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trader's expo Feb 16-19
Is anybody going to this?
During the ValueRich presentation, Paul said they would be attending. I have not heard anything else about it.
http://www.moneyshow.com/msc/nyot/main.asp?scode=
notice how the diagram here http://www.unwin.com/EAIFramework.html#Topic32
looks quite familiar to the diagram here
http://www.spooz.net/brokerage_solutions.htm
Many of the symbols are very similar, along with certain components, like the FIX trading venue. Unwin basically brought ArgoServer to the table when he joined Spooz IMO. That would explain why ArgoServer just kind of popped up all of a sudden when we previously hadn't heard much about it.
thanks airdale, i did not get my shares. i will be fishing again next week.
i know someone has posted it here before but what is the number for our transfer agent??? tia
while i dont consider myself a cheerleader i did try to buy 300k at the very end at 0.0022....but i can't tell if it got filled...order says pending cancel, but $ balance indicates it may have been filled...anyone with level II see a buy of 300k between 3:53 and 4:00?
fair enough, IMO, as long as the PRs are true they are positive no matter where the shares are coming from.
good luck with our investment!
i agree allie, when did you become the only one responsible for finding answers....you asked enough questions to fill comfortable, i assume, so why should you call back? thanks for sharing what you did find.
Sled, your response to allie posting today's PR again was this.....
"allie, post that a few more times - it MIGHT get some more buyers for the shares being DUMPED!"
I cannot respond to two of your posts at once but I interpreted this post and the one i actually responded to to mean that you are completely negating the PR....which is about a product release. I feel like you are basically saying that the only reason they are launching PR's at all is so they can sell shares at a higher price.
So, i was simply trying to ask you if you believe in the product releases or not....nothing personal.
News and increased O/S is alwasy suspicious, i agree, but i personally do not believe it is part of a scam. I think they have just released a product with real potential and PR'd it because it is news-worthy. As for the selling of the shares, see my previous post, don't know exactly who is behind it at this time and I am not hung up on it.
so do you not believe that spooz has realease real products?....i get your selling into the news conclusion...but have you ever considered that maybe it is a necessary evil to reach profitability. maybe, the company is not a giant elaborate scam....maybe, just maybe they are on a road to success....just a longer road than they and you had hoped for.
mullimatt, a well thought out post...i thought that it was also stated that the company admitted to increasing the A/S to provide stock options to new employees and raise some cash. I took this to mean that they would be selling some shares themselves, thus increasing the O/S. Perhaps there are also some 144's being released. To be honest, I'm tired of trying to figure it out...and, as per my last post, i don't really care anymore. If the company is raising some money, i understand, b/c they are undertaking a complex product launch that they cant afford to do cheaply and they just started producing revenue. IMO, or no, as per today's PR.
the spooz.net development was the only find that really made reading this board worthwhile tonight for me. did you check that out?
Do you think the Algo Server is part of the ST Pro package that has already been released or do you think they are still developing it?
Algo Server is listed under the SpoozToolz Pro description as a feature http://www.spooz.net/SPOOZTOOLZ%20PRO.htm
....and
"SpoozToolz Enterprise products and services are currently being deployed in the Chicago Illinois financial district. For more information on availability contact the Chicago office."(also note that they call out the Chicago office, as opposed to what other office?)
Although not for certain, one could conclude that the Algo Server and other products and services listed under ST Pro are already developed and part of the package that has already been launched. If so, I would gladly have a product delayed in order to develop these ideas and include them in the initial roll-out. Remember that they aren't going for speed to market but market penetration.
Whether the company is selling shares to raise money or provide stock options to new employees or a financer is cashing out or a combination of all three really doesn't matter to me. The company isn't selling shares just to put money in their own pockets IMO. They have been working on developing a very complicated system of products that trade people's MONEY. When the o/s settles people will be buying shares if these products work, and the sp will rise again. The exciting part is that we should find out if these products work and if Spooz will be successful within at least the next 6 months....IMO.
