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Here is the full Consumer Reports article. I have highlighted in bold red the omitted sentence.
Watch out for fake diabetes treatments
Published: July 31, 2013 08:00 AM
If you see products on store shelves that claim to treat, cure, or prevent diabetes and its complications, the Food and Drug Administration wants to you to beware: it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
What can you do? Watch out for the following product types and their treatment claims:
• “Natural” supplements. We’ve warned consumers in the past about the dangers of supplements. Some drugs labeled as “natural” were found to contain pharmaceutical ingredients that may actually harm rather than help.
• Dietary supplements. These supplements claim to treat and even prevent diabetes. These products are not FDA approved and therefore cannot make such a claim.
• Online pharmacy drugs. Online suppliers are selling prescription drugs to people without a prescription. Unapproved versions of diabetes drugs are found on these pharmacy websites.
• Unapproved OTC medications. These drugs claim to relieve symptoms associated with diabetes, but are not approved by the FDA.
Besides potential harm from the various treatments, there is concern that using these products will prevent people from seeking medical treatment and FDA-approved drugs.
Here are three generic, low-cost options that our CR Best Buy Drug experts recommend you discuss with your doctor:
• Metformin and Metformin Sustained Release (alone or with glipizide or glimepiride)
• Glipizide and Glipizide Sustained release (alone or with metformin
• Glimepiride (alone or with metformin)
In addition to taking medicine, it’s important to closely monitor your blood sugar. In our tests of blood glucose meters, the Accu-Chek Aviva and the FreeStyle Freedom Lite were two that came out on top. Results from blood glucose meters can help patients make adjustments to diet, exercise, and treatment plans. Close monitoring can help to lower the risk of diabetes-related issues, such as kidney disease and seizures.
Although there are no reported injuries yet, according to the FDA, the agency urged people who have experienced any side effects to report them through an online form.
— Ciara Rafferty
Here is the full Consumer Reports article. I have highlighted in bold red the omitted sentence.
Watch out for fake diabetes treatments
Published: July 31, 2013 08:00 AM
If you see products on store shelves that claim to treat, cure, or prevent diabetes and its complications, the Food and Drug Administration wants to you to beware: it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
What can you do? Watch out for the following product types and their treatment claims:
• “Natural” supplements. We’ve warned consumers in the past about the dangers of supplements. Some drugs labeled as “natural” were found to contain pharmaceutical ingredients that may actually harm rather than help.
• Dietary supplements. These supplements claim to treat and even prevent diabetes. These products are not FDA approved and therefore cannot make such a claim.
• Online pharmacy drugs. Online suppliers are selling prescription drugs to people without a prescription. Unapproved versions of diabetes drugs are found on these pharmacy websites.
• Unapproved OTC medications. These drugs claim to relieve symptoms associated with diabetes, but are not approved by the FDA.
Besides potential harm from the various treatments, there is concern that using these products will prevent people from seeking medical treatment and FDA-approved drugs.
Here are three generic, low-cost options that our CR Best Buy Drug experts recommend you discuss with your doctor:
• Metformin and Metformin Sustained Release (alone or with glipizide or glimepiride)
• Glipizide and Glipizide Sustained release (alone or with metformin
• Glimepiride (alone or with metformin)
In addition to taking medicine, it’s important to closely monitor your blood sugar. In our tests of blood glucose meters, the Accu-Chek Aviva and the FreeStyle Freedom Lite were two that came out on top. Results from blood glucose meters can help patients make adjustments to diet, exercise, and treatment plans. Close monitoring can help to lower the risk of diabetes-related issues, such as kidney disease and seizures.
Although there are no reported injuries yet, according to the FDA, the agency urged people who have experienced any side effects to report them through an online form.
— Ciara Rafferty
This sentence, located in the middle of the CR article, was omitted:
it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
Always consider the source of information in all posts.
No poster has been attacked, but only posts have been attacked.
it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
Is this an important sentence?
If it was omitted from an article and posted online, what would one think of the post?
And to compound a bad situation the CR article is reposted over and over, each time with the omitted sentence. Why?
it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
Omitting a key sentence is indefensible....(ie, it cannot be defended)
it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
So why not post the ENTIRE article? What other reason can there be but to deceive?
