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Whoaaa! U should be the CEO here. You seem to have all the answers. Why not contact Jim and tell him how this all should be run. No doubt he would love you input.
Beginning to think I may have made a mistake here. Appears to be really unstable and no corperate support in sight.
For doubters,
Valuation not always about making money
Q: Are unprofitable companies worthless?
Matt Krantz
mkrantz@usatoday.com USA TODAY
A: Companies are in the business of making money for shareholders. But if a company isn’t making money, it can still have value. The tough part is figuring out how much.
When a company makes money, measures like the P-E ratio can gauge how expensive the stock is. Sizing up shares of a company that doesn’t have earnings is harder.
The first matter to consider is how investors determine profitability. Generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, include all the expenses a company faces, including some that are noncash, such as estimates of wear and tear on equipment.
GAAP is valid, but some adjustments can be useful when looking at the fundamental profitability of a company’s core business. Electric car maker Tesla, for instance, lost $2.26 a share last year based on GAAP. But taking out one-time and certain non-cash charges, the company actually made 14 cents a share.
The other factor to consider is that just because a company loses money now, that could change. Tesla is expected to lose money on an adjusted basis and by GAAP this year, but to turn a profit by both measures in 2016.
Tesla could be overvalued, but it’s hard to say it’s worthless.
Thanks! We didn't know that.m
Please only speak for yourself. I have no complaints.
I am well aware of that. However it just seemed likeInwas tye only one buying today at ask. Holding the price up. Getting a smart ass remark does not go over well with me.
Would you like to sell out and get the hell out of
the way?
Come on people! I can't hold this thing up by myself. I need some support here!
Well I think that says it all. Stop crying if you don'tbhavebanything in the oven.
That's nice. Just who invited you to the party, and how many shares do you have, if any?
Ur welcome. Back where we should be. Actually should be higher but best I can do right now.
Suggest this company get their act together pronto. A 16 year old here in Florida has dveloped an instant test for ebola, even in it's earliest stage. Granted it is only one disease but it can spell trouble for us.
Read recent PR again. Connect the dots.
Who's guessing?
The cell is real. The problem according o JN is that they can't find a manufacturer that wants to make it. I believe that Jim has now hired someone that will be dedicated to finding a manufacturer. The problem as I see it is that everyone is way behind on filling orders and can sell everything they can produce. Bird in the hand type of thing. Why should we stop production and start up your cell when we can sell everything as fast as we make it.
That will eventually change for some company and that may be our chance.
I have little patience for cry babies. If you are truly unhappy GET OUT. Sell be done with it and stop irritated the rest of us that have the patience to hang in.
And here we go again. After quarter blues, pre ER moaning. Kill the horse before you know it's might already be dead. Can't wait for news gotta bitch about things we don't know before we actually know anything.
This same senecio happens every end of quarter. Why dosen't everybody just cool their jets until we get the ER? If it's bad then bitch, but why keep complaning about something you don't know about yet. Total waste of energy!
Hello there all.
On board now. Hope you all liked my buy in at opening. Nice way to start the week and the day. Ready to ride this to a PPS much closer to what it should be. Very under valued. LED is the future. GLTA
Maybe a little better luck here after the shareholder meeting.
JN is looking for investors. He goes where the big conventions are to get the story out. In this country it doesn't matter where the convention is being held, although most are held in places that will attract people to attend. Consider them as big parties with some business thrown in.
I think you might be a little premature in saying this went bad. Until Q3 ER comes out we know nothing. The entire market is in bear mode, until that changes you can't make any decisions. Bear market is absolutely the worse time to be selling anything. This is when you keep still and and do nothing. Just wait. When tye bulls come back everybody recovers.
Pride gothet before?
Your idea of using Sunworks as a expansion vehicle is a good one. However, the problem I see with doing that is that they do not have a local presence all across CA. Sure they can expand into all these new markets that the aquisition already have a high profile in, but then they would be head to head with a local known company, trying to prove they are better than any company already established in tge area. A high profile for failure. We are better of long run picking up known entity and acquiring them . Lot less grief all the way around.
People! Just hang in there. Take advantage of the end of quarter sell off. BUY! You have people taking profit for end of quarter. They may be selling low to cover capital gains ( using this stock to record capital loss) or just have no idea as to what they are doing! They may have had EOM triggers that are now kicking in. Whatever it is suck it up and buy whatever you can before 10/01 trading begins.
I am convinced that by 10/16 everything will reverse course here big time. Why?
I believe that we will show a profit for the first time. Maybe not much, but still a profit. Projecting what is to come.
End of quarter sell off right now IMO. THURSDAY MAY SEE A TURN AROUND. NEW Q AND ALL.
Sorry, cap lock.
Yep, the market goes UP, we go DOWN!
As far as I know JN writes the PR's. He doesn't need the PR companies help n releasing them. And oh by tye way, tye PR company is under retainer. That means they get paid no matter what.