Everyone who wasn't around the last time we had an increase in share count should go back and investigate what happened prior to the last run up to over a penny.
I realize that a larger O/S will take more buying to move this back up but once things settle this can easily jump back up IMO...especially with some more proof of progress. Last time, the O/S quit increasing and the sp shot up with no news at all.
I am not saying that dilution is a good thing. I am saying here's to hoping that history repeats itself.
so i read martingales post about omniquant and was interested in where he got his information about spooz breaking things off with omniquant. to be honest, i'm not real sure what to make of it. i never fully understood the omniquant relationship in the first place....there was a lot of confusion about this back in November...below is a post by martingale in November 2007
"So let me get this straight wildman. You are saying that
omniquant is a reseller of spooz stv2 product?? Why can they
sell the product now while we are waiting 90 days for spooz
to release stv2. It must not be the same thing or is it??
I don't understand this releationship at all.
I have quickly looked at omniquants web site and saw under
clicking on "Support" that they have a "Discussion Forum"
for users. I see that they have 3,175 articles written by
905 registered users. I signed up to see what they are up
to but don't have the access yet to read the posts. Looks
to me like we could learn quite alot if we catch up on our
reading.
My main question is why (apparently) is omniquant making
money off of spooz's products. I thought we got to offer
it first to the professional traders but it looks like they
have jumped the gun on us. What am I not understanding here??"
at the time here were some responses to his post...http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/replies.asp?msg=24336530 & http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/replies.asp?msg=24338133
this is a link to omniquants site where they mention a Spooz 2.0 or beta version 1.5 ???? This omniquant issue and martingales latest post on it still aren't clear to me.
http://omniquant.net/OQ/index.php?Spooz%201.5%20installation
OT: iw, we needed that one to get on back on track...its always nice to beat tu...especially in dominating fashion.
I'm not sure there sled dog....but I have been wondering if we will see one or not.
The PR about SpoozChartz said they were on track for the release of SpoozToolz Pro to select customers by the end of Jan. I doubt they would have said this unless it was true since that was only a week ago. However, perhaps them mentioning it then was there way of PR'ing it. Perhaps, some of the select customers have asked them not to PR it for some reason.
I don't know. I'd certainly like to see one but am not 100% certain that we will.....guess we'll have to wait until the end of the day to find out.
awesome dragon changedirector!!!!!!!!!! badasssssssss
putting you on ingore finally so i dont have to look at it anymore
a rather old but interesting open letter from TT
http://www.tradingtechnologies.com/news/041214_TTOpenLetter.pdf
from page 2..."Fast, reliable, functionality-rich, multi-exchange order-entry software is complicated and time
consuming to engineer and support. TT’s desktop software allows for multi-exchange, multiproduct
interrelation on a single screen, setting off a domino effect toward tighter, more liquid
markets. This interrelation is at least as important as any other function in the futures industry."
if you recall this PR....
"SpoozToolz to Increase Connectivity to Over Twenty Derivatives Exchanges and 110 Brokers Worldwide Via Trading Technologies' Exchange Gateways
Monday June 11, 12:25 pm ET"
and Fedfunz's response....
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=19836009
After looking at TT's product http://www.tradingtechnologies.com/xtrader-pro.aspx , it appears rather similar to what SpoozToolz Pro will offer for ironically the same price(based on fedfunz's post above). i have found it rather odd that they struck a deal with Spooz since you would think that STv2 would take business away from TT....but as Fedfunz speculated, STv2 may be superior and TT wants to make money off of the volume of trades that Spooz will generate.
I never called TT to confirm the relationship, but the fact that Fedfunz was so excited about it that he took a job at Spooz speaks very loud to its validity IMO.
