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Greg, I use to buy inexpensive new and used guns, however today I've realized that I only enjoy cleaning, shooting and owning well made guns. Hence I've sold my many guns to buy the few great guns. (that also allows me to tell my wife I traded-in 2 or 3 guns for the new ones I bring home)..old trick B-)
Makes sense when you figure how much money you spend in the long run on the cheapies, plus you should only shoot a few guns because every gun shoots different and it's better to feel comfortable with a very few guns, than think you know the feel of many guns.
Greg, if you're looking at a 1911 this is the way to go, expensive but the way to go...B-)
Yonkers, New York, May 4, 2004 – When LAPD™ SWAT needed new duty pistols, they tested several major brands and selected a Kimber® 1911 .45 ACP. The Custom TLE II™, identical to the Team’s duty pistol in every way other than markings, quickly became one of Kimber’s most popular models. Responding to customer demand, Kimber is now offering a stainless steel version with all the same features.
The new Stainless TLE II™ (Tactical Law Enforcement) is a full-size 1911 .45 ACP with slide and frame machined from stainless steel. Small parts such as the thumb safety, grip safety and match grade barrel bushing are also stainless steel. Like all Kimber pistols, the Stainless TLE II has a match grade barrel and trigger group in addition to a chamber cut with a match grade reamer.
The Stainless TLE II incorporates Kimber’s new Tactical Extractor for flawless feeding and extraction. Additionally, it serves as both a sensory and visual loaded chamber indicator. A Loaded Chamber Indicator Port is also machined into the top of the barrel and the pistol includes Kimber’s Series II safety system which does not alter trigger pull or operation in any way.
Meprolight® Tritium three dot (green) night sights, 30 lines-per-inch front strap checkering from the Kimber Custom Shop are standard features. Retail price is $1,052.
The Stainless TLE/RL II™, an identical pistol with an integral tactical rail, is also available. Retail price for the Stainless TLE/RL II is $1,167.
Looks like we need to start banning rope.
Suicidal Youths Turn to Hanging Instead of Guns
A new report finds that suicidal young people are less likely to use firearms to take their own lives, but the survey finds little comfort in the trend because they are turning to more readily available methods.
In the last decade, suffocation -- notably hanging -- has overtaken firearms as the most common way for adolescents to kill themselves, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports.
http://drkoop.com/template.asp?page=newsdetail&ap=93&id=1504295
And Moore produces a film of a American Fahrenheit 9/11 and recieves a 30 minute standing ovation while in France last month, the hypocrisy is beyond painful.
Bardot Convicted of Inciting Racial Hatred
Jun 10, 11:26 AM EST
The Associated Press
PARIS -- A Paris court on Thursday convicted former film starlet Brigitte Bardot of inciting racial hatred for portraying Muslims in a negative light in a book, comparing them, as the court said, to "invaders, cruel and barbaric."
Bardot and her publishing house, Editions du Rocher, were fined $6,050 each. She had risked a year in jail.
Bardot, 69, a 1960s sex kitten who became an ardent animal rights campaigner, was not present for the verdict.
At a hearing in May, she told the court that she never meant to harm anyone with her book, "Un cri dans le silence" (A Cry in the Silence), published last year.
"I never knowingly wanted to hurt anybody. It is not in my character. If I did hurt someone, I'm sorry," Bardot said in May.
In her book, Bardot denounced the "infiltration" of France by Islamic extremists and criticized the ritual slaughter of sheep during Muslim religious ceremonies. She also described what she called the "Islamization of France."
Bardot had previously been found guilty on similar charges.
The court found that the actress had presented Muslims as "invaders, barbaric and cruel, responsible for terrorist acts, wishing to subdue the French people to the point of extermination."
This could lead the reader to "reject members of the Muslim community through hate and violence," the court concluded in its ruling.
The fine is to be paid to two anti-racism groups who had filed the complaint.
During her May trial, Bardot said that her book — which topped France's nonfiction best-seller list last year — was but a simple critique of the religious practices of Muslims and a denunciation of those terrorist attacks committed by Islamists.
