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Kelsey I am sure everyone on the board will be looking forward to your insights upon your return, I know I will. GLTY
Kelsey the tight lipped Ceo is a double edged sword. It creates an information vacuum which allows the MMs to have their way.
Yes we are getting new investors slowly including some big ones but it does create doubt for any who might be on the fence as far as hemi goes.
I agree with you 100% on your post though. Last two Decembers have been great runs. This should be better with the certs being pulled and oil continuing to be high.
Even the flippers should find hemi attractive at these levels. The question is how long do they hold? It would be nice to see the slow steady rise like last year.
GLTY
New England has covered every spread this year. Largest spread ever but still may not be enough. Philly is one dimensional on offense. Stop Bryan Westbrook and they are toast. GLTY
Realperson you are right about Jag. It does give me a chance to present some numbers on hemi though.
Worst is over I think.
MMs have tried everything.
Just a matter of patience.
GLTY
Maybe it is lucas, you can check the ticker symbol. Consider upside of each. And the transparency issue seems to be the complaint du jour.
Posted by: 1581
In reply to: gtv who wrote msg# 26327 Date:11/23/2007 9:57:14 PM
Post #of 26363
yes, you definitely have a good point about transparency. The question then becomes is it worth 18 times the share price because that is the ratio if you look at the two companies.
I say no. There is a lot of "peripheral", "non-street" confirmation of hemi to say that this is a real company, with a well thought out plan, twenty years in the making, according to the first purchases of the archival information, from which Keith is building a great company.
This factor of 18 is just one more circumstantial piece of evidence of NSS. Hemi is not 1/18th of the company Lucent is just because it is not a reporting company. These are straws that bashers grab onto. I think that Enron and Global Crossing were reporting companies. That is overrated to me. It is used by bashers to their ends though.
I believe that this "shortcoming" has allowed bashers and MM Nss to try to manipulate the average shareholders.
I believe it is not just a coincidence that the most knowledgeable, the longest term, the deepest, and the most sophisticated shareholders are the most ardent about holding long regardless of the smoke and mirrors the MMs create along with their lackey bashers who are quickly dismissed.
Considering all of the on site visits, the photos, the third party reserve report, the reporting on business news shows and all of the emails from Keith, either this is the most complex and grandest conspiracy in the history of not just stocks, but the world, or that Hemi is the real deal.
My bet is on Hemi.
Jag, This was already discussed ad nauseum on the board. The pr did not say anything about releasing the results in a pr but that they would have the results. All part of the proving up process. Remember they have five times the leases in Kansas now then when that previous reserve information was released.
And you know with the archive Keith has, he is not buying just any lease, he knows what is where and probably has a pretty good idea how much as well. Remember nat gas had no value when a lot of these reports were made, found, noted and forgotten.
Which would you invest in?
Posted by: 1581
In reply to: None Date:11/23/2007 1:55:57 PM
Post #of 26362
No tax loss selling of hemi.
Why would anyone take a tax loss on a stock at the bottom with 1000 to 2000% upside.
Here is why hemi is very undervalued, at least for me. This is hemi energy versus lucent energy
symbol----------------hmgp---------------- luce
debt------------------- 0-------------------0
profitable-------------yes----------------yes
float------------------19M--------------26M
insiders---------------25%---------------36%
proven reserves ------2.2M------------1.6M
oil/gas info
archive ---------------yes-------------no
shareprice -----------.09-------------1.67
Jag, Keith, Craig, Joyce and John all have their shares as certs, probably about 25% of AS. Company has not been selling into the market, only using restricted shares for more lease acquisition.
The ah trades appear to be MMs either shuffling between each other or representative of the day's buying to make it look like dilution. There have been extended periods during the trading day before where no trades seem to occur.
Some big brokers are trying to avoid giving certs, probably because they have to go on the market to get them, saying they are a in a big block that cant be broken up or held electronically.
The more certs get acquired while oil continues to rise and hemi keeps pumping oil and bringing more wells on line, it seems like it is only a matter of time.
You said you would buy at a dollar, you may get your chance soon.
Jagman, I must say I am very impressed. I thought you were only an expert in undervalued domestic oil and natural gas stocks like Hemi, hmgp. Have a great weekend.
Wow, squeeze could be bigger than anyone realizes if this is the case, because Scottrade does not hesitate to sell hemi or give up Certs.
If they are the up to now silent force behind this, they have much to lose. There marketing shows they are a very large player with many investors.
If they are short, they will be providing the greatest amount of rocket fuel whenever, if ever, the squeeze begins. GLTY
I think that the growing number of brokers who will not allow buys of Hemi shares but only sells, or neither, is just further evidence of the Naked Shorting. There I said it in caps!!
