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NObody KNOWS! Why would you think that anyone does?
What I'm saying is that shorting is less likely after the news and therefore it's accounted for as of right now.
If there were any I would expect that we would know by now.
I don't know that sub-pennys meet 'prudent man rules' at any insitutions. This stock is for imprudent, crazy MF's like ourselves!
Exactly. Good response on my 'lifted post'!
The crystal ball, eye of newt, bones and entrails crowd is just getting warmed up. Watch the number of retail deals by actual named retailer climb faster than PPS this afternoon!
"Could not"? Do you imagine that the MM's are not wired in to stocks they have a position in? It may very well be reflected.
Usually you'll read ".....for shareholders of record" on such and such a date. So we should see an offical announcement well in advance of issuance of dividened.
However, the news is almost certainly known to the shorters.
If it is as significant as we seem to think, how long could they afford to remain short? For example if news came out after trading RE the dividend, then what?
I think the news is already reflected in the PPS.
I'm not the one crying, I'm the one tipping over the Kool-aid that you 'train passengers' are awash in, while making my way to a seat in the 'Non-Kool-aid club car'!
And you absolutely understand my use of 'we' in the post you responded to VS my shots at cheeleading and the mindless 'lets go....slap that ask!'
No teaching, just observation and statement of facts. I have no idea when retail agreements will be signed and PR'd and no illusions about 'us' 'slapping the ask'!
Or it may not. Do you realize how many times people have stated 'this train is leaving the station', 'I feel sorry for...' and 'last opportunity for cheapies', and been flat out wrong?
We LIKE those things to be true, but none of us has any idea if they will be.
Step up stlpenny, 'slap an ask' at .0058....for the 'team'!
'Lets' and 'we' don't work. Do what you think you have to do and leave it at that.
LOL! Yeah, GREAT idea to associate a 'texting' solution at an event where Tiger Woods will reintroduce himself to the golfing world. See breaking news.
I've been long ZVTk since last Oct. My 'agenda' is to make money based upon increase in share value. Beliefs don't enter into that calculus.
Been here long enough to see my investment blindsided from a combination of poor management and a lack of communication to shareholders.
I know that this board is viewed by ZVTK executives. There aren't that many of them and they can't be everywhere.
I don't want to take the chance they might be unaware of ANY competitve situations that could work to ZVTK's disadvantage, and by extension shareholders' interests as well.
Which selection of product would you like to approach a retail chain with, ZVTK's or the one shown below?
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NOT funny at all. National distribution in Lowes gives Anion talking point with other retailers that ZVTK can't match yet.
Unless there's a retail agreement announced for ZVTK soon, we could see some headwinds for the PPS. All the charts and cheerleading won't make up for a lack of retail agreements.
And here's what I found by entering my zipcode on the Anion site:
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Is it conceivable that anything as significant to both the health of the company and the interersts of the shareholders would NOT be the subjsect of a PR? Has a share buy-back for any company ever NOT been PR'd?
Either they do not know how to read a chart or more likely they understand that a chart ASSURES nothing about the future PPS movement one way or the other.
The notion that your chart interpretations are uniquely accurate or valuable is not founded on reality. They are a 'rear view mirror', nothing more nothing less.
Uh, NO. Their aren't enough bashers on ths or any other board to effect this stock. Read the posts. 'True believers' so far out number bashers, or more accurately people who raise legitimate questions, it's not even close. MM's are not 'testing' anyone.
And the PR was instantaneously availible to everyone with an interest in this company. Clearly it raised more questions than it answered. In any case be assured that every word in it was labored over by the principals and that it said as much as they were prepared to say.
We've recovered a bit as I write this. Depending upon which way it breaks the rest of the trading day we'll see angry posts about the boogeymen thwarting our wishes, or giddy post predicting instant riches.....SOON. The truth of the matter lies somewhere in between.
Burnt, you have only one 'tell' and that is that the stock is always about to go up, even when it doesn't. I'm long this stock and I've learned to ignore the 'Kool-aid' drinker 'predictions'.
The day that you acknowledge being wrong when you are wrong is the day you'll have a shred of credibility. Until then you're just a cheerleader.
Based upon what?
Dawg, don't worry about 'warm and fuzzy' from GOIG. This board is NOT 'back ordered' on warm and fuzzy!
Uh no, what you'd LIKE to see is either some sideways trading 5% + or - or a steady uptick in anticipation of a successful launch.
Strained attempts to put a good face on what's happened the last two days, AND the absence of any communication from GOIG to shareholders, are neither reassuring nor very convincing.
Again, 'hit 'em hard' yourself and make believers out of all of us. Or just put down your pom poms.
Just a guess, but maybe the packaging must be labled in English and French. Might as well do Spanish as well while they'e at it.
Perhaps it's people in Toronto or Vancouver picking up broadcasts of the infomercial from across the border. Means nothing unless and untill the bulbsare available for sale IN Canada.
And or, considering ZVTK's known history, they're looking for assurances from ZVTK of their ability to deliver and sustain supplies sufficient to support retailers.
Why don't you personally 'push it up'? The 'lets' doesn't seem to be working for you.
Enough with the 'lets'. There is no 'lets' in investing!
WOW! Just.......WOW!
Absurd. We have a bell shaped curve of board member projections of hopes and concerns that have zero power to move the investing universe of ZVTK shareholders one way or another. Most of the projections either way have no evidence to support them. So the notion that the people expressing concerns about the short term decline of their investment are trying to drive it down to pick up cheapies is nonsense.
The people in the middle of the curve, the 'reality based community, look at the extremes and either laugh to themselves or post as I have with liberal doses of ridicule and sarcasm.
No one knows if or when efforts to secure retail agreements will be successful. I doubt anyone posting hopes that they aren't successful, even if it means picking up more cheapies!
You don't KNOW anything. As if anything I post RE your chart reading is going to have any effect on the price! Where do you come up with the kind of paranoia that claims any critiques on this board are about picking up 'cheapies'?
The charts tell you what YOU want to believe. The trading VOL and PPS movement tell the rest of us something different.
We have no idea exactly when the launch is. First Quarter is all we have. Not likely before last Ambassador meeting, but no way to know for sure.
Good call. Anymore you want to share about that 'breakout chart"?
It was addressed to everyone who shares your 'team investing' theory implicit in the quotes of comments frequently found on this board. So the shoe fits.
Sell that 'team sports' mentality to pro boxers and singles tennis players just to name two exceptions. More to the point, how delusional do you have to be to think you're going to get individual investors on this board, with individual goals and methods, to act in concert on ANYTHING? And if you could, how much leverage would they have on the universe of investors beyond this board?
I don't begrudge anyone who needs the communal kum by ya moments that a board like this can provide, where people can share triumphs and disappointments with each other. And yeah, rag each other like I'm doing.
But please, no more "lets bring it home in the green", "lets finish strong" cheerleading, unless you've got the money and the will to single handidly make it happen.
2,097,900 share just sold @ .0047. Pick 'em up big timer!
"its wanting to close green that would be"
"Looks like we gonna close green today."
"agreed, green close lookin veddy possible eom "
Really? It 'wants', it "looks like"?
I've got level 2 so I've some grounding in reality.
Where are you coming up with this stuff?
I'm long and I WANT to see it rise, but c'mon
already. Your 'incantations' don't work!
Try some eye of newt, bones and chicken entrails
and get back to me on how that works.
No doubt you'll come back with newt at 80% buy, bones 100%
and entrails a very healthy 60%!
They would have to PR a launch date, if they shared that in the training session, because for certain some or many of the Ambassadors are also investors.