"Among Muslims, I think there are some who are very good and some hoodlums, like everywhere," she said at the time.
http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=160827
Reminds me of the liberals new policy of open discussion at today’s colleges and universities. Seems today’s liberals shout over anyone with opinions which differ from theirs.
They do the same thing here by agreeing to endorsed each other’s post, they say they are "ignoring you” and tell others to do the same, while they post at you and about you. Then they run to Matt to “tell” when you respond in kind.
And to think, this thread was completely dead until I had the gall to show up a few months back with my dissimilar opinions.
Liberals idea of "free speech" as long as it's theirs. No wonder they were so fond of Saddam.
They daily use words to debate politics with specific legal meanings such as "liar, stole and awol" then they cry foul when you suggest they are full of the subjective word “hate".
Incredible, LOL
AK, maybe it's I'm self-confident and comfortable enough with myself that I can argue my opinions against an entire thread of radical liberals on my own? I think it highlights the fact that I feel no need to "fit in" here with people I disagree with.
I believe it means I can stand alone with my opinion without the need to be affirmed or endorsed by other posters, like the vast majority of radicals here.
The reason I fight alone is simple. Have you not noticed that the few conservative posters who occasionally show up here, quickly grow weary of people who make daily arguments based on "news" they read at "IHATEbUSH.com" sites and leave?
AK, what is your point? I’m “a truthful and candid writer of my thoughts and feeling”? AK, I don't like ignoring or banning ANYONE from a thread or discussion. Freedom of thought and expression are paramount to this republican. This is the reason I spend my time here instead of those “liberal-free” threads where most posters from this thread are banned.
This is actually the only political thread I frequent. If you check my IHUB history I’ve been here from the beginning yet I come and go often, sometimes for months, other times for years. I can, and do, take this place or leave it. I’m not overpowered and obsessed with passion, emotion, hatred or any other word you wish to use to discribe a compulsion. I have little time to waste on the numerous political boards which the others here seem to have an uncontrollable urge to dominate also.
I have no problem battling the many alone, for a while. However, it does seem conservatives spend little time arguing with the like of the vast on-line majority of the "blame everyone and everything else for their miserable life" victims, before they move on to more productive things (like watching paint dry).
I have noticed a strange phenomenon which seems to be a reoccurring motif on-line. Unlike the reality of America’s political divisions, radical liberals seem to dominate the on-line political bulletin boards. Seems the conservatives have better things to do with their time than battle unbalanced hysterical liberals who seem to be unemployed and able to post hatred 24/7.
Jeff, he's so "done with me" that he has an uncontrollable impulse to post to new posters that he's "done posting to me" even while I'm not posting or in the discussion at hand.
Not only that but he's so "done with me" that he wastes his time posting at me, posting about me and responding to my posts by correcting my typos.
Matey, real estate literally went up 40% here at coastal Ca. over the last year. Personally, I think real estate topped out about 2 months ago as interest rates rose. My mail has been looking like this for the last couple of months.
Very limited opportunity to own tall pines.
1 hour from Santa Fe, NM.
Excellent all-weather roads.
Electricity.
12 miles from growing Las Vegas, NM.
Below local market value.
I am Alan Ward. I have spoken with you before regarding land in Arizona.
Our sister company in New Mexico has asked us for help to sell out its Santa Fe Mountain Ranches.
6 parcels available as I write. 140 acres of ponderosa pines from $197,900!
I flew over Tuesday and toured the project. These are my pictures. I have higher resolution pictures if you have high speed internet.
The original intent was to sell the ranch in 35 acre parcels. The county blocked us as a developer after we had purchased the land. Too fast of growth for them. BUT, if you buy, you can divide off one (1) 35 acre parcel per year for re-sell. That’s 4 potential divisions. Currently, 35 acre parcels in the area are going for about $100,000. OR, put your home in the middle of the forest and enjoy the privacy and views. The actor, Patrick Swayze, recently purchased property just down the road.
These should be gone in a couple weeks. If you are interested CALL ME.
Please don’t email a reply. I am in Tucson promoting this project until next Tuesday and can’t email easily. Call me and I will put you in touch with Bill Stanley, the project supervisor over in Las Vegas (New Mexico). He will be the one actually showing the property.