In any case, TT is a powerhouse in the futures industry. Any additional signs that Spooz is still allowed to play with them, and I will take it as great news.
make that 9, have accumulated over a 1.5-yr time period, from 0.04 to 0.0018...I have not sold a single share yet. I'd like to not have to pay short term gains when i finally duck out my investement here.
does anybody here know who spooz is trying to steal costumers from with the retail roll-out of SpoozChartz?
I found this site which lists some charting software out there and a quick comparison of features and pricing...
http://www.freeforexcharts.com/ViewPremiumCharts.do?page=1
i'm not exactly sure how big the charting software market is, but this gave me a little better idea.
i completely agree that the last two PR's have no reason to create a buying frenzy. we need news of revenues. we need news that indicates that the products will produce customers.
but, the recent news is evidence that a plan is actually being executed. we've all risked money that they have a product that people will want. in the next 6 months, we should find out, imo. getting to this point has not been has not been easy or quick, but at least we are where we are...
IW, what does the EasyLanguage feature allow you to do? Care to share one of your ideas with us, as an example?
does anyone think it would have been smart of paul to at least have mentioned that some of these new employees would be payed with stock options in this latest PR?...just curious.
Justin Braun, Technical Support Engineer
http://www.justinbraun.com/2007/12/default.aspx
spoozchartz demo.....if you haven't already checked it out, you can see a demo of what was released today, spoozchartz. just click on the demo link in the page below...and then spoozchartz is the second session of the demo
http://www.spooztoolz.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=ACP1
trader, i think he was just saying 700 MM additional...that is all....not sure but you may have read his post wrong.
paul actually did allude to what has happened today in some of his email responses when he was answering questions via email. i dont have time to go back and dig it up, but trader, i think you did make note of it at the time. i was concerned about it but i'll admitt, i overlooked it...or perhaps allowed myself to forget about it do to optimism.
my point in mentioning this is that if you were following closely enough, i think paul dropped some hints that this may be coming. while the timing seems bad to me, i generally think they are getting the ball rolling finally, and still believe that paul and company know what they are doing...so i'll trust the timing.
the comment from birdito about paul saying they have hired new people does align with a recent post saying that someone had visited the office and seen a room full of IT people being trained.
it is quite interesting that if this hadn't been discovered today we probably would have seen a little buying pressure with a news release this afternoon about spoozchartz...if we get one....instead, we gotten a bunch of morning selling.
did not sell any so far, as i still have hope in a long term sp appreciation...if not to 0.05 at least higher than current once things are allowed to play out further.
got you, thanks....that was effective 1/18/08, any comments on the impact of this? cant say i understand exactly what this "stock split" means for us...
binks, that is not clear to me from the link you provided...what data are you looking at?
binks, and IF there is no news i'm sure you and trader will be here wasting your time complaining.
why is it again that you spend so much time spewing negativity on this stock? are you venting? are you trying to warn others? i cant understand why if you owned this stock you would do what you do...unless you always continuously degrade your investment choices. i have had a difficult time understanding what possesses you and trader to spend so much time repeating negative opinions on this forum....feel free to enlighten me of your goal.
again, your timeframe and expectations are set differently than many here which creates completely different outlooks...that is if you are really invested here.
milo, i agree with most you've said but why are we talking about not wanting spooz to release sensitive info?
from what i've gathered, a launch is still expected in January, and if that happens, IMO, a PR is VERY LIKELY by the end of January. do you have reason to believe otherwise?...or are you just speculating and trying to keep expectations in check?
hmmm, i see....let us know if you get ahold of them tomorrow MC.