Over and over the key following sentence is omitted:
it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
I did not MISREAD the article, but I did read the FULL article, and the omitted sentence is very important.
it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
Nobody believes that this is verbatim....NOBODY!....not even you.
Just like Trump winning the popular vote and having a larger innauguration crowd than Obama....nobody believes it.
The CR modification deception is in plain view for all to see.
The omitted sentence is as follows:
it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
I think most readers would consider this to be an important sentence.
I think most readers would not think this to be a trivial sentence.
You say "exact excerpt". The definition of "exact" from Merriam Webster says "Strictly and completely in accordance with fact; not deviating from truth or reality".
Well, according to Mr. Webster, modifyiong a CR article as you have done is not an "exact excerpt" as you claim, unless you want to call Mr. Merriam Webster a scam and a fraud.
FACT: The Consumer Reports article was modified to falsely implicate Roth and Sucanon.
This modification could not have occured by accident. Should we all really believe the a key sentence in the middle was 'accidentally' removed and a colon (:) was 'accidentally' changed to a period (.)?
Here is the full Consumer Reports article. I have highlighted in bold red the omitted sentence.
Watch out for fake diabetes treatments
Published: July 31, 2013 08:00 AM
If you see products on store shelves that claim to treat, cure, or prevent diabetes and its complications, the Food and Drug Administration wants to you to beware: it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
What can you do? Watch out for the following product types and their treatment claims:
• “Natural” supplements. We’ve warned consumers in the past about the dangers of supplements. Some drugs labeled as “natural” were found to contain pharmaceutical ingredients that may actually harm rather than help.
• Dietary supplements. These supplements claim to treat and even prevent diabetes. These products are not FDA approved and therefore cannot make such a claim.
• Online pharmacy drugs. Online suppliers are selling prescription drugs to people without a prescription. Unapproved versions of diabetes drugs are found on these pharmacy websites.
• Unapproved OTC medications. These drugs claim to relieve symptoms associated with diabetes, but are not approved by the FDA.
Besides potential harm from the various treatments, there is concern that using these products will prevent people from seeking medical treatment and FDA-approved drugs.
Here are three generic, low-cost options that our CR Best Buy Drug experts recommend you discuss with your doctor:
• Metformin and Metformin Sustained Release (alone or with glipizide or glimepiride)
• Glipizide and Glipizide Sustained release (alone or with metformin
• Glimepiride (alone or with metformin)
In addition to taking medicine, it’s important to closely monitor your blood sugar. In our tests of blood glucose meters, the Accu-Chek Aviva and the FreeStyle Freedom Lite were two that came out on top. Results from blood glucose meters can help patients make adjustments to diet, exercise, and treatment plans. Close monitoring can help to lower the risk of diabetes-related issues, such as kidney disease and seizures.
Although there are no reported injuries yet, according to the FDA, the agency urged people who have experienced any side effects to report them through an online form.
— Ciara Rafferty
FACT: The Consumer Reports article was modified to falsely implicate Roth and Sucanon.
Explanations never provided. Credibility is zero.
FACT: The Consumer Reports article was modified to falsely implicate Roth and Sucanon.
Exactly, sweetlou! The modification to remove the key sentence clearly is misleading. Why would it be necessary to modify a Consumer Report article? Why is the complete truth not good enough?
Here is the full Consumer Reports article. I have highlighted in bold red the omitted sentence.
Watch out for fake diabetes treatments
Published: July 31, 2013 08:00 AM
If you see products on store shelves that claim to treat, cure, or prevent diabetes and its complications, the Food and Drug Administration wants to you to beware: it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream.
What can you do? Watch out for the following product types and their treatment claims:
• “Natural” supplements. We’ve warned consumers in the past about the dangers of supplements. Some drugs labeled as “natural” were found to contain pharmaceutical ingredients that may actually harm rather than help.
• Dietary supplements. These supplements claim to treat and even prevent diabetes. These products are not FDA approved and therefore cannot make such a claim.
• Online pharmacy drugs. Online suppliers are selling prescription drugs to people without a prescription. Unapproved versions of diabetes drugs are found on these pharmacy websites.