If you have been looking for Ponderosa Pines, this is the best opportunity I have seen. We sold several of thee parcels last week. Please don’t wait.
Alan Ward
877-835-6494
PS
Ruger Ranch Phase 1 (Prescott, AZ) sold out in 6 weeks. Phase 2 should be available in August 2004.
Alan Ward
877-835-6494
rugerranch@cableone.net
Jeff, it ceases to amaze me a poster would post of how he doesn't post to someone.
The attraction of talking to morons online quickly loses it's allure with conservatives. Seems some here have no interest in finding truth instead are simply interested in finding a place to hate and be affirmed for a shared hatred. Guess that's why IHub's political boards are so, unrepresentative of the population, dominated by liberals.
Conservatives come and conservatives go, while morons daily post predictable hatred never questioning it, or it's source, just affirming all who agree while attempting to ostracize those who beg to differ.
Others are beyond stupidly, these intellectual giants spend their time posting of how they don't post to someone.
Jeff, put him on ignore back, he's beyond a moron.
Oh yeah, you just post at me.
I'm very happy to hear that from you.
More writings from one of your favorite sources you cite when you "debate" and get offended when I suggest you and your sources are hateful.
Remember Greg Palast, Greg Palast was the feller you cited when you posted the flat out lie of "the fattened cats at Disney and how they put the kibosh on Michael Moore's new film, “Fahrenheit 9-11"?
Boy the hateful write so similarly.
Ronald Reagan was a conman. Ronald Reagan was a coward. Ronald Reagan was a killer.
Greg Palast
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17066
A forward-looking, postive, faith in America, it's people and it's future. The reason America is great is because great Americans know America is great.
I will leave with the greatest love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future. "I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead."
The proud debate me third person by countering my post of quantifiable jobs numbers just released with her Op-Ed "news" piece from
www.misleader.org
What an objective source. It just never ends, 24/7 of hatred being paramount to facts and trumping truth.
You quoted something the jobs report did not say.
What are you saying, "the last 5% of our working population which are still unemployed are the CEOs and brains of our population"?
Maybe they're working at McDonalds because the other 95 percent of the population isn't?
or
How about the 5% is simply a bunch of angry unemployed Internet surfers who are too busy posting character assassinations 24/7 on the internet to look for work?
Argument, "salaries dropping is Bush's fault",
This place just slays me..
Argument, I shouldn't have to earn my pay, it should be guaranteed forever and it shouldn't be open to the forces of free markets. I should never need to "retool", my pay should be my "entitlement", my check in the mail, even if I don't come to work or make typewriters and they become obsolete. The governemnt "owns" me a check.
Russia and the Eastern Bloc countries are lying to us when they act like they're broke. Capitalism has really failed Western civilization, we should become socialist, communists or work for UBL, Saddam or Moveon.
What I heard in financial college classes during the early eighties, when unemployment was much higher, was unemployment rates in the 5% area are full employment.
I was told any lower unemployment rates would cause wild inflation. The 5% who were not working actually are more in to excuses and pointing fingers than looking for work. They are much happier unemployed/underemployed at home typing hatred and blaming others for their personal failure in not becoming the famous movie star they always believed themself to be.
Regular victacrats, one would be surprised on how small a government check one can live on when your life consists of sitting home making character attacks, all day, every day.
Those jobs are gone, unless we make the best and the cheapest. Americans need to make the best mouse trap every year.
And what kind of washer do you have in your home?
Pull the black cloud right out of the silver lining.
Even when reading something as quantifiable as monthly tracked economic numbers, numbers which have been universally accepted in the financial markets for decades as the yardsticks the country shall use to track employment.
The glass is always half empty while looking at it through hatred lenses.
And the haters ignore today's economic news because it doesn't subscribe to their hatred.
Jobs Growth Unexpectedly Strong in May, Up 248,000
WASHINGTON (June 4) - Employers added an unexpectedly large 248,000 jobs in May, according to a government report on Friday that confirmed a strengthening economy likely to soon bring higher interest rates.
