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Thatz OK.
I have to form a complete thought, thats all. And due to the complexity of the thing we are being attacked with, I can't figure out how else to do it.
GLTY
Imperial Whazoo
You hit it smack dab on target Manta Ray. The bullies on this board should never be spoken to and they should universally be ignored, IMHO.
As my posts have tried to explain, everything in life works on several levels simultaneously. For example, suppose I were to ask you who was a true genius, Albert Einstein or Michael Jordan?
If the only level of reality to which you will consent to grant attributes of genius is scientific, then obviously you would answer Einstein. I would answer, “Both”, for what controls awesome athleticism other than the brain?
In like manner, it is my belief that IHDR as a stock investment does not operate on a purely engineering / scientific level. I keep trying to explain that a huge power center in today's world is the force behind political reality. It only takes a minimalist level of understanding of government financed pump-priming projects, Rural Electrification during the Depression era being a prime example, to explain what’s happening with this stock. The opinions of the bullies on this board, whose religion is a spiteful personal hatred spewed on any and all in proximity, are unbalanced for the simple reason that they steadfastly repudiate any understanding arrived at and founded on thinking inconsistent with the doctrinal elements of their particular cultish “faith”. If we dare to ground ourselves with another anchor, we instantly become objects of their insults and derision. If we stray out of line or complain to loudly about the poison that is being spoon fed to us, it is an apparent unquestioned presupposition that we deserve to be beaten with vicious brutality as an warning to others to never be so stupid as try to think for themselves. The jack booted thuggery of the mind police bludgeoning us for harboring hope in our pathetic little hearts, right?
Our world needs to try new ideas as regards energy. To be able to develop a solution that taps flows of uncountable kinds as a local energy source and/or supplemental resource is, of its very nature, a worthwhile goal. It is history in the making when pioneering ideas are birthed. As a child emerging from the womb bears little resemblance to the old man who dies 90 years later, it is insanity for it to be argued that, right out of the box, an idea such as IHDR's is to be jettisoned because it fails to measure up to a baseline it’s detractor’s champion. What resemblance does the Wright brother's plane bear to a new Lear jet? Where exactly did Henry Ford place the onboard computer in the Model T?
It is right and proper to use government money to fund pioneering ideas that otherwise would not find support. This is the plain and simple explanation of the phenomenon we see unveiling itself right before our eyes. Beginning in October, money flowed into this stock and, appropriately, the Money Flow Indicator climbed for that entire month. Furthermore, we remain at this plateau as I write; money has not flowed back out. The same is true of both the On Balance Volume indicator and the Accumulation / Distribution indicator. The behavior of this stock only defies logic if you are so arrogant as to demand that everybody bow down and worship at the alter of your god, and genuflect to the purported brilliance of your intellect.
If the funding benchmarks are met without political dalliances, and if the Chinese step up and become a second center of gravity, then my opinion is that the stock price will go up. If the funding benchmarks are not met, it is my opinion that the stock price will go down. Success or failure as regards the benchmarks will be reflected in the stock price. Its as simple as that. The chart will tell its tale. By the way, unlike the bullies on this board, you do not have to worship my opinion. You can even disagree. Its called freedom, which includes the right to be wrong, if I remember correctly.
I steadfastly maintain that both Einstein & Jordan deserve to be recognized as geniuses. The haters, the bullies on this board, are screaming at us for refusing to acquiesce to their demand that their intellect be acknowledged to be superior. They are apoplectic at the thought that we refuse to bow down to them and join their cult. I do not know whether this stock will make me money, but I do know that this stock has undergone accumulation and that the accumulation has not been unwound. I made over 40% in KING yesterday, another unknown stock whose chart told me it was being accumulated. If you want to see others, PM me and I’ll give you my working list. I know how to read charts, and until this chart changes (IHDR’s), it remains a good risk, IMHO…. A risk I am more than willing to intelligently take.
I, for one, think Rosa Parks was right for refusing to take her seat at the back of the bus, don’t you?
Imperial Whazoo
HEMI? Who is Hemi? I tested the symbol by entering it in and it wasn't a valid symbol.
Imperial Whazoo
OT: I think that offshore they can fail to deliver or something like that. You need to ask eats. All I know about it is that I like the buyins.net site because it makes timing based on upsurges more precise. If the idea is to make money on moves, the more tools you have to keep you from parking your $$ in stocks waiting for them to move, the better, So, why it happens, I don't know. That you can make money if you time their need to cover correctly, that is a given, IMHO.
Imperial Whazoo
Wow. thats a nice well!!