Boy have some big boys stepped in one this time. ROTFLMAO
I am with scottrade too. Never had any trouble buying Hemi. I guess as long as we keep paying the fees for Roger Riney to keep flying in his helicopter we can keep buying Hemi. LOL
GLTAL
Sounds like you will need another broker than them. Scottrade is one that does not hesitate to sell. I think you should read every link in the Ibox as well as the semi annual report from pinksheets.com and company website before you consider investing. GLTY
yes, you definitely have a good point about transparency. The question then becomes is it worth 18 times the share price because that is the ratio if you look at the two companies.
I say no. There is a lot of "peripheral", "non-street" confirmation of hemi to say that this is a real company, with a well thought out plan, twenty years in the making, according to the first purchases of the archival information, from which Keith is building a great company.
This factor of 18 is just one more circumstantial piece of evidence of NSS. Hemi is not 1/18th of the company Lucent is just because it is not a reporting company. These are straws that bashers grab onto. I think that Enron and Global Crossing were reporting companies. That is overrated to me. It is used by bashers to their ends though.
I believe that this "shortcoming" has allowed bashers and MM Nss to try to manipulate the average shareholders.
I believe it is not just a coincidence that the most knowledgeable, the longest term, the deepest, and the most sophisticated shareholders are the most ardent about holding long regardless of the smoke and mirrors the MMs create along with their lackey bashers who are quickly dismissed.
Considering all of the on site visits, the photos, the third party reserve report, the reporting on business news shows and all of the emails from Keith, either this is the most complex and grandest conspiracy in the history of not just stocks, but the world, or that Hemi is the real deal.
My bet is on Hemi.
No tax loss selling of hemi.
Why would anyone take a tax loss on a stock at the bottom with 1000 to 2000% upside.
Here is why hemi is very undervalued, at least for me. This is hemi energy versus lucent energy
symbol----------------hmgp---------------- luce
debt------------------- 0-------------------0
profitable-------------yes----------------yes
float------------------19M--------------26M
insiders---------------25%---------------36%
proven reserves ------2.2M------------1.6M
oil/gas lease
archive ---------------yes-------------no
shareprice -----------.09-------------1.67
all that, an updated reserves and lease report and 1.00 could be in the rear view mirror
pf I replied to your post only because I was too lazy to hit new post. These are just my speculations I posted. I think another cert drive is good.
Was just trying to think how it would effect MMs.
No matter what they do,no longs,me waiting for dollars included, will not sell.
Are we going to see another run to .90 or higher as another attempt to cover?
They only managed to bring the price down to a fourth or fifth of previous lows. I think this shows great strength considering we are at the mercy of the market manipulators.
I think MMs may be in a bind now for several reasons.
1. In order to continue to pretend hemi has serious flaws that are holding back the share price they have to not allow the request for certs to have any effect. Which means there should be more shorting to make up for the buying pressure created.
2. Historically, even before 100bbl oil, Hemi has had nice December runs. Why should this year be any different and with the "coiled spring" hemi is that many people have mentioned, this means more difficult to hold down.
3. Certainly by now they know Keith is up to something but without information of what, how or when they dont know how much longer to short and how much deeper to dig the hole.
4.As more investors realize their best hedge against the rising price of oil and gas, those not into this sector should start looking at it. And those that are more conservative and seeing prices rise may be then willing to look at some smaller undervalued companies.
All in all I think it will be an interesting holiday season for hemi.
Then, again, you are here for the wrong reason. This is not a momo stock. You really should have done better DD before you bought, then you would have seen the long term play.
Everyone would like to see the things you mentioned but it aint happnen anytime soon. When you see them you can buy hemi at a buck or two. Until then you are wasting everyones time including your own.
Longs here are too committed here based on all of the things we know.
For people such as yourself to come onto the board and highlight those few things we dont know is old news.
Either buy or dont, but you will not change any minds on this board. You lazyeye, who still has two challenges he has not met, and Jagman(who tried to meet my challenge but fell this much short) can all talk amongst yourselves all of the problems you see with hemi but it will not shake any longs.
Chris you just told me you bought twice this year already under the same circumstances. Are you being disingenuous now or were you not being truthful about buying?
And if you really did buy you bought before doing thorough DD.
Now that is investing 101.
I am sure I know less about Hemi than you do Badge.
First of all you dont know what I know. Twice as attractive involves the share price being half as much while float remains the same.
I am here for a buyout so I focus on AS which will determine the value of my shares. This is the long term view.
If you are here as a flipper, you may not feel right about the views many longs have.
And lazyeye when are you going to find me a stock as strongly accumulated as hemi, 100% green cmf. Still waiting on that.
When you bought twice before the TA was gagged and the financial information from the semi annual report had not come out. Why are they so important to you now?
You buy, then you start doing DD? I thought it would work better the other way around.
Assuming I believe those statements about when you bought, you must have liked something about hemi then at those high prices.
I would think hmgp would be at least twice as attractive now considering the price is lower and more assets have been added.
To put listed and blue chip standards on any pink sheets stock is ridiculous.
