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{EDIT>>thanks for making great point!} simply put..some have doubled their money..
simple enough, i think... some have doubled their money...
you state those who benefited are "-my guess,this represents such a minute percentage of those involved in enti"..
yes, that exact percentage of people who DID NOT listen to the death toll for ENTI... worthy of repeating: those who DID NOT listen to the death toll, doubled their money... by not listening to declarations of death by some in marketplace...
simple point, but glad to clarify.
some, who consider their investment in MMX to now be in PTEL (or at least, once divi delivered), are "up" on ENTI..
others, who don't feel that way, don't feel that way...
regardless, many shares bought at 1... and doubling of money occurred.
trading 101: profit? yes. in ENTI..the stock that was never to come off of "no bid".
hope this breakdown of the concepts helped.
what happens down the road? "we'll see"....but the "we'll see" perspective that said ENTI could trade again, was right. the other, never gonna happen perspective, wasn't.
I do not know... what i had said a while back...
was that many consider their costs basis to be in MMX, which is, apparently (once divi hits accounts), PTEL in totality....
so that ENTI is either a super low or "no cost" endeavor...
how high?
don't know... but even the divi news moved this off of no bid..
recall the mistaken talk "billion has be sold to move this off no bid"...that was not insightful of how it trades..any action, corporate action, like this, moves it a tick or two...then flippers come, etc.
some have doubled their money, easily here.
opportunity is there, but never sure... i expect movement a few ticks up when real production of deliverables comes, but can't say where pps will be at that point to start from.
hey rich... you are right that one of the corporate share actions (the forward split, i believe) was in free trading shares...or something to that effect was spoken about..
but not the 1:1 PTEL/ENTI divi...
take care, best of luck trading..
some have realized a doubling of their money already.... in ENTI
something that was never supposed to happen in ENTI again...
we'll see... expect forward movement, scope/scale/impact, "we'll see".
peace
hi rich>....six month restriction....
please clarify how getting a divi, a divi that can't be sold for six months, coinciding with today's / yesterday's pps, is cause for concern?
not the pps alone, if the answer is to be "low pps is bad"...
i'm asking... how does finra approval, and/or divi delivery (with six month restriction from selling) coinciding with a particular pps, have any material connection?
the PR is available about four inches above the top post on this very board...
MusicMatrixCEO Anthony DiBiase
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@EncounterCEO hmmmm, wondering what is NOT going to happen next with ENTI? LOL Keep up the great work Thomas!
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MusicMatrixCEO Anthony DiBiase
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@EncounterCEO hmmmm, wondering what is NOT going to happen next with ENTI? LOL Keep up the great work Thomas!
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hey dave... no "alerts" from etrade or issues signing in...
sounds like you may want to call them tomorrow if you're having issues...
No. I've made clear that the divi was first and foremost an item that was to be accomplished before the business of prize delivery would occur... (prize fulfillment kept me updated).
and i also let the boards, everyone know, that i'd post a picture and update the moment i received the prize....
for folks who are new, or who are geared towards asking again, i entered the first contest for MMX, and won...
i had been practicing editing, on the site, since the beginning, and my work, edits, videos, demonstrate the time and effort put towards learning the tool...
so, you'll know as soon as i know prizes are here!
peace
nah..not close enough apparently... covered, multiple times...
try word searching and finding the info..it's there, even for those who've been watching for a while, it's a good function to help those who have gaps....
that's a bit of a broad characterization...and fails, utterly, to appreciate many of the aspects visible to, many who are not you...
simply put: it's reasonable for investors to feel how they feel about PTEL/MMX/ENTI... and universal declarations made for everyone else are, wrong.
please see harvard's post and mistaken foundation points and my response to gain insight into context of the discussion...
you've missed it, entirely...
quick recap for those still catching up: pps quote was not based on same corporate plans and activities, well into time after those statements..and actually, corrected quite often by mgmt... geez, clear as day...but glad to clarify.
who knows... just saying, could be anything, just can't say today.
take care rf, peace.
no. not a "known" at this point
pps matters...post restriction..for the divi shares..
obviously, current nonrestricted shares, different perspective.
take care
hi rf>> it is 1:1, with conversion post-restriction.
please do a bit of reading on this. clear for ages now
Divi IS 1:1:
Some may have forgotten, or don't understand the Divi:
conversion rate, when PTEL divi shares come off restriction, will have you hold the exact amount of PTEL shares as the number of ENTI shares you held to get the 1:1 divi..
so, yes, it's 1:1 divi... just structure of pref'd restricted has conversion ratio....
prior PRs, podcasts, and information available made this clear a great many times.
had 20 million ENTI? after restriction lifted and tradable, one will have 20 million PTEL shares.
a bit of a narrow and simplistic point IMO...