The May tally exceeded Wall Street expectations for 216,000 new jobs and followed an upwardly revised total of 346,000 jobs in April and 353,000 in March. The 947,000 jobs created in the March-May period made it the strongest for any three months in four years.
Sure that's it, Tenet was a "fall guy." The man heading the "Central Intelligence Agency" had no responsibility to know about 911, especially since Clinton appointed him.
The hatred above all logic.
Tenet Resigns as C.I.A. Director; 3 Harsh Reports on Agency Due
By ELISABETH BUMILLER and DOUGLAS JEHL
ASHINGTON, June 3 — George J. Tenet, the besieged director of central intelligence who presided over a major expansion of American spy agencies but also critical intelligence failures, abruptly resigned Thursday.
Both Mr. Tenet and President Bush said the resignation was for personal reasons. But current and former intelligence officials noted that Mr. Tenet was anticipating heavy criticism from three reports expected to assail the agency either over its failure to detect the Sept. 11, 2001, terror plot or the assessments that Iraq possessed unconventional weapons before the American invasion last year.
Most damaging among them is a Senate Intelligence Committee report, due this month, which is expected to single out errors made by the agency in its prewar judgments.
Some Republican senators, including Pat Roberts of Kansas, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, signaled to the administration in the past two weeks that the report's conclusions would be so critical that it would raise questions about who should be held accountable, an official said. Another official said the highly critical nature of the report was widely known at the White House.
Mr. Tenet is to be replaced by his deputy, John McLaughlin, who will serve as acting director. Mr. Bush is unlikely to nominate a permanent successor before the November election, Republicans said, because a confirmation battle this summer would attract more attention to the agency's assessments of Saddam Hussein's weapons.
In another resignation at the C.I.A., a senior intelligence official said Thursday evening that James Pavitt, the head of the agency's clandestine service, is to announce Friday that he is retiring. The retirement of Mr. Pavitt, a C.I.A. veteran whose current title is deputy director of operations, had been planned for some time and had nothing to do with Mr. Tenet's resignation, the agency official said.
Mr. Bush, who had kept up a close bond with his C.I.A. chief through two wars, unrelenting intelligence crises and internecine feuding, announced Mr. Tenet's resignation in a two-minute statement late Thursday morning on the South Lawn of the White House. Moments later, the president departed for a trip to Europe.
"I met with George last night in the White House," Mr. Bush said. "I had a good visit with him. He told me he was resigning for personal reasons. I told him I'm sorry he's leaving. He's done a superb job on behalf of the American people."
Mr. Tenet, in teary remarks to C.I.A. employees at the agency's headquarters in Langley, Va., later in the morning, called his resignation "the most difficult decision I have ever had to make" and added that it was for "the well-being of my wonderful family."
Richard Kerr, a friend of Mr. Tenet's and a former deputy director of central intelligence, said: "He may have believed that he was hurting the president. He's an honorable person, and he may have had that as a consideration."
The two other reports expected soon are from an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, due in late July, and from Mr. Tenet's own weapons hunter in Iraq, Charles Duelfer, who is expected to issue a progress report sometime this summer.
Mr. Tenet said he would step down on July 11, the seventh anniversary of his taking charge, making him the second-longest serving director of central intelligence, behind only Allen W. Dulles, who served eight years and nine months in the 1950's and 60's. Mr. Tenet, a wily, highly political Washington survivor and one of the few holdovers from the Clinton era to serve in a senior position in the Bush administration, had made clear for several years that he was eager to move on.
A number of Mr. Tenet's friends said that despite the looming critical reports, the intelligence director was stepping down for the family reasons he cited and because he was worn out from the relentless pressures of his job since the attacks of Sept. 11. Under Mr. Tenet, the C.I.A. has been the subject of blistering critiques for what its detractors have called the two worst intelligence failures of the last 50 years: not anticipating Sept. 11 and exaggerating the threat of Iraq's unconventional weapons.
"If criticism either actual or anticipated was a factor, he would have left a long time ago," said David Boren, the former Democratic senator from Oklahoma and a mentor to Mr. Tenet who talked to the director on Thursday afternoon. "It's been months of his desiring to leave."