You can buy or not, but ranting, raving and whining about issues that are outside of your control are just annoying.
I think many longs are content to ride Keith's coattails. I am. He is putting everything on the line for hemi and has much more at stake than any of us.
Since it is football season here are some hemi and football analogies.
Monday morning quarterback knew what he would have done differently.
Monday morning ceo knows how he would have operated the company differently, but Keith gets no second guessing.
Armchair quarterback is someone who never played but knows everything about football watching on tv at home.
Armchair ceo (we have a few it seems) never owned or evened managed a company but want to sit at computer keyboard and make all the decisions or question the ones that were made.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Badge that is ok with me. AS has not increased. The bigger his stake in hemi the greater his committment and the better for all of us. Besides, you probably already realized he took those in lieu of salary because his money was used for working off the flood damage.
Keith is largest single owner so has most at stake and most control of ownership. Besides that he is CEO.
Now if a meeting of shareholders could happen, then your shares represent your vote, assuming common are votable shares.
They may not be and that is fine with me. I trust Keith.
He has done everything right so far and any time I think I may have done something different, to myself not posted, events reveal that Keith was thinking several moves ahead.
If you own any shares your ownership of the company is proportional to the os. This is business 101.
I can provide links if you need them.
Frankly I do not believe you own shares in hmgp anyway.
under valued domestic oil stock hmgp
Hemi Energy group compared to lucent energy
symbol hmgp luce
debt 0 0
profitable yes yes
float 19m 26m
insiders 25% 36%
proven reservs 2.2 m 1.6m
oil/ gas lease
archive yes no
shareprice .09 1.67
Most pink CEOs would never regret keeping the company private but would chuckle about how taking it public has allowed them to take outrageous salaries, dilute unmercifully, reverse split, continue the process or resurface under a new name.
Keith is the exact opposite of this. He knows his efforts and the company's well being are tied together. He does not take a huge salary because he knows the payoff for him and the goal is a buyout.
Keith abhors debt and dilution because it effects him MORE THAN ANYOTHER STOCKHOLDER due to the size of his position.
Do a little DD if you do not realize all of this.
You, unless you have a share or two are not, repeat, not a partial owner of the company. And if you do have a few hundred shares your input is proportional to your holdings.
I guess I should go to McDonalds and ask them for filet mignon and shrimp cocktail and then get upset when they dont have them on the menu.
When you DEMAND things from a stock that are mostly in the non pink world it makes me think you should find some fortune five hundred companies to invest in. This stock is not for you. It has burned you twice, by your choice of trading patterns.
Even a cat only jumps onto a hot stove once, then never jumps on any stove ever again.
I think what Keith means when he regrets taking the company public is that he has to then deal with some shareholders who tell him to "wake up", who demand things that would suit them, that think they have the wherewithal to do what he does.
Get your own company, if you have the knowledge or ability.
Considering there are truly only a few who post here who have the experience or the education or both to run a company I certainly understand why Keith made that statement.
I certainly would not want to deal with whiny shareholders who cannot deal with what is not within their control.
Not true, money is lost if you buy a long term stock, flip it too early then take the loss. You have done that and then confirmed it a second time.
This is a stock that requires some patience, not immediate gratification.
I have lost no money on hemi as of yet. And considering the company is much further along their plan than when oil was 45bbl and we were priced at .45, I feel pretty good about my long term investment. Certainly looking forward to paying the capital gains taxes when necessary.
Sounds like you flipped hemi twice, for losses.
No wonder you have such a bitter tone to your posts. How much DD did you do anyway?
This is not a stock to try to flip. If you do enough DD you will find it is a good long term, year or two hold.
For all of the things you now want to demand from hemi, they will be coming but then you will probably not like the much higher share price at that time.
Hemi may not be good for you, at least twice so far it hasn't been.
You "oldtimers" in hemi, yes I have read every post from the beginning, had great foresight. There is no doubt about it and you deserve the big payday that will come. For someone looking at Hemi now, with all the great DD just linked on the board must be blind or over cautious. And over cautious people should not be looking at pinks anyway. GLTY
LOL When I was younger my friends where I worked would decide if we wanted to go to Roy Rogers for lunch and have TriggerBurgers.
"Eatin good (? meat) in the neighborhood"
Delete at will.
Should I be investing in Applebys then?
I think I know what you are looking for. You are looking for a fully reporting, ungagged TA, audited stock that is part of a major index.
Well.... Wrong board.
There are multimillion share positions by individual shareholders and groups you are not even aware of.
The fact the pps slips on low volume does not mean accumulation has not occurred.
I will challenge you as I did Jagman.
Find another stock in the universe that shows 100% accumulation on the CMF chart.
Didnt you wish Lowman good bye and good luck and make a graceful exit before? Why are you resurrecting these dead horse issues again like "nonreporting pink?
This is not new news.