• Unapproved OTC medications. These drugs claim to relieve symptoms associated with diabetes, but are not approved by the FDA.
Besides potential harm from the various treatments, there is concern that using these products will prevent people from seeking medical treatment and FDA-approved drugs.
Here are three generic, low-cost options that our CR Best Buy Drug experts recommend you discuss with your doctor:
• Metformin and Metformin Sustained Release (alone or with glipizide or glimepiride)
• Glipizide and Glipizide Sustained release (alone or with metformin
• Glimepiride (alone or with metformin)
In addition to taking medicine, it’s important to closely monitor your blood sugar. In our tests of blood glucose meters, the Accu-Chek Aviva and the FreeStyle Freedom Lite were two that came out on top. Results from blood glucose meters can help patients make adjustments to diet, exercise, and treatment plans. Close monitoring can help to lower the risk of diabetes-related issues, such as kidney disease and seizures.
Although there are no reported injuries yet, according to the FDA, the agency urged people who have experienced any side effects to report them through an online form.
— Ciara Rafferty
This is a repeat of the infamous post #4477 where a Consumer Reports article s modified to remove the offending companies and products. Roth and Sucanon are not on the offending list.
Here is the complete Consumer Reports article:
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/07/diabetes-treatment-alternatives/index.htm
Here is the deleted sentence:
"it warned 15 companies last week about the illegal marketing of certain diabetes products, including Glucocil, Glytain, ProBeta’s Gynmena Sylvestre, and Zostrix Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief Cream."
Note that the period (.) just after the word "beware" has mysteriously changed from a colon(:) to make it appear to be the end of a sentence. A colon (:) implies there is more to come.
This modification is misleading, unethical and intentional. It is hard to fathom that this omission was done accidentally via 'fat finger' or other wise. Note that even after this has been pointed out dozens of times the misleading omission continues to be reposted.
Give me break!
FDA says Sucanon is a drug, but you say no.
Sucanon has active ingredients, but you say no.
Sucanon works, but you say no.
Sucanon is approved in Mexico and Canada, but you cry health scam.
The list of course goes on and on.
This is hardly supporting evidence. This post is repeated over and over and is incorrect every time. No amount of repitition is going to change the facts.
Every item in this shopping list has been addressed by sweetlou and me, but never is any of our input incorporated.
You claim "internet, financial and health fraud" but no supporting evidence is provided.
Just saying the word 'denied' is meaningless. Please read my earlier post for the full details.
Again, 100% incorrect post.
Application for over-the-counter sales was denied because the FDA determined Sucanon is a drug.
FDA never said Roth or Sucanon was a scam or a fraud.
There is no hiding going on. The FDA invited Roth to apply for approval as a drug. This is Roth's option and not a requirement. Roth instead is focusing on other countries such as Canada and Mexico where there is already approval and where the FDA has no jurisdiction. Soon India will aprove too.
Your post is 100% incorrect.
First, the financials are not disasrous. They have been consistent for at least 4 years. The word "distrous" is relative.
Second, stock price is low but has been lower.
Third, the study was double blind placebo per sweetou whi is a medical doctor. He has credibility.
Fourth, the bills are being paid.
Just for starters, consider the following 3 statements in your post:
Sales for Mexico are down almost 90% --FACT
There are no LABS --FACT
There is no PHARMA --FACT
All 3 statements have been shown to be false
Again, this is just a partial story. Live full, not part!
Nobody wants just some of the story. Everyone wants the full story. As the commercial says "live full, not part".
The FDA did not approve Roth's application to sell over-the-counter BECAUSE Sucanon is a drug. The word "denied" is not the best word choice here bcause it implies everything about Sucanon is not good, but in fact Sucanon itself was not denied. Only an application was denied.
So there you have it! Live full, not part.
Consider the following 3 statements in your recent post:
Sales for Mexico are down almost 90% --FACT
There are no LABS --FACT
There is no PHARMA --FACT
All 3 statements have been shown to be false, but yet the post is never corrected and is repeated over and over.
Where are the SEC and FINRA letters? We all want to see.
Please share with your fellow posters.
You miss the boat one more time. FDA did not approve an application for over-the-counter sales because its a drug.