Some people are financial wise. Some are otherwise.
Forgive me Ben.
Here, here!
Excuse me. Electronic PR's cost almost nothing. Where did that come from?
I rely on jose's post. Quite frankly, as most people know, anything posted on ST is suspect. If you choose to get sucked into that quagmire that is your problem. Most of the super longs here have ignored or discounted almost all posting from that site. They are immediately suspect as to their legitimacy, and or veracity. And so far history is on our side when it comes to that. That is a huge cesspool of opinion none of which tends to be accurate. Nothing more or less. You say you came here to learn. Then do so. Enjoy.
Went back and did some review. Turns out you told me that this umar is the one in touch with the purchaser. Supposedly he can check with her about the agenda on a weekly basis. She apparently told him that it would most certainly be on the agenda before 10/8. We know that didn't happen so must question umars pix of a not yet existing agenda. Need not remind everyone that he doesn't have a record of being correct.
So as before. Until I see it for myself, on the agenda for 10/8, I will continue to believe that this deal is DOA. And I would also like to point out that in goverment, the right hand rarely knows what the left hand is doing. Not to mention other body parts are doing. Contractor inside knowledge not withstanding.
Maybe it was alex then. As far as a picture goes showing were on for oct 8 th, i would like to know where he got it from, because there is nothing on the Fresno website showing that. Only the sept 24th is showing.
For what its worth, I'm a vet, and I got my ass shot at back n the good ole vietnam war days. No I wasn't in Nam, I was in Pakistan. I think I earned the right to say what I want.
Have heard that before. Number one ST is just that a bunch of twits that have no business on the internet let alone investing. Number two the front desk will tell you anything and not know a damn thing. Jose talks to the woman who puts the agenda together and publishes it. At this time Jose has not said that she knows anything about 10/08 agenda.
Typically the agenda for a future meeting is not considered until the current planned meeting has occured. That has not happened as of yet.
BTW. The Fresno front desk is really sick and tired of SLTD investers calling them. JN isn't to happy about it either. And a idiot on ST is probably one of the reasons this project has so far tanked. Seems he to assumed that he knew what was going on, and started out passing congrats to everyone on a done deal. Many moons ago.
Until that lady in Fresno tells us it is on the agenda it isn't there.
Now! I am done with this Fresno crap. I am much more concerned with reality.
Ack! Very interesting in regards to 10/08 agenda. Just how are you privy to this information as the agenda for that meeting has yet to be published? And as far as anybody knows the person who posts the agenda isn't aware of this either. Just curious.
Osiyo! Good to hear from u. Had about decided you got lost on Denali. And thank you my friend. Tanakia
Oh yeah. Forgot to address walking away.
Sometimes the smartest move you can make is walking away while you still have all your parts. Only the extremely foolish continue to pursue those with the power to cut your most precious assets off. Fighting barehanded with someone holding a gun on you is just not vey smart. My point here is that someone on the fresno city council is holding a loaded gun. Who it is pointed at is the question. We are simply bystanders.
And what did Eisenhower tell the people of the United States in his last speach?
Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040
My fellow Americans:
Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.
This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.
Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.
Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.
My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.
In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.
II.
We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.
III.
Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.
Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.
Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.
The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.
IV.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
V.
Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
VI.
Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.
Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.
Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.
VII.
So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.
You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.
To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:
We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.
DO NOT TRUST THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX TO HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND,
Your involvement in that realm tells me all I need to know about your expertise in government contracting. You have no real experance in the real world goverment, only within the closed, privy world of defense contracters, which are as crooked as the goverment.
Please do not tell me what to do with my fingers! Everyone of them has a signifigance of it's own. The middle one in particular!
My wife and I have spent more than twenty years dealing with goverment. You may think it is crazy talk but sometimes a 10 million carrot isn't worth it when dealing with a goverment enity. When you have as much experiance as we do in dealing with goverment I will listen to you. In the mean time you have a lot to learn. We are already out of the game my friend, problem is you and others don't see that yet. I have no doubt JN sees it and will be happy when it is all over.
But just in case.
The Devil went down to Fresno. He was lookin' for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind 'cause he was way behind. He was willing to make a deal
When he came across this old man sawin' on a fiddle and playin' it hot.
And the Devil jumped upon a hickory stump and said "Ole man let me tell you what."
"I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
And if you'd care to take a dare I'll make a bet with you.
Now you play a pretty good fiddle, old man, but give the Devil his due.
I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul 'cause I think I'm better than you and Fresno to."
This time round the devil was on the city council. And to give him his due, he just out fiddled that ole man and you and then turned him Into his tool.
Say goodbye. The dual is almost over. Come 10/08 I for one will say game over. To late.
Sorry wife started asking me questions so needed to come back and fix this.
No extension will be as ask for. If one is asked for I for one would hope we walk away saying nay.