Right. BIGN is not listed as a victim of naked shorting, at this time anyway, according to buyins.net. Thats the specific truth as regards BIGN (according to buyins.net anyway), but it is not a truth that ALL pennies/pinkies are devoid of shorting. eats is 100% right in trying trying to get folks to wake up to this as a general rule. That you found exactly what I found as regards BIGN does not mean eats is wrong about short situations on pennies/pinkies. I mean, all you have to do to confirm this is write down a note to yourself on every stock that shows up on buyins.net that is under a dollar. Self-evidently, if you were correct about naked shorting not being a problem in the penny world, there wouldn't even be any stocks in your hand writtten list, but fact is there are many such stocks. So, that clinches it. eats is an experienced hand. He knows because of experience. My certainty comes from having worked on sites such as buyins.net. Frankly, there's a lot of $$ to be made if you learn the tools, such as those on buyins.net and use them. So, sorry man, but I've simply got to disagree with you. Naked shorts are a huge potential problem for pinkies on up the price chain to the big boys.
Imperial Whazoo
Thats right, generally nosey -
And if you do want to find the pennies & BBs that are being "naked shorted", I "advertise" the following specialized service: http://www.buyins.net It does a respectable job of tracking just which ones are being naked shorted. And, to judge by their info, BIGN is not as of this moment.
Keep it between the lines man,
Imperial Whazoo
Live?
medchal -
http://www.buyins.net
Nice service... for naked shorts on pennies, and others too. Worth the monthly subscription price, too, IMHO ($9.95 or $19.95/month).
What... you don't have one parked permanantly in your second garage?
Imperial Whazoo
Well, it goes to show you that even the MMs are unwilling to time this stock. Thats one value to the absurd quiet from Lancaster & crew... not a vote in favor of it, mind you, just an observation of its effect in that it scared off the shorts, too (maybe?!?!)
Imperial Whazoo
Remember the May runup. It took 19 days to... Ahem.... "Climax" (get slippery as per wave). 19 days. How long will this one go? How about another poll?
Imperial Whazoo
I have no idea, man.
Personally, I'd never try such a thing. But. you know, maybe I'm just to conservative.
You get too many balls in the air your liable to drop them all.
Me, I'm not selling. I want to have a front row seat.
Imperial Whazoo
Look, I hold WWNG. I get a special dividend representing my shareholding in WWNG. So, what factor applies? Of course WWOG doesn't exist. But the basis is my ownership of WWNG. Thus, what factor?
Duh!!
Is the problem you are having understanding my question that you don't own both BIGN & WWNG? Some of us own both.
So would that be 10% of 42,453,448? or 10% of 110,000,000?
What factor to use then?
And also, same question of BIGN?
Imperial Whazoo
Thanx. I knew I was reading it right.
My wife had the numbskull morning "newatainment" show on in the kitchen as I poassed thru and I thought Mat Lower said it had passed.
Imperial Whazoo
Say, I have a question thats sure to be lampooned but I wouldn't ask if it weren't actual.
Here's the wwng version of the PR
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061211/110201.html
Here'd the BIGN version of the PR
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061211/110207.html
Noe compare the verbiage:
BIGN's
"TYLER, Texas, Dec. 11, 2006 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Biogenerics Limited (Other OTC:BIGN.PK - News) announced that its shareholders will be receiving a special dividend gifting from its subsidiary, WW Oil and Gas Inc. Biogenerics' shareholders who hold shares as of January 2, 2007 will be eligible for the special dividend. The shares will be payable on January 30, 2007. This special dividend represents 10% of WW Oil and Gas Inc. The dividend will be mailed out to Biogenerics shareholders of record without any action(s) required by eligible recipients."
WWNG's
"FARMINGTON, N.M., Dec. 11, 2006 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- WW Energy Inc. (Other OTC:WWNG.PK - News) announces a special dividend to its shareholders of record as of January 2, 2007. This special dividend represents 10% of WW Oil and Gas Inc. which is a subsidiary of WW Energy and is not a publicly traded company. The dividends will be payable on January 30, 2007. The special dividend will be mailed out to WW Energy Inc. shareholders without any action(s) required by qualifying recipients."
Now, if I'm reading this right, if I'm a shareholder of BIGN, I get a special 10% dividend that "will be mailed out to Biogenerics shareholders of record". The dividend for BIGN is for "Biogenerics' shareholders who hold shares as of January 2, 2007".