No other application is required by Roth. The FDA invited Roth to apply for approval as a drug. This process is time consuming and expensive, so Roth made a busienss decision to sell and market in Mexico, Canada and India where the FDA does not have jurisdiction.
Sucanon is approved in Mexico and Canada with ongoing sales in Mexico. Hopefully soon India will approve and sales will be through Canagen.
You miss the boat again. FDA did not approve an application for over-the-counter sales because its a drug.
No other application is required by Roth.
Yes, I believe so. Feels like its time for another 100:1 RS
As for the letters to the SEC and FINRA, there is a claim that letters were written to these organizations claiming scam, fraud, etc.
If these letter in fact exist then why not show them here for the benefit of all board readers? If Roth and Sucanon are scams and frauds, then here is the chance to make the case. I am all eyes and ears. Give it your best shot.
Kyle, the devil is in the details as they say. The FDA did not approve Roth's application to sell over-the-counter BECAUSE Sucanon is a drug. The word "denied" is not the best word choice here bcause it implies everything about Sucanon is not good, but in fact Sucanon itself was not denied. Only an application was denied.
So there you have it - the devil and the details!
You are incorrect. The FDA did not deny Sucanon. The FDA says its a drug.
Sorry, but your post holds about as much water as a 60 mesh strainer. First, Sucanoon is not banned. Second, the FDA never called Sucanon a health fraud. Third, trichosanthes root is not a problem as Metformin for example is based on the lilac plant and many drugs are based on plants. Fourth, Sucanon has been proven to work and is approved in Mexico and Canada.
Still waiting to see what was sent to SEC and FINRA if in fact anything was sent.
The 120 sq m office size is correct. This translates to about 1,290 sq ft, an area of about 36 ft x 36 ft. This is actually a very large office. Since Roth has been using this office for at least several years, how long must they stay there before its no longer called temporary??
As for the other claims, they are mostly false and/or misleading.
Some time ago you posted that you wrote letters to the SEC and FINRA, but you never shared the substance with this message board. We would all love to see exactly what these letter say and exactly what the claims are.
Please share information with everyone.
Thank You!
Consider the following 3 statements in a recent post:
Sales for Mexico are down almost 90% --FACT
There are no LABS --FACT
There is no PHARMA --FACT
All 3 statements have been shown to be false
A post like #9523 with provably false and misleading information makes one wonder about the veracity of the other statements. Here are three statements that most obviously misleading or outright false:
Sales for Mexico are down almost 90% (false and misleading)
Here is post #9438 in response to #9437:
You state that "Sales are down around 90% in Mexico (last quarter, another losing quarter they did a whopping 20k in sales!)"
Instead of just a snippit of information, lets take a look at the entire picture.
Sales (total revenue)
Annual (period ending)
6/30/16.....263k
6/30/15......86k
6/30/14.....529k
6/30/13.....153k
Quarterly (period ending)
3/31/17......21k
12/31/16....124k
9/30/16......36k
6/31/16......25k
3/31/16......77k
12/31/15.....70k
Looking closely at the data, one can see that yes, there was a large decline from the 12/31/16 quarter (124k) to the 3/31/17 quarter (21k). This is an 83% decline from the previous quarter. I presume this is supposed to be the 90% decline figure, but its not quite correct. Looking closer at the quarterly sales, one can see that the 124k is very large compared to the other quarterly sales, so the decline looks worse than it really is. Maybe a better measure is to average the 124k and the 21k? The average is 72.5k.
For fiscal year 2017, 2 quarters are reported with sales of 21k and 124k for a total of 145k. Assuming the same sales pace for the 2nd half of 2017, this would result in 290k sales for FY 2017.
Compare the 290k projection for 2017 with the previous 4 years:
2016 - 263k
2015 - 86k
2014 - 529k
2013 - 153k
The previous post would have you believe that sales are tanking when in fact they are holding pretty steady. The devil is in the details, so I encourage everyone to look closely at the details and to always consider the source of the posted information.
All data above is easily available on OTC Markets.
There are no LABS (false)
Labs to pill and package are contracted out.
There is no PHARMA (false)
Production, selling and marketing of drugs is pharma by definition.
So, if these 3 points are so easily debunked, then so the others are most likely bunk too.