Mr. Tenet had talked so often of leaving, friends said, that last December Mr. Bush personally asked him to stay. Mr. Bush even appealed to Mr. Tenet's wife, Stephanie Glakas-Tenet, telling her that her husband's service was important to the country.
But last weekend, a person familiar with Mr. Tenet's thinking said, the intelligence chief decided during discussions with his wife and high-school-age son that he really was stepping down.
He informed the president in the family quarters of the White House on Wednesday night, when the two men met alone for an hour. Mr. Bush asked Mr. Tenet to stay through the end of the year, the person said, but Mr. Tenet responded that summer was a natural break point and a good time to depart.
The person familiar with Mr. Tenet's thinking insisted that his leaving was not prompted by the coming reports, and that he waited until all the recent hearings on Iraq and Sept. 11 were completed before reopening the question of when he should exit. Mr. Tenet does not deny, the person said, that his relationships with some senior White House advisers have soured, but he likes to say that "there's only one relationship that matters" — the one with the president.
Mr. McLaughlin, a 32-year veteran of the C.I.A., is unlikely to have as chummy a rapport with the president as did Mr. Tenet, who started most mornings in the Oval Office in Mr. Bush's intelligence briefings. Off duty, Mr. Bush and Mr. Tenet had a boisterous relationship, marked by a fondness for sports and what Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida and the former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, referred to as "male talk."
But Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill said that as the criticism over the failure to find unconventional weapons in Iraq mounted, Mr. Tenet was increasingly seen as a political liability for the president, who is facing a tough re-election campaign.
For all of Mr. Bush's closeness to Mr. Tenet, Republicans noted that the president spent only a few minutes praising the man who had been at his side throughout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Vice President Dick Cheney issued a statement saying that he believed Mr. Tenet had done "a superb job," but it was only three sentences long.
"I don't think there are any tears over there," said Senator Richard Shelby, Republican of Alabama, a frequent critic of Mr. Tenet.
Mr. Graham, the former Democratic chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he doubted that Mr. Tenet had departed as willingly as his friends said. "I suspect there was some push out of the office," he said. "This president has been enamored of George Tenet, and has been reluctant to hold him or anyone else accountable, and that failure was becoming a bigger and bigger liability."
In the end, Mr. Graham said, Mr. Bush announced Mr. Tenet's resignation for his own political well-being "under circumstances where he is at the crime scene as short as possible."
The timing of the announcement appeared to take even senior White House officials by surprise. As one recounted the events, Mr. Bush had just walked back into the Oval Office after finishing a morning news conference in the Rose Garden with Prime Minister John Howard of Australia. At that point, Mr. Bush informed a small group in the Oval Office that Mr. Tenet had resigned. The group included Mr. Cheney; Secretary of State Colin L. Powell; Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser; Andrew H. Card Jr., the White House chief of staff; and Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director.
Minutes later, Mr. Bush reappeared on the White House lawn to make the short walk to Marine One, the presidential helicopter. En route, he stopped to make the statement about Mr. Tenet's resignation to a group of reporters.
Mr. Tenet called at least two members of Congress on Thursday morning to inform them of his decision. One was Representative Porter J. Goss, Republican of Florida, the chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, and the other was Senator John Warner, Republican of Virginia, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Both praised Mr. Tenet's performance, and Mr. Warner said that Mr. Tenet put his wife on the phone and that she told him the decision was "predicated on carefully thought-through family considerations." Mr. Warner said that the remark convinced him that Mr. Tenet was leaving of his own volition.
Sheryl Stolberg contributed reporting for this article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/04/politics/04TENE.html?ei=5006&en=71ba78a45d065ad2&ex=108692...
Yup, see my boar I shot it with a 44 mag handgun in a Redwood forest in Sonoma County. Ate it this weekend, everyone loved it, even the kids.
AK, last week Fred and I responded to the daily hatred here with our own (forget the source) search and posting of political hatred. It lost its appeal within an hour.
It's by no coincidence the IHUB political boards are dominated by liberals. Conservatives are far too functional and happy with their life to waste their time online replying to blind liberal hatred, all day, every day.