...the divi delivery is important (if/when shows up in accounts, as indications currently point to it happening)....not only to get the shares into hands, but to allow "next steps" which were likely tied to the divi business being completed..
i would imagine financing, collaborations, deals, etc were somewhat tied to, or awaiting completion of, the divi... (recall the point stressed many times by PTEL CEO >>> having the larger investor / shareholder base allows for other things, greater value, more opportunities, better positioning)...
so, yes, of course having the divi delivered is great for several reasons...not to trade day one, of course... that's plain and simple and not a great insight, IMO... but rather, having this "bit o'business done" may allow some next steps to kick in..
again >>> IMO, the divi delivery is important not only for shareholders sake, for them to have shares... it's valuable to company next steps for other reasons...
EncounterCEO Thomas Hargis
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@MusicMatrixCEO congrats to ENTI shareholders who were at FINRAs mercy on this deal - glad we got it done, finally
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EncounterCEO Thomas Hargis
FINRA approved divi 5min ago, will show up on daily listing today. PR coming with podcast w details. #goenti
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good eye Briggsy...and illfly.
peace all.
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@MusicMatrixCEO congrats to ENTI shareholders who were at FINRAs mercy on this deal - glad we got it done, finally
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Thomas Hargis
EncounterCEO Thomas Hargis
FINRA approved divi 5min ago, will show up on daily listing today. PR coming with podcast w details. #goenti
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good eye Briggsy...and illfly.
peace all.
would be a nice surprise...
but there may not be a "second" one, rather, just removal of the song...
could be a quick bit of fun for CEO playing that song, then removed file...
but guess we'll know if/when next podcast comes tonight or tomorrow, or after that.
take care all, have a great night and week to come.
ptel podcast is "My Way" by Sinatra
ptelcorp.com
humor and/or message, hint at impending corporate action (divi, relaunch), or just a favorite song.. (i lean towards favorite song with underlying reiterating of message "you'll see the relaunch and corp actions in accordance with company plans...not ihub poster/flipper short-term wishes")
"we'll see" seems to be good mindset (for me, not speaking for everyone), facilitating patience and avoids the flip flopping perspectives often seen in the marketplace..
enjoy your sunday everyone..!
peace.
ptel podcast is "My Way" by Sinatra
ptelcorp.com
humor and/or message, hint at impending corporate action (divi, relaunch), or just a favorite song.. (i lean towards favorite song with underlying reiterating of message "you'll see the relaunch and corp actions in accordance with company plans...not ihub poster/flipper short-term wishes")
"we'll see" seems to be good mindset (for me, not speaking for everyone), facilitating patience and avoids the flip flopping perspectives often seen in the marketplace..
enjoy your sunday everyone..!
peace.
Hey sterl...if you check, you'll see that i maintain that line of reasoning (if/when) for long, long time now...and with almost everything...
i have maintained that line, at least in posts here and there, since months ago..
as with most points made, I think it wise to leave open possibilities...and this isn't some new concept introduced recently..
my maintaining an "if/when" mindset, with just about everything, is how i maintain my patience and expectations...and i don't flip around, "lose it", regret taking extreme positions, etc....
good way to go, for me at least.
take care sterl,
mabye...maybe there will be upticks... i'm not trying to establish any certainty, at all with my statements...
i'm not trying to guarantee anything... merely saying, "we'll see"...reasonable, i think...
"are one"? that's not correct... you don't understand the background or underlying technologies, if thinking they "are one".
check around..you'll see why your post is wrong..
simple math... for some...
some will, if even a single tick up occurs, make money...
some will, if more than a few ticks up occurs, make a lot of money..
some consider their entire cost basis to be in PTEL if/when divis delivered... so costs basis, depends on cost basis to acquire the divis...
some are combining enti and ptel and costs basis, and looking to get out even...
some consider time on their side, and are patient, forever..
some are "done"....mentally with caring to watch or believe...
all the above: subjective, not objective...
thus, making, your characterizations for the entire universe of investors, just plain wrong...
take care now, hope some of the resources i outlined help with the request for info
i point to the close to transcription-like nature of naabbs podcast summaries...
not any deeper than that ... thought that was clear, why i presented that particular resource for podcast material...