Now lets look at the WWNG dividend. To quote the PR from WWNG: "The special dividend will be mailed out to WW Energy Inc. shareholders". And also, "WW Energy Inc. (Other OTC:WWNG.PK - News) announces a special dividend to its shareholders of record as of January 2, 2007."
Pardon me, but doesn't this mean that there is a special dividend in WWOG (not yet trading) from both WWNG & BIGN? And thus, if you happen to hold both, doesn't this mean that a 10% share comes from each of WWNG & BIGN? (20% of WWNG factored by share positions in WWNG & BIGN).
If I'm reading this wrongly, somebody point out where, please.
Imperial Whazoo
Does anybody have an opinion on the off shore legislation that passed? I haven't had time to read it yet.
whats the concenasus? Anybody read any articles explaining it yet?
Imperial Whazoo
I know but that doesn't mean a American university couldn't test a second unit. I guess I'm just not trusting of political situations. IMHO, when you let the only university tests be done outside of your sphere of influence, you open yourself to the political gamesmanship I keep expecting to materialize. So, i'm just "lobbying" for something I don't really expect to happen. even so, I think its smarter than turning it over to a European university only. That all.
Imperial Whazoo
To remove any obstacle to liscensing their manufacture to the Chinese. The EU deal is not world wide. They units manufactured over there are not for the whole world. The Chinese option allows the sale in other parts of the world. If they let it out the door to Europe before this "delay", the "delay" in what is needed for the rest of the world would be open ended. So, the target market for the rest of the world is what they obtain if the electrical output is certifiied. That way, they are not held up while the EU tests it in their university. The Chinese are saying they can manufacture it at about half the price. The Chinese option is substantial. They can't let it get lost in the EU political process before testing it for licensing to the Chinese (and who knows who else).
Imperial Whazoo
Run him down (as in look him up) not run him over!!
Yeah, but even so, this is by far the best wording in PRs to date, IMHO.
Two reasons I can see,
1. I can guarantee there is a checklist governing the stages of the project and, although they do not have to await physical delivery to begin manufacturing, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts the money is triggered by the checklist.
2. Which brings us to the second reason which is that the university that will do independent testing is the checklist item requiring physical delivery, which triggers access to the $$. Delivery is implicit in meeting the checklist item to get university testing done which, in turn, is the checklist item governing release of funding.
So, shipment is a checklist item of a sort, but a checklist item doesn't govern manufacturing. It concerns only getting checked off by physical delivery so the unit can go thru independent university testing and thus trigger access to funding.
All IMHO, of course, but thats what I think is the reason behind delivery. One thing this tells us, if true, is that testing will not be in a US university. It will be in a European university.
If it were me, I'd also contract with Auburn or Texas A & M or Georgia Tech to independently test it over here. That way, political jackassery over in the EU is counterbalanced by research here in the US. And, by having a US university do it in parallel, it may free them up to sell it to the Chinese while the EU is playing politics with it. Of course, if they only have the one unit, they are not going to be able to leverage this option, so it may be a mute point.
IMHO, of course... all of it.
Imperial Whazoo
Exactly, which is what I said earlier about them creating structural reasons to holding onto the stock. Jan 2 does that.
Imperial Whazoo
Who knows.
Its kind of like that radio ad running around here that goes something like "If 3 times 12 is 36, what color are daisies in the spring?"
"Thursday?", replies one radio voice.
"Correct!" replies the announcer.
Whuhooo!!
Imperial Whazoo
No, I hate to disagrree with you but my glass is half full, not half empty.
Oh don't worry about it nosey. Its looking good from whatever angle. Its not like its bad news. I'm actually enjoying the humor of it.
What about those of us into both of them? In that the PR came out from WW first, I assumed it was from WW but now its mirrored on BIGN?
"Who's on first? I Don't Know. No, he's on second! Who? I Don't Know! What? No, he's on third." "Abbott & Costello"
Imperial Whazoo
Looks like they are trying to create structural reasons to hold people in the stock till Jan 2 2007.
Imperial Whazoo
Exacly the confusing language: from your post, the following "WW Energy Inc. is a holding company that was created to acquire oil and gas service companies as well as oil and gas-related assets through two wholly owned subsidiaries."
Wholly owned subsidiaries. Thats the point. How on earth can one of your subdivisions 50% owned by BIGN while at the same time be wholly owned by the parent company? I suppose the riddle disentangles in that they wholly own the susidiaries but BIGN owns 50% of one of them.... wait a minute, that doesn't make sense either!?! In any event, I ain't bailing but I'll be darned if I can figure it out.