AK, I like to talk about politics..... my wife, my kids, the desert, hunting, the beach, fishing, the river, concerts, mountians and getting together with family and friends to eat, drink beer and play poker.
Your point?
I go and spend wonderful weekends with my wife and family. I go to the river, the deserts and the beaches. We climb mountains, we go fishing and have big family get togethers and I come back after the weekend to find the same people posting the same hatred here all weekend just as they do on the weekdays.
I've had it with posters here, I will no longer waste my time conversing with anyone who spends their entire internet experience exclusively attacking others, it quickly loses it's allure.
Such obsessive hateful behavior is the truest testament to the darkness of one’s heart, the emptiness of one’s character and one's total failure to find any happiness in life which could enable them to dedicate their passions towards anything positive.
It's sad, today's haters actually think their mindset is the same as the vast majority of Americans when they are simply part of a lonely minority who have no real life, loves or passions. Hence they live their life’s here in a cyber-world receiving the same high from expressing hate as the majority of Americans receive for expressing love and happiness.
Yes it is sad and true, regardless of what the clique of IHUB lonely heart, day late and a dollar short, victims who post here have to say.
obsession
1 orig., the act of an evil spirit in possessing or ruling a person
2 a) the fact or state of being obsessed with an idea, desire, emotion, etc. b) such a persistent idea, desire, emotion, etc., esp. one that cannot be gotten rid of by reasoning
Understand Matey I'm not at all a Prince fan. Yet the next day nearly all the men and women stated it was the "best" performace they have every seen, and these people where between the ages of their early thirties to late fifties.
We were not close, we saw Prince from a box. Prince was on a x shaped stage at Staples center. Prince's saxophone player was a blond woman naded Candy Dulfer. You probably remember hearing about her when she came out in 1991, critics aclaimed her as one of the greatest saxophones players. I had the disk back then and wondered what ever happened to her, guess she's playing sax for Prince now.
Matey, I've seen many of the big ones and many times, Stones, Zep, Who, Madonna, Paul, Bruce, Mac. Elivs is a perfect comparison, Prince plays 8 instruments and exceptional well. Writes all his songs and everyones else's. There were no light shows, no pyrotechnics, no stunts, no jumping off objects or flying through the air on Wednesday night.
He is a world class guitarist who plays guitar like Jimmy Hendricks, Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. He dances better than Michael Jackson, when he dances he spins and pulls his guitar into his body like he does on that Purple Rain video. There was one intermission, he changed one time from a white suit (with fringe) to white button up shirt with poko dots (and fringe) and played the last 45 minutes on a stool with an acoustic guitar. He actually started doing some Elvis and then just stoped, I don't know why. The crowd went crazy.
Prince is in his 40ies, is in great shape (probably weighs a buck o 5) and has obviously been a musical, dance, song writing, guitar playing genus since birth who loves what he's doing. Yes, it was the best ever, he's just like Elvis but has taken care of himself and is genus loving what he does and only doing it better and better with age.
He played blues, jazz everything, I'm sure he'll be in PHX. Take your wife,I guarantee you she will love it, as will you....
And that's a plum fancy double barreled 12 gauge he's a sportin there too.
But he is hunting birds with a scattergun. I can think of alot worse.
Nearly 20 of us went to a Prince concert last night. Never had so many people describe a concert as "the best event they EVER went to".
I go to concerts all the time. I’m not a Prince fan, however last night was the “best” public performance (by any band or performer) I’ll ever seen.
Yeah, da hog came in da mail last week. Crazy world now-a-dazes, space age shit.
Strange, the economy grew at a faster than previously thought 4.4 percent annual rate in the first quarter of this year yet no mention of it from posters who daily talk about how bad the Bush economy is.
I guess the non-haters learned to objectively ignore positive news. How sincere of them.
Go ahead and make a real wager, buy the stock. You won't, and you know why? Because you know buying the stock right now is historically the best time to spike a energy stock at it's high, and you know why?
Because historically oil prices fall after they rise, regardless of whether a Republican or a Democrat wins the presidential election.