but glad to clarify.
for newbies, as you had indicated, ... I suggest newbies read the stickie notes, read PRs, listen to all podcasts and read Naabbs great summaries to get caught up and make a decision for yourself..
then balance against what one finds elsewhere, and be responsible for your choices..
independent sources are better sources than materials presented elsewhere, from folks nobody knows...stick with what you can verify..where material is available.
thanks in advance for checking into the introductory material (often helps "newbies" if/when they check that stuff out)....
thanks for that deep and weighty counter-characterization....
a lot to consider, have to get back to you on some of those numerous counterpoints...
i don't tell anyone why they should buy, or not buy....
the question posed isn't something i answer, or push people to address...
i say, "we'll see" how things go, for me, for those who chose to remain, or remain "watching" on hourly/daily basis...
should have been clear by now...
there may be opportunity for folks in any pink.... geez... risky pink market 101.... find opportunity, and play the play..
i'm invested in the PTEL/MMX aspect, and ENTI now is another "we'll see"... time allows, patience "allows".
maybe somebody else will take your question and answer "why to buy?"...
i don't do that thing.
harvard...it's apparent that...
...the requisite fundamental understanding of the landscape isn't there, in your scenario/question/mindset.
the history of initial development, hype (admitted by CEO TD after taking over from prior CEO), vs the steady development and building of the more "real" MMX product... required much expense and time, and effort....
what everyone' crying about (mmx being offline) wouldn't be, anything, if not for that accomplishment list of delivery...
now, adjusted for different revenue stream, "we'll see" how that goes.... and how PPS of PTEL is effected..
simple enough, but simply saying "how goes from .01 to .000X" without presenting, understanding the context, is, problematic and simplistic.
your question and characterizations of the subject companies are....
not really presenting any opportunity to identify and discuss actual "points"...
ENTI / PTEL / MMX material, material, actual discussion points, is what i see adding value to exchanges....
Your timeline is quite different, and understanding of the landscape is quite different...than mine.
i don't live in a moment-in-time mindset, but rather, I "allow".
we'll see how things go... certainly not the end, not new concepts being introduced here by those in marketplace who doubt (ENTI / MMX was declared dead for a year or more now... each time, countered with actual production)...
i'm not setting people's clocks/timelines for them... not reasonable, imo.
I don't know if i agree with you that harvard was subject to influence from a podcast...
harvard had expressed an opinion that prospects, based on things discussed, were a good thing...and of course, anyone/everyone in the marketplace will determine for themselves what they believe/don't from the company..
i think it's reasonable to allow folks to determine for themselves how they accept, process CEO/Company statements.....
hi harv. u should check naabbs summaries to gain insight into the info you've asked for help with...
good summaries of much of info regularly sought
whats the same....colorscheme? font? lol
underlying code? lol tell everyone developing windows apps that they're making Windows over and over.
you missed the point..but please re-read my post...the concepts being discussed were the underlying technology that was the subject of the sale...
and how mmx isn't the "same exact thing" as filmrookie...
a "redirect" to the mmx site while filmrookie wasn't made avail to public doesn't make mmmx=filmrookie, not the "filmrookie" that was subject of the sale...
should be clear enough, but i guess on some level, i can see how some who don't have any info/background on the two would confuse that simple point.
here..i'll simplify to explain the concept of "same", and the "how can they sell?" question that seems to perplex some people:
the platform can be sold, to anyone, anywhere, for anything, and even if same platform, can be sold, to anyone, anywhere, for anything, in fact, to multiple persons, anywhere, for anything...
and it all depends upon the structure of the sale...
exclusive, non-exclusive, etc....
you don't know about these things, but some do... so here's how that works:
first, the products are not the same. when you say "same exact thing", it's just plain false concept. then, when this obvious point is highlighted, you backtracked to talking platforms...
if some of the "parts" that make up the whole are similar, this is QUITE COMMON in code sale/licensing... in fact, most all major developers (Accenture, IBM, etc) will fight for their service contracts to permit them to package up even custom content they create for a company/client (say, Smith Corp), and sell to other companies...
hope this quick, cliffnote version helps clarify the confusion that is repeated here...
yes, exactly the same, except for:
content
music aspect
contest aspect
entire structure and design
audience
social networking aspect
editing within aspect
branding
relationships with third parties, including artists, fans, labels, promotion companies, supporting third parties
integration with third party platforms
...
and about 100 other things..
yes, besides that, they're identical.
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