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I agree Tom must have some backing.If it is true they are going to move to NY, I believe this indicates a high probablity that big money is going to get behind them. The smart money is always looking for the next emerging market. This one is different it has low barriers of entry but at the same same high barriers of entry. The high barriers of enry are for a major corporation - they cannot be exposed to marijuana business until it becomes main stream. So the best plan is to setup a small company to get in it at a distance and in 3-5 yrs they take it over when the medical marijuanna business becomes main stream in the publics eyes.
So you saying st & td will not lift their restriction for some time.
So you are saying that the MMs basically increased the "not real" float by 3B shares from shorting that needed to be covered?? Where are they going to get them if you think the float is @ 1B??
I am not as smart as you but where are our 1B+ shares on this board coming from?? He had to have increased the float since march.
Something changed if releases the S/S on Monday. I agree he wanted to release it next month that is what he told me. I think you are right he reached an agreement with the MMs. He probably told them what is coming up to get them to buy into the price will be higher down the road. Take a little loss now and make it up many times more. We will know which way he is going on Monday.
I agree with you but I think the day of the MMs controlling like they have in the past will not be. The SEC is nailing some of the guys in pinkie land now. I doubt they will clean it up completely but with enough shareholders complaining they will look into more of these issues. When Bush was pres and Chris Cox was head of the SEC they just looked the other way. I think if we all complained to the SEC they would have to look into our concern. This seems to be the most organized board I have been on. I do think the list Lt put together is probably pretty accurate. With all of the shareholders on that list complaining, the SEC could look at the list the company has of all of the shareholders and shares they hold and if we are close they would have to look into. I got a copy of that list for a company I was in showing the shareholders and their shares. A good IR has that list and he looks at it when you call in. If you are a big shareholder they do listen to you. Mark my word, I think Frank will being using this when shareholders call in.
Agree you have to be friends with the MMs if you are the CEO. I think your right that they have reached some type of agreement. I also believe the pressure of the shareholders and a possible class action suite he did not need. So I think he told the MMs I cannot hold out any longer. I believe the shareholders would have gotten the SEC to look into the whole thing and ST does not need any more problems with the SEC.(with this new administrartion the SEC is not something you bush aside like you did with Bush) I would have loved to be the fly on the wall hearing Tom's conversations with the MMs, ST & TD. I believe like I told Tom he is not 100% clean and with certain things I know and have things that would not help him and I stated just put the f-- SS out ASAP. I also called the paper and asked if they did a background check on the company before writing the article. They seemed be concerned they might get hauled into a law suite for complacency and not doing their job completely.
Now we have an IR person which is good, someone to talk to the shareholders and watch the stock and to communicate to Tom while he works on the business. An SEC review will not help him raise money. I still believe their is private money and there will be private money coming - hedge funds and private equity is always looking for the next hot market to make money. The green stuff is not so hot anymore now that the Chinese are in it. Are the Chinese in dope??? Not that I see so the margins should still be very high. IMO
Eric, that is all I asked from him on the phone conversation. His excuse was they are not a reporting company until Jan. The MMs will have the upperhand unless he has a merger or something great to pr. We had some other harsh words if you want them then email at gibber12003@yahoo.com
So Tom tells people confidential conversations of shareholders. Really trustworthy guy. So he talks to you and mypennies and does not talk to others unless you have something he wants to know. Nice way to run a company. First time I ever got a call back - I was nice all the other times and never got a call back. Did he tell you that I have information that would not be good if he screws us it would help to put him behind bars or would really help??
He called me back a scond time, not happy with my questions. He wants me to sell and take my profit that tell a lot.
Tom called my after leaving some interesting concerns. We will not get an update on the S/S until Jan.
Has anyone talked to the reporter that did the article on the company?? I did it was an interesting talk - they seem to not do any checks on this company like phone #, location, business license, criminal check on the CEO,and etc.
You have any information on utek for me or can direct me to links?? It seems most of these guys have always worked with a group or people that have committed fraud. I am not saying Tom has but they are always very secretive and have a reason for it or have someone explain why they are secretive on issues.
Why monday? Is that the information you are getting or someone else???
S/S seems to be as secretive as their phone and listing of where they do business. No trace of their business in the normal places that businesses register like the city, the phone company yellow pages and etc.
So that is fact. So have you tried to call the company. I have and the numbers are no good - no one answers the the number on the filings. No messenge comes up saying it is HESG - nothing but ring ring. I called the city and the clerk that handles businesses that get licenses for the city (required to have) have no record of this company. No search for business phone numbers come up for HESG in that area. So have you checked?? I was given a number that was suppose to be for the company and it is just an ansering service with no company name - just left a messenge and never heard back- Is this a real company if they do not have a phone# - how do they do business??
How do we know he flew out to the West coast and got back Wednesday night?
Hey, we would like you to tell your friend Tom to tell us the S/S since he has nothing to hide. By the way do you ever get time to read your gmail??
It seems like 98-99% of the time these stocks all play out the same way. The CEO develops a close rapport with one or two retail investors that beome their messenger to the retail investors. These messenger/s are used (most of the time they are not involved with the con) by the CEO to keep the retail investors engaged in the stock while they dilute. They send supposedly "inside" information to the retailer investors while they gage the T/A and state all these great things they are doing and what will happen. The messenger is take along with the retail investors for the ride to hold the bag. They are always sold as someone that has a real personal concern on why they are doing their work it is not just for the money but for a real concern for mans good. This is a cover for them to just make money for them. In this case it is the medical marijuana for his uncles death. I am not saying this one will play out that way but it sure is setting up that way. Tom will not come clean on the S/S. If he has nothing to hide he has no problem giving us the S/S.
When you look at this company what do they really have?? They have no technology, no patents, no accounting programs and the list goes on. All they have a CEO that is smart to to see a new growing market that he wants to get into ASAP. The only thing he needs is money to buy up cooperatives and growing facilities. Unless he has money he has nothing so either he has to dilute or have private funding to have anything to offer to do what he wants to do. This is the 64K question. Tom needs to come clean ASAP on the S/S. The MMs know 99.9 % of the time how this game plays out and they win 99.9% of the time. Just my 2 cents - I am like you I have ridden these things too many times too long. When the retail investors talk about how much more is in these stocks it is time to get out.
Thanks
Your information is amazing - especilly the sites you come up with information. ?? where do you go for most of it?
I have monitored his board and I believe your right I never believed him when he says he is holding a stock that I know he sold. My point is Tom might be into something bigger than he has told us so far and he has to be quiet now.
If Momo100 is right that Tom is talking to a major pharma, then I doubt we will here anything for weeks or even a month or more. These guys will not let you pr anything until it goes thru the lawyers, marketing, public relationship dept and the list goes on to get the needed approvals. If anything big on this magnitude is going on mypennies will not get anything out of the ceo now.
got it
Not out here in the Bay Area - read Craigslist personals and i am sure they do not mean 420 for cop talk.
Do you think Tom is going to hold off until around dec 22 before the settlement dec 23th date if the vol is so low to pr antything. Reason is they will be squeezed to get the shares needed so badly. If they are short more than 5-6b shares i think time would be on Tom's favor.
I know what 420 means - to toke at 4:20pm it started in san rafael, ca north of bay area - not sure what 420.30 means
Now it looks like a Mexican Standoff until Dec23
Now it looks like a Mexican Standoff until Dec23
How many do you think are legit ones vs the nake shorted shares?
Well they need t to show they are truely longs and not pumpers.
I do agree Tom will have to come clean on the A/S, O/S & float soon. If not the stock will continue down.
This posting and the previous one on Tom explains to me why funds have taken a position in this stock even if is small. It also tells me that he probably has private funding backing him. I think with this background he knows how this game is played with the MMs in the financial markets. Nite might have met their match. It is possible if Tom has the backing of private investors he probably did not dilute. Even though the chart says to sell with his background I will ride it out. It will be interesting.
Bet what??
Look at all the Ivy Leaguers that are in the treasury dept. and see the mess we are in.
The chart is getting worse every day but I am not sure not how much of that is due to the restrictions on buying it. I think the MMs know time is in their favor the longer they have to come clean on the shorted shares. The more time the more people will sell out as the stock goes down. The question is how many shares they have to buy back. According to mypennies they have 15 days so it looks like they have 12 more days to go. At @ 300M shares traded a day then 3-5B shares can be bought back by the time they have to come clean. If they are just short 5B then they will probably be ok and we will not get that much upward movement. If they are short 13B then we will be ok. We just are in the dark on two main peices of information - shorted shares and O/S. This is why pinkies are always in favor of the MMs 99% of the time. This is going to be a gamble and I hope I am right holding but by the end of the month we will know.
Agree, 40 yrs & 1T spent on the war on drugs and we have more crime and more drugs than ever.
Mypennies how come your so nice to the ladies?? They seem to get your attention ASAP. lol