These guys graduated summa cum laude from the "Toronto School for the Precision Impaired", and I'm certain they are working on their doctorates!! In fact, I bet they all have Phi Beta Cappa keys in obfuscation.
Imperial Whazoo
So even though they hold a minority position on Tyche's board (37.5%), you figure they had the muscle to gift 10% but not from the percentage they held? In essence, they persuaded others to gift BIGN shareholders? I'd liked to have been a fly on the wall of that BOD meeting. I'm not saying it wasn't done that way. I have personal experiewnce in a BOD meeting where the chair turned out to have been caught doing something shady and they covered it up by doing something absurd. After all, a BOD is a power unto itself. So, I hope you are rignt and that they still hold 37.5% because I'm better off because of it. I'm just saying that a minority position on the board had to do some pretty fancy dance steps to muscle the sale of a 10% share of a company and that 10% not come out of their share.
Imperial Whazoo
So I should return the little picture frame I just bought at the craft store?
I certainly hope so. I bought them because my take was that the Toronto guys seem to be quite crafty and it was my guess, at the time, that I had better have a position in each entity they were entangled with. I would have bought into Hydroslotter in a heartbeat if they hadn't been private. When BIGN "apparently" sold their interest in WW, I said to myself "Great. I parked my $$ in this for a reason that proved to be ephemeral. I hate it when that happens!!". I didn't sell, of course, because I figured confirmation was needed and I figured it was not going to be possible for the MMs to drive the price down. I figured they would fail.
I like the idea BIGN is to emerge debt free but I would have preferred not to have parked my $$ in the one they ended up selling. So now that they don't appear to have bailed on WW, its good I parked it there. I actually think the wells they are promising will be getting done soon and regularly, and that value will be coming into WW.
Note the chart and look at BIGN's chart. What always seems to happen before an upmove? Its darkest before dawn... that sort of thing. It is one of the truisms of charting that often, immediately before good news, the MMs drive weak hands out by driving down price. They are greedy little buggers and they want to snatch up any crumbs before the big move. I figured that was what was happening in WW's case over the last few weeks. Look at the long tailed hammer on 12/1 (WWNG chart). All tests of the low that was rejected that day have held solid. It failed to reach lower lows every time. So, now, as of this moment, it is doing a bullish engulfing.
The question is, then, has BIGN sold anything to raise $$ or not and, if so, what have they sold?
Imperial Whazoo
Well lets hope so. But, apparently unlike Tyche, they are mailing certificates. I wish they weren't but thats the way it reads. I always likes looking at a pretty stock certificate so I think I'll show mine to my kids, as an object lesson so they better grasp what daddy does all day.
Imperial Whazoo
More confusing wording. Where did these guys get their schooling in English.... Did they take classes to learn to be opaque?
Imperial Whazoo
Can you be precise? After all the confusion, it would be dynomite to discover that they spun out 10% but then they re-obtained the 10% again at some later date. The timing is important because we all have the PR where we went from 37.5 to 27.5 with the 10% gift. I'm dying to see this re-obtaining of that 10%.
So, please post it in precise detail. After all, it is you email records, so nobody else can post it but you.
it would be excellent news to find we've got 37.5% again, IMHO. So, please, dates, words, precision.
TIA
Imperial Whazoo
When did you do this email exchange?
Then where did the 10% we got come from?
These guys have a pioneering idea. If they have got the EU government 40 million, then a pioneering idea has a chance to see the light of day. There was an interesting article in Friday's Wall Street Journal regarding NIH funding of research with folks who championed a pioneering body of medical research. It gets lost in the self promotiing chest pounding all these armchair engineers have been doing that the reason this stock is viable is that it has won a shootout with other companies and is in the driver's seat as regards $40 million in funding. It is governments responsibility, IMHO, to back and promote needed technological innovation, just as it is right and proper for the NIH to fund fringe type revolutionary thinking as regards health & medicine. This world desparately needs to reprocess waste and tap into wasted energy sources. Ideas that win funding, as has IHDR, who have actually progressed towards the goal of making their far-out thinking have a chance to reach fruition are rare. The key is the availability of available funds. It is simply irrelevant that the mindset of the mainstream engineering community screams at those of us who embrace the hope of research into pioneering ideas resulting in breakthroughs. What else would you expect from the mind police other than the demand that we all get back in line and obey our masters? I agree with your assessment that this is a brilliant idea and I invested for that reason. Now, today, IHDR has built the device after winning the shootout to tap into a good sized chunk of research funding (40 mill). Until the dynamics of the funding change, I remain on board. Like Jerry McGuire.... show me the money!
Imperial Whazoo