
By the way you need to complete your disclaimer page.
Am I the only one here who has noticed this interesting page
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/irp_members.aspx
Do you people run in shifts???
Got me, I admit I was surprised...
Although I suspect someone will wake up tomorrow and say I bought how much?? LOL
To those of youse who are humor impaired, that was a minor joke.
I truely have no opinion. But I always have an interest and good grammar TWO. Maybe I should pay a webpage to post my article?
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
Fleetwood Mac
youmean I've been honing my skills all this time for NOTHING!!!
D**n, and here I was lookin for a payday...
Certainly that is a high income area, much higher than the national average, but why would they travel to washington state for this procedure, when they can have it done in North Carolina at NCSU. That was an earlier point I made. NCSU is much closer to highly populated and high income areas, while PB's clinic is "in the middle of nowhere" in Washington. So whatever business there is will be split up, with NCSU MUCH better positioned geographically. Even NCSU isn't talking about running this as a for profit enterprise. That only occured to the guy who rents a post office box near you.
No doubt that part is correct, however, the question is can this be a profitable enterprise? The ONE vet who has been doing this procedure has done 6 in 18 months PB's plan, which they no longer put out called for 10 a week to meet their income projections.
Sullivan has since done transplants for five other dogs, some taken to Bellingham from as far away as Dallas and New York City. The Bellingham vet, who charges between $25,000 to $35,000 for the procedure, has been able to pioneer the transplant here by working with Storb and using WSU's radiation equipment.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/362713_dogtransplant12.html?source=rss
This is an area for non profits that can apply for grants, not for for-profits who can't even apply for most (98%+) grants
Well at least you admit that you are not attempting any sort of independant opinion. No thank you, I prefer to look at sources beyond the company. In particular, I have never been impressed by failed pet store owners.
Their business model is ludicris. A minimum of $15K per doggie, plus travel to Washington state. How much disposable income do you require to afford that? Oh and their ARE ALTERNATIVES. You can refuse treatment OR you could travel to the ORIGINAL clinic offering bone marrow transplants. It's in North Carolina, that's is much closer to the high population and high income states of the North east. And Berthold has nothing to do with it. It's at NCSU.
By the way, where EXACTLY is this clinic?? Wouldn't it make sense to say where pet lovers could go to get this treatment? Unless of course the answer is Pullman Washington, which I suspect it is LMAO. It's not even on an interstate, its an hour from the interstate in the south east corner of Washington, next to Idaho. Or as NCSU so aptly put it "in the middle of nowhere".
wrong again read the links
http://www.stockguru.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42
http://www.apria.com/resources/1,2725,494-825199,00.html
At best, the deal fell through, PHMB's intent was clearly to hire stockguru as well as other "promoters".
By the way, where is the money going to come from for their supposed expansion?? Multiple sites with high technology (LMAO) how is that going to be paid for? I can see the future posts now "they need to raise money for the next clinic"
This thing is set up to be a dilution machine. Will any assets somehow be transfered to say Pharmacom Biovet Cancer Clinics ltd?
Mr. Berthold's private Nevada corp.?? Now that's an interesting question.
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
Fleetwood Mac
Oh My, it does seem as if any business dealing with pets is destined to prosper...
That's an impressive group of articles you pulled off the internet, although the first one is argueing against massive drugs for dogs which PHMB is promoting...ROFL I suppose you were in a hurry, or sloppy. Is that really what you consider DD?
Since success is obviously pre ordained when dealing in pet services, have you called Mr. Berthold's pet store lately? I tried, but the number is no longer in service. Perhaps everything dealing with pets is not an iron clad guarantee...
You still have no answer to the questions I posed in my earlier post
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=32932780
Opening a premium service ($15K and up) in the begining of what may be the largest economic downturn in our lifetime seems a little optomistic???
By all means do your own DD, if you're ever able to dispute any thing I find let me know.
DD you won't find in the ibox
50 million in Class B stock - no known info on this.
this shell has been used in three separate P&D's in the last few years. The Amyot's with Bach hauser, Tony Papa with FLST and Dan Ryan and Sylvain Amyot with ABVG. Note that Sylvain Amyot was involved with the first and the third. Bach Hauser used preferred shares with outrageous voting rights so the original insiders could maintain control of this shell. In my opinion that's the most likely explanation for the Class B stock. The original insiders have never left.
Using paid touts (disclosed and non disclosed) such as stockguru and Pinnacle are classic features of P&D's.
Gary Berthold with the same board of directors also controls Pharmacom Biovet Cancer Clinics ltd. A private Nevada corporation. Why? If you have a suspicious mind thais is a very disturbing fact.
all in my opinion, of course.
This board is almost worth the price of admission LOL now that's entertainment.
GLTA Red, I think I've got to get over my obsession with this shell. I got to close to it and forgot how weak the story is.
Doggy Cancer Clinics just are not going to excite very many people.
When you add in the 3 billion A/S, this company is just primed for dilution. We've already seen a bit of it.
Then there's the class B stock and Mr. Berthold's control of Pharmacom Biovet Cancer Clinics, Ltd.(the private company) Too many red flags. Maybe I'll concentrate on ways to make money now :)
Whoopsie... that was quick, our new ASSt MOD is now the head guy.
Looking forward to see what he can do for us. Not to mention many pleasant conversations to come.
rofl.. well at least that's a good end to a bad day :)
let's hope there are better days to come.
GLTY
I've learned to read littleredbarn but it does takes practice
True enough, there have been times when I just wasn't capable of deciphering...tomorrow morning for example...
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
Fleetwood Mac
how 'bout that, maybe that'll liven things up around here.
Didn't notice it before.
Related news article
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/081010/0441996.html
now if I were a suspicious man...
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
Fleetwood Mac
Yep, there have been times in my life when I was convinced that I had to ward of Glaucoma, but these days Bourbon seems to cure what ails me :)
Have fun, I'm working late so is theoldballandchain, after 20 odd years, that's called a waste of a good night out of the house. You would think she would have the courtesy to schedule a meeting for a night when I'm home!
be careful with the kool aid
You've been into those illegal substances again, .10 is the maximum I see probable, and I think the chances of that are slim to none and slims in Texas with Red.