I like slide 11 which says...First Customer -- October 2007....makes you wonder what has really been going on with the product testing in the last few months.
boca, i have to agree with you. i can't see it costing more than spooztoolz on a monthly basis..
is spoozchartz going to sell for a one-time fee of $98 or is it a monthly fee?...i have been thinking of it as a one-time fee but just want to be sure.
with natinal futures association approval coming yesterday, it is possible we could see some sort of news on 141 next week. we shall see.
nice find no shorts, you were on top of that one!
tek, you still invested here?
silly thought
i was thinking back to engineering class days and was thinking about how we used to use excel to do all of our assignments. the methodology of teaching most things is to learn the theory and fundamentals and then move on to the more complex stuff. in engineering they teach all of the long, detailed equations and then make you take tests that force you to derive theories. then after you pass, they tell you that there is software out there that does all the advanced analysis for you...but that you should feel good b/c now at least you understand what is going onside these "black boxes".
it seems like spooztoolz would in itself be a great teaching tool for people who are learning algortithmic trading techniques. it would allow you to start from the basics, learn and test basic trading algorithmic strategies and then combine such techniques into more and more complex formulas. All the while, you could build things the way you want them and in ways that make the most sense to you.
i don't recall anyone ever studying algorithmic trading in school. perhaps people take it after school as they train to work at a professional trading firm??? but anyway, it seems like if these courses exist anywhere, they could use spooztoolz or something like it as a teaching tool.
i dont think that will lead to huge revenue for us....it was just a silly idea that popped into my head....back to watching Rob & Big...these guys crack me up.
CMF
I am no chartist.
However, I did get curious about what the CMF meant today as I noticed it was looking strong. What does that mean? This is what the www had to say.
The Chaikin Money Flow oscillator generates bullish signals by indicating that a security is under accumulation. There are three factors that determine if a security is under accumulation. They also determine the strength of the accumulation.
http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:technical_indicators:chaikin_money_flow
The first and most obvious factor is whether the Chaikin Money Flow value is greater than zero? It is an indication of buying pressure and accumulation when the indicator is positive.
The second factor is the duration of the reading, how long the oscillator has been positive. The longer the oscillator remains above zero, the more evidence there is that the security is under sustained accumulation. Extended periods of accumulation or buying pressure are bullish, and they indicate that sentiment towards the security remains positive.
The third factor is the intensity of the oscillator. Not only should the oscillator remain above zero, but it should also be able to increase and attain a certain level. The more positive the reading is, the more evidence of buying pressure and accumulation. This is usually a judgment call, based on prior levels for the oscillator, but a move above .10 would be significant enough to warrant a bullish signal. A reading above .25 would be an indication of strong buying
lol, i love it, i've read that slogan in mirrors a thousand times and never thought to find a way to fix it and make money off it...the best ideas are always right under your nose
nice comparison...biganc....just out of curiousity, what are the two products or at least what industry are they in?
he said, she said, paul told me this, darryl said that...its all getting a little out of hand. i will just wait for a PR before making any judgements about who is "right" and who is not.
trader, i understand why you might feel dissapointed yet still hopeful for overall success as your last reply to me suggested. i get that.
however, i still don't understand how trying to prove you are "right" about details that only insiders really know...or complaining about progress on a daily basis helps your situation.
nice to see you still around annie.
i was thinking about the 10 block idea and i'm not sure why they would put a limit on the roll out that was literally just 10 blocks. maybe IW was told that for simplicity??? i dont see why they wouldn't release it to anyone who met certain qualifications in the general area around them. if the issue was something like being close enough so that spooz could send IT people over to help in person, spooz IT people could certainly go farther than 10 blocks as long as it was relatively close. i'm hoping a PR will clarify exactly what the "green zone" means.
trader, and yet you dont sell and move on....you are ridiculous. "you can wait another 18 months. I guess that is what I will do and what I have to do because I don't see a real payday anytime sooner and that is a bit disappointing." why?
from your comment, you are looking for a quick flip, the company didn't give it to you b/c they aren't moving at the pace you demand, just move on and find another flip! you can always follow this one and jump back in....right?
you dont see eye-to-eye with many here b/c most here are invested in this company and are willing to trust the company and trust that the company is doing what is best for us in the long run. you obviously dont have trust in the company and that is why i'm confused that you are still around...
why